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2003-10-13 04:13:05 PM
There should have been some Philip K Dick somewhere in there as well. That guy had some weird ideas.
 
2003-10-13 04:14:08 PM
59. Nineteen Eighty-Four



Damn straight, that album rocked!
 
2003-10-13 04:14:37 PM
holy SHIAT, cant someone please do something about all the double posting going on? We's gots a little DB problem goin on, methinks...
 
2003-10-13 04:15:05 PM
I can't tell you how happy I am to see 1984 on the list, but I have concur that Atlas Shrugged should be included on the list somewhere.
 
2003-10-13 04:15:59 PM
okay Robert Pirsig's search in his own words:

"What the Metaphysics of Quality would do is take this separate category, Quality, and show how it contains within itself both subjects and objects. The Metaphysics of Quality would show how things become enormously more coherent--fabulously more coherent--when you start with an assumption that Quality is the primary empirical reality of the world....

...but showing that, of course, was a very big job...."

trying to define this basic quality drove him nuts
 
2003-10-13 04:17:10 PM
I'll defend Moby Dick, too. Loved the book the third time I started it. I had the same trouble with 1984. I think there are certain ages when certain books are appropriate.

I'm sure Ulysses will be good at some point. I get further with each attempt and appreciate the approach more each time, but I suspect that's a book to read when you're 40-something.

Magic Mountain - 54, I'm guessing.
You should read Steinbeck and Rand when you're young.
Read the Russians at any time. They work on several levels.
 
2003-10-13 04:18:11 PM
I just wanted to say that to a troll and you gave me an excuse.

Troll? Uh, yeah, I'm the only one in this thread who thought that Atlas Shrugged was preachy...but at least I gave the storyline credit.

You should have saved that jab for a political thread.
 
2003-10-13 04:20:34 PM
I never got Moby Dick. In fact, I never finished it. I started reading it 4 separate times, and gave up within a couple of days out of overwhelming boredom. So I guess I can't fairly criticize it, having never finished it.

Still, I have trouble thinking of anything that boring as a great book.
 
2003-10-13 04:21:14 PM
Gatsby over Tender is the Night? 1984 but not Brave New World? 1984 but not Fareinheit 451? BFG as the best book by Ronald Dahl? Jean-Louis Celine but not Henry Miller, or Sartre? Faust? Where is Faust?

Not knocking the books on the list, just the GLARING lack of authors. Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.
 
2003-10-13 04:21:27 PM
Well at least they didn't cave in to fanboy pressure and give Lord of the Rings top spot. (Book of the milenium my ass)
 
2003-10-13 04:21:41 PM
Gatsby over Tender is the Night? 1984 but not Brave New World? 1984 but not Fareinheit 451? BFG as the best book by Ronald Dahl? Jean-Louis Celine but not Henry Miller, or Sartre? Faust? Where is Faust?

Not knocking the books on the list, just the GLARING lack of authors. Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.
 
2003-10-13 04:22:14 PM
Gatsby over Tender is the Night? 1984 but not Brave New World? 1984 but not Fareinheit 451? BFG as the best book by Ronald Dahl? Jean-Louis Celine but not Henry Miller, or Sartre? Faust? Where is Faust?

Not knocking the books on the list, just the GLARING lack of authors. Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.
 
2003-10-13 04:22:25 PM
Gatsby over Tender is the Night? 1984 but not Brave New World? 1984 but not Fareinheit 451? BFG as the best book by Ronald Dahl? Jean-Louis Celine but not Henry Miller, or Sartre? Faust? Where is Faust?

Not knocking the books on the list, just the GLARING lack of authors. Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.
 
2003-10-13 04:22:39 PM
Savian

Troll? Uh, yeah, I'm the only one in this thread who thought that Atlas Shrugged was preachy...but at least I gave the storyline credit.

If you could find a competent necromancer and speak to Rand herself, she'd probably admit to being preachy in AS. She was preaching in The Fountainhead as well, but she wasn't as loud then 'cos she knew that her plot couldn't support it.
 
2003-10-13 04:23:08 PM
Gatsby over Tender is the Night? 1984 but not Brave New World? 1984 but not Fareinheit 451? BFG as the best book by Ronald Dahl? Jean-Louis Celine but not Henry Miller, or Sartre? Faust? Where is Faust?

