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(NJ.com)   16-year-old girl who failed CPR class resuscitates 75-year-old heart attack victim. Imagine what she could have done if she'd passed   (nj.com ) divider line
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2011-12-22 02:22:53 PM  
He should have pulled a Squints on her
 
2011-12-22 02:25:09 PM  
Will she get her certificate now?
 
2011-12-22 02:25:09 PM  
...Just waiting for the dam to burst now on everyone's personal anecdotes about tests they have failed but it doesn't matter because they're smarter than Einstein and tests aren't a true measure of intelligence or knowledge.
 
2011-12-22 02:25:10 PM  
I'd resuscitate a seat over there.
 
2011-12-22 02:25:33 PM  
Hopefully she wont get sued if she damaged his ribs or somesuch

/good samaritan laws are tricksy with this
//swim instructor
 
2011-12-22 02:26:49 PM  

seek3r: Hopefully she wont get sued if she damaged his ribs or somesuch


I doubt he'll sue, given he died a few days later.
 
2011-12-22 02:27:56 PM  
Good for her! 'Course if she'd have failed or done major bodily harm, she would be subject to lawsuits from which Good Samaritan laws defend CPR-certified individuals.
 
2011-12-22 02:28:11 PM  
Boner alert?
 
2011-12-22 02:28:40 PM  
"Massive heart attack", uh huh, sure. Well-played old man, well-played.
t0.gstatic.com
 
2011-12-22 02:28:50 PM  
Probably used less tongue.
 
2011-12-22 02:29:49 PM  

seek3r: Hopefully she wont get sued if she damaged his ribs or somesuch

/good samaritan laws are tricksy with this
//swim instructor


no last time i took the class they were very specific. She cant be sued as long as she was acting in good faith.
 
2011-12-22 02:29:58 PM  
Sure... a "heart attack"

Pervy old man probably just wanted a hot young piece of ass to get some mouth on mouth action.

Just had to wait for the right moment, lest some overweight guy named Larry have a heroic mood.
 
2011-12-22 02:30:43 PM  
He died a few days later of complications, but his grandson made sure she knew he was grateful that he had the chance to say goodbye and his grandfather died "surrounded by his family instead of surrounded by strangers on a bowling alley floor".

Shiat, it's dusty in here. Way to go.
 
2011-12-22 02:30:53 PM  

seek3r: Hopefully she wont get sued if she damaged his ribs or somesuch

/good samaritan laws are tricksy with this
//swim instructor


IIRC my state has a Good Samaritan law on file that is pretty broad, unless you just negligently mangle somebody's corpse trying to revive them.
 
2011-12-22 02:32:09 PM  

SwingDancer: seek3r: Hopefully she wont get sued if she damaged his ribs or somesuch

/good samaritan laws are tricksy with this
//swim instructor

no last time i took the class they were very specific. She cant be sued as long as she was acting in good faith.


Usually. (new window) If CPR isn't medical care though, nothing is.
 
2011-12-22 02:32:11 PM  
Heart attack-ack-ack-ack-ack
 
2011-12-22 02:34:35 PM  
Must. Resist. Urge. To. Be. Cynical.
 
2011-12-22 02:35:34 PM  

seek3r: Hopefully she wont get sued if she damaged his ribs or somesuch

/good samaritan laws are tricksy with this
//swim instructor


Cracked/broken ribs on a senior citizen is usually a sign that compressions were given properly.

Also, she acted in good faith. If somebody really really wanted to, they might be able to make a stink that she acted outside the realm of her training, but even as cynical as I am, I just don't see that being attempted in a serious manner.

When it comes right down to it, if somebody is at the point that you're providing CPR, you have to actively try to make their situation worse.
 
2011-12-22 02:35:35 PM  
FTFA: "The man, whose family asked that his name not be used, was taken to a nearby hospital. He died several days later of complications from the heart attack"

A good attorney could claim that her unskilled actions were the cause of the injuries that eventually lead to the mans death, and that since she was never certified in CPR, that she is not protected by the good Samaritan laws.

This is New Jersey after all. No good deed goes unpunished.

Hell if prosecuted she could end up doing more time than if she shot the old guy in an attempted robbery.
 
2011-12-22 02:35:52 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Will she get her certificate now?


I say to give her her card. She's definitely passed the make-up practicum.
 
2011-12-22 02:36:19 PM  

seek3r: Hopefully she wont get sued if she damaged his ribs or somesuch

/good samaritan laws are tricksy with this
//swim instructor


I've been told that if you're doing it right,y ou're likely to crack a few ribs...
 
2011-12-22 02:36:42 PM  

xl5150: ...Just waiting for the dam to burst now on everyone's personal anecdotes about tests they have failed but it doesn't matter because they're smarter than Einstein and tests aren't a true measure of intelligence or knowledge.


I failed my first drivers test. But since then I've become a better driver than Einstein ever was.
 
2011-12-22 02:37:11 PM  
Told ya that Heimlich guy was full of shiat.
 
