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2011-12-22 12:13:29 PM

buck1138: BraveNewCheneyWorld: buck1138: Shall I keep my 7 year old black child out of your white school for fear that I might be attention whoring?

You are so farked in the head if you're seriously equating racial segregation with girl scouts.

The GSA has no problem allowing the child to participate. You, on the other hand, do.


Probably because they don't want to deal with a few thousand people like you, who feel that rules should be broken because they feel like it. Plenty of organizations cave to vocal idiots, what's new? That still doesn't explain why you think this is anything like racial segregation.
 
2011-12-22 12:15:32 PM
gregoryn: How the hell is a 7 year old going to know they are transgender?

I knew when I was 7.
 
2011-12-22 12:16:27 PM

gregoryn: How the hell is a 7 year old going to know they are transgender? Someone had to have put that in his head.


Yeah, its called biology (new window)
 
2011-12-22 12:16:36 PM

Blues_X: I know a guy who has been gay since he was at least 5 yrs old. Even in kindergarten, he acted and felt differently than all the other boys. And it wasn't related to sexual desire.

So the know-it-alls here can fark off.


Was it you?

/I kid, I kid
//Was it?
 
2011-12-22 12:17:02 PM
BraveNewCheneyWorld: Probably because they don't want to deal with a few thousand people like you

How about because unlike you they're not narrow minded knuckledraggers?
 
2011-12-22 12:17:43 PM
osafer:
Not saying it right, but, Yes, this 7 year old may have repercussions later in life because his loon of a mother decided to take his private sexual development into the public forum. But she is making the choices for him, and she should do what makes her feel good, right?


You know how I can tell you are a dumbfark clueless twat who is just talking out of thier ass over something they know nothing about?

This has nothing to do with sexual development. Its GENDER development. Sexual development is the "whom and what" you decide you want to sleep with - either be with a member of the same sex, opposite sex -- or even both.

Gender development, is the development of how you identify with your own body and how you fill into the "roles" society perceives you should act. They are mutually exclusive.

And the mother just want her child to live the life "she" wants to live. And if that means that "he" wants to join the Girl Scouts -- then so be it -- and if people want to throw a intolerant hissy fit over it - then thats their right. (A farking troop in another state no less) But those intolerant back water farks can go to hell as far as I'm concerned, because they are not acting like Christians, thats for sure.
 
2011-12-22 12:17:46 PM

keylock71: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: rant

Added Rachelle Trujillo, vice president for communications of the Colorado Girl Scouts: "If a child is living as a girl, that's good enough for us. We don't require any proof of gender."

The Colorado Troop in question apparently doesn't have a problem with it. Some backwoods fundamentalists in Louisiana do.


There was a controversy on Long Island when I was a kid over a player on a middle school girl's soccer team. One of the girls was sort of big and strong for her age, and a coach of another team got someone to "check" whether she was a girl or a boy. I wonder if this is what people are advocating?
 
2011-12-22 12:22:11 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: buck1138: BraveNewCheneyWorld: buck1138: Shall I keep my 7 year old black child out of your white school for fear that I might be attention whoring?

You are so farked in the head if you're seriously equating racial segregation with girl scouts.

The GSA has no problem allowing the child to participate. You, on the other hand, do.

Probably because they don't want to deal with a few thousand people like you, who feel that rules should be broken because they feel like it. Plenty of organizations cave to vocal idiots, what's new? That still doesn't explain why you think this is anything like racial segregation.


BraveNewCheneyWorld: buck1138: BraveNewCheneyWorld: buck1138: Shall I keep my 7 year old black child out of your white school for fear that I might be attention whoring?

You are so farked in the head if you're seriously equating racial segregation with girl scouts.

The GSA has no problem allowing the child to participate. You, on the other hand, do.

Probably because they don't want to deal with a few thousand people like you, who feel that rules should be broken because they feel like it. Plenty of organizations cave to vocal idiots, what's new? That still doesn't explain why you think this is anything like racial segregation.


I'm pretty sure the south "don't want to deal" with "a few thousand people" who were "vocal idiots" because they felt jim crow laws "should be broken", but they ended up having to.

/You will never see the resemblance between racial segregation and anti LGBT attitudes because you are a bigot.
 
2011-12-22 12:22:42 PM

Blues_X: he acted and felt differently than all the other boys


I don't think you should be feeling kindergarten boys at all...much less enough of them to compare.
 
2011-12-22 12:23:16 PM

gregoryn: How the hell is a 7 year old going to know they are transgender? Someone had to have put that in his head.


