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Nhojwolfe

2011-12-23 09:14:36 AM

You mean Texans?

RedPhoenix122

2011-12-23 09:19:13 AM

Nhojwolfe: You mean Texans?

Nah, I'm guessing Colts ran out of luck. Bad luck, that is.

WarehouseMouse

2011-12-23 09:20:20 AM

I think subby meant to use a capital 'L'.

The Smails Kid

2011-12-23 09:21:29 AM

Nhojwolfe: You mean Texans?

RedPhoenix122: Nhojwolfe: You mean Texans?

Nah, I'm guessing Colts ran out of luck. Bad luck, that is.

Guessing you didn't see what Subby did there.

Johnny Savage

2011-12-23 09:27:17 AM

Nhojwolfe: You mean Texans?

RedPhoenix122: Nhojwolfe: You mean Texans?

Nah, I'm guessing Colts ran out of luck. Bad luck, that is.

Wife-like typing detected.

/Not sure you two should be posting in the Sports tab. I think there is a Robert Pattinson article that just went green over in the Entertainment tab. Maybe you'd feel more comfortable there.

Masterstuff

2011-12-23 09:28:04 AM

Suck for Luck does not work that way!!

greenbowlpacker

2011-12-23 09:31:39 AM

RedPhoenix122

2011-12-23 09:32:41 AM

Johnny Savage: Nhojwolfe: You mean Texans?

RedPhoenix122: Nhojwolfe: You mean Texans?

Nah, I'm guessing Colts ran out of luck. Bad luck, that is.

Wife-like typing detected.

/Not sure you two should be posting in the Sports tab. I think there is a Robert Pattinson article that just went green over in the Entertainment tab. Maybe you'd feel more comfortable there.

Making disparaging comments without even knowing who you are referring to or the accuracy of their statement? Politics thread is over there, my friend.

vinnydoz007

2011-12-23 09:32:47 AM

Im actually kind of stunned by this. I was convinced, they were gonna shoot for luck. Crazy.

bgddy24601

2011-12-23 09:36:04 AM

greenbowlpacker: [youtomb.mit.edu image 480x360]

Hello?!?

/Get out.
//It matters.

Kann

2011-12-23 09:48:19 AM

There are now three 2-win teams... Does anyone know how the tiebreaker works and who is in the "lead"?

degenerate-afro

2011-12-23 09:48:27 AM

WarehouseMouse: I think subby meant to use a capital 'L'.

Bah, I submitted this same headline with a captial L and an ESPN link and they chose the lowercase L one with the USA Today link.
/not subby
//obviously, but I'm not bitter. :)

Bobo_Spiewack

2011-12-23 09:49:20 AM

vinnydoz007: Im actually kind of stunned by this. I was convinced, they were gonna shoot for luck. Crazy.

If Manning is actually healthy for next year, they need defensive players more. Still need a high pick, maybe just not that one.

/Surprised too

Maud Dib

2011-12-23 09:52:33 AM

The Texans are the aggy of the NFL.
Just when they get a big head and start winning, they lose to the worst teams.

omahatattoo

2011-12-23 09:53:41 AM

Kann: There are now three 2-win teams... Does anyone know how the tiebreaker works and who is in the "lead"?

Strength of schedule and Indy is still ahead/behind... in last place.

WarehouseMouse

2011-12-23 09:53:53 AM

degenerate-afro: WarehouseMouse: I think subby meant to use a capital 'L'.

Bah, I submitted this same headline with a captial L and an ESPN link and they chose the lowercase L one with the USA Today link.
/not subby
//obviously, but I'm not bitter. :)

I was just trying to subtly shed some light on the reference in the headline that seems to have our initial respondents confused; it could be that Dear Modmin wanted to be less obvious about it for just that reason.

macadamnut

2011-12-23 09:56:09 AM

Great, there goes the football pool already.

MilesTeg

2011-12-23 09:58:48 AM

Sure appeared the fix was in....

I can think of a couple of reasons why the NFL would not want the Colts to go 0-16 or have the 1st pick.

Partisan

2011-12-23 10:01:16 AM

Luck had nothing to do with it. The refs left nothing to chance.

varmitydog

2011-12-23 10:03:49 AM

Miles Teg: Sure appeared the fix was in.... I can think of a couple of reasons why the NFL would not want the Colts to go 0-16 or have the 1st pick.

Yep. Most blatant fix since the '72 Olympic basketball final. So obvious that it was ridiculous. No series of referee calls could be that bad.

Shotgun Justice

2011-12-23 10:12:51 AM

What calls were so bad that everyone thought they were "fixed"?

/Enforcement of some stupid rules, but the rules are on the books.

