Dead for Tax Reasons: Well, gramps died a few years back and she didn't know the difference, so it doesn't surprise me she is going for another dead guy

Stiff is good! amirite??

/still not getting any respect...

FriarReb98: That being said... are people that retarded that they don't notice that the demand for illegal mp3 downloads went up because people were looking for a non-Apple solution to the problem of how to get digital music, when it wasn't offered by anyone except Apple at the time?

Way to rewrite history. People were demanding a easy to use and cheap way to buy music. Apple provided it to them. And it paved the way for other popular services like spotify. Demand for illegal downloads went -down- (for music anyways - even with Netflix and iTunes - the video model is still horribly broken).

/never understood the Apple Hateboy (tm)
//I just pat there little heads and send them to the kiddy table for their ice cream

Will Zombie Steve Jobs accept the Grammy. Betcha Kanye doesn't interrupt that.

FriarReb98: That being said... are people that retarded that they don't notice that the demand for illegal mp3 downloads went up because people were looking for a non-Apple solution to the problem of how to get digital music, when it wasn't offered by anyone except Apple at the time?

Were you born last week? Napster was around waaaaaay before iTunes.

(Of course, Shawn Fanning would never get a Grammy since the RIAA hates the guy.)

MrEricSir: FriarReb98: That being said... are people that retarded that they don't notice that the demand for illegal mp3 downloads went up because people were looking for a non-Apple solution to the problem of how to get digital music, when it wasn't offered by anyone except Apple at the time?

Were you born last week? Napster was around waaaaaay before iTunes.

(Of course, Shawn Fanning would never get a Grammy since the RIAA hates the guy.)

y'all are both right. so please get over it. There were lots of ways to get tunes for free and otherwise before I-tunes and the Ipod, but the Ipod and Itunes brought it all to an easy to use package with the Itunes, and the Ipod, and really caught the public's attention.

and I aint defending the douchebag, I'm just pointing it out. the only Ithing I have is a gen1 nano I got years ago as a gift, and I use Ubuntu to put stuff on or off it. I wont ever let I tunes on any of my computers.
hell, I use my android phone for most of media stuff nowadays anyways.

MrEricSir: FriarReb98: That being said... are people that retarded that they don't notice that the demand for illegal mp3 downloads went up because people were looking for a non-Apple solution to the problem of how to get digital music, when it wasn't offered by anyone except Apple at the time?

Were you born last week? Napster was around waaaaaay before iTunes.

(Of course, Shawn Fanning would never get a Grammy since the RIAA hates the guy.)

Oooooooo... SNAP

/Jobs was an admitted IP thief and deserves no respect
//Napster before iTunes, Walkman before iPod, Microsoft Tablet PC before iPad
///Apple invented nothing

Fark Job$. Radical capitalist douchebag. Apple is the evil empire; it is INGSOC now, and its fanbois are jerkoff hipsters who should all be voting Republican if they're so enamored of Job$.

FARK I am so sick and tired of veneration of JOB$. YOU ARE ALL SHEEP. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE SOMA.

Stig O'Tracy: ///Apple invented nothing

The guy had hundreds of patents. Whether you think that's "nothing" is up to you, of course.

fark Apple and its deceased sociopath douchebag leader. The Grammys are supposed to be about music creation, not farking packaging, distribution, and sales models.

The biggest award that man deserves is a corpse-cold-cock punch for making app stores with walled garden software environments the next big thing. With every mobile vendor offering an app store, and the relative cost of operating one minimal, how the HELL do these companies get away with taking a 30% cut. Of software. They. Didn't. Make.

/done ranting now.

It takes a special kind of man to say fark you to the Beatles for 35 years and be honored for doing so by an organization dedicated to protecting the rights of recording artists.

Lexx: The Grammys are supposed to be about music creation, not farking packaging, distribution, and sales models.

No, that's exactly what they're for.

poot_rootbeer: Lexx: The Grammys are supposed to be about music creation, not farking packaging, distribution, and sales models.

No, that's exactly what they're for.

And yet they give awards to performing artists...so where's the disconnect? Is it a big industry circle-jerk where the awards are given out either based on sales or as part of a promotional effort?

bravian: People were demanding a easy to use and cheap way to buy music. Apple provided it to them

In a piece of shiat software package called iTunes. Yeah it was cheap and great if it stop crashing every time you look at it, not to mention a memory hog.