2011-12-22 02:40:37 PM  
"That award follows recognition by police and the Board of Education as well as gratitude from the family of the man, who died several days later."

Sucks all his family died several days later, the girl should have let him die too.
 
2011-12-22 02:41:14 PM  

xl5150: ...Just waiting for the dam to burst now on everyone's personal anecdotes about tests they have failed but it doesn't matter because they're smarter than Einstein and tests aren't a true measure of intelligence or knowledge.


You're always so concerned about your reputation. Einstein did his best stuff when he was working as a patent clerk!
 
2011-12-22 02:41:35 PM  

Snowflake Tubbybottom: Told ya that Heimlich guy was full of shiat.


"Hoocha hoocha hoocha, lobster."
 
2011-12-22 02:43:58 PM  
Setting aside the absolute miracle of somebody reviving because of CPR, I'm very impressed now.

FTFA: "Without a pulse and not breathing the man had turned purple, she said. But his pulse returned after about five minutes of mouth-to-mouth resuscitation and chest compressions, she said."

FIVE minutes. That's a long time to do compressions. I tip my cap to her.
 
2011-12-22 02:44:14 PM  

ProfessorOhki: SwingDancer: seek3r: Hopefully she wont get sued if she damaged his ribs or somesuch

/good samaritan laws are tricksy with this
//swim instructor

no last time i took the class they were very specific. She cant be sued as long as she was acting in good faith.

Usually. (new window) If CPR isn't medical care though, nothing is.


CPR is considered "first aid".

How you flunk the class, I do not know.

As a former EMT, the one thing I can say for sure is that if you respond before the ambulance or fire department, unless you feel the person is in imminent danger, DON'T MOVE THEM!!
 
2011-12-22 02:44:28 PM  
operatorchan.org
 
2011-12-22 02:46:35 PM  
My husband passed his CPR but failed to save a heart attack victim. Correlation, causation, something something.
 
2011-12-22 02:47:10 PM  

BigBooper: FTFA: "The man, whose family asked that his name not be used, was taken to a nearby hospital. He died several days later of complications from the heart attack"

A good attorney could claim that her unskilled actions were the cause of the injuries that eventually lead to the mans death, and that since she was never certified in CPR, that she is not protected by the good Samaritan laws.

This is New Jersey after all. No good deed goes unpunished.

Hell if prosecuted she could end up doing more time than if she shot the old guy in an attempted robbery.


She's a photogenic white girl. No self-respecting lawyer would lift a finger to levy civil or criminal charges against her.
 
2011-12-22 02:47:56 PM  
But what did she bowl?
 
2011-12-22 02:48:41 PM  
TFA: Christa Fairclough, 16, saved a 75-year-old man's life in a bowling alley in Rockaway Borough by using CPR


should have used dianetics instead

www.bored383.com
 
2011-12-22 02:53:09 PM  

SwingDancer: no last time i took the class they were very specific. She cant be sued as long as she was acting in good faith.


I've been told the same, but any lawyer will tell you that it's completely untrue. Good Samaritan laws make it a bit harder for an ambulance-chaser to land a large settlement quickly, but all they have to do is claim is that you were negligent or incompetent, which the laws explicitly do NOT protect against.

The only way to become immune to lawsuits is to be completely uninsured and broke. No money = nothing for lawyers to feed on.
 
2011-12-22 02:54:28 PM  

zabadu: How you flunk the class, I do not know.


Article says her hair was too long to allow her to see the rise and fall of the chest on the dummy. I feel like that's not something that's going to make the instructor outright flunk you though.

katerbug72: My husband passed his CPR but failed to save a heart attack victim. Correlation, causation, something something.


Your husband had a much more typical experience. I think success rates for CPR only (no AED or advanced care) is around 1 or 2%. I hope your husband is handling/has handled it well though.
 
2011-12-22 02:56:51 PM  
 
2011-12-22 02:57:26 PM  
assets.sbnation.com
(Hates dying at a bowling alley)
 
2011-12-22 02:57:51 PM  

Sgt. Expendable: zabadu: How you flunk the class, I do not know.

Article says her hair was too long to allow her to see the rise and fall of the chest on the dummy. I feel like that's not something that's going to make the instructor outright flunk you though.

katerbug72: My husband passed his CPR but failed to save a heart attack victim. Correlation, causation, something something.

Your husband had a much more typical experience. I think success rates for CPR only (no AED or advanced care) is around 1 or 2%. I hope your husband is handling/has handled it well though.


So why didn't they make her pull her hair back? Jeez.

And you are correct - CPR return rate is very, very low.
 
2011-12-22 02:57:58 PM  
So weird, I gave an attempt on my landlord this morning, but he was already gone


RIP Charlie
/csb?
 
2011-12-22 02:59:20 PM  

ArkAngel: He should have pulled a Squints on her


Turn out the lights and lock the doors, cuz this was done in one
 
2011-12-22 02:59:46 PM  

Treygreen13: seek3r: Hopefully she wont get sued if she damaged his ribs or somesuch

/good samaritan laws are tricksy with this
//swim instructor

IIRC my state has a Good Samaritan law on file that is pretty broad, unless you just negligently mangle somebody's corpse trying to revive them.