"Mommy says I was born in the wrong body."

"That's good, sweetie, but try it again without the mommy says part."

"I was born in the wrong body."

Very good! See, I told you attention whoring would be fun!"
 
2011-12-22 12:26:11 PM

WhyteRaven74: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Probably because they don't want to deal with a few thousand people like you

How about because unlike you they're not narrow minded knuckledraggers?


Ah yes, because I don't confuse sex with gender, I'm a knuckledragger. Call the kid feminine all you want. Hell, I'll agree with that completely, but he's not a girl, and doesn't belong in girl scouts. I'm sure that even though the leadership of their girl scouts admitted him, there's plenty of girls in the scouts who aren't happy about it. It's an organization for them after all, and he's not one of them, no matter what you tell yourself.

But do keep up the insults and factless opinions on what you think makes a boy or a girl, it only shows that your position really is ludicrous and indefensible.
 
2011-12-22 12:27:57 PM

sweetmelissa31: There was a controversy on Long Island when I was a kid over a player on a middle school girl's soccer team. One of the girls was sort of big and strong for her age, and a coach of another team got someone to "check" whether she was a girl or a boy. I wonder if this is what people are advocating?


I wouldn't doubt it...

I had a girl on my hockey team back when I was playing JV hockey in high school. Monique was her name.
She was bigger and tougher than most of the boys on the team. Nobody went easy on her during games and she held her own pretty well.

We try to squeeze kids into these narrowly defined gender roles and it's so ridiculous when you stop and think about it.
 
2011-12-22 12:28:22 PM

lilplatinum: What about XXY or various other trisomys?


It's an interesting question. I agree that, ideally, it would nice to be as accommodating as practical for those with genetic deformities such as this. At some point though, I think going beyond practicality places too much onus on everyone else. The vast majority of trysome, since you bring them up, result in down's syndrome, and other forms of mental retardation. (actually the majority result in a miscarriage or still birth, but let's assume we are talking about live births).

Mental retardation is an interesting and very close analogue to the gender identity issue, in that it causes a mental state out of synch with physical age. Specifically we can measure the mental age of someone, and in persons with the aforementioned genetic deformities, the mental age is out of synch with observable physical age.

So this made me wonder about someone who is affected in multiple ways by a chromosomal error. Suppose we have men who not only self-identify as girls, but also have a mental age of seven years old. In his mind, he is a 7 year old. Just like the boy who, in his mind, is a girl. But do we really want to start admitting 40 year old retarded men as girl scout members to go out camping with the girls? For me personally, that probably crosses over the line to where the onus of accommodating specific genetic deformities starts to place others in a very awkward or uncomfortable situation.
 
2011-12-22 12:30:39 PM

kotton: osafer:
Not saying it right, but, Yes, this 7 year old may have repercussions later in life because his loon of a mother decided to take his private sexual development into the public forum. But she is making the choices for him, and she should do what makes her feel good, right?

You know how I can tell you are a dumbfark clueless twat who is just talking out of thier ass over something they know nothing about?

This has nothing to do with sexual development. Its GENDER development. Sexual development is the "whom and what" you decide you want to sleep with - either be with a member of the same sex, opposite sex -- or even both.

Gender development, is the development of how you identify with your own body and how you fill into the "roles" society perceives you should act. They are mutually exclusive.

And the mother just want her child to live the life "she" wants to live. And if that means that "he" wants to join the Girl Scouts -- then so be it -- and if people want to throw a intolerant hissy fit over it - then thats their right. (A farking troop in another state no less) But those intolerant back water farks can go to hell as far as I'm concerned, because they are not acting like Christians, thats for sure.


files.sharenator.com

You got me I called it sexual development instead of gender development, that now makes all my points invalid.

Oh, and fark off you no class assclown...
 
2011-12-22 12:30:57 PM

Theaetetus: osafer: Theaetetus: osafer: Theaetetus: osafer: Theaetetus: osafer: gameshowhost: FSM do I hope some of you miserable people DIAF, slowly and painfully, today. NO ONE CHOOSES WHERE ONE ENDS UP ON THE GENDER SPECTRUM.

/YOU PEOPLE RDJ.JPG HAW HAR HURR
//*wondering how to rid the planet of some of you intolerant dumbfarks*

You realize no one is picking on the kid, right? People are screaming about his farking mother who is making a 7 year live as a transgender. I am not saying the kid can't be effeminate or even gay, but to say he is transgender at this age is crazy .

Your own tolerance level may need re-calibrated, just saying...

Where did you get your medical degree from? And what specific branch of psychiatry do you specialize in?

