You were saving that one up. I know it.

wait, obama agreed to the pipeline clause?
I had a feeling the "House Republicans cave to outside pressure, agree to compromise with Democrats. This is not a repeat from ever " might be a tad premature when I read it yesterday.

relcec: wait, obama agreed to the pipeline clause?


He agreed to wait 60 days before rejecting the project.

Emposter: Boehner not happy about length of extension, but relieved that it's finally out of the spotlight. Though unsure about the extension's ability to perform, Boehner was desperate to avoid the appearance of being dysfunctional.

Hopes the bill will allow Keystone XL to lay some pipe.

Masso: relcec: wait, obama agreed to the pipeline clause?
I had a feeling the "House Republicans cave to outside pressure, agree to compromise with Democrats. This is not a repeat from ever " might be a tad premature when I read it yesterday.

The clause that said he must choose yes or no? That clause?

you really can't tell he doesn't want to have to chose before the election and that's why he delayed the decision until after the presidential election? really?

relcec: Masso: relcec: wait, obama agreed to the pipeline clause?
I had a feeling the "House Republicans cave to outside pressure, agree to compromise with Democrats. This is not a repeat from ever " might be a tad premature when I read it yesterday.

The clause that said he must choose yes or no? That clause?

you really can't tell he doesn't want to have to chose before the election and that's why he delayed the decision until after the presidential election? really?

We're having a presidential election in the next 60 days?

ivan: relcec: wait, obama agreed to the pipeline clause?


He agreed to wait 60 days before rejecting the project.

I'd bet a significant amount of money that he doesn't reject it. if he didn't have a problem with rejecting it he already would have done it. he just wants to wait until after the election to f*ck over the environmental folks.

ivan: relcec: Masso: relcec: wait, obama agreed to the pipeline clause?
I had a feeling the "House Republicans cave to outside pressure, agree to compromise with Democrats. This is not a repeat from ever " might be a tad premature when I read it yesterday.

The clause that said he must choose yes or no? That clause?

you really can't tell he doesn't want to have to chose before the election and that's why he delayed the decision until after the presidential election? really?

We're having a presidential election in the next 60 days?

you're too stupid to even have a conversation with.

relcec: ivan: relcec: Masso: relcec: wait, obama agreed to the pipeline clause?
I had a feeling the "House Republicans cave to outside pressure, agree to compromise with Democrats. This is not a repeat from ever " might be a tad premature when I read it yesterday.

The clause that said he must choose yes or no? That clause?

you really can't tell he doesn't want to have to chose before the election and that's why he delayed the decision until after the presidential election? really?

We're having a presidential election in the next 60 days?

you're too stupid to even have a conversation with.

You're missing the point. The president has to approve or reject the project in the next 60 days. He can't wait until after the election.

If you're saying that he will reject the project in the next 60 days, and then somehow un-reject it after the elections, then say that.

Masso: relcec: ivan: relcec: wait, obama agreed to the pipeline clause?


He agreed to wait 60 days before rejecting the project.

I'd bet a significant amount of money that he doesn't reject it. if he didn't have a problem with rejecting it he already would have done it. he just wants to wait until after the election to f*ck over the environmental folks.

Link

Obama literally CANNOT lose with the oil pipeline thing.

sure he can. he lost today. you can't make both middle and the left happy with this kind of thing. so he didn't want to do anything.

the optimal solution for him was what he originally decided to do, delay the decision until when it no longer mattered and then do something.
being forced to deal with this again in 60 days is not optimal for him. he was put in a worse situation by this legislation.

ivan: relcec: ivan: relcec: Masso: relcec: wait, obama agreed to the pipeline clause?
I had a feeling the "House Republicans cave to outside pressure, agree to compromise with Democrats. This is not a repeat from ever " might be a tad premature when I read it yesterday.

The clause that said he must choose yes or no? That clause?

you really can't tell he doesn't want to have to chose before the election and that's why he delayed the decision until after the presidential election? really?

We're having a presidential election in the next 60 days?

you're too stupid to even have a conversation with.

You're missing the point. The president has to approve or reject the project in the next 60 days. He can't wait until after the election.

If you're saying that he will reject the project in the next 60 days, and then somehow un-reject it after the elections, then say that.

you're on ignore dumbass.

relcec: ivan: relcec: ivan: relcec: Masso: relcec: wait, obama agreed to the pipeline clause?
I had a feeling the "House Republicans cave to outside pressure, agree to compromise with Democrats. This is not a repeat from ever " might be a tad premature when I read it yesterday.

