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Pocket Ninja

2011-12-22 09:28:17 AM

Complicated? What's complicated? Jesus, we've done this before, people. It's very simple.

The beer you like sucks.

If you happen to like a beer I also like, I was drinking it before you.

If you can prove that you were drinking it before me, then I was getting tired of that beer anyway and have recently moved on to much better ones.

I will also post pictures of obscure beer that I found doing Google searches and imply that my refrigerator is stocked top to bottom with them.

7of7

2011-12-22 09:44:33 AM

Would that be expertise like that shown repeatedly in scientific studies where supposed wine experts can't tell the difference between white wine and red wine or between cheap wine and expensive wine when blindfolded?

fireclown

2011-12-22 10:03:57 AM

Damned right it should. YA HEAR ME, MCSTYMIE?

gopher321

2011-12-22 10:04:37 AM

GoldDude

2011-12-22 10:05:18 AM

By "same kind of expertise", I assume you mean the same magnitude of snobbery.

DarnoKonrad

2011-12-22 10:05:57 AM

Wine "expertise" is horseshiat. Beer does not need that pretentious baggage.

Sin_City_Superhero

2011-12-22 10:07:08 AM

Screw the haters. This stuff's cheap.

mod3072

2011-12-22 10:08:18 AM

Sir Roderick Glossop

2011-12-22 10:09:15 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: [blog.beerloons.com image 500x500]

Screw the haters. This stuff's cheap.

Seconded. Pretentious fan boys wreck everything: sci fi, comics, cigars, scotch, wine, sports, etc. Leave beer alone, you mincing ponces.

degenerate-afro

2011-12-22 10:09:36 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: [blog.beerloons.com image 500x500]

Screw the haters. This stuff's cheap.

Piss is free, doesn't mean I'll drink it.

Trance750

2011-12-22 10:10:28 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: [blog.beerloons.com image 500x500]

Screw the haters. This stuff's cheap.

Cheap for a reason. Although it is a step above Coors (but not by much)

/beer snob

SBinRR

2011-12-22 10:11:13 AM

I was reading the comments below the article, and thought I had accidentally tabbed back over to the Fark comments.

"If you drink it cold, you're not drinking beer"
"My brother brews his own. It's so much better"
"American beer sucks. I only drink European beer".
"Beer rules, wine drools"

genepool lifeboat

2011-12-22 10:11:24 AM

OOoooh I love a beer thread! My two newest favs:

www.theperfectlyhappyman.com

fredsnake

2011-12-22 10:11:52 AM

Trappist Rochefort # 8 if you have a chance to pick it up is the real deal king of beers.

Sin_City_Superhero

2011-12-22 10:12:49 AM

Sir Roderick Glossop: Sin_City_Superhero: [blog.beerloons.com image 500x500]

Screw the haters. This stuff's cheap.

Seconded. Pretentious fan boys wreck everything: sci fi, comics, cigars, scotch, wine, sports, etc. Leave beer alone, you mincing ponces.

degenerate-afro: Sin_City_Superhero: [blog.beerloons.com image 500x500]

Screw the haters. This stuff's cheap.

Piss is free, doesn't mean I'll drink it.

Pretentious fanboy number 1.

kid_icarus

2011-12-22 10:13:34 AM

lerxst2112

2011-12-22 10:13:40 AM

genepool lifeboat: OOoooh I love a beer thread! My two newest favs:

[www.theperfectlyhappyman.com image 320x240]

[api.ning.com image 294x456]

I have seen that oatmeal stout at one of the liquor stores in town. May have to check it out.

tehbeermang

2011-12-22 10:13:44 AM

Pocket Ninja: Complicated? What's complicated? Jesus, we've done this before, people. It's very simple.

The beer you like sucks.

If you happen to like a beer I also like, I was drinking it before you.

If you can prove that you were drinking it before me, then I was getting tired of that beer anyway and have recently moved on to much better ones.

I will also post pictures of obscure beer that I found doing Google searches and imply that my refrigerator is stocked top to bottom with them.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there's a reason your posts have a green background.

I know what I don't like. Old Milwaukee gives me a horrible hangover. Budweiser tastes liked canned spinach to me.

Coors doesn't taste like anything. That's why it's excellent on a hot summer day here on the plains.

