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2011-12-22 02:06:43 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Our society is truly sick if it believes a 7 y.o. is "transgender."

I knew I was transgender when I was 7.


I'm waiting for you to fulfil your fark obligations to that comment...
 
2011-12-22 02:07:18 PM  
Ah hem... hehehehe Surely you are getting a kick.
 
2011-12-22 02:09:45 PM  
Im all for tolerance of gender and sexual preference but this is not good. A child this age is certainly not mature enough to decide that they want to be another gender. Children change their minds like their socks, daily. Most children this age still refuse to eat their vegetables because they smell "funny."

I understand this is not my child, but any parent that wouldnt say to their child "lets wait another few years and see if you still feel this way" and instead buys them different clothes, and changes their hair is much more immature than their child. I honestly wonder what sort of conversation this mother had with her child that the child actually proposed a good enough argument for their decision that made her think "well i can't argue against that!"

This child's mother should undergo psychological evaluation to determine if she should be allowed to hold custody of her child. Tolerance or not, this child is just way too young to understand the rough road of life ahead being "different."
 
2011-12-22 02:12:25 PM  

Peekachicka: A child this age is certainly not mature enough to decide that they want to be another gender. Children change their minds like their socks, daily. Most children this age still refuse to eat their vegetables because they smell "funny."


You can't make sweeping generalizations about children like this. You could say, *most* children aren't mature enough. But something like gender identity can be absolutely intrinsic. It's not a mater of maturity, it's a matter of certainty of how they self-identify with a gender.
 
2011-12-22 02:14:02 PM  

Peekachicka: Im all for tolerance of gender and sexual preference but this is not good. A child this age is certainly not mature enough to decide that they want to be another gender. Children change their minds like their socks, daily. Most children this age still refuse to eat their vegetables because they smell "funny."

I understand this is not my child, but any parent that wouldnt say to their child "lets wait another few years and see if you still feel this way" and instead buys them different clothes, and changes their hair is much more immature than their child. I honestly wonder what sort of conversation this mother had with her child that the child actually proposed a good enough argument for their decision that made her think "well i can't argue against that!"

This child's mother should undergo psychological evaluation to determine if she should be allowed to hold custody of her child. Tolerance or not, this child is just way too young to understand the rough road of life ahead being "different."




WhyteRaven74: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Our society is truly sick if it believes a 7 y.o. is "transgender."

I knew I was transgender when I was 7.




I'm guess WhyteRaven74's comment is going to be met with a chorus of *crickets* from folks who just know a 7 year old is too young to think this way...
 
2011-12-22 02:21:34 PM  

Peekachicka: Im all for tolerance of gender and sexual preference but this is not good. A child this age is certainly not mature enough to decide that they want to be another gender. Children change their minds like their socks, daily. Most children this age still refuse to eat their vegetables because they smell "funny."

I understand this is not my child, but any parent that wouldnt say to their child "lets wait another few years and see if you still feel this way" and instead buys them different clothes, and changes their hair is much more immature than their child.


In the interests of not being hypocritical, would you advise a parent of a child who says "I want to be my socially-accepted gender" to tell them to "wait another few years and see if you still feel this way"?
Should we return to the age when all children below a certain age, regardless of gender, wore dresses and had their hair long?
 
2011-12-22 02:24:56 PM  

Theaetetus: Peekachicka: Im all for tolerance of gender and sexual preference but this is not good. A child this age is certainly not mature enough to decide that they want to be another gender. Children change their minds like their socks, daily. Most children this age still refuse to eat their vegetables because they smell "funny."

I understand this is not my child, but any parent that wouldnt say to their child "lets wait another few years and see if you still feel this way" and instead buys them different clothes, and changes their hair is much more immature than their child.

In the interests of not being hypocritical, would you advise a parent of a child who says "I want to be my socially-accepted gender" to tell them to "wait another few years and see if you still feel this way"?
Should we return to the age when all children below a certain age, regardless of gender, wore dresses and had their hair long?


Think of the dress code cost savings!
 
2011-12-22 02:27:03 PM  

Peekachicka: I understand this is not my child, but any parent that wouldnt say to their child "lets wait another few years and see if you still feel this way" and instead buys them different clothes, and changes their hair is much more immature than their child.


