Who would have thought that a governor's popularity would be directly linked to the absurd right-wing legislation they tried to push through in their states?

Please be Nikki Haley. Please be Nikki Haley.

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I am disappoint, GOP. Haley is the obvious VP choice... for the lulz.

Hmm, haven't noticed too much right-wing nuttery out of her around here, and no major scandals or even rumors. Which means no way they'll pick her. Plus, she's got very little experience, even less than Palin did.

qorkfiend: Who would have thought that a governor's popularity would be directly linked to the absurd right-wing legislation they tried to push through in their states?

Ahh Fark, where a balanced budget, moratorium on wasteful spending, limiting executive privilege and kicking out lobbyists are radical right-wing agendas

"Don't know her, but on paper I think she looks very impressive token Hispanic/female," veteran GOP strategist Mike Murphy, a one-time aide to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, told The Daily Caller."

FTFY.

Here, Hispanics, we cool now?

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Martinez has said she has no interest in being the Republican vice presidential candidate in 2012, and an aide to the governor told TheDC that her position wouldn't change.


So she has no interest in being the GOP's token Mexican candidate in their attempt to win over the Hispanic vote after they have done everything in their power to piss off the Hispanic population.

FTFA:
"Will New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez be the next vice president?"

Maybe. But it's growing increasingly likely that the next VP will take office in 2017.

o5iiawah: qorkfiend: Who would have thought that a governor's popularity would be directly linked to the absurd right-wing legislation they tried to push through in their states?

Ahh Fark, where a balanced budget, moratorium on wasteful spending, limiting executive privilege and kicking out lobbyists are radical right-wing agendas

That's what you think is going on in Wisconsin, Ohio, and Florida right now?

Is any thinking person really swayed by VP selection on any ticket? The role of VP is that of an affable buffoon, and if your VP is not an affable buffoon you run into problems. Which is why I think it is more likely that a bad VP choice is more likely to drive away voters than it is to draw moderate voters.

but how dare Obama investigate Sheriff Joe to get hispanic votes

ongbok: FTA
Martinez has said she has no interest in being the Republican vice presidential candidate in 2012, and an aide to the governor told TheDC that her position wouldn't change.


So she has no interest in being the GOP's token Mexican candidate in their attempt to win over the Hispanic vote after they have done everything in their power to piss off the Hispanic population.

Waiting until 2016 is a safer bet anyhow.

Rino

ongbok: FTA
Martinez has said she has no interest in being the Republican vice presidential candidate in 2012, and an aide to the governor told TheDC that her position wouldn't change.


So she has no interest in being the GOP's token Mexican candidate in their attempt to win over the Hispanic vote after they have done everything in their power to piss off the Hispanic population.

Yeah, our repubs here aren't as nutty, and anti-hispanic sentiments really don't go over well.

Egh, she is less douch-baggy than a lot of the current crop of Republicans.

Im not 100% happy with her, but then again, I have been less than impressed with our last few Governors anyways.

She did try to get the asshole who stole my parents insurance money after their house burned down prosecuted... a little... sort of :/

People vote against you if you have a bad VP candidate. People do not vote for you much having a good one.

I find it amusing that candidates for the vice presidency are already being talked about without even knowing who the candidate is. It's almost like the individual candidate has no say in the matter...

Oh. Right.

Mother Theresa wouldn't help any of the front running wingnuts.

She should hold out for 2016; I'm pretty sure Vice-President Biden will be rocking that title for awhile longer.

Why isn't she in the primary.? I actually like her

If she is a reasonable thoughtful governor it seems beyond absurd to think she would cast her lot with the likes of the republican presidential contenders

Spaztictacular: I find it amusing that candidates for the vice presidency are already being talked about without even knowing who the candidate is. It's almost like the individual candidate has no say in the matter...

Oh. Right.

Could be worse. Back in the day it was commonplace to have a VP that you not only didn't choose, but was actually from a different political party, since the office went to the candidate with the second-highest electoral vote total.

Somacandra: FTFA: "What makes Martinez's numbers so noteworthy is that she's doing it as a Republican in a state that voted for Barack Obama by 15 points in 2008 and appears ready to do so again next year," wrote Public Policy Polling, a Democratic-leaning firm, on Wednesday. "In addition to universal support from Republicans, an unusually high 32 percent of Democrats give her good marks and independents approve of her by a 48/38 margin as well."

Wow. If only there was a mainstream political party that was actually looking for a consensus candidate to run for President of the United States.

Won't work out as well as you think.
The liberal reaction (right after they repeat that they are not sexist or racist) will be to helpfully point out that she's a woman, like Sarah Palin, and Hispanic, like those immigrants republicans must hate.
From which the mockery will start eating away at any chance of her being a ticket leader.