I like to drink with the seasons. Nothing tastes better than a hoppy IPA (I haven't found one I don't like) in the spring and nothing is better than a bold, syrupy Old Rasputin in the dead of winter. Fat Tire Or Sam Adams go together with football in my world.

But: no matter what, the best beer is free.

KIA

2011-12-22 10:13:51 AM

You know what I've recently been enjoying? Woolaver's Oatmeal Stout. This is the stuff of legend. Sure, nobody likes to think about "oatmeal" with "beer" but it's not like that at all. Put the name out of your head. It's merely an unfortunate name for a tremendous beer. My GF (who is a wine person) will actually seek this beer out and have a bottle now and then. It is unprecedented.

I went to five different Total Beverage stores in the region and cleaned them out of their stock. They only had about a case apiece, but it's really that good.

special20

2011-12-22 10:14:04 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: [bottle-o-piss image]

Screw the haters. This stuff's cheap.

Is it just available where you live, or all over America? I've never tried that brand, but I hear good things about it from my Mexican friends.

Koalaesq

2011-12-22 10:14:10 AM

I usually hate Guinness (BRING IT, HATERS), but the new Guinness black lager is quite nice.

However, recently my heart has returned to Old Speckled Hen, a favorite since I met my husband in Britain.

Eagles409

2011-12-22 10:14:53 AM

genepool lifeboat: OOoooh I love a beer thread! My two newest favs:

[www.theperfectlyhappyman.com image 320x240]

[api.ning.com image 294x456]

I just tried the Banana Bread beer at a bar recently. It was good for about a half a glass and then I had had enough of it. It does taste like banana bread, but it got old really fast.

/not a beer snob

Voiceofreason01

2011-12-22 10:15:28 AM

7of7: Would that be expertise like that shown repeatedly in scientific studies where supposed wine experts can't tell the difference between white wine and red wine or between cheap wine and expensive wine when blindfolded?

I can always tell the difference between dark beer and light beer or cheap beer and expensive beer. And I'm not even a beer expert.

/more of an enthusiastic amateur
//I enjoy complex flavor profiles and new tastes as much (if not more) than the next guy but my favorite part of beer is the alcohol

Ebbelwoi

2011-12-22 10:15:35 AM

Meh. I like beer. Live in Germany. In Belgium several times a year to stock up. I just can't deal with all the beer geeks masturbating over their beer geekery though. Just STFU and drink it already.

Lt. Cheese Weasel

2011-12-22 10:17:09 AM

Sin_City_Superhero

2011-12-22 10:17:15 AM

Light beer has it's place. Claiming otherwise shows your ignorance. For all of you saying that Bud Light is piss, I live in the desert. When it's 120 degrees, and you're outside, you don't want a Heinekin Dark, or a Guinness Extra Stout. You want something light and refreshing.

GuyFawkes

2011-12-22 10:17:17 AM

genepool lifeboat: OOoooh I love a beer thread! My two newest favs:

[www.theperfectlyhappyman.com image 320x240]

[api.ning.com image 294x456]

Mmmmmm...oatmeal stout is some good stuff. My current love:

legalbeer.com

/good stuff

donuettes

2011-12-22 10:17:57 AM

Drink Alpine or Go To Bed!!!

Harry Freakstorm

2011-12-22 10:18:24 AM

For the Discerning Beer Consumer,

When offered a can of beer, check it for coldness. Maybe shift it from one hand to another. Take a moment to check the weight. If there is an expiration or "born on date" look for it and ask the person who offered you the beer "What year is it?"

Pop the beer tab but don't open it. You want resistance to see if the aluminum is pure and refined. Open the beer. There should be some foam but not a lot. Know this: unscrupulous guests have been known to give a substandard beer a good shake in order to stimulate foam. This is unacceptable.

Sniff the beer. It should smell like beer or clean vomit. Gather a good wiff of the brew and see if you can detect metal shavings, rat pieces, or beechwood splinters. If you do detect any of the above, fling the beer out the window of the truck and demand something better. You are not offending your guests when you do this. This will tell them that they are in the company of a true beer consumer.

Take a long drink. Belch. Repeat. When empty, deposit the can in to the bed of the pickup truck so it can be returned or recycled. Do not throw the can on to the floor of the pickup cab. This can be considered an insult to your guest and probable cause if you are stopped.