Really? Seems to me maturity is a parent saying: "My child, I take your feelings seriously, and won't dismiss this just because it's going to be difficult and inconvenient and many nosy people just aren't going to try to understand. But you're my kid. Your health and happiness are important to me, and you can count on me to have your back, no matter how this plays out.

So go ahead and live as a girl for a while, see if it's right for you, and if you still feel the same when you're old enough to start the permanent part (and mature enough to consent to it, if not quite yet legally), then we can get together with our GP and reevaluate."
 
2011-12-22 02:30:40 PM  

osafer: Gdalescrboz: How about "it's none of your farking business, dickwad?"

Gdalescrboz: technicolor-misfit 2011-12-22 06:44:44 AM

Gdalescrboz: The "tolerance" argument is what people use when they can't think of anything to say that makes sense. If your argument is "you are wrong because you are intolerant," then you are wrong.


How about "it's none of your farking business, dickwad?"


If the girl is happier, if her parents are at peace with it, if the GSA is accepting of it, and if if the girls and parents of the troop she belongs to have no problem with it... then how about you take your farking nose out of their business and put in a goddamn book for a few minutes and try to knock some of the steaming pile stupid off your farking noggin.

You also someone is wrong when they turn to insults. On a side note, you complety missed my point. If you can't come up with a better argument that "you are intolerant," then it doesnt sound liek you have a very good argument


No hate like liberal hate...

Liberals have tolerance of other people's views as long as it agrees with theirs or you are labeled a racist, sexist, or whatever ___ist.



Yeah, you have no tolerance for how other people to live their lives.

Yeah, I have no tolerance for your desire to tell others how they should live their lives.


I'm comfortable with that stand.


"Oh, it's always 'be tolerant of the Jews! be tolerant of the Jews!' but then you have no tolerance for our desire to exterminate the Jews. You criticize us for hating the Jews, but then you hate us... You're such hypocrites!"
 
2011-12-22 02:31:05 PM  

keylock71:


WhyteRaven74: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Our society is truly sick if it believes a 7 y.o. is "transgender."

I knew I was transgender when I was 7.



I'm guess WhyteRaven74's comment is going to be met with a chorus of *crickets* from folks who just know a 7 year old is too young to think this way...


No crickets here, a child this age is not allowed to do a lot of things because they are not mature enough to think of all the positives and negatives thoroughly. A child this age is not going to think of being harassed in high school gym class because they can not change with the girls and the guy are probably going to shove them in a locker. They are not going to be able to realize the side effects of the drugs they'll be taking or how they're going to explain to their prom date that they can not do the deed because theyre both the same sex.

Im glad that you realized that you were transgender at such a young age. Some people struggle with those thoughts their entire life. However, did you and your parents sit down and have a conversation about it? When it was over did they start buying you opposite sex clothing and change your hair and name? Or was this something that you had to do on your own?
 
2011-12-22 02:32:20 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: [i42.tinypic.com image 400x300]
He feels like he's white, so there's nothing wrong here. Right?


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N*gger trapped in white boy's body. He can rap, really.
 
2011-12-22 02:34:23 PM  
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It's not our fault we weren't BORN as minorities in a tough urban environment.

WIGGER RIGHTS NOW!
 
2011-12-22 02:39:11 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste: I'm waiting for you to fulfil your fark obligations to that comment...

7 year olds dude...

Peekachicka: A child this age is certainly not mature enough to decide that they want to be another gender.

I knew at that age, and nothing changed.
 
2011-12-22 02:41:47 PM  

Peekachicka: However, did you and your parents sit down and have a conversation about it?


Not back then, my parents would've been through the roof if I had said anything back then. But parents who are understanding are hardly unheard of. Also find parents who when their kid comes out go "We knew all along".
 
2011-12-22 02:43:46 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Uchiha_Cycliste: I'm waiting for you to fulfil your fark obligations to that comment...

7 year olds dude...


I was thinking, Surely you are getting a kick.
 
2011-12-22 02:43:55 PM  
can't wait to see this kid on Intervention in about 8 years....
 
2011-12-22 02:44:21 PM  

Theaetetus: Peekachicka: Im all for tolerance of gender and sexual preference but this is not good. A child this age is certainly not mature enough to decide that they want to be another gender. Children change their minds like their socks, daily. Most children this age still refuse to eat their vegetables because they smell "funny."