/never understood the Apple Hateboy (tm)
//I just pat there little heads and send them to the kiddy table for their ice cream

Of course you won't...you and other Apple Fanboiz suck on Jobs's knob and would buy a piece of turd if it was wrapped up in Apple casing for $5,000

Stig O'Tracy: MrEricSir: FriarReb98: That being said... are people that retarded that they don't notice that the demand for illegal mp3 downloads went up because people were looking for a non-Apple solution to the problem of how to get digital music, when it wasn't offered by anyone except Apple at the time?

Were you born last week? Napster was around waaaaaay before iTunes.

(Of course, Shawn Fanning would never get a Grammy since the RIAA hates the guy.)

Oooooooo... SNAP

/Jobs was an admitted IP thief and deserves no respect
//Napster before iTunes, Walkman before iPod, Microsoft Tablet PC before iPad
///Apple invented nothing

Then again if there wasn't an Apple there would be no Microsoft. Remember Bill Gates stole his stuff from Apple in the first place. The whole early computing industry was one huge cluster fark. They all stole from each other.

Also if Steve wasn't such an arrogant turd Bill wouldn't have had free access to all of Apple's stuff in the first place.

My thoughts on Steve getting a grammy? WTF for? So now that the guy is dead he's become a hero for the music industry. All because he gave us a new way of buying music? Hell the RIAA didn't even like iTunes in the first place. It cut into their profits and they're just backwards a$$ hats who refuse to go in any new direction anyway. Especially if they think it will cut into their profits. If Apple takes 30% of the profits more power to them. At least it's not going to the farking RIAA. I farking hate those people with the vengeance of an angry god.

Fark You Buddy: In a piece of shiat software package called iTunes.

Name one better complete package for playing and buying music conveniently.

slotz: Fark Job$. Radical capitalist douchebag. Apple is the evil empire; it is INGSOC now, and its fanbois are jerkoff hipsters who should all be voting Republican if they're so enamored of Job$.

FARK I am so sick and tired of veneration of JOB$. YOU ARE ALL SHEEP. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE SOMA.

I applaud you sir. In a thread full of whiny little anti-Apple Hatetards, you made me laugh.

I am loving all of the hate towards Jobs. I was expecting hipsters throwing themselves at the computer screens until they passed out from irony. Not really how that'd work but Jobs was a greedy douche and he was just the poor man's Edison, who everyone knows, was also a douche. that said, i feel bad for his family but everyone has families, and everyone dies. Though most of us give to charity at some point in our lives, which this coont didn't feel the need to. Seriously, what corporation completely shuts down it's philanthropic contributions altogether? Yet these corporations deserve to have the rights of a person? absurd

slotz: Fark Job$. Radical capitalist douchebag. Apple is the evil empire; it is INGSOC now, and its fanbois are jerkoff hipsters who should all be voting Republican if they're so enamored of Job$.

FARK I am so sick and tired of veneration of JOB$. YOU ARE ALL SHEEP. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE SOMA.

0/10

You must be under the weather or something, because that was a pretty bad effort.

The Grammys are the Razzies of music, only they are taken seriously. There is no award more soulless and corrupt. It is a shrine to fools and evil men alike, an idol at which to worship the destruction of human advancement and spirituality. The purest decay of our purest art. If music is the rhythm to which our spirts beats, these awards represent all who wish to silence us forever. If there is a God, may he damn them all along side those that commit genocide and other atrocities against humanity. These are people not worth saving from fire. They are below murders, rapists, and thevies. I'd rather give a billionaire every dollar I had so that he may have nothing more than extra cash that day, than to give a single cent to save someone involved with these awards from starving to death. They are the greatest cultural abominations. They are modern sin in a world without God. They are obscene to even the last ounce of decency within Satan himself. May all of them die alone, terrified, and in agony.

I guess Fraunhofer-Gesellshaft need better PR guys.

Lexx: fark Apple and its deceased sociopath douchebag leader. The Grammys are supposed to be about music creation, not farking packaging, distribution, and sales models.