The clause that said he must choose yes or no? That clause?

you really can't tell he doesn't want to have to chose before the election and that's why he delayed the decision until after the presidential election? really?

We're having a presidential election in the next 60 days?

you're too stupid to even have a conversation with.

You're missing the point. The president has to approve or reject the project in the next 60 days. He can't wait until after the election.

If you're saying that he will reject the project in the next 60 days, and then somehow un-reject it after the elections, then say that.

you're on ignore dumbass.

Good, keep your filthy bulging eyes off my words.

relcec: ivan: relcec: ivan: relcec: Masso: relcec: wait, obama agreed to the pipeline clause?
I had a feeling the "House Republicans cave to outside pressure, agree to compromise with Democrats. This is not a repeat from ever " might be a tad premature when I read it yesterday.

The clause that said he must choose yes or no? That clause?

you really can't tell he doesn't want to have to chose before the election and that's why he delayed the decision until after the presidential election? really?

We're having a presidential election in the next 60 days?

you're too stupid to even have a conversation with.

You're missing the point. The president has to approve or reject the project in the next 60 days. He can't wait until after the election.

If you're saying that he will reject the project in the next 60 days, and then somehow un-reject it after the elections, then say that.

you're on ignore dumbass.

Oh, just walk it back. You didn't read it right in the first place and thought he gave in on the pipeline. So much effort to avoid admitting you were wrong.

Masso:
Obama literally CANNOT lose with the oil pipeline thing.

That was a damn good link, thanks for sharing.

I have to concur. The oil pipeline is a strategic, economic and environmental issue.

Strategic in that Canada's oil would come to us. Economic in that it would supply jobs and create a base of jobs. If planned correctly, it can easily avoid contaminating the oil supply.

The fact is this: If Obama can divert the pipeline away from the water supply, that would be a good thing, I don't care who you are. He'd be supporting business , Labor while keeping it all environmentally friendly - which all that environmentalist really ask for.

The over all package though, is that Obma, the Democratic party and the Senators have now finally called Boehner bluff. He's making them look weak in an election period, thus diminishing other times he "caved".

Fact of the matter is, Obma has been feeding them rope the whole time, allowing Republican to hang themselves.

The extension which in other words means that you will pay another $400 to the gooberment for 10 months next year so that the democrats can make political hay.

/takes comfort that my grandmother won't have to eat alpo when SS goes broke quicker

EnviroDude: /takes comfort that my grandmother won't have to eat alpo when SS goes broke quicker

The payroll tax cut borrows from the general fund i.e. income taxes. Same as it did in 2010. The funding of SS is not affected.

Link (new window, .pdf)

Saturn5: MrEricSir: It was pretty funny to watch the Republicans try to say no to a tax cut. Obama is learning to troll.

Yeah. Those evil Republicans passed a 1 year extension of the tax cut, but the Senate said no to that. They wanted only 2 months.
So it was definitely the Republicans saying no to a tax cut.

Obama is a master troll, but he's not trolling the Republicans. He's trolling the voters and you're buying it.

Oh, yes, the bill was just the same except it was for a longer period of time.

/I roiled my eyes so hard I am now staring at the front of my brain.

I'm sick of hearing about the Keystone XL. Just make it an above-ground pipe line, and get on with it.

Darth_Lukecash:
Fact of the matter is, Obma has been feeding them rope the whole time, allowing Republican to hang themselves.

As usual, you're over estimating Obama's political acumen. He had already agreed to the house deal until Senate Democrats decided they wanted to kick it around a little longer but needed to wait until after the holidays to do so. Obama doesn't care about the Environmentalists, it's not like they're going to vote for the Republicans anyway, so he's pretty comfortable, imho, in the notion that he can approve the pipe line, bask in the glow of creating jobs, and doing something about energy independence even if it gives the Republicans a minor win. The problem is, that Boehner didn't handle the messaging right when he first started backing away from the 2 month deal.

So no, Obama wasn't some chess playing political genius who saw this all play out as he had planned, he's a mediocre (at best) politician who was handed a silver platter by someone who really shouldn't be a leader in the opposition party, and probably won't be this time next year.

ultraholland: Emposter: Man, can anyone imagine what politics would be like with single-issue bills and/or line item vetoes?

awesome and effective?

Maybe the single-issue bills but line-item vetoes? (shudder).

MyRandomName: This "tax break" is just the defunding of SS.

Nope. Already covered.