I understand this is not my child, but any parent that wouldnt say to their child "lets wait another few years and see if you still feel this way" and instead buys them different clothes, and changes their hair is much more immature than their child.

In the interests of not being hypocritical, would you advise a parent of a child who says "I want to be my socially-accepted gender" to tell them to "wait another few years and see if you still feel this way"?
Should we return to the age when all children below a certain age, regardless of gender, wore dresses and had their hair long?



We could also return to the age when boys wore pink and girls wore blue. I could care less. My concern about this child is strictly about their future. Being able to realize whats ahead of them. You can tell a child over and over not to play by the lake because they could drown, they're not able to understand when you try to explain death to them. Children just do not have the same logical mind as teens and they do not have the same logical minds as adults.

If my child at 15 told me he wanted to be a girl, having survived the first year of high school (the beginning of realizing how cruel people can be) I'd say lets go to Pennys! If my child at 7 told me he wanted to be a girl Id be calling his school counselor trying to find out whats going on at school that my son hasnt told me about (bullying, none of the boys want to play with him, etc).
 
2011-12-22 02:46:24 PM  
I'm guess WhyteRaven74's comment is going to be met with a chorus of *crickets* from folks who just know a 7 year old is too young to think this way...



Yep. One individual's personal experiences trump all others' arguments
 
2011-12-22 02:47:16 PM  

Peekachicka: Theaetetus: Peekachicka: Im all for tolerance of gender and sexual preference but this is not good. A child this age is certainly not mature enough to decide that they want to be another gender. Children change their minds like their socks, daily. Most children this age still refuse to eat their vegetables because they smell "funny."

I understand this is not my child, but any parent that wouldnt say to their child "lets wait another few years and see if you still feel this way" and instead buys them different clothes, and changes their hair is much more immature than their child.

In the interests of not being hypocritical, would you advise a parent of a child who says "I want to be my socially-accepted gender" to tell them to "wait another few years and see if you still feel this way"?
Should we return to the age when all children below a certain age, regardless of gender, wore dresses and had their hair long?


We could also return to the age when boys wore pink and girls wore blue. I could care less. My concern about this child is strictly about their future. Being able to realize whats ahead of them. You can tell a child over and over not to play by the lake because they could drown, they're not able to understand when you try to explain death to them. Children just do not have the same logical mind as teens and they do not have the same logical minds as adults.


I'm not sure of the validity of comparing "dressing like a girl" to "drowning in a lake". Perhaps we should take a poll of how many people dress like a girl and are still alive?

If my child at 15 told me he wanted to be a girl, having survived the first year of high school (the beginning of realizing how cruel people can be) I'd say lets go to Pennys! If my child at 7 told me he wanted to be a girl Id be calling his school counselor trying to find out whats going on at school that my son hasnt told me about (bullying, none of the boys want to play with him, etc).

What if your child at 7 told you he wanted to be a boy? Would you be calling his school counselor, too? Obviously not. That's the hypocrisy I'm pointing out.
 
2011-12-22 02:48:42 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste: Surely you are getting a kick.

Oh there's that too :D

Peekachicka: the beginning of realizing how cruel people can be

Not everyone goes to a high school where people are mean. Not all teenagers are cruel, not by a long shot. And teenagers are not innately cruel.
 
2011-12-22 02:49:28 PM  
doubled99: One individual's personal experiences trump all others' arguments

Well you could go ask other transgender people and you'd find the same answer over and over again.
 
2011-12-22 02:54:31 PM  

doubled99: I'm guess WhyteRaven74's comment is going to be met with a chorus of *crickets* from folks who just know a 7 year old is too young to think this way...



Yep. One individual's personal experiences trump all others' arguments


They do when all the other arguments seem to be of the "I just know" gut feeling variety with zero facts.

But please, do feel free to explain how it's impossible for a child to know they're transgendered at that age.
Dazzle us with your brilliance.
 
2011-12-22 02:56:47 PM  

doubled99: I'm guess WhyteRaven74's comment is going to be met with a chorus of *crickets* from folks who just know a 7 year old is too young to think this way...

Yep. One individual's personal experiences trump all others' arguments


Or maybe peer reviewed studies that have been duplicated (new window) trumps random internet forum opinions on the matter.
 
2011-12-22 02:58:41 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Uchiha_Cycliste: Surely you are getting a kick.