When it is your turn to buy, purchase the next more expensive beer to show gratitude unless the group has already decided on a favorite. You can also show gratitude by shoplifting some snacks. Your friends will appreciate you generosity and your bravado.

Remember: never throw the guests beer out of the window when being pulled over. It is considered an insult and since all cop cars have video recorders, it is also a wasted effort.

RussianPooper

2011-12-22 10:18:26 AM

I hate it when people like stuff and then talk about why they like stuff. Just consume the stuff already!

Trance750

2011-12-22 10:18:55 AM

degenerate-afro: Sin_City_Superhero: [blog.beerloons.com image 500x500]

Screw the haters. This stuff's cheap.

Piss is free, doesn't mean I'll drink it.

This. About what it taste like, too.

Bruxellensis

2011-12-22 10:19:31 AM

Beer is as complicated as you want it to be.

I've spent the better part of a decade learning about beer, brewing it, and working on my recipes. However, someone with two weeks of experience can still get a feel for what they like, and even make a decent beer at home.

It really doesn't matter what you like. As long as you can find a style that you like, that's great. If the only beer you like can be bought from the doorstep of a Belgian monastery once a year, fine. If you prefer something mass produced, fine.

Cheers.

max_pooper

2011-12-22 10:20:40 AM

Drink whatever the hell you like. Just don't tell me about it.

\Beer is actually much more sophisticated that wine.
\\Wine is just rotten grape juice with very limited flavor profiles.
\\\Why do you think wine snobs have to make shiat up about the flavors they taste.
\\"Woody, circtusy, hints of sassafras, licorice, plum pudding, barbecue sauce and vanilla. It has a nice, piquant after dinner flavor, heady, but with just a touch of mellow smoothness."

mbillips

2011-12-22 10:21:28 AM

Oh, goody, a beer snob thread. With the added bonus of contrarian dismissal of oenology!

Beer has been around for, what, 10,000 years? And it's suddenly become different? Suuuuuuuure it has.

/It's just beer. It makes you burp and fills you up more than superior forms of booze.

Koalaesq

2011-12-22 10:22:05 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: Light beer has it's place. Claiming otherwise shows your ignorance. For all of you saying that Bud Light is piss, I live in the desert. When it's 120 degrees, and you're outside, you don't want a Heinekin Dark, or a Guinness Extra Stout. You want something light and refreshing.

I would assume a Corona Light is *the* perfect drink in that circumstance.

/hell, for me it's the perfect drink for any circumstance

Jake Havechek

2011-12-22 10:22:24 AM

"Sideways" sucked.

I enjoy most beers, macro and micro brews, but I despise that fruity Belgian crap. Blue Moon sucks as well.

Sir Roderick Glossop

2011-12-22 10:22:39 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: Pretentious fanboy number 1.

Counting them is too much work and I'm lazy. I'm counting people I'd drink with. So far I've got you and Ebbelwoi

Orgasmatron138

2011-12-22 10:22:42 AM

tehbeermang: Pocket Ninja: Complicated? What's complicated? Jesus, we've done this before, people. It's very simple.

The beer you like sucks.

If you happen to like a beer I also like, I was drinking it before you.

If you can prove that you were drinking it before me, then I was getting tired of that beer anyway and have recently moved on to much better ones.

I will also post pictures of obscure beer that I found doing Google searches and imply that my refrigerator is stocked top to bottom with them.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there's a reason your posts have a green background.

I know what I don't like. Old Milwaukee gives me a horrible hangover. Budweiser tastes liked canned spinach to me.

Coors doesn't taste like anything. That's why it's excellent on a hot summer day here on the plains.

I like to drink with the seasons. Nothing tastes better than a hoppy IPA (I haven't found one I don't like) in the spring and nothing is better than a bold, syrupy Old Rasputin in the dead of winter. Fat Tire Or Sam Adams go together with football in my world.

But: no matter what, the best beer is free.

I agree with the seasonal. I like light Mexican beers for summer, Guinness for winter, hoppy stuff for spring and fall (Sam Adams tops the list right now). Of course, this also has to agree with what I'm eating. A dark German beer goes great with steak, IMO.

Of course, my basement workshop fridge is full of keystone light.