Mitts 'n' Tits?

So it's probably going to be Romney and Martinez on the GOP ticket? Talk about putting lipstick on the pig.

qorkfiend: o5iiawah: qorkfiend: Who would have thought that a governor's popularity would be directly linked to the absurd right-wing legislation they tried to push through in their states?

Ahh Fark, where a balanced budget, moratorium on wasteful spending, limiting executive privilege and kicking out lobbyists are radical right-wing agendas

That's what you think is going on in Wisconsin, Ohio, and Florida right now?

No, but from what i've read that is what is going on in NM. Having lived in FL, I can attest that the state was pretty much running out of money and Love or hate Rick scott, he was elected as someone who would run the state as a business and try to make it solvent. This doesn't come without pissing off a bunch of people.

Wisconsin's another ball of wax. Are any elections permanent or can the electorate go back a week later and say: "nahh, we want a re-do" What I have heard is that insurance companies are now having to compete for the Teachers Union business and this has saved the state $600M but who is counting?

On a personal level, I oppose public unions for the simple fact that public employees by nature serve the needs of the electorate. While nobody wants to fire teachers, if the needs of the state or county dictate a reduction in teacher pay or the elimination of state workers, there shouldn't be a union to get in the way. After all, the union derives their income from the taxpayers - who ultimately should have final say in who gets hired/paid

Jacobin: If she is a reasonable thoughtful governor it seems beyond absurd to think she would cast her lot with the likes of the republican presidential contenders

Yep.

Also, if she did throw her lot in with the likes of them, she would get swept out of office for sure the next election.

NM has it's problems, but our R's seem to be a tad more sane and reasonable than what is seen on the national level.

ValisIV: ongbok: FTA
Martinez has said she has no interest in being the Republican vice presidential candidate in 2012, and an aide to the governor told TheDC that her position wouldn't change.


So she has no interest in being the GOP's token Mexican candidate in their attempt to win over the Hispanic vote after they have done everything in their power to piss off the Hispanic population.

Yeah, our repubs here aren't as nutty, and anti-hispanic sentiments really don't go over well.

They might not have gone after Hispanics in New Mexico but if you have been paying attention to the last 3 years in the rest of the country the GOP has gone all out against Hispanics.

ongbok: ValisIV: ongbok: FTA
Martinez has said she has no interest in being the Republican vice presidential candidate in 2012, and an aide to the governor told TheDC that her position wouldn't change.


So she has no interest in being the GOP's token Mexican candidate in their attempt to win over the Hispanic vote after they have done everything in their power to piss off the Hispanic population.

Yeah, our repubs here aren't as nutty, and anti-hispanic sentiments really don't go over well.

They might not have gone after Hispanics in New Mexico but if you have been paying attention to the last 3 years in the rest of the country the GOP has gone all out against Hispanics.

Going after Hispanics in this state is a sure fire way to lose. Because...

1) We have a thriving Hispanic population.
2) New Mexicans pretty much pride ourselves on our mish-mash, inclusive culture

Not to say we don't have the occasional raciest dickbag make some noise, but we, as a state, tend to impliedfacepalm.jpg the crap out of then till they shut the fark up.

Oh thank god it's Martinez. I was worried that Mary Fallin from Oklahoma was the governor. mentioned. Fallin is a almost as log-stupid as Palin.

Isn't she the governor who made news when it was found that, despite being anti-Immigrant and supporting anti-Immigration legislation, her grandparents were in fact illegal immigrants (new window)?

LOL

stiletto_the_wise: Isn't she the governor who made news when it was found that, despite being anti-Immigrant and supporting anti-Immigration legislation, her grandparents were in fact illegal immigrants (new window)?

LOL

Nah, you're thinking of the other Governor of New Mexico, whose grandparents followed acceptable immigration practices of the early 1900s.. I've included a linky to the radically right wing news source where I got this information

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/14/susana-martinez-new-mexico-g o vernor-undocumented-immigrants_n_1093251.html

Bird3149: Oh thank god it's Martinez. I was worried that Mary Fallin from Oklahoma was the governor. mentioned. Fallin is a almost as log-stupid as Palin.

But with Failin' as VP candidate, the lulz would be endless.

Need Help Soonish: ongbok: ValisIV: ongbok: FTA
Martinez has said she has no interest in being the Republican vice presidential candidate in 2012, and an aide to the governor told TheDC that her position wouldn't change.


So she has no interest in being the GOP's token Mexican candidate in their attempt to win over the Hispanic vote after they have done everything in their power to piss off the Hispanic population.

Yeah, our repubs here aren't as nutty, and anti-hispanic sentiments really don't go over well.