Oh there's that too :D


So, uh, do we call you Shirley? =P
 
2011-12-22 03:00:35 PM  

The Kitchen Ninja: doubled99: I'm guess WhyteRaven74's comment is going to be met with a chorus of *crickets* from folks who just know a 7 year old is too young to think this way...

Yep. One individual's personal experiences trump all others' arguments

Or maybe peer reviewed studies that have been duplicated (new window) trumps random internet forum opinions on the matter.


Nice try. I'm not going to take anything that guy says about human sexuality seriously. Look at that beard! And the ponytail!

/now, if he wanted to talk about Warcraft or something...
 
2011-12-22 03:04:03 PM  

Theaetetus: Peekachicka: Theaetetus: Peekachicka: Im all for tolerance of gender and sexual preference but this is not good. A child this age is certainly not mature enough to decide that they want to be another gender. Children change their minds like their socks, daily. Most children this age still refuse to eat their vegetables because they smell "funny."

I understand this is not my child, but any parent that wouldnt say to their child "lets wait another few years and see if you still feel this way" and instead buys them different clothes, and changes their hair is much more immature than their child.

In the interests of not being hypocritical, would you advise a parent of a child who says "I want to be my socially-accepted gender" to tell them to "wait another few years and see if you still feel this way"?
Should we return to the age when all children below a certain age, regardless of gender, wore dresses and had their hair long?


We could also return to the age when boys wore pink and girls wore blue. I could care less. My concern about this child is strictly about their future. Being able to realize whats ahead of them. You can tell a child over and over not to play by the lake because they could drown, they're not able to understand when you try to explain death to them. Children just do not have the same logical mind as teens and they do not have the same logical minds as adults.

I'm not sure of the validity of comparing "dressing like a girl" to "drowning in a lake". Perhaps we should take a poll of how many people dress like a girl and are still alive?

If my child at 15 told me he wanted to be a girl, having survived the first year of high school (the beginning of realizing how cruel people can be) I'd say lets go to Pennys! If my child at 7 told me he wanted to be a girl Id be calling his school counselor trying to find out whats going on at school that my son hasnt told me about (bullying, none of the boys want to play with him, etc).

What if your ch ...


If my male child said he wanted to be a boy, I wouldn't see a problem with it. He is a boy. If my male child said he wanted to be a girl I'd try to get to the root cause of those feelings, be it some sort of gender identity disorder, bullying at school, whatever. It's not hypocrisy at all to try to figure out why a male is saying the wish they were a girl, or that they want to be a girl.
 
2011-12-22 03:04:49 PM  
At the age of 7 I knew I was really an elephant. Therefore, I am an elephant.
 
2011-12-22 03:07:01 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Peekachicka: However, did you and your parents sit down and have a conversation about it?

Not back then, my parents would've been through the roof if I had said anything back then. But parents who are understanding are hardly unheard of. Also find parents who when their kid comes out go "We knew all along".


Probably because by the age they have thought it through completely and feel they can explain, also defend, their decision logically and maturely the parents have witnessed years of it. This does in no way make me an expert in this discussion, but I read a few blogs where transgenders were caught with mom's heels under their bed. Eventually after years of finding her favorite pair missing the mom just said "keep em." Thats just awesome! That is understanding.

However, I can not possibly merge "understanding" with "mature" or "responsible." Hearing from your child that they want to be transgender and wanting to help them learn more about their decision so when theyre old enough to buy their own makeup they have lots of support and knowledge about their decision (books for transgender children, taking them to transgender support groups, etc) is understanding and mature. Taking your 7 year old to Pennys to get new clothes and filling out the paper work to change their name is not understanding, its insane!
 
2011-12-22 03:07:29 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste: So, uh, do we call you Shirley? =P

If I'd picked up my coffee cup before I read that, you'd owe me a keyboard :D
 
2011-12-22 03:10:27 PM  
Peekachicka: Probably because by the age they have thought it through completely and feel they can explain, also defend, their decision logically and maturely the parents have witnessed years of it

In some cases, yes. In some cases no. In some cases the parents just add one and one together without even really thinking about it. Granted that can leave them in the position of wanting to bring it up but not wanting their kid to feel startled.

Taking your 7 year old to Pennys to get new clothes and

What's insane about that? Clothes are just clothes.
 