The biggest award that man deserves is a corpse-cold-cock punch for making app stores with walled garden software environments the next big thing. With every mobile vendor offering an app store, and the relative cost of operating one minimal, how the HELL do these companies get away with taking a 30% cut. Of software. They. Didn't. Make.

/done ranting now.

Apparently you're unaware of the costs of distribution, storage, payment processing, system management, and dozens of other things that they all take care of with that 30%.

Yes, we could all go back to the model where each individual software provider does all that stuff, but having talked with a few people that were in the mobile business at the time before the app stores, > 50% of their gross sales were eaten up in processing and management costs. And this was when these apps were $20-$30 a pop. Now that everyone and their brother expects all software to be either free or 99c, I'd say they're doing quite a damn big service for those of us in the app markets. Other than having actually crashed the market on the price of software.

JosephFinn: Fark You Buddy: In a piece of shiat software package called iTunes.

Name one better complete package for playing and buying music conveniently.

Amazon

nimawai: Then again if there wasn't an Apple there would be no Microsoft. Remember Bill Gates stole his stuff from Apple in the first place.

And Apple stole their stuff from Xerox. Wash.Rinse.Repeat.

ekdikeo4: Lexx: fark Apple and its deceased sociopath douchebag leader. The Grammys are supposed to be about music creation, not farking packaging, distribution, and sales models.

The biggest award that man deserves is a corpse-cold-cock punch for making app stores with walled garden software environments the next big thing. With every mobile vendor offering an app store, and the relative cost of operating one minimal, how the HELL do these companies get away with taking a 30% cut. Of software. They. Didn't. Make.

/done ranting now.

Apparently you're unaware of the costs of distribution, storage, payment processing, system management, and dozens of other things that they all take care of with that 30%.

Yes, we could all go back to the model where each individual software provider does all that stuff, but having talked with a few people that were in the mobile business at the time before the app stores, > 50% of their gross sales were eaten up in processing and management costs. And this was when these apps were $20-$30 a pop. Now that everyone and their brother expects all software to be either free or 99c, I'd say they're doing quite a damn big service for those of us in the app markets. Other than having actually crashed the market on the price of software.

Ah, yes, that other thing Apple's guilty of. Creating an ecosystem which so devalues software that it's flat-out KILLING the handheld game sector. Why buy $15 gameboy games when you can buy the $0.99 games and have just as much fun? I mean hell, it's great news for the 1-5 person dev teams making those shiatty little games, but in the long run it guts the whole industry. The app store was completely unnecessary, and the whole distribution/promotion/sales model was handled much, much better by Steam. fark, the App Store is pretty much Steam anyway.

Farkomatic: nimawai: Then again if there wasn't an Apple there would be no Microsoft. Remember Bill Gates stole his stuff from Apple in the first place.

And Apple stole their stuff from Xerox. Wash.Rinse.Repeat.

Which is why I said the whole thing was a cluster fark & that everyone stole from everyone. One company isn't inherently better than they other. They're both evil. Just one had a leader that was a true a$$ hat. At least the other is trying to do stuff to make the world better and not rolling around in his piles of cash going MINE! MINE! IT'S ALL MINE! Like Scrooge McDuck.

enry: JosephFinn: Fark You Buddy: In a piece of shiat software package called iTunes.

Name one better complete package for playing and buying music conveniently.

Amazon

Really. Last I checked Amazon was a website, not a music player.

JosephFinn: enry: JosephFinn: Fark You Buddy: In a piece of shiat software package called iTunes.

Name one better complete package for playing and buying music conveniently.

Amazon

Really. Last I checked Amazon was a website, not a music player.

Know how I know you haven't been to Amazon on the past 6 months or so?

MrEricSir: Stig O'Tracy: ///Apple invented nothing

The guy had hundreds of patents. Whether you think that's "nothing" is up to you, of course.

Did he? Or did he repackage ideas that someone lower in the Apple hierarchy presented to him and called them his own? (Jobs stealing ideas and calling them his is a well known fact, but I don't know if he patented some of them or not.) Most of Jobs true patents would be design patents, like the famous "rectangular with rounded corners" patent.

Breaking up the Apple thread hijack here...

#1 Rule of the Grammys: Did you die in the last year? You did? Good, here's a Grammy.