They might not have gone after Hispanics in New Mexico but if you have been paying attention to the last 3 years in the rest of the country the GOP has gone all out against Hispanics.

Going after Hispanics in this state is a sure fire way to lose. Because...

1) We have a thriving Hispanic population.
2) New Mexicans pretty much pride ourselves on our mish-mash, inclusive culture

Not to say we don't have the occasional raciest dickbag make some noise, but we, as a state, tend to impliedfacepalm.jpg the crap out of then till they shut the fark up.

Right, that's what I was saying, the national anti-hispanic actions of the republicans don't fly well in NM. I said here, meaning NM, cause I'm in ABQ. mea culpa.

stiletto_the_wise: Isn't she the governor who made news when it was found that, despite being anti-Immigrant and supporting anti-Immigration legislation, her grandparents were in fact illegal immigrants (new window)?

LOL

Now that's a quagmire.

Just on that alone she would get picked apart in an debate and lose Hispanic support.

So we're discussing possible VP candidates when the GOP challengers have yet to even reach the end of the primaries?

o5iiawah: qorkfiend: o5iiawah: qorkfiend: Who would have thought that a governor's popularity would be directly linked to the absurd right-wing legislation they tried to push through in their states?

Ahh Fark, where a balanced budget, moratorium on wasteful spending, limiting executive privilege and kicking out lobbyists are radical right-wing agendas

That's what you think is going on in Wisconsin, Ohio, and Florida right now?

No, but from what i've read that is what is going on in NM. Having lived in FL, I can attest that the state was pretty much running out of money and Love or hate Rick scott, he was elected as someone who would run the state as a business and try to make it solvent. This doesn't come without pissing off a bunch of people.

Wisconsin's another ball of wax. Are any elections permanent or can the electorate go back a week later and say: "nahh, we want a re-do" What I have heard is that insurance companies are now having to compete for the Teachers Union business and this has saved the state $600M but who is counting?

On a personal level, I oppose public unions for the simple fact that public employees by nature serve the needs of the electorate. While nobody wants to fire teachers, if the needs of the state or county dictate a reduction in teacher pay or the elimination of state workers, there shouldn't be a union to get in the way. After all, the union derives their income from the taxpayers - who ultimately should have final say in who gets hired/paid

That would be my point; Gov. Martinez hasn't tried to push through a radical right-wing agenda like in Wisconsin, Ohio, or Florida, and thus her popularity has not suffered accordingly.

Why wouldn't the people be allowed to take advantage of a provision to re-try an election?

No, that's what elected representatives are for in a republic; the taxpayers rarely have final say over anything. The union gets its money from its members, who just happen to be paid by the taxpayers since they're public employees. Why should being a public employee remove your right to freely associate?

ongbok: FTA
Martinez has said she has no interest in being the Republican vice presidential candidate in 2012, and an aide to the governor told TheDC that her position wouldn't change.


So she has no interest in being the GOP's token Mexican candidate in their attempt to win over the Hispanic vote after they have done everything in their power to piss off the Hispanic population.

It's amazing how angry liberals get when a minority is a member of the GOP. Just utterly amazing.

ValisIV: Need Help Soonish: ongbok: ValisIV: ongbok: FTA
Martinez has said she has no interest in being the Republican vice presidential candidate in 2012, and an aide to the governor told TheDC that her position wouldn't change.


So she has no interest in being the GOP's token Mexican candidate in their attempt to win over the Hispanic vote after they have done everything in their power to piss off the Hispanic population.

Yeah, our repubs here aren't as nutty, and anti-hispanic sentiments really don't go over well.

They might not have gone after Hispanics in New Mexico but if you have been paying attention to the last 3 years in the rest of the country the GOP has gone all out against Hispanics.

Going after Hispanics in this state is a sure fire way to lose. Because...

1) We have a thriving Hispanic population.
2) New Mexicans pretty much pride ourselves on our mish-mash, inclusive culture

Not to say we don't have the occasional raciest dickbag make some noise, but we, as a state, tend to impliedfacepalm.jpg the crap out of then till they shut the fark up.

Right, that's what I was saying, the national anti-hispanic actions of the republicans don't fly well in NM. I said here, meaning NM, cause I'm in ABQ. mea culpa.

Yea, I figured ;) ... I was just trying to explain to the other dude why a NM R wouldn't touch the national R's with a 10 foot pole right now.

Martinez would be signing her political death warrant in this state if she did.

///Roswell here... How are the cold fingers of Winter treating you guys up there?
///We got SNOW!!!! Whoohoo!

o5iiawah: stiletto_the_wise: Isn't she the governor who made news when it was found that, despite being anti-Immigrant and supporting anti-Immigration legislation, her grandparents were in fact illegal immigrants (new window)?