2011-12-22 03:10:41 PM  

Peekachicka: Taking your 7 year old to Pennys to get new clothes and filling out the paper work to change their name is not understanding, its insane!


The mother in this story hasn't done any such paperwork, so I'm not sure where you're pulling that from.
And for the other - giving your child your shoes is "understanding", but buying the child their own shoes is "insane"?
 
2011-12-22 03:12:18 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Uchiha_Cycliste: So, uh, do we call you Shirley? =P

If I'd picked up my coffee cup before I read that, you'd owe me a keyboard :D


So close! drat
 
2011-12-22 03:13:36 PM  

stryker4526: If my male child said he wanted to be a boy, I wouldn't see a problem with it. He is a boy. If my male child said he wanted to be a girl I'd try to get to the root cause of those feelings, be it some sort of gender identity disorder, bullying at school, whatever. It's not hypocrisy at all to try to figure out why a male is saying the wish they were a girl, or that they want to be a girl


Uh, yeah, that is hypocrisy.

There's also some misogyny wrapped up in it, too... Many people have no problems with girls that want to be boys - e.g. "tomboys" - and will happily buy them boys' clothes and cut their hair short. We don't suggest that they're insane or that they're abusing their daughters. But, as you say, we need to figure out why someone would wish they were a girl.
 
2011-12-22 03:15:15 PM  

lohphat:
Whatever appended to teaching kids to be good people first notepad of tribal tools?


Did you... have a stroke right there?
Might want to get that looked at.

/Sorry, couldn't resist
 
2011-12-22 03:22:43 PM  
As for clothes, they change over time. Used to be baby boys got put in dresses just like girls.

upload.wikimedia.org

That's Gerald Ford as a baby.
 
2011-12-22 03:22:56 PM  

IrishBlunder:
See, there you go again - I've become "you people" - your intolerance is showing again. And FWIW, I myself am quite capable of dealing with it - but I can tell ya right here the majority of pretty much everyone that I know is not. And not only does one have to deal with the sensitivites of "[THOSE] PEOPLE"; but also with a 7 year old potentially TG child who has to suffer the reactions thereof.


Oh, I see. You're concerned about her. What would you tell her? That she should live as a boy so as not to suffer the indignity of abuse at the majority of pretty much everyone you know?
 
2011-12-22 03:29:33 PM  

Theaetetus: stryker4526: If my male child said he wanted to be a boy, I wouldn't see a problem with it. He is a boy. If my male child said he wanted to be a girl I'd try to get to the root cause of those feelings, be it some sort of gender identity disorder, bullying at school, whatever. It's not hypocrisy at all to try to figure out why a male is saying the wish they were a girl, or that they want to be a girl

Uh, yeah, that is hypocrisy.

There's also some misogyny wrapped up in it, too... Many people have no problems with girls that want to be boys - e.g. "tomboys" - and will happily buy them boys' clothes and cut their hair short. We don't suggest that they're insane or that they're abusing their daughters. But, as you say, we need to figure out why someone would wish they were a girl.


No, it isn't hypocrisy or misogyny you tool.
There's a huge difference between being effeminate or tomboyish and actually wishing you were a member of the opposite gender.
Yes, if I had a female child who was saying they wished they were a boy I'd try to find out the root cause of that as well.
But I guess the distinction between being a tomboy/effeminate male and gender dysphoria is lost on you.
 
2011-12-22 03:33:21 PM  

ByOwlLight: Girl Scout Promise:

On my honor, I will try:
To serve god and my country, to help people at all times, and to live by the Girl Scout Law.

Girl Scout Law:

I will do my best to be:
Honest and fair, friendly and helpful, considerate and caring, courageous and strong, and responsible for what I say and do,
And to:
Respect myself and others, respect authority, use resources wisely, make the world a better place, and be a sister to every Girl Scout.

/Fark 'em if they can't abide by the Law.
//You'll always have sisters, little chick, regardless of what some asshats think, say, or do.


Damn straight.

Speaking as a former Girl Scout, if a transgender had wanted in with any troop I'd been in, we'd have welcomed her with open arms. (Okay, maybe a bit of teasing from the jackasses, but those jackasses were usually court-ordered there and vanished pretty fast.)