What if you molest the corpse instead of trying to revive them?

Just asking... 8)

/never molested a corpse
//slashies are fun
 
2011-12-22 03:00:00 PM  

gedtroftwef: She's lucky she didn't run into the reparations rapists (new window) and BOW reparations protesters (new window) who get hard ons when Allah calls them to spirits of racial Karma against white devils.

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Quote: In the wake of Palm Beach County Black Foot Soldiers declaring Emmanuel Paul and David Slocum innocent of the rape of thirty six year old Switzerland race criminal Jenny Clark, sources with the National Network are declining to comment on whether they support alleged "Emmit Till Reparations Rapes" when brothers may be called by Allah to carry out "divine acts of vengeance against whites for their kind's failure to make restitution for their crimes against people of color all across the planet.


What the fark are you on about?
 
2011-12-22 03:00:45 PM  

zabadu: So why didn't they make her pull her hair back? Jeez.


Oh, I agree that something else had to be in play there. I was just pointing out the weak reason given in the article.

I mean, the instructors WANT you to pass. The only thing I can come up with is that since it was offered through school as part of a class, she only got one all-or-nothing practical test. Obviously I don't know, and never will.
 
2011-12-22 03:03:40 PM  

zabadu: ProfessorOhki: SwingDancer: seek3r: Hopefully she wont get sued if she damaged his ribs or somesuch

/good samaritan laws are tricksy with this
//swim instructor

no last time i took the class they were very specific. She cant be sued as long as she was acting in good faith.

Usually. (new window) If CPR isn't medical care though, nothing is.

CPR is considered "first aid".

How you flunk the class, I do not know.

As a former EMT, the one thing I can say for sure is that if you respond before the ambulance or fire department, unless you feel the person is in imminent danger, DON'T MOVE THEM!!


I was told this morning to move him from the bed to the floor. I'm asuming for better chest compressions
 
2011-12-22 03:04:37 PM  

Snowflake Tubbybottom: Told ya that Heimlich guy was full of shiat.


I've been Heimlich'd by Dr. Heimlich himself.

/True story.
 
2011-12-22 03:05:33 PM  

xl5150: ...Just waiting for the dam to burst now on everyone's personal anecdotes about tests they have failed but it doesn't matter because they're smarter than Einstein and tests aren't a true measure of intelligence or knowledge.


Just because you failed the arbitary monitoring mechanism does not mean you did not learn the material. I think that has been established for quite while now.
 
2011-12-22 03:05:56 PM  

Sgt. Expendable: zabadu: How you flunk the class, I do not know.

Article says her hair was too long to allow her to see the rise and fall of the chest on the dummy. I feel like that's not something that's going to make the instructor outright flunk you though.

katerbug72: My husband passed his CPR but failed to save a heart attack victim. Correlation, causation, something something.

Your husband had a much more typical experience. I think success rates for CPR only (no AED or advanced care) is around 1 or 2%. I hope your husband is handling/has handled it well though.


Thanks. He seems ok. It was this past summer. He internalizes things though, so he may not have handled it well. I know I wouldn't have been able to. It was someone he knew and worked with and the man hit his head and was bleeding from a scalp wound while having a heart attack. He kept him alive long enough for the ambulance but the man died on the way to the hospital. Very sad situation.
 
2011-12-22 03:08:16 PM  
How in the heck do you fail CPR? Flip the practice dummy over and try to butt-fark it? I mean, seriously, that course could be completed by a hung-over orangutan.
 
2011-12-22 03:09:20 PM  

UncleStumpy: I was told this morning to move him from the bed to the floor. I'm asuming for better chest compressions


The key is imminent danger. No breathing and no pulse qualifies. Had the previous lady been pulling the victim from a car that was actually on fire, that would qualify. You provide care when you can do it in a manner that is safe for you, and safe for your patient.
 
2011-12-22 03:10:45 PM  

UncleStumpy: zabadu: ProfessorOhki: SwingDancer: seek3r: Hopefully she wont get sued if she damaged his ribs or somesuch

/good samaritan laws are tricksy with this
//swim instructor

no last time i took the class they were very specific. She cant be sued as long as she was acting in good faith.

Usually. (new window) If CPR isn't medical care though, nothing is.

CPR is considered "first aid".

How you flunk the class, I do not know.

As a former EMT, the one thing I can say for sure is that if you respond before the ambulance or fire department, unless you feel the person is in imminent danger, DON'T MOVE THEM!!

I was told this morning to move him from the bed to the floor. I'm asuming for better chest compressions


I'm talking about auto accidents, falls, etc. Cars do not randomly blow up after accidents. People usually do not fall near downed power lines.

And yes, CPR is ineffective in a bed.

What they don't tell you - a lot of CPR receivers may upchuck on you.

I once came on an accident in front of a bar where the local drunks were trying to slap the unconscious woman awake. She had a head injury. Not real smart. Oh, and don't pour whisky (or anything else) down an unconscious persons throat.
 
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