Pratty

2011-12-23 10:13:04 AM

Why wouldn't the Colts trade the #1 pick again?

Dancin_In_Anson

2011-12-23 10:18:15 AM

They may have run out of luck but it appears that the checking account hasn't.

iron_city_ap

2011-12-23 10:21:27 AM

RedPhoenix122: Johnny Savage: Nhojwolfe: You mean Texans?

RedPhoenix122: Nhojwolfe: You mean Texans?

Nah, I'm guessing Colts ran out of luck. Bad luck, that is.

Wife-like typing detected.

/Not sure you two should be posting in the Sports tab. I think there is a Robert Pattinson article that just went green over in the Entertainment tab. Maybe you'd feel more comfortable there.

Making disparaging comments without even knowing who you are referring to or the accuracy of their statement? Politics thread is over there, my friend.

I guess it should be explained to you that 'luck' in the headline refers to Andrew Luck, the expected #1 overall pick in the draft.

/not subby

chewielouie

2011-12-23 10:21:59 AM

degenerate-afro: WarehouseMouse: I think subby meant to use a capital 'L'.

Bah, I submitted this same headline with a captial L and an ESPN link and they chose the lowercase L one with the USA Today link.
/not subby
//obviously, but I'm not bitter. :)

Next time include a beej with your sub and you might have better . . . luck.

Henry Holland

2011-12-23 10:24:44 AM

varmitydog: Yep. Most blatant fix since the '72 Olympic basketball final. So obvious that it was ridiculous. No series of referee calls could be that bad.

You mean the one where the Texans d-lineman raked the facemask of the Colts lineman right in front of the ref? The one where the d-lineman hit Orlovsky about 3 seconds after he had thrown the ball? The one where the defensive back had his arms wrapped around Jacob Tamme's waist, preventing Tamme from getting to a TD pass?

Those calls?

The Texans have only themselves to blame for the loss last night. I can't believe I'm typing this, but without Matt Schaub, they're one and done in the playoffs.

The Colts have some major decisions to make in the offseason. Do they sign the older players for one more run with Manning or blow up the team and build for the future if they get Luck-y?

Johnny Savage

2011-12-23 10:27:28 AM

Pratty

2011-12-23 10:29:07 AM

Henry Holland: varmitydog: Yep. Most blatant fix since the '72 Olympic basketball final. So obvious that it was ridiculous. No series of referee calls could be that bad.

You mean the one where the Texans d-lineman raked the facemask of the Colts lineman right in front of the ref? The one where the d-lineman hit Orlovsky about 3 seconds after he had thrown the ball? The one where the defensive back had his arms wrapped around Jacob Tamme's waist, preventing Tamme from getting to a TD pass?

Those calls?

The Texans have only themselves to blame for the loss last night. I can't believe I'm typing this, but without Matt Schaub, they're one and done in the playoffs.

The Colts have some major decisions to make in the offseason. Do they sign the older players for one more run with Manning or blow up the team and build for the future if they get Luck-y?

C. Trade down for one of the other 3+ good QBs in the draft and use what you get to build a real team.

RedPhoenix122

2011-12-23 10:34:37 AM

Johnny Savage: Lighten up, Nancy. It was a joke.

Likewise

iron_city_ap: I guess it should be explained to you that 'luck' in the headline refers to Andrew Luck, the expected #1 overall pick in the draft.

Gathered that, Boobies was made bleary eyed while waiting for caffeine to kick in.

RedPhoenix122

2011-12-23 10:36:53 AM

RedPhoenix122: Johnny Savage: Lighten up, Nancy. It was a joke.

Likewise

iron_city_ap: I guess it should be explained to you that 'luck' in the headline refers to Andrew Luck, the expected #1 overall pick in the draft.

Gathered that, Boobies was made bleary eyed while waiting for caffeine to kick in.

apparently, first and post can't be said together, whoops

Broktun

2011-12-23 10:38:42 AM

Who'd thunk the Colts would help Baltimore.

AdmirableSnackbar

2011-12-23 10:40:27 AM

Pratty: Henry Holland: varmitydog: Yep. Most blatant fix since the '72 Olympic basketball final. So obvious that it was ridiculous. No series of referee calls could be that bad.

You mean the one where the Texans d-lineman raked the facemask of the Colts lineman right in front of the ref? The one where the d-lineman hit Orlovsky about 3 seconds after he had thrown the ball? The one where the defensive back had his arms wrapped around Jacob Tamme's waist, preventing Tamme from getting to a TD pass?

Those calls?

The Texans have only themselves to blame for the loss last night. I can't believe I'm typing this, but without Matt Schaub, they're one and done in the playoffs.