LOL

Nah, you're thinking of the other Governor of New Mexico, whose grandparents followed acceptable immigration practices of the early 1900s.. I've included a linky to the radically right wing news source where I got this information

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/14/susana-martinez-new-mexico-g o vernor-undocumented-immigrants_n_1093251.html

Wow that is some hellified spin they put on that.

Anyway he was still an illegal. From what she says he had permits to cross the border but he didn't have a permit to set up shop as a citizen. It is like saying that somebody here on a work visa or student visa is a citizen. Bottom line is that he came into the country on a permit and stayed illegally. And trust me in the 30's the US was rounding up illegals and sending them back across the border, enforcement may have been sparse in New Mexico, but that doesn't make what he did an "acceptable immigration" practice.

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///Roswell here... How are the cold fingers of Winter treating you guys up there?
///We got SNOW!!!! Whoohoo!

We have been getting hit on and off for the past week, some places in the city got a few inches, and others got none, it's very strange. Usually the east side gets it bad because of the Sandias, and the mountain is beautifully covered. More snow than I've seen around here in many years though!

MyRandomName: ongbok: FTA
Martinez has said she has no interest in being the Republican vice presidential candidate in 2012, and an aide to the governor told TheDC that her position wouldn't change.


So she has no interest in being the GOP's token Mexican candidate in their attempt to win over the Hispanic vote after they have done everything in their power to piss off the Hispanic population.

It's amazing how angry liberals get when a minority is a member of the GOP. Just utterly amazing.

Ummm no.

New Mexico's R's tend to be of the "Not a complete raciest dickwad" variety, and they are smart enough not to throw their lot in with the ones that are.

What he was saying is just the simple truth... She is smart enough to stay away from the GOP's far right* because she knows they are just pandering for the Hispanic vote. To a NM R, that's a line best not crossed.

* this statement useful only when talking about local, and state politicians, on a national level, your use may vary.

ValisIV: Need Help Soonish:

///Roswell here... How are the cold fingers of Winter treating you guys up there?
///We got SNOW!!!! Whoohoo!

We have been getting hit on and off for the past week, some places in the city got a few inches, and others got none, it's very strange. Usually the east side gets it bad because of the Sandias, and the mountain is beautifully covered. More snow than I've seen around here in many years though!

We got a few inches last night, and it is still snowing a little today... It's just flat out beautiful down here :)

Going to be the first white xmas around these parts in forever :)

///Nm ROCKS :)

qorkfiend: Why should being a public employee remove your right to freely associate?


I cannot, as a citizen withdraw my obligation to pay the salary of a public employee. I should at least have a vote or be able to pressure my representative into making budget or staffing adjustments based on what I feel are matters important to my community.

Need Help Soonish: ValisIV: Need Help Soonish:

///Roswell here... How are the cold fingers of Winter treating you guys up there?
///We got SNOW!!!! Whoohoo!

We have been getting hit on and off for the past week, some places in the city got a few inches, and others got none, it's very strange. Usually the east side gets it bad because of the Sandias, and the mountain is beautifully covered. More snow than I've seen around here in many years though!

We got a few inches last night, and it is still snowing a little today... It's just flat out beautiful down here :)

Going to be the first white xmas around these parts in forever :)

///Nm ROCKS :)

I concur. I didn't like it as much growing up, but now that I've been around elsewhere, I love the place. Glad to hear you get a white xmas!

/end threadjack

ongbok: o5iiawah: stiletto_the_wise: Isn't she the governor who made news when it was found that, despite being anti-Immigrant and supporting anti-Immigration legislation, her grandparents were in fact illegal immigrants (new window)?

LOL

Nah, you're thinking of the other Governor of New Mexico, whose grandparents followed acceptable immigration practices of the early 1900s.. I've included a linky to the radically right wing news source where I got this information

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/14/susana-martinez-new-mexico-g o vernor-undocumented-immigrants_n_1093251.html

Wow that is some hellified spin they put on that.

Anyway he was still an illegal. From what she says he had permits to cross the border but he didn't have a permit to set up shop as a citizen. It is like saying that somebody here on a work visa or student visa is a citizen. Bottom line is that he came into the country on a permit and stayed illegally. And trust me in the 30's the US was rounding up illegals and sending them back across the border, enforcement may have been sparse in New Mexico, but that doesn't make what he did an "acceptable immigration" practice.

Yes, hellified spin from the Huff Post defending a Republican. I'll save that one in the bank for later. Regardless, I dont think any of us in here are in a position to comment on early 1900's US immigration policy or what we claim to know about it.