About two years ago I started to get headaches the day after drinking beer, even if it was one or two. It started with cheap stuff, and then I started getting them even with a good Sam Adams, and I ALWAYS got headaches from wine.

A friend of mine suggested taking an allergy pill before drinking. Worked perfectly - now I don't get headaches at all unless I drank too much and I'm hung over.

Egoy3k

2011-12-22 10:24:21 AM

I'm a huge fan of the propeller brewery in Halifax Nova Scotia. They make a great bitter and last year they had a limited run of 'Russian Revolution', a double fermented stout that was amazing.

Ray_Peranus

2011-12-22 10:24:43 AM

/for breakfast
//with a twizzler straw

BeesNuts

2011-12-22 10:24:50 AM

lerxst2112: genepool lifeboat: OOoooh I love a beer thread! My two newest favs:

[www.theperfectlyhappyman.com image 320x240]

[api.ning.com image 294x456]

I have seen that oatmeal stout at one of the liquor stores in town. May have to check it out.

The banana bread beer, at room temp, hand to god, tastes just like liquid banana bread. It's a miracle.

That said, my beer buddy recently lost his job so the beer journey I've been on for the past 4 years or so is on haitus and we're drinking Yeungling because it's 15 dollars a case around here. If I'm feeling frisky I'll pick up a sixer of something I haven't had before, because life is all about content. And I like accessing new content.

Drink what tastes good, fark the haters.

/Except Cantillon Gueze. That shiat tastes like "sulfur and horseblanket" because of the strain of Brets they use. And that quote comes from a favorable review.

trappedspirit

2011-12-22 10:24:58 AM

Goodfella

2011-12-22 10:25:59 AM

Wine > grain alcohol > beer

BloodySaxon

2011-12-22 10:26:30 AM

Beer IS light years ahead of wine now, and The United States is now the world standard for microbreweries. Nice try dumbassmitter.

/thank you Jimmy Carter, you lovable loser!

jagec

2011-12-22 10:26:49 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: Light beer has it's place. Claiming otherwise shows your ignorance. For all of you saying that Bud Light is piss, I live in the desert. When it's 120 degrees, and you're outside, you don't want a Heinekin Dark, or a Guinness Extra Stout. You want something light and refreshing.

Yep. Like a blonde ale, or an IPA.

For me it's not really macrobrewery hatred so much as not liking lager that much.

Jake Havechek

2011-12-22 10:27:43 AM

Wine is only for Frenchmen, women, and pretentious jerks.

Trance750

2011-12-22 10:28:45 AM

Orgasmatron138: tehbeermang: Pocket Ninja:
I agree with the seasonal. I like light Mexican beers for summer, Guinness for winter, hoppy stuff for spring and fall (Sam Adams tops the list right now). Of course, this also has to agree with what I'm eating. A dark German beer goes great with steak, IMO.

Sam Adams is my drink of choice right now, and really liked their Summer Ale as well as their Octoberfest lager.

I know they have a Chocolate Bock, which I am dying to try, but cannot seem to find it, anywhere.

Their Irish Red is not too shabby, either

Seacop

2011-12-22 10:29:26 AM

I'll drink just about any beer that's available.

6 pack of Sam Adams in the ice box? I'll have one.

Growler of Cape Cod Beer on the bottom shelf? I'll pour a pint

bottle of coors light in the cooler? Sure thing

Mini keg of heineken on the home bar? Fill up the stein

There is only one beer I WILL NOT drink:

youmightbethatguy.files.wordpress.com

BloodySaxon

2011-12-22 10:29:47 AM

RussianPooper: I hate it when people like stuff and then talk about why they like stuff. Just consume the stuff already!

I pictured Fry while reading that.

max_pooper

2011-12-22 10:30:50 AM

jagec: Sin_City_Superhero: Light beer has it's place. Claiming otherwise shows your ignorance. For all of you saying that Bud Light is piss, I live in the desert. When it's 120 degrees, and you're outside, you don't want a Heinekin Dark, or a Guinness Extra Stout. You want something light and refreshing.

Yep. Like a blonde ale, or an IPA.

For me it's not really macrobrewery hatred so much as not liking lager that much.

Do you even know what "lager" means?

Hint: it has absolutely nothing to do with color or flavor.

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