Not knocking the books on the list, just the GLARING lack of authors. Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.
 
2003-10-13 04:23:10 PM
Well at least they didn't cave in to fanboy pressure and give Lord of the Rings top spot. (Book of the milenium my ass)
 
2003-10-13 04:23:24 PM
Savian

Troll? Uh, yeah, I'm the only one in this thread who thought that Atlas Shrugged was preachy...but at least I gave the storyline credit.

If you could find a competent necromancer and speak to Rand herself, she'd probably admit to being preachy in AS. She was preaching in The Fountainhead as well, but she wasn't as loud then 'cos she knew that her plot couldn't support it.
 
2003-10-13 04:24:03 PM
Savian

Troll? Uh, yeah, I'm the only one in this thread who thought that Atlas Shrugged was preachy...but at least I gave the storyline credit.

If you could find a competent necromancer and speak to Rand herself, she'd probably admit to being preachy in AS. She was preaching in The Fountainhead as well, but she wasn't as loud then 'cos she knew that her plot couldn't support it.
 
2003-10-13 04:24:10 PM
Gatsby over Tender is the Night? 1984 but not Brave New World? 1984 but not Fareinheit 451? BFG as the best book by Ronald Dahl? Jean-Louis Celine but not Henry Miller, or Sartre? Faust? Where is Faust?

Not knocking the books on the list, just the GLARING lack of authors. Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.
 
2003-10-13 04:24:10 PM
Gatsby over Tender is the Night? 1984 but not Brave New World? 1984 but not Fareinheit 451? BFG as the best book by Ronald Dahl? Jean-Louis Celine but not Henry Miller, or Sartre? Faust? Where is Faust?

Not knocking the books on the list, just the GLARING lack of authors. Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.
 
2003-10-13 04:24:10 PM
Gatsby over Tender is the Night? 1984 but not Brave New World? 1984 but not Fareinheit 451? BFG as the best book by Ronald Dahl? Jean-Louis Celine but not Henry Miller, or Sartre? Faust? Where is Faust?

Not knocking the books on the list, just the GLARING lack of authors. Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.
 
2003-10-13 04:24:49 PM
Gatsby over Tender is the Night? 1984 but not Brave New World? 1984 but not Fareinheit 451? BFG as the best book by Ronald Dahl? Jean-Louis Celine but not Henry Miller, or Sartre? Faust? Where is Faust?

Not knocking the books on the list, just the GLARING lack of authors. Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.
 
2003-10-13 04:24:52 PM
Gatsby over Tender is the Night? 1984 but not Brave New World? 1984 but not Fareinheit 451? BFG as the best book by Ronald Dahl? Jean-Louis Celine but not Henry Miller, or Sartre? Faust? Where is Faust?

Not knocking the books on the list, just the GLARING lack of authors. Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.
 
2003-10-13 04:25:04 PM
I'm just happy that I'm not banned...
 
2003-10-13 04:25:09 PM
Gatsby over Tender is the Night? 1984 but not Brave New World? 1984 but not Fareinheit 451? BFG as the best book by Ronald Dahl? Jean-Louis Celine but not Henry Miller, or Sartre? Faust? Where is Faust?

Not knocking the books on the list, just the GLARING lack of authors. Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.
 
2003-10-13 04:25:26 PM
Egad, Magic Mountain, if you want to get into a deep depression, then this is a must read. A good deathbed read.

As to the Proust being on this list; it is only recommended if you have half a year to kill, and are pigheaded enough to slog your way through paragraphs that that are pages, and pages long, giving descriptions of mundane things.

I think that I'm going to reread Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow again, to see if I can understand it all. Way too many obscure references.
 
2003-10-13 04:26:51 PM
Savian, Rand herself would probably admit that she was being preachy. And then she'd say you had a poor sense of life or that you should check your premises. She didn't always practice what she preached.
 
2003-10-13 04:34:05 PM
WHERE IS GONE WITH THE WIND????
 
2003-10-13 04:34:22 PM
What about 'Fahrenheit 451'? That belongs there if anything does. 'Catcher in the Rye' sucks. Salinger can write, there's no doubt, but the story just isn't worth hearing.
 
