an illegal firearm? that should be the only legal necessity.

Disapproves

fredsnake: an illegal firearm? that should be the only legal necessity.

Illegal because he's on probation for drug offenses. The state valiantly protected us from a stoner.

Personally I wonder why they bother with the distinction for firearms. All the legal ones are registered and all the illegal ones are hidden.

/most of the time...

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Well, best to be upfront about it and tell them you're carrying (even if you're not allowed to) than having Officer Friendly mistakenly think you're about to draw on him and he fills you with .40 holes.

Damn you, mcsestretch!

/great minds think alike

Alrighty then.

I have hopes that some of the Farkers who were out here defending the logic of allowing felons to regain the right to own guns will stop by to defend this nice young man.

admiral_neckbeard: Well, best to be upfront about it and tell them you're carrying (even if you're not allowed to) than having Officer Friendly mistakenly think you're about to draw on him and he fills you with .40 holes.

This, I thought this was how the story was going to end anyway when I clicked on the article

TFA: The pistol on his hip was loaded with one cartridge in the chamber and six more in the magazine, records state.

What's this? Proper firearms nomenclature used by a reporter? I think I may cry. *sniff*

Also, this is why you use a good holster with a proper gun belt. It is ever so much more comfortable.

admiral_neckbeard: Well, best to be upfront about it and tell them you're carrying (even if you're not allowed to) than having Officer Friendly mistakenly think you're about to draw on him and he fills you with .40 holes.

You may be right. He knew he was busted so he was just trying to make the situation as minimally shooty as possible.

admiral_neckbeard: Well, best to be upfront about it and tell them you're carrying (even if you're not allowed to) than having Officer Friendly mistakenly think you're about to draw on him and he fills you with .40 holes.

I once got stopped by a police officer for speeding and when he approached the window I was sitting there with my hands clasped firmly to the steering wheel. He immediately asked what was wrong and I told him I had a gun in the back seat (under a towel). He then asked if I had any more in the car, asked me to step out, and inspected the gun. It was a rifle that I legally owned at the time and there was no problem because of it. But, better to let him know up front that I had a gun.

monoski: I have hopes that some of the Farkers who were out here defending the logic of allowing felons to regain the right to own guns will stop by to defend this nice young man.

Or even be able to let them have any kind of job or income, period. I'm all for disarming them, but forcing them into the street and starving them should be law. I've always thought justice should be hilarious, too.

monoski: I have hopes that some of the Farkers who were out here defending the logic of allowing felons to regain the right to own guns will stop by to defend this nice young man.

I don't have a problem with non-violent offenders having their rights reinstated, and I think the war on drugs is bullshiat. However, without more information on exactly what his crimes were, it's hard to say either way.

Fish in a Barrel: as minimally shooty as possible

I may have to steal that phrase.

Fish in a Barrel:
I don't have a problem with non-violent offenders having their rights reinstated, and I think the war on drugs is bullshiat. However, without more information on exactly what his crimes were, it's hard to say either way.

Yea I'm surprised the types of crimes that can prohibit you from owning a gun forever. Caught with a few E pills when you were younger? Forget ever owning a gun again.

As a liberal with a concealed carry permit, it's a good idea to let the officer that has pulled you over that you are, indeed, packing.

I do support the return of the 2nd Amendment right to committers of *NON-VIOLENT* crimes.

booksmart: As a liberal with a concealed carry permit, it's a good idea to let the officer that has pulled you over that you are, indeed, packing.

I do support the return of the 2nd Amendment right to committers of *NON-VIOLENT* crimes.

FWIW, I disagree. Unless the gun is going to become an issue (is visible, or you are asked to step out of the car) I would never mention that I had a gun. If it is in fact a routine traffic stop (speeding etc.) then why are you adding "hey I'm packing" to the mix. Hands on top of the wheel, yes sir, no sir, sorry sir, and then go on your way.

Dimensio: way south: All the legal ones are registered and all the illegal ones are hidden.

I own several firearms. None are registered, yet my possession violates neither state nor federal law.

Are you in FL? That is the way it is here. The only way the state knows that you have a gun is if you get caught committing a crime with it. The only way that they know that you may have a gun is if you apply for a CCW permit.

/as for the guy in the article he is a dumbass for possessing a gun as felon, but smart for being up front about it rather than potentially eating some lead
//if you get pulled over and have a gun, always tell the cops first legal or not

Antidote for boring gun discussion:

Igor Jakovsky: Are you in FL? That is the way it is here. The only way the state knows that you have a gun is if you get caught committing a crime with it. The only way that they know that you may have a gun is if you apply for a CCW permit.

Despite common conception, that's the norm in the US, not the exception. Only a few states have gun registries.

Dimensio: way south: All the legal ones are registered and all the illegal ones are hidden.

I own several firearms. None are registered, yet my possession violates neither state nor federal law.

Not until you commit a non violent crime that runs afoul of federal law.

/although it's my bad for forgetting that they don't have registration on the mainland.

The .380-caliber pistol was the latest in a series of weapons confiscated as a result of the city's Tactical Anti-Crime units' strict enforcement of traffic laws.

Otherwise known as the Supreme Court-approved violation of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution

Lsherm: The .380-caliber pistol was the latest in a series of weapons confiscated as a result of the city's Tactical Anti-Crime units' strict enforcement of traffic laws.

Otherwise known as the Supreme Court-approved violation of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution

The man admitted he had a gun. How is that a violation of the 4th? Or are you asserting that enforcing the law is somehow unconstitutional?

