You'll be seeing this quote attached to ads running against every teabagger in the House, and a number of Senators before you can take the Christmas tree down.

See what happens when a politician slips up and speaks the truth?


/this free to the DNC ad written and paid for by John Boehner

this is so full of win.
I wonder what will happen when the teahadist voters hear this speech.
Will fox even run it??

lol

namatad: this is so full of win.
I wonder what will happen when the teahadist voters hear this speech.
Will fox even run it??

lol

They didn't. While all other channels were running this, Fox was running a segment on why the Chevy Volt is a waste of money. (no, I'm not kidding either)

Grand_Moff_Joseph: They didn't. While all other channels were running this, Fox was running a segment on why the Chevy Volt is a waste of money. (no, I'm not kidding either)

you know, I was just kidding. and now I cant stop laughing.

Do fox viewers realize that their view of the world is distorted??
I dont like fox viewers, but I read and watch a bit of fox to see what the other side is thinking and saying.
I try to listen to both sides of any story, position, debate, thingy.
But to pretend that the other side is wrong without even making a tiny effort to understand???

namatad: Grand_Moff_Joseph: They didn't. While all other channels were running this, Fox was running a segment on why the Chevy Volt is a waste of money. (no, I'm not kidding either)

you know, I was just kidding. and now I cant stop laughing.

Do fox viewers realize that their view of the world is distorted??
I dont like fox viewers, but I read and watch a bit of fox to see what the other side is thinking and saying.
I try to listen to both sides of any story, position, debate, thingy.
But to pretend that the other side is wrong without even making a tiny effort to understand???

I applaud you for making an effort to look at both sides of the issue, and for the intestinal fortitude you must have to stand even turning Fox on. :)

fwiw, I feel you'll get a slightly more rational look at the other side by keeping up with National Review Online, as well as David Frum's blog.

namatad: Do fox viewers realize that their view of the world is distorted??

That's like asking if North Koreans know the rest of the world has passed them by. No, they don't, because their only source of information will never, ever tell them that.

Grand_Moff_Joseph: fwiw, I feel you'll get a slightly more rational look at the other side by keeping up with National Review Online,

Dedicated to "Opposing the Obama Administration at Every Level", or so says a robodialer for them trying to get money out of me.

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I applaud you for making an effort to look at both sides of the issue, and for the intestinal fortitude you must have to stand even turning Fox on. :)

fwiw, I feel you'll get a slightly more rational look at the other side by keeping up with National Review Online, as well as David Frum's blog.

sure, but the goal is to see what other people are complaining about. to see the truly absurd. to watch what they are doing so that we can be informed.

Just another sign that the entire Republican platform has become ZOMG WE HATE FARTBONGO

Republican politics hurts the economy and is wrong for America.

never thought I'd live to see the day

Grand_Moff_Joseph: fwiw, I feel you'll get a slightly more rational look at the other side by keeping up with National Review Online, as well as David Frum's blog.

Pffft. That apostate? He doesn't represent the modern Republican party. He's far too sensible.

It doesn't matter.

Boehner could come out and implicitly say he was in support of legislation that would specifically ass-fark every GOP voter until they bled to death, and those stupid farks would STILL vote a straight GOP ticket in every election, because Obama.

Boehner blinked.

Of course Boehner won't be Speaker next term, but I suspect he won't even be able to keep Minority Leader.

unyon: Grand_Moff_Joseph: fwiw, I feel you'll get a slightly more rational look at the other side by keeping up with National Review Online, as well as David Frum's blog.

Pffft. That apostate? He doesn't represent the modern Republican party. He's far too sensible.

Which is exactly why he's worth reading. He represents the pre-Gingrich GOP - party that knew how to be effective but sensible opposition, and knew when and how to strike a deal and move on. Frum's not always right (imo), but at least makes cogent arguments and backs them up with something other than derp.

Grand_Moff_Joseph: unyon: Grand_Moff_Joseph: fwiw, I feel you'll get a slightly more rational look at the other side by keeping up with National Review Online, as well as David Frum's blog.

Pffft. That apostate? He doesn't represent the modern Republican party. He's far too sensible.

Which is exactly why he's worth reading. He represents the pre-Gingrich GOP - party that knew how to be effective but sensible opposition, and knew when and how to strike a deal and move on. Frum's not always right (imo), but at least makes cogent arguments and backs them up with something other than derp.