The Colts have some major decisions to make in the offseason. Do they sign the older players for one more run with Manning or blow up the team and build for the future if they get Luck-y?

C. Trade down for one of the other 3+ good QBs in the draft and use what you get to build a real team.

Unfortunately such a trade is virtually impossible. The compensation required for that trade makes it impossible to get fair value and would be disastrous for the team trading for the pick. That's why the Colts are trying to win so that they don't have to be the team that either trades Luck away or passes on him. I really think they're trying to get the 2nd overall pick to take the LT out of USC because their offensive line is shiat.

Partisan

2011-12-23 10:43:01 AM

Henry Holland: You mean the one where the Texans d-lineman raked the facemask of the Colts lineman right in front of the ref?

Since when is an incidental "rake" illegal use of the hands? Since never.

Henry Holland: The one where the d-lineman hit Orlovsky about 3 seconds after he had thrown the ball?

3 seconds? Come on, be honest now.

Henry Holland: The one where the defensive back had his arms wrapped around Jacob Tamme's waist, preventing Tamme from getting to a TD pass?

He didn't have his arms around the guy. At all. The defender was in perfect tight coverage. There is no way to play that better as a defender. Far too often, a receiver will reach or dive for a pass and fall forward in the process, and the defender will get a flag for landing on top of him. It's complete BS.

I don't care about either of these teams, but watching the game it was clear the refs just couldn't let the players play, for whatever reason.

Gunderson

2011-12-23 10:53:51 AM

And this is why the draft order should be random. Failure should not be rewarded.

youngandstupid

2011-12-23 10:56:45 AM

RedPhoenix122: RedPhoenix122: Johnny Savage: Lighten up, Nancy. It was a joke.

Likewise

iron_city_ap: I guess it should be explained to you that 'luck' in the headline refers to Andrew Luck, the expected #1 overall pick in the draft.

Gathered that, Boobies was made bleary eyed while waiting for caffeine to kick in.

apparently, first and post can't be said together, whoops

Is this some kind of new rotsky? If so, bravo. If not, Fark isn't your friend today.

Supes

2011-12-23 11:00:08 AM

omahatattoo: Kann: There are now three 2-win teams... Does anyone know how the tiebreaker works and who is in the "lead"?

Strength of schedule and Indy is still ahead/behind... in last place.

Not only that, they've actually "clinched" worst strength of schedule. If they lose their final game, they get the top pick. They control their own destiny, so to speak.

bottsicus

2011-12-23 11:01:49 AM

Thank you Texans/Colts/refs!

/Patriots fan.

Jamdug!

2011-12-23 11:02:40 AM

For reference, here is a list of prospect rankings:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings (new window)

Le Bomb Suprize

2011-12-23 11:05:14 AM

The Colts will win next week because Orlovsky will be playing for his NFL career. If he loses, the Colts take Luck and Orlovsky is doomed to competing for a backup position for another team. Win and he will be the backup to Manning, which could last a few seasons or one game, depending on how long Manning can play.

rubertidom

2011-12-23 11:06:07 AM

Supes

2011-12-23 11:10:40 AM

Le Bomb Suprize: The Colts will win next week because Orlovsky will be playing for his NFL career. If he loses, the Colts take Luck and Orlovsky is doomed to competing for a backup position for another team. Win and he will be the backup to Manning, which could last a few seasons or one game, depending on how long Manning can play.

Frankly, NFL players don't tank. There are no guaranteed contracts. Every player is playing for their career. The scrutiny they face is amazing.

If the organization wants to lose, all they can really do is play the worst players on their team. But the players themselves will play hard, and it's way too blatant if you simply sit your best talent.

RedPhoenix122

2011-12-23 11:15:11 AM

rubertidom: RedPhoenix122: RedPhoenix122: Johnny Savage: Lighten up, Nancy. It was a joke.

Likewise

iron_city_ap: I guess it should be explained to you that 'luck' in the headline refers to Andrew Luck, the expected #1 overall pick in the draft.

Gathered that, Boobies was made bleary eyed while waiting for caffeine to kick in.

apparently, first and post can't be said together, whoops

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Nah, I knew about it, but I think that's the first time I've ever done it.

youngandstupid: Is this some kind of new rotsky? If so, bravo. If not, Fark isn't your friend today.

I think reality isn't my friend today.

Sapper_Topo

2011-12-23 11:17:24 AM

Had the whole house cheering for the Colts last night because they think the Vikings will draft Luck... I had to explain that a new QB isnt going to help if the O line cant protect him. They didnt care and kept cheering for the Colts. My family is a bunch of assholes.