Mock26: Lsherm: The .380-caliber pistol was the latest in a series of weapons confiscated as a result of the city's Tactical Anti-Crime units' strict enforcement of traffic laws.

Otherwise known as the Supreme Court-approved violation of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution

The man admitted he had a gun. How is that a violation of the 4th? Or are you asserting that enforcing the law is somehow unconstitutional?

I believe he is referring to Terry stops in general.

Fish in a Barrel: Mock26: Lsherm: The .380-caliber pistol was the latest in a series of weapons confiscated as a result of the city's Tactical Anti-Crime units' strict enforcement of traffic laws.

Otherwise known as the Supreme Court-approved violation of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution

The man admitted he had a gun. How is that a violation of the 4th? Or are you asserting that enforcing the law is somehow unconstitutional?

I believe he is referring to Terry stops in general.

From what I read in the article it did not sound like a Terry stop. The article clearly states that the man did not come to a complete stop at an intersection, and that is why they pulled him over. If they are going for a strict enforcement of traffic laws then that sounds OK to me.

DoctorOfLove: booksmart: As a liberal with a concealed carry permit, it's a good idea to let the officer that has pulled you over that you are, indeed, packing.

I do support the return of the 2nd Amendment right to committers of *NON-VIOLENT* crimes.

FWIW, I disagree. Unless the gun is going to become an issue (is visible, or you are asked to step out of the car) I would never mention that I had a gun. If it is in fact a routine traffic stop (speeding etc.) then why are you adding "hey I'm packing" to the mix. Hands on top of the wheel, yes sir, no sir, sorry sir, and then go on your way.

Except for the fact that if you are a concealed carry license holder (as is required in many areas to carry loaded in a vehicle.) By law, you have to declare you are packing. If you dont, you are screwed harder then if you were a felon with a automatic.

/concealed pistol license holder

Happy Hours:
But yeah, I think it's ridiculous that a felon who has served his sentence (including any parole or probation) can be prohibited from voting or owning a gun.

Why? If the crime he committed is so heinous that you can't trust him with the right to vote or own a gun even after he's paid his debt to society maybe we should have kept him in prison longer.

I'm not defending this particular person, but the law is farked up.

Indeed. This example of overly vigilant traffic enforcement (rolled a stop sign, oh noes!) coupled with insane drug laws proves "if you're not doing something wrong you have nothing to hide" is one of the stupidest arguments for granting power to the government.

DORMAMU: DoctorOfLove: booksmart: As a liberal with a concealed carry permit, it's a good idea to let the officer that has pulled you over that you are, indeed, packing.

I do support the return of the 2nd Amendment right to committers of *NON-VIOLENT* crimes.

FWIW, I disagree. Unless the gun is going to become an issue (is visible, or you are asked to step out of the car) I would never mention that I had a gun. If it is in fact a routine traffic stop (speeding etc.) then why are you adding "hey I'm packing" to the mix. Hands on top of the wheel, yes sir, no sir, sorry sir, and then go on your way.

Except for the fact that if you are a concealed carry license holder (as is required in many areas to carry loaded in a vehicle.) By law, you have to declare you are packing. If you dont, you are screwed harder then if you were a felon with a automatic.

/concealed pistol license holder

*nods* Not all states that grant concealed carry permits require you to notify an officer when you are stopped, but many do.

I feel it's simply good etiquette.

booksmart: DORMAMU: DoctorOfLove: booksmart: As a liberal with a concealed carry permit, it's a good idea to let the officer that has pulled you over that you are, indeed, packing.

I do support the return of the 2nd Amendment right to committers of *NON-VIOLENT* crimes.

FWIW, I disagree. Unless the gun is going to become an issue (is visible, or you are asked to step out of the car) I would never mention that I had a gun. If it is in fact a routine traffic stop (speeding etc.) then why are you adding "hey I'm packing" to the mix. Hands on top of the wheel, yes sir, no sir, sorry sir, and then go on your way.

Except for the fact that if you are a concealed carry license holder (as is required in many areas to carry loaded in a vehicle.) By law, you have to declare you are packing. If you dont, you are screwed harder then if you were a felon with a automatic.

/concealed pistol license holder

*nods* Not all states that grant concealed carry permits require you to notify an officer when you are stopped, but many do.

I feel it's simply good etiquette.

This. As another farker said, it helps make the traffic stop as minimally shooty as possible. And that, in my opinion, is a good thing.

DORMAMU: Except for the fact that if you are a concealed carry license holder (as is required in many areas to carry loaded in a vehicle.) By law, you have to declare you are packing. If you dont, you are screwed harder then if you were a felon with a automatic.

Not many states have that law either. Very few states require you to declare that you're carrying. This isn't the same as laws that require you to be in possession of the permit and produce it on demand. Generally if they ask for ID and you feel like telling them, just hand them your CCW with your drivers license.

It's pretty much a given that it will come up on the computer if you've been issued a permit by the state you're in. In places where they don't have computers, you can even hear dispatchers say things like "RO is CCW" when they run the plates. It'll show up again when they run your license.

Mock26: This. As another farker said, it helps make the traffic stop as minimally shooty as possible. And that, in my opinion, is a good thing.

This cop agrees

monoski: I have hopes that some of the Farkers who were out here defending the logic of allowing felons to regain the right to own guns will stop by to defend this nice young man.

Well, assuming he's not a white collar felon, then no, no gun rights for him. Now, I'm sure you agree that felons should have voting rights?