This isn't sexuality. The kid doesn't know if she wants to stick it in girls, boys, or ducks. She's got a girl brain. What part of that is so hard to understand? There's brain, there's body, and that makes gender. Sometimes the wrong brain gets stuck in the body.

That kid is welcome in the GSA I know, and probably welcome in the GSA the world knows. She's got sisters everywhere.
 
2011-12-22 03:36:58 PM  

PsiChick: This isn't sexuality. The kid doesn't know if she wants to stick it in girls, boys, or ducks. She's got a girl brain. What part of that is so hard to understand? There's brain, there's body, and that makes gender. Sometimes the wrong brain gets stuck in the body.


So Girl Scouts is only about what you are in your mind? Does that mean that there's a way a girl can behave that would exclude her from being a Girl Scout?

Is the same true for Boy Scouts?
 
2011-12-22 03:38:22 PM  

daveinsurgent: PsiChick: This isn't sexuality. The kid doesn't know if she wants to stick it in girls, boys, or ducks. She's got a girl brain. What part of that is so hard to understand? There's brain, there's body, and that makes gender. Sometimes the wrong brain gets stuck in the body.

So Girl Scouts is only about what you are in your mind? Does that mean that there's a way a girl can behave that would exclude her from being a Girl Scout?

Is the same true for Boy Scouts?


I wouldn't bring Boy Scouts into this... They're still dealing with the 20,000 documented cases of child rape that they've been hiding for a few decades.
 
2011-12-22 03:38:44 PM  
Twenty years ago, people would be taking the child away and slapping the mother. Also, twenty years ago "sex" and "gender" meant EXACTLY the same thing. It's only in recent years as liberal activists have gotten ahold of the words that the meanings have diverged. What a difference a couple of decades make. And what a brave new world we live in.
 
2011-12-22 03:39:01 PM  

PsiChick: ByOwlLight: Girl Scout Promise:

On my honor, I will try:
To serve god and my country, to help people at all times, and to live by the Girl Scout Law.

Girl Scout Law:

I will do my best to be:
Honest and fair, friendly and helpful, considerate and caring, courageous and strong, and responsible for what I say and do,
And to:
Respect myself and others, respect authority, use resources wisely, make the world a better place, and be a sister to every Girl Scout.

/Fark 'em if they can't abide by the Law.
//You'll always have sisters, little chick, regardless of what some asshats think, say, or do.

Damn straight.

Speaking as a former Girl Scout, if a transgender had wanted in with any troop I'd been in, we'd have welcomed her with open arms. (Okay, maybe a bit of teasing from the jackasses, but those jackasses were usually court-ordered there and vanished pretty fast.)

This isn't sexuality. The kid doesn't know if she wants to stick it in girls, boys, or ducks. She's got a girl brain. What part of that is so hard to understand? There's brain, there's body, and that makes gender. Sometimes the wrong brain gets stuck in the body.

That kid is welcome in the GSA I know, and probably welcome in the GSA the world knows. She's got sisters everywhere.


*he
We refer to things with penises as he, dear.
 
2011-12-22 03:39:14 PM  

Jobber8742: Kudos to the Girl Scout troop for being accepting. There isn't a real reason to exclude this child other than other people's butthurt. But, this child will never be fully accepted as a girl. This kid can certainly not play on a girl's sports team, nor should she be allowed to. There are physical differences between boys and girls, and unfortunately you can't just let this child play on the girl's team. It is unfair, but to let the child play, it would be unfair to the other girls.

I am completely ignorant of this whole transgender thing. At seven, how do you tell the difference between a boy who just likes pretty things and a boy who believes he should be a girl? I don't think the Boobieser in this thread was being hateful in what he said, he just lacked tact in wondering this same thing.


They usually say it. Loudly, repeatedly, with dresses, and as obnoxiously as possible. Little boys do quite often like 'girl things', but they also quite loudly say 'I'm a boy'. Transgender will say as loudly as possible 'I'm a girl'.

/Interesting reading: Google 'third gender'.
//Enough cultures have them so science is starting to define gender and sex differently--i.e. the brain\society makes the gender, the plumbing makes the sex, and sometimes you've got two opposites in one person.
 
2011-12-22 03:42:17 PM  
I hope we can all agree that the mother arranging for her 7 year old child to be on CNN is absolutely ATTENTION WHORING.
 