Harv72b

2011-12-23 11:20:06 AM

Henry Holland: You mean the one where the Texans d-lineman raked the facemask of the Colts lineman right in front of the ref? The one where the d-lineman hit Orlovsky about 3 seconds after he had thrown the ball? The one where the defensive back had his arms wrapped around Jacob Tamme's waist, preventing Tamme from getting to a TD pass?

Those calls?

The Texans have only themselves to blame for the loss last night. I can't believe I'm typing this, but without Matt Schaub, they're one and done in the playoffs.

The Colts have some major decisions to make in the offseason. Do they sign the older players for one more run with Manning or blow up the team and build for the future if they get Luck-y?

The Texans accepted the blame; J.J. Watt in particular blamed nobody but himself for the two costly penalties called on him during the last Colts drive.

That said, any objective observer would tell you that there were several crucial penalties called which, while correct when following the letter of the rulebook, could easily have been no-calls based on the severity of the infraction and its affect on the actual play. The end result was that the referees decided the final outcome of the game...not in any "fix" sort of sense, but by their own overzealous interpretations of the rules.

Your comment makes it obvious that you are not an objective observer, however, so take that as you will.

merkey88

2011-12-23 11:20:32 AM

Partisan: Henry Holland: You mean the one where the Texans d-lineman raked the facemask of the Colts lineman right in front of the ref?

Since when is an incidental "rake" illegal use of the hands? Since never.

Henry Holland: The one where the d-lineman hit Orlovsky about 3 seconds after he had thrown the ball?

3 seconds? Come on, be honest now.

Henry Holland: The one where the defensive back had his arms wrapped around Jacob Tamme's waist, preventing Tamme from getting to a TD pass?

He didn't have his arms around the guy. At all. The defender was in perfect tight coverage. There is no way to play that better as a defender. Far too often, a receiver will reach or dive for a pass and fall forward in the process, and the defender will get a flag for landing on top of him. It's complete BS.

I don't care about either of these teams, but watching the game it was clear the refs just couldn't let the players play, for whatever reason.

All this. The roughing the passer was a complete joke. The defender had the qb around the ankles before he released the ball, couldn't see the qb threw the ball, and the qb fell to the ground because of it.
The pass interference was also a horrible call. Defender didn't gave his back arm even touching the receiver, and barely scraped him with the leading arm as he reached out to defend the pass.

Harv72b

2011-12-23 11:22:15 AM

Sapper_Topo: Had the whole house cheering for the Colts last night because they think the Vikings will draft Luck... I had to explain that a new QB isnt going to help if the O line cant protect him. They didnt care and kept cheering for the Colts. My family ~~is a bunch of assholes~~ works for the Vikings personnel department.

Or if not, they could.

Le Bomb Suprize

2011-12-23 11:25:44 AM

Supes: Le Bomb Suprize: The Colts will win next week because Orlovsky will be playing for his NFL career. If he loses, the Colts take Luck and Orlovsky is doomed to competing for a backup position for another team. Win and he will be the backup to Manning, which could last a few seasons or one game, depending on how long Manning can play.

Frankly, NFL players don't tank. There are no guaranteed contracts. Every player is playing for their career. The scrutiny they face is amazing.

If the organization wants to lose, all they can really do is play the worst players on their team. But the players themselves will play hard, and it's way too blatant if you simply sit your best talent.

Who inferred anything about tanking? This isn't the NBA...

My point is that Orlovsky has extra incentive to play well as his future is directly tied to whether the Colts win or lose next week, not merely how hard he plays.

Sapper_Topo

2011-12-23 11:29:37 AM

Harv72b: Sapper_Topo: Had the whole house cheering for the Colts last night because they think the Vikings will draft Luck... I had to explain that a new QB isnt going to help if the O line cant protect him. They didnt care and kept cheering for the Colts. My family is a bunch of assholes works for the Vikings personnel department.

Or if not, they could.

I LOLd because youre right!

ole prophet

2011-12-23 11:41:29 AM

Jamdug!: For reference, here is a list of prospect rankings:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings (new window)

Trent Richardson

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NewWorldDan

2011-12-23 11:43:33 AM

Harv72b: Sapper_Topo: Had the whole house cheering for the Colts last night because they think the Vikings will draft Luck... I had to explain that a new QB isnt going to help if the O line cant protect him. They didnt care and kept cheering for the Colts. My family is a bunch of assholes works for the Vikings personnel department.

Or if not, they could.

I LOLd because youre right!

If the Vikings do end up with the #1 pick (they still have to find a way to lose to the Bears and Redskins, and there's no way the Rams are beating either the 49ers or the Steelers), they can trade Luck for some linemen, wide recievers, cornerbacks, safetys, and if they have any picks left after that, their linebackers aren't getting any younger either.

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