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(Huffington Post)   A Girl Scouts troop's decision to admit a 7-year-old transgender child this fall has prompted three leaders to resign and dissolve their troops. Guess they'll all forfeit their tolerance badges   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 560
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2011-12-23 03:20:37 AM  
As a black man trapped in a white man's body I'm offended by some of the posts here
 
2011-12-23 03:32:53 AM  

Novart: As a black man trapped in a white man's body I'm offended by some of the posts here


Now you are just being a Jerk.

:-D
 
2011-12-23 08:24:08 AM  
Ha ha, look at all the reactionary butthurt when someone's personal claim of knowing just what she was when she was 7 is questioned at all. your defensive reactions betray your surety in this matter.
 
2011-12-23 09:24:52 AM  

Gothnet: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: No, we really cannot investigate that, because we are in no position to.

We are in a position to investigate the ideas, that's called a discussion.

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Elsewise, there's nothing to prevent the thread from careening off into pure speculation about absolutely anything and everything (more than it has already).

I thought that was the point of fark?

Seriously, half of your post there seems just to say "well we could discuss what we think, but what would be the point in that?"


Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Any public discussion around transgender issues that doesn't involve suspicions or allegations of mental problems on the part of those asserting it about themselves or someone close to them. I

Can you really blame people for that when a mother is claiming it for her seven year old? As many have pointed out, seven year olds don't know anything, it's perfectly reasonable to raise suspicions about the mother at this point.


And here we go, straight into the fog again. This is exactly what I was talking about. Metadiscussion -- which is clearly preferable to actual discussion on Fark -- makes it possible to completely detatch ourselves from the anchor points of the original subject, and completely recast the reality as we see fit. At that point, discussion becomes entirely academic, and for that all but useless. I won't indulge any more of it. I will discuss this from TFA's perspective, not one you invent because you find it easier.

As others in the thread (which you may or may not have read in full, it's hard to tell) have pointed out, transgender kids often are aware at a very early age. They don't see it the same way, or use the same language, of course, because they're not coming at their own reality from the perspective of someone with years of constructed paradigms. There were even professional citations in the thread; did you not see them? Several people in the thread testified personally to this experience; are their claims baseless? Or are we, as I asked further up, voting on this? Do the 'many' outweigh the several? If so, then you win by default, since there are more of you than of us, and no further discussion is warranted. Because if you're going to take the hybrid position that the 'many' get to beat the fewer into agreement, then I'm having none of it. I've spent nearly my whole life battling that, and I won't cotton to anyone's half-assed, self-serving pseudoforensics. Argue the facts or define an arbitrary resolution, but you can't have both.

If you've got a thesis, press it. If you want to try to dismantle someone else's thesis, go for it. But don't sit there and speculate that anything is possible -- because anything IS possible, and if you go that route, all discussion automatically becomes academic, rather than constructive. In short, don't argue like a toked-up college sophomore; it's incredibly boring.
 
2011-12-23 12:51:28 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: And here we go, straight into the fog again. This is exactly what I was talking about. Metadiscussion -- which is clearly preferable to actual discussion on Fark -- makes it possible to completely detatch ourselves from the anchor points of the original subject, and completely recast the reality as we see fit. At that point, discussion becomes entirely academic, and for that all but useless. I won't indulge any more of it. I will discuss this from TFA's perspective, not one you invent because you find it easier.

As others in the thread (which you may or may not have read in full, it's hard to tell) have pointed out, transgender kids often are aware at a very early age. They don't see it the same way, or use the same language, of course, because they're not coming at their own reality from the perspective of someone with years of constructed paradigms. There were even professional citations in the thread; did you not see them? Several people in the thread testified personally to this experience; are their claims baseless? Or are we, as I asked further up, voting on this? Do the 'many' outweigh the several? If so, then you win by default, since there are more of you than of us, and no further discussion is warranted. Because if you're going to take the hybrid position that the 'many' get to beat the fewer into agreement, then I'm having none of it. I've spent nearly my whole life battling that, and I won't cotton to anyone's half-assed, self-serving pseudoforensics. Argue the facts or define an arbitrary resolution, but you can't have both.

If you've got a thesis, press it. If you want to try to dismantle someone else's thesis, go for it. But don't sit there and speculate that anything is possible -- because anything IS possible, and if you go that route, all discussion automatically becomes academic, rather than constructive. In short, don't argue like a toked-up college sophomore; it's incredibly boring.




Everybody shut up because I'm right?
Gotcha.
 
2011-12-23 10:55:43 PM  

Gothnet: Everybody shut up because I'm right?
Gotcha.


Also don't argue like a high school sophomore. People might think you are one.
 
2011-12-24 06:31:30 AM  

Gothnet: We are in a position to investigate the ideas, that's called a discussion.


It's called "making shiat up", in point of fact.
 
2011-12-24 11:03:58 AM  

Mock26: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Holy farking shiat....is this whole thread really about what defines a male and a female? For all of you that are saying " ooh...it's a mental state that defines gender...ooh". No it doesn't. Guys have a big fat hairy dick hanging between their legs, girls don't (That's the actual Webster's definition btw).

This state of appeasement that we are trying to build is just ridiculous. He is physically a boy....he should go to BOY scouts. Maybe this kid's mom should shy away from clubs that are based on gender if his isn't so easily defined. If he's gay then he should still go to boy scouts and yes, they should be tolerant. The girl scouts wrote their rule book long before kids wanted to cut their dicks off before middle school.

I feel for him/her/whatever because he has made a decision that is going to make EVERY choice difficult for the rest of his life. And yeah, before you can say anything emo kids....being transgender at age 7 is 100% a choice. Being gay is not be a choice, but going for gusto sure the fark is. Just because your mind is confused and you don't know how to deal with it AT AGE FARKING 7, doesn't mean you have to jump off the proverbial deep end just to be "true to yourself" in the SECOND GRADE. This thread makes me hate society. And you, if you're reading this....I hate you too. lol

By the way, 7 year old boys are not allowed in the Boy Scouts.

/Just saying.


Cub Scouts
then Weblos
the Boy Scouts

Why two distinct groups are separated by gender lines is still an anachronism in an enlightened society. But we're in the USA.
 
2011-12-24 11:06:03 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Mock26: MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.

And what if the child has both nuts and a coont? What then, of great fountain of wisdom?

(Yeah, yeah, know the child in question is not a hermaphrodite, but just wondering what you have to say on this.)

Plenty of other clubs that can be joined without controversy. Why pick the hardest (giggity)? If it was my kid, I would try to make his life as easy as I could, even if it meant sheltering him/her from things that are probably not fair.


You sound like you're bad at parenting.
 
2011-12-25 10:39:14 AM  
To be Unclean
- That is the mark of the Mutant
To be Impure
- That is the mark of the Mutant
To be Abhorred
- That is the mark of the Mutant
To be Reviled
- That is the mark of the Mutant
To be Hunted
-That is the mark of the Mutant
To be Purged
- That is the fate of the Mutant
To be Cleansed
- For that is the fate of all Mutants
 
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