2011-12-22 03:43:10 PM  

Theaetetus: I wouldn't bring Boy Scouts into this... They're still dealing with the 20,000 documented cases of child rape that they've been hiding for a few decades.


But it's intolerant to not let homosexuals be scoutmasters.
 
2011-12-22 03:49:00 PM  

Peekachicka: WhyteRaven74: Peekachicka: However, did you and your parents sit down and have a conversation about it?

Not back then, my parents would've been through the roof if I had said anything back then. But parents who are understanding are hardly unheard of. Also find parents who when their kid comes out go "We knew all along".

Probably because by the age they have thought it through completely and feel they can explain, also defend, their decision logically and maturely the parents have witnessed years of it. This does in no way make me an expert in this discussion, but I read a few blogs where transgenders were caught with mom's heels under their bed. Eventually after years of finding her favorite pair missing the mom just said "keep em." Thats just awesome! That is understanding.

However, I can not possibly merge "understanding" with "mature" or "responsible." Hearing from your child that they want to be transgender and wanting to help them learn more about their decision so when theyre old enough to buy their own makeup they have lots of support and knowledge about their decision (books for transgender children, taking them to transgender support groups, etc) is understanding and mature. Taking your 7 year old to Pennys to get new clothes and filling out the paper work to change their name is not understanding, its insane!


I don't think you are framing this the right way, it's not a boy saying I want to be a girl, or I want to be transgender. It's a boy saying I AM a girl. That *makes* the boy transgender.
 
2011-12-22 03:56:25 PM  

stryker4526: PsiChick: ByOwlLight:
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We refer to things with penises as he, dear.


Do you really need me to Google this for you? We live in a bigendered culture.

This is not a universal, because there are some people who have the brains of women, but the bodies of men. Or vice-versa.

This girl is not capable of being a boy, point-blank. She is a girl. She has the wrong plumbing, but she is a girl. Not 'wants to be', is. Her brain is designed as a girl's brain. Penis has jack shiat to do with it.
 
2011-12-22 04:03:28 PM  

Theaetetus:


I'm not sure of the validity of comparing "dressing like a girl" to "drowning in a lake". Perhaps we should take a poll of how many people dress like a girl and are still alive?

If my child at 15 told me he wanted to be a girl, having survived the first year of high school (the beginning of realizing how cruel people can be) I'd say lets go to Pennys! If my child at 7 told me he wanted to be a girl Id be calling his school counselor trying to find out whats going on at school that my son hasnt told me about (bullying, none of the boys want to play with him, etc).

What if your ch ...


Children are unable to completely understand the effect of their decisions. Parents try to teach their children possible events that may transpire after their actions. Sort of like "if you put your finger in the socket you'll get shocked" or "if you don't go to bed right now you'll have something to cry about." This child can not possibly understand what results from proclaiming to society that theyre transgender. Just as a child whom has never drowned understand why playing by the lake without adult supervision is bad. These are things we, as parents, try to explain but they are lessons that are more likely to be learned from experience.


I used the boy to girl because of this article. Plus I have a boy. If I had a girl, I would be calling the school counselor all the same. I would be wondering if she was in a class with more boys than girls. If she was at a new school or in a class where she only had a few friends from her previous class I would be wondering how she is getting along with her peers. If she had an older brother I would probably drill him about not allowing her to play because she is a girl. If that was happening.
 
2011-12-22 04:08:06 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Our society is truly sick if it believes a 7 y.o. is "transgender."

I knew I was transgender when I was 7.


Bullshiat.
 
2011-12-22 04:13:10 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Peekachicka: Probably because by the age they have thought it through completely and feel they can explain, also defend, their decision logically and maturely the parents have witnessed years of it

In some cases, yes. In some cases no. In some cases the parents just add one and one together without even really thinking about it. Granted that can leave them in the position of wanting to bring it up but not wanting their kid to feel startled.

Taking your 7 year old to Pennys to get new clothes and

What's insane about that? Clothes are just clothes.



Or maybe the kid wasnt transgender or gay the whole time! Ouch that would be an awkward mistake lol.

Lets not be coy here we both know that the average member of society would gawk, stare, point and make remarks about a boy dressed as a girl. I wish clothes were just clothes, but theyre not. If clothes were just clothes then I could go to Big Bird in my bath robe, night gown and slippers without having to worry about the manager kicking me out.
 
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