2003-10-13 04:35:07 PM
Whoever decided to put the SbB girls in pink tank tops was a frickin' genius
 
2003-10-13 04:38:03 PM
I'm so very sorry, but Pratchett deserves to be on this list about one hundred times more than Rand does. He's much more interesting, empathetic, honest and concise.
 
2003-10-13 04:38:51 PM
9 ...

I hated Catcher in the Rye, and I was in High School when I read it. Nothing like a whiny asshat running around being a whiny asshat. Of all the books that I wish I could un-read, this is tops among them. (Second was some dime-novel pr0n my buddy showed me in sixth grade. Farked me up for life.)

The rest of the ones I've read I'd agree with, pretty much. I was surprised to see Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, but pleased others think highly of it.

Naturally, I'd love to see more Russian on the list. The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov is arguably better than much there. Likewise for Crime and Punishment, Dead Souls, and We.
 
2003-10-13 04:56:44 PM
Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.

yea, it's only "real art" if almost no one likes it.
 
2003-10-13 04:56:50 PM
Meh, Journalism, as Rilke says, is a cheap knock-off of real art.

yea, it's only "real art" if almost no one likes it.
 
2003-10-13 04:57:09 PM
yeah
 
2003-10-13 04:57:15 PM
unemployed-philosopher, i totally agree about ethan frome. have you seen the movie? o my god.

and just about anything by anne rice would have me happy, but nooooo.
 
2003-10-13 04:57:18 PM
What books are good seems a very subjective subject. Cause it isn't plot, it isn't style its something ineffable. Some of you liket Atlas Shrugged. Put me to sleep. I liked Catch-22. That put Webgrunt to sleep.
So is the list Bullpoop? Not hardly. Some books speak to a whole bunch of people, people of different times and cultures. Those are classics. No, they won't be classics to everyone, but they still count.

Oh, and those of you who like Steinbeck? In Dubious Battle . You haven't live till you've read that one. Better than OMAM IMHO.
 
2003-10-13 04:57:19 PM
George R.R. Martin needs to be on that list. in a few years his novels will become the as popular as LOTR.

Allan Dean Foster ghost wrote Star Wars, should be on that list.

Why are all the books published in the 1800's? why do we still praise these out of touch bastards. there shiat is outdated and overrated, we need to move on and stop making highschool students read books they can't relate to and even finish.
 
2003-10-13 04:58:43 PM
I just wish someone had killed both Bronte sisters before they had a chance to put anything on paper. I despise them.
 
2003-10-13 04:58:44 PM
Me and teh close tag...we no friends no more Indeed ...
 
2003-10-13 04:59:32 PM
Fred Durst has nothing to say about this list.
 
2003-10-13 05:01:29 PM
# 297 Foucault's Pendulum
 
2003-10-13 05:02:23 PM
if this list is serious ( and ti probaly isnt) i feel like an uncultured swin, i had bnever heard of half of these.


P.s no one should be forced on " the scarlet letter" i'll read anything, just not that
 
2003-10-13 05:02:24 PM
Daveman I completely agree with you about Catcher in the Rye, but anytime I've expressed this opinion people tell me "I just didn't get it" ???? (whatever that means?)

I'm just excited that "Things Fall apart" and "The Picture of Dorian Gray" both made the list.


*****
 
2003-10-13 05:02:28 PM
Ive read 12 of these, not counting childrens versions of some like Robinson Crusoe and Gullivers Travels.
So if you count that, Ive read 14. Hehe.
Nice list to read though.
 
2003-10-13 05:02:32 PM
Yeah this is some person's opinion, thats very different from mine. I don't think it is based on sales either, otherwise harry potter would have been on the list. It does like like a high school reading list though.
 
2003-10-13 05:02:33 PM
Good novels that I can't believe no one has mentioned:

Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco
Burr by Gore Vidal
The Hobbit by JRR Tolkien
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Philip K Dick

Also yes it was criminal to leave Kurt Vonnegut off this list: Breakfest of Champions and Player Piano are simply awesome

just my $.02 worth
 
2003-10-13 05:02:59 PM
Emma and anything else by Jane Austen can suck it.
 
2003-10-13 05:03:01 PM
Vocifericiuss
That book was hard to read. I think I almost understood it.
 
2003-10-13 05:05:01 PM
Cheesy_Poof_Man: Gatsby over Tender is the Night? ...

Yes, dammit! Now get over it and stop saying that!
 
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