I would like to find the person who started this whole "the only way to get elected is to vilify the other party" concept.
I get that people disagree, but the idea that the other view is pure evil and must be stomped out as a campaign strategy?
sigh

When did it become bad to be educated?
When did it become wrong to not believe in god?
When did it become wrong to not want to have the government help the people who are at the bottom of the pile?
When did it become wrong to want to pay for our wars?
When did greed become good?

oh never mind, I guess we know when that happened
/the only hope is that the pendulum swings to the left a bit longer before swinging back to the right. not sure we can stomach another 4/8 years of GOP rule .... we still havent recovered from the last 8 years.

Grand_Moff_Joseph: unyon: Grand_Moff_Joseph: fwiw, I feel you'll get a slightly more rational look at the other side by keeping up with National Review Online, as well as David Frum's blog.

Pffft. That apostate? He doesn't represent the modern Republican party. He's far too sensible.

Which is exactly why he's worth reading. He represents the pre-Gingrich GOP - party that knew how to be effective but sensible opposition, and knew when and how to strike a deal and move on. Frum's not always right (imo), but at least makes cogent arguments and backs them up with something other than derp.

Frum used to have a regular segment on a public radio show called Marketplace, but stopped a while back and said something along the lines of "I don't think I can adequately represent the current conservative movement."

Here's a transcript (new window), and I think there's audio somewhere on that page.

Here's part of it:

And although I consider myself a conservative and a Republican, and I think that the right-hand side of the spectrum has the better answers for the long-term growth of economy -- low taxes, restrained government, less regulation -- it's pretty clear that facing the immediate crisis -- very intense crisis -- I'm just not representing the view of most people who call themselves Republicans and conservatives these days.

It's a decent read.

Also, I disagree with your statement that "He represents the pre-Gingrich GOP". While he's more classically conservative, I wouldn't use the term "pre-Gingrich". Maybe pre-Reagan or even pre-Nixon in terms of his personal positions.

Sid_6.7: Grand_Moff_Joseph: unyon: Grand_Moff_Joseph: fwiw, I feel you'll get a slightly more rational look at the other side by keeping up with National Review Online, as well as David Frum's blog.

Pffft. That apostate? He doesn't represent the modern Republican party. He's far too sensible.

Which is exactly why he's worth reading. He represents the pre-Gingrich GOP - party that knew how to be effective but sensible opposition, and knew when and how to strike a deal and move on. Frum's not always right (imo), but at least makes cogent arguments and backs them up with something other than derp.

Frum used to have a regular segment on a public radio show called Marketplace, but stopped a while back and said something along the lines of "I don't think I can adequately represent the current conservative movement."

Here's a transcript (new window), and I think there's audio somewhere on that page.

Here's part of it:

And although I consider myself a conservative and a Republican, and I think that the right-hand side of the spectrum has the better answers for the long-term growth of economy -- low taxes, restrained government, less regulation -- it's pretty clear that facing the immediate crisis -- very intense crisis -- I'm just not representing the view of most people who call themselves Republicans and conservatives these days.

It's a decent read.

Also, I disagree with your statement that "He represents the pre-Gingrich GOP". While he's more classically conservative, I wouldn't use the term "pre-Gingrich". Maybe pre-Reagan or even pre-Nixon in terms of his personal positions.

I'm also a big fan of Frum, but my go-to conservative is Andrew Sullivan. I frequently disagree with him, but I find that his BS meter for both sides is accurate and biting. I think it's safe to say that I've become much more fiscally conservative since I began reading him regularly.

The biggest mistake anyone can make in regard to their own political thought process is to hang out inside the Daily Kos-MSNBC / Fox News - Free Republic bubble. Go out, find some smart people who disagree with you, and argue with them. Arguing with morons does you (and them) no good.

Sid_6.7: Grand_Moff_Joseph: unyon: Grand_Moff_Joseph: fwiw, I feel you'll get a slightly more rational look at the other side by keeping up with National Review Online, as well as David Frum's blog.

Pffft. That apostate? He doesn't represent the modern Republican party. He's far too sensible.

Which is exactly why he's worth reading. He represents the pre-Gingrich GOP - party that knew how to be effective but sensible opposition, and knew when and how to strike a deal and move on. Frum's not always right (imo), but at least makes cogent arguments and backs them up with something other than derp.

Frum used to have a regular segment on a public radio show called Marketplace, but stopped a while back and said something along the lines of "I don't think I can adequately represent the current conservative movement."

Here's a transcript (new window), and I think there's audio somewhere on that page.

Here's part of it:

And although I consider myself a conservative and a Republican, and I think that the right-hand side of the spectrum has the better answers for the long-term growth of economy -- low taxes, restrained government, less regulation -- it's pretty clear that facing the immediate crisis -- very intense crisis -- I'm just not representing the view of most people who call themselves Republicans and conservatives these days.

It's a decent read.

