Besides carrying a weapon without a permit, Goetz' only crime was being a bad shot.

AlwaysRightBoy: Having worked in the Village for many years.. and having met Bernie more than a few times (on the subway and street), I would say he is a very shy man who does not welcome publicity. It sucks that he was made a scapegoat for so many years.
/just my 2-cents

Oh, and James Ramseur, I remember your name from the trial, good for you.

That's being kind.

A scapegoat for what? He shot people.

That was 27 years ago? Cripes, now I feel old.

Ramseur had gotten out of prison only 17 months ago, after serving 25 years upstate for raping a young woman on a Bronx rooftop.

Ya, I don't think I'm going to lose any sleep over this suicide.

Gulper Eel: CSB:

My dad was Bernie Goetz' sixth grade teacher. Back in '84 the phones at home rang off the hook with reporters trying to get a quote out of my dad better than "he was a quiet boy...studious...kind of a loner".

And?

I hope it was: 'Yeah, the kid was seriously strange. He would masturbate during maths'.

Bernhard Goetz did the world a favor.

So did this guy who just ODed himself.

And nothing of value was lost.

GungFu: I hope it was: 'Yeah, the kid was seriously strange. He would masturbate during maths'.

Gung Fu, where do you hail from? Curious about your usage of 'Maths' plural.

Also, I remember at the time how absurd it was that Goetz was labelled a recist, because the thugs who harrassed him were black. Anyone who rode the subway knew that at a different line at a different time, it would have just as easily been 3 white thugs he mowed down.

I remember thinking what an weird racist assumption that only black kids prowl subways being assholes.

Malcom Gladwell has a great chapter in his book The Tipping Point about Bernie Goetz and the crime wave receding after the shootings.

The only travesty to come out of this was the steadfast support from the "black community" of these thugs. We shouldn't take sides based on group identification.

FARK:

"Ramseur had checked in Tuesday and paid for two nights. He was supposed to check out yesterday morning."

He did.

NOT A VICTIM, Goetz was the victim

"Ramseur had checked in Tuesday and paid for two nights. He was supposed to check out yesterday morning."

Sounds like he opted for early checkout.

/good riddance

Imperialism: AlwaysRightBoy: Having worked in the Village for many years.. and having met Bernie more than a few times (on the subway and street), I would say he is a very shy man who does not welcome publicity. It sucks that he was made a scapegoat for so many years.
/just my 2-cents

Oh, and James Ramseur, I remember your name from the trial, good for you.

That's being kind.

A scapegoat for what? He shot people.

Some people need shooting.

Weaver95: Ramseur had gotten out of prison only 17 months ago, after serving 25 years upstate for raping a young woman on a Bronx rooftop.

hmm.

The shooting took place on Dec. 22, 1984, when Ramseur, 18, and neighborhood pals Darrell Cabey, Barry Allen and Troy Canty, all 19, were riding a downtown No. 2 train.

As it approached Chambers Street, they encountered Goetz, an electronics specialist. What ensued is in dispute.

Oh I think we can all take a guess what happened next.

A movie?

Goetz told authorities the intimidating youths demanded $5 from him... But since the four youths were black, others called him a racist.

But blacks robbing a white guy is not racist.

Alleyoop: But blacks robbing a white guy is not racist.

Only white people can be racist. You know that.

AlwaysRightBoy: Imperialism: AlwaysRightBoy: Having worked in the Village for many years.. and having met Bernie more than a few times (on the subway and street), I would say he is a very shy man who does not welcome publicity. It sucks that he was made a scapegoat for so many years.
/just my 2-cents

Oh, and James Ramseur, I remember your name from the trial, good for you.

That's being kind.

A scapegoat for what? He shot people.

for mugging him?

No, for "being black", and "asking politely for bus money". Check their rap sheets, those are the only things listed aside from the rape, robbery, drugs, theft, and rape.

BojanglesPaladin: GungFu: I hope it was: 'Yeah, the kid was seriously strange. He would masturbate during maths'.

Gung Fu, where do you hail from? Curious about your usage of 'Maths' plural.

Also, I remember at the time how absurd it was that Goetz was labelled a recist, because the thugs who harrassed him were black. Anyone who rode the subway knew that at a different line at a different time, it would have just as easily been 3 white thugs he mowed down.

I remember thinking what an weird racist assumption that only black kids prowl subways being assholes.

Isn't the term "maths" one of those internet meme language thingees, like "intertubes", etc.?

I mean, I don't think you're going to get an answer like, "I'm from a small desert villiage in southern Tunisia".

AlwaysRightBoy: Imperialism: AlwaysRightBoy: Having worked in the Village for many years.. and having met Bernie more than a few times (on the subway and street), I would say he is a very shy man who does not welcome publicity. It sucks that he was made a scapegoat for so many years.
/just my 2-cents

Oh, and James Ramseur, I remember your name from the trial, good for you.

That's being kind.

A scapegoat for what? He shot people.

for attempting to mugging him?

Fixed!!

Well, I expect this thread to be full of the finest whines from people who've never had to deal with urban crime.

FTA: "But since the four youths were black, others called him a racist."


Note to self: If forced to shoot multiple black guys while being mugged by same, be sure to shoot a random white guy or two as well.