Right back at you champ...

Sure. While I don't have a medical degree, the proposed DSM-V includes gender dysphoria in children, and advocates social and legal transition to the preferred gender as a valid response. And those guys all have medical degrees.

So, unlike you, I'm not pulling shiat out of my ass. Which, incidentally, is classified as a disorder in the DSM.

So you would have no problem with this kid at the tender age of 7 to have surgery to remove his penis?

Gender reassignment surgery? Don't know. I'm not a doctor. I'd have no problem asking a doctor whether it's something that should be done before or after puberty, due to the release of hormones from the testes.
But then, I'm not an arrogant asshole who wants to force my opinion on people I don't know.

... and you know, that's in the DSM, too. You should take a look... you apparently have a lot of problems.

You know how I know when I won an argument?

When you start whining about name-calling (that you've been doing)* and dodging all of the legitimate arguments? I'm not sure "won" is the proper term there.

*Plus, I wasn't calling you an arrogant asshole. I was saying that anyone who presumes to "have a problem" with a private medical decision between a doctor and patient they've never met is an arrogant asshole. Are you volunteering for that label?


Can I have your autograph?
Seriously.
 
2011-12-22 12:33:39 PM

buck1138: I'm pretty sure the south "don't want to deal" with "a few thousand people" who were "vocal idiots" because they felt jim crow laws "should be broken", but they ended up having to.


LMAO, you're basically saying there should be no criteria based clubs on the planet if you really can't see the difference between scouts and segregation laws. Why not make everyone wear the same uniform, eat the same food while you're at it. Or maybe you can just get over the fact that not every group of people wants to include you in everything they do.
 
2011-12-22 12:37:01 PM
Some of you people are taking this a bit too seriously. Step back. Breath a bit. Then realize, you are not in the Girl Scouts.
 
2011-12-22 12:37:15 PM

RminusQ: So why hate it so much?

Because others use the penis to define you,


OK, so hate them for beings pen1ss. Don't hate part of your own self. Be a fabulous girl with a great wang but PLEASE don't hate yourself because people can be d1cks. I just hate for people to hate on themselves if they don't deserve it.
 
2011-12-22 12:41:44 PM

keylock71: The My Little Pony Killer: So that's three whole troops of little girls who get to miss out on scouting just because their troop leaders felt the need to act bigoted toward a 7-year-old. Lovely.

A 7 year old in a completely different state and Troop, I might add...

It's hilarious watching some folks in this thread get all worked up about a 7 year old transgendered kid being allowed into the Girls Scouts.

The Troop, in question has no problem with it.

So why do so many of folks in this thread have a problem with it and, more importantly, why do they care what a Girl Scout Troop in Colorado does?

The Puritans really did a job on our national psyche regarding sexuality and gender, I tell ya...


It still amazes me, the number of people who see something new and absolutely *refuse* to ask themselves, "hey, is what that person doing with their life personally harming me in mine?"

/blocking the bigots brought this thread from 8 pages down to 3
 
2011-12-22 12:42:15 PM
Is this child Native American by any chance?

Two-Spirit People (new window)
 
2011-12-22 12:44:39 PM
so a boy can join the girl scouts now? well that doesn't make sense
 
2011-12-22 12:44:58 PM

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: RminusQ: So why hate it so much?

Because others use the penis to define you,

OK, so hate them for beings pen1ss. Don't hate part of your own self. Be a fabulous girl with a great wang but PLEASE don't hate yourself because people can be d1cks. I just hate for people to hate on themselves if they don't deserve it.


I half expected you to call it the Gyrl Scouts.
 
2011-12-22 12:46:03 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: buck1138: I'm pretty sure the south "don't want to deal" with "a few thousand people" who were "vocal idiots" because they felt jim crow laws "should be broken", but they ended up having to.

LMAO, you're basically saying there should be no criteria based clubs on the planet if you really can't see the difference between scouts and segregation laws. Why not make everyone wear the same uniform, eat the same food while you're at it. Or maybe you can just get over the fact that not every group of people wants to include you in everything they do.


Just read your profile, are you trolling me? If not I guess you win cause I don't really have the energy to continue this.
 
2011-12-22 12:46:49 PM

PraetorianXVIII: so a boy can join the girl scouts now? well that doesn't make sense


*Obi Wan voice*

He's more female than male, now.

*Obi Wan voice off*
 
2011-12-22 12:48:42 PM

osafer: You know how I know when I won an argument?


osafer: Oh, and fark off you no class assclown...


^^^ Like this?
 