Also, I disagree with your statement that "He represents the pre-Gingrich GOP". While he's more classically conservative, I wouldn't use the term "pre-Gingrich". Maybe pre-Reagan or even pre-Nixon in terms of his personal positions.

That's a valid point. I use the term 'Pre-Gingrich' as I was too young to really remember the Reagan years, per se. That said though, comparing to the pre-Nixon/Reagan years is likely a better metric to use.

Humean_Nature: The biggest mistake anyone can make in regard to their own political thought process is to hang out inside the Daily Kos-MSNBC / Fox News - Free Republic bubble. Go out, find some smart people who disagree with you, and argue with them. Arguing with morons does you (and them) no good.

I agree 100% - check out other sources of information on all sides of the debate and get informed. :)

That said, MSNBC's First Read blog is pretty good with keeping up to the minute on political headlines, and Chuck Todd and staff do run their comments mostly down the middle. And while there are plenty of derpy folks on DKos, there are some great writers on there. Sites like that are also a good place to find cross-posts of other stories that usually fly under the radar.

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I agree 100% - check out other sources of information on all sides of the debate and get informed. :)

That said, MSNBC's First Read blog is pretty good with keeping up to the minute on political headlines, and Chuck Todd and staff do run their comments mostly down the middle. And while there are plenty of derpy folks on DKos, there are some great writers on there. Sites like that are also a good place to find cross-posts of other stories that usually fly under the radar.

True! I also like Shep Smith at Fox News, as he minimizes the herpa derp most of the time. I think the echo chamber is the first step to dehumanizing the opposition, a process that usually ends with a statement like "THOSE people hate America!"

Humean_Nature: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I agree 100% - check out other sources of information on all sides of the debate and get informed. :)

That said, MSNBC's First Read blog is pretty good with keeping up to the minute on political headlines, and Chuck Todd and staff do run their comments mostly down the middle. And while there are plenty of derpy folks on DKos, there are some great writers on there. Sites like that are also a good place to find cross-posts of other stories that usually fly under the radar.

True! I also like Shep Smith at Fox News, as he minimizes the herpa derp most of the time. I think the echo chamber is the first step to dehumanizing the opposition, a process that usually ends with a statement like "THOSE people hate America!"

I still don't understand why Shep continues to beat his head against a wall over there. Nor do I understand how he is still employed there, due to his habit of throwing some cold water on the more lunatic tin foil wearers who share screen time with him.

For the first time since being the Speaker, Boehner told his GOP ranks what to do without discussion. Has he finally retaken the asylum back from the inmates? We will see. I guess the needs of an imminent election season are not lost on him. Maybe adding the middle class to the ever growing list of demographics that now despise anything GOP would be a bad move. Go figure.

Saiga410: So

What is right: Give the american people a payroll tax cut
What the repubs wanted: Differing funding mechanisms and a longer period

Not mutually exclusive.

You're hilarious. Really. Nothing about the pipeline?

Saiga410: It is in the law Boehner is telling them to sign. I listed out the grevances the house repubs publicly had with the bill.

Then why didn't the House Republicans pass the 1yr extension? Because socialism? Because Obama? Which is it? They had a chance to do that, you know. But they didn't, because it didn't contain the pipeline.

Saiga410: It also contained the surtax. The repubs wanted a differing funding source. As stated in my initial post.

Ah, so the Republicans put tax cuts for the middle class in jeopardy because they didn't want to raise taxes on the wealthiest 1%. Such great leadership.

Saiga410: cameroncrazy1984: Saiga410: It also contained the surtax. The repubs wanted a differing funding source. As stated in my initial post.

Ah, so the Republicans put tax cuts for the middle class in jeopardy because they didn't want to raise taxes on the wealthiest 1%. Such great leadership.

And I would say that the dems put tax cuts for the middle class in jeopardy because they didn't want to raise the medicare premiums of rich people.

Or because they didn't want the irrelevant pipeline, which is the correct answer. Also in that bill was a provision to block an EPA requirement limiting toxic emissions from industrial boilers. What those two things have to do with tax cuts, I have NO idea.

This picture is the visual equivalent of the "sad trombone" musical sting-and it warms the cockles...the cockles I say!, of my heart:

Saiga410: They could have just stripped out those two and pass it back to the house

You mean like the original bill before the riders were added? Why not just vote on that one as it was the first time around?

We can go back and forth on this all day. The reality is, the GOP farked up. They activly obstructed a bill that was designed to keep taxes from going up, something they "pledged" never to do. Not only that, they did it during the Christmas season leading up to an election year. That is just bad politics any way you shake it. If you think this can be spun in a positive light for the GOP you need to stop watching so much Faux News.