/Avoid charges of "racism"

Yo, yo, yo, ladies. You never gonna get raped again!



Ever the fashion plate, James checked out fully clothed.

Pincy: Ramseur had gotten out of prison only 17 months ago, after serving 25 years upstate for raping a young woman on a Bronx rooftop.

Ya, I don't think I'm going to lose any sleep over this suicide.

yeah I hadn't heard about his later work and felt kinda bad when I saw the headline. I thought maybe he just had mental problems after the shooting or whatever. Turns out he was still a scumbag

CSB
I was an AF Security troop stationed in Bitburg, Germany '86 and a new Law Enforcement troop arrived on flight with the last name of Goetz. She was a smoking hot little thing and the guys were standing around chatting her up before guardmount. A friend of mine looks at her name tage and says, "Goetz? Any relation to Bernie Goetz?" She smiled and said, "Are you talking about my uncle Berhnard?" Needless to say that took some of the wind out of his sails. Especially when I pointed out to him that she was armed.

/CSB

nytmare: AlwaysRightBoy: Imperialism: AlwaysRightBoy: Having worked in the Village for many years.. and having met Bernie more than a few times (on the subway and street), I would say he is a very shy man who does not welcome publicity. It sucks that he was made a scapegoat for so many years.
/just my 2-cents

Oh, and James Ramseur, I remember your name from the trial, good for you.

That's being kind.

A scapegoat for what? He shot people.

for mugging him?

No, for "being black", and "asking politely for bus money". Check their rap sheets, those are the only things listed aside from the rape, robbery, drugs, theft, and rape.

You said "and" twice.

nytmare: No, for "being black", and "asking politely for bus money". Check their rap sheets, those are the only things listed aside from the rape, robbery, drugs, theft, and rape.

They were charged with rape twice.

There is a bum on 6th street who says " Give me some money" all the time that makes me think of Bernard Goetz all the time.

Imperialism:

A scapegoat for what? He shot people.

But..but..they were good kids.

\one less gangster wannabe on the street.

MoistenedBint: FARK:

"Ramseur had checked in Tuesday and paid for two nights. He was supposed to check out yesterday morning."

He did.

[golfclap.jpg]

AFKobel: Isn't the term "maths" one of those internet meme language thingees, like "intertubes", etc.?

In my expoerience, it's a Brittish school system idiom.

Manny Fuentes fighting a losing battle in the comments section there. Give it up pal, just--for your own sake--give it up.

Iceman_Cometh: CSB
I was an AF Security troop stationed in Bitburg, Germany '86 and a new Law Enforcement troop arrived on flight with the last name of Goetz. She was a smoking hot little thing and the guys were standing around chatting her up before guardmount. A friend of mine looks at her name tage and says, "Goetz? Any relation to Bernie Goetz?" She smiled and said, "Are you talking about my uncle Berhnard?" Needless to say that took some of the wind out of his sails. Especially when I pointed out to him that she was armed.

/CSB

There is an ubercute female Asian MP at Bethesda Naval Medical Center. Anyone who's had their I.D. checked going in may know of whom I speak.

/eff that new name
//eff you, Army

BojanglesPaladin: Also, I remember at the time how absurd it was that Goetz was labelled a recist, because the thugs who harrassed him were black. Anyone who rode the subway knew that at a different line at a different time, it would have just as easily been 3 white thugs he mowed down.

Probably not. They would have spoken to each other in White Talk and worked out their differences.

bronyaur1: Goetz is 100% total freak job.

Doesn't change the fact that he did the right thing in shooting the 4 wastes of skin who tried to mug him. The only crime here is that New York deprived him of his right to legally carry a firearm.

HR 822 passed in the house. Here's hoping the Senate does the right thing and passes it, as the full faith & credit clause of the Constitution mandates. As a Virginia resident CHP holder who frequently visits NYC, HR 822 is extremely relevant to my interests.

Iceman_Cometh: CSB
I was an AF Security troop stationed in Bitburg, Germany '86 and a new Law Enforcement troop arrived on flight with the last name of Goetz. She was a smoking hot little thing and the guys were standing around chatting her up before guardmount. A friend of mine looks at her name tage and says, "Goetz? Any relation to Bernie Goetz?" She smiled and said, "Are you talking about my uncle Berhnard?" Needless to say that took some of the wind out of his sails. Especially when I pointed out to him that she was armed.

/CSB

We were in Bitburg 85-88. *waves*

Good riddance and sleep crappy rapey-mugger dude.

schatzie: The "maths" thing is British. An acquaintance who teaches "maths" explained that since math is short for mathematics it should be plural.

Silly English, acting like since they made up the language they get to make the rules.

Enough of that, shame Bernie wasn't a better shot, we could have avoided this whole thread.

though I don't think "mathematic" is a word. Firefox spellcheck agrees. Can something be plural if there is no singular version?

AverageAmericanGuy: Malcom Gladwell has a great chapter in his book The Tipping Point about Bernie Goetz and the crime wave receding after the shootings.

The only travesty to come out of this was the steadfast support from the "black community" of these thugs. We shouldn't take sides based on group identification.

Don't forget lefty "radical" lawyers. They loved those thugs.