2011-12-22 12:49:52 PM
I'm all for tolerance but where do we draw the line? I feel like I should be a girl? Too farking bad, you're not! Be gay if you like boys or be a sissy if you like feminine things (Metro sexual I guess is the accepted term). I see no reason for society to put up with this kind of goofiness. I suddenly decided I should be a woman so don't mind me hanging out in the women's bathroom.
 
2011-12-22 12:50:55 PM

lilplatinum: you should substantiate your claims for good orders sake


it's really cute how you think the internet works this way. adorable, actually.

in 30 years, you'll be trying to explain to your grandkids (if you're still alive) why you stood in the way of equal rights and a progressive view of gender identification, or you'll be lying and saying that you were on the right side the whole time. Either way, you'll know you were wrong. You're going to lose this fight, because the younger generations don't have a stick up their asses like you do.

Also, substantiate my claims for good orders sake? You're hilarious.
 
2011-12-22 12:51:45 PM

MooseUpNorth: osafer: You know how I know when I won an argument?

osafer: Oh, and fark off you no class assclown...

^^^ Like this?


Actually that was in response to him calling me names.... I know I shouldn't have, but you sometimes you have to stoop to their level to get your point across...

Thanks, for pointing out my pettiness.
 
2011-12-22 12:54:34 PM

PraetorianXVIII: so a boy can join the girl scouts now? well that doesn't make sense


Is that really such a mindfark for you?

Wiki: In 1972, Scouts Canada began accepting female members as part of its Rover Section. This was expanded in 1984 to include the Venturer Section. In 1992, co-ed Scouting was an option for all program sections and became policy for all sections in 1998.

I figure, in another generation, the Girl Guides of Canada will have wound up merging with Scouts Canada.
 
2011-12-22 12:56:48 PM

hitlersbrain: I'm all for tolerance but where do we draw the line?


No idea, but I feel safe in suggesting that offing Jews, gypsies and gays by the millions would be somewhere on the "too intolerant" side of that line.
 
2011-12-22 12:57:06 PM

MooseUpNorth: PraetorianXVIII: so a boy can join the girl scouts now? well that doesn't make sense

Is that really such a mindfark for you?

Wiki: In 1972, Scouts Canada began accepting female members as part of its Rover Section. This was expanded in 1984 to include the Venturer Section. In 1992, co-ed Scouting was an option for all program sections and became policy for all sections in 1998.

I figure, in another generation, the Girl Guides of Canada will have wound up merging with Scouts Canada.


First, the metric system and Neil Young, now this? Canada really is all about coming up with ways to mess with us.
 
2011-12-22 01:03:36 PM
www.dvdactive.com
 
2011-12-22 01:05:27 PM
i.ytimg.com

perhaps this'll work
 
2011-12-22 01:05:44 PM

CapnBlues: in 30 years, you'll be trying to explain to your grandkids (if you're still alive) why you stood in the way of equal rights and a progressive view of gender identification, or you'll be lying and saying that you were on the right side the whole time. Either way, you'll know you were wrong. You're going to lose this fight, because the younger generations don't have a stick up their asses like you do.


As inevitable as the waters flowing into the sea. The intolerant eventually get dragged into the future, usually kicking and screaming, and the rest of us will shake our heads sadly, pity them, and wonder at how people could ever have been so ignorant, deluded, and amoral.

... While we kick the doors down on the next barrier to social justice caused by discrimination.
 
2011-12-22 01:07:46 PM
I cannot relate at all to transgender people. I don't know at all what it is like to be so certain you are in the wrong body. I do know youngsters are very confused, and I know they crave attention. And, if they feel like insisting they are really a different sex will get attention, they will do it. That said, I believe there are many legitimate cases, and I think psychological help should be enlisted to help these children sort out whether they are legitimate.

As for TFA, these Christians are bigoted idiots.
 
2011-12-22 01:08:45 PM
Only boy in a tent full of girls?
I wanna be a girl scout, I wanna be a girl scout
 
2011-12-22 01:08:48 PM

osafer: Actually that was in response to him calling me names.... I know I shouldn't have, but you sometimes you have to stoop to their level to get your point across...

Thanks, for pointing out my pettiness.


Forgive my brief pedanticism, but what you did was engage in hypocrisy. Had you started it, then it would have been engaging in pettiness.

/ But sure.
 
2011-12-22 01:09:53 PM

I_C_Weener: First, the metric system and Neil Young, now this? Canada really is all about coming up with ways to mess with us.


Ya gotta have hobbies, right?
 
2011-12-22 01:11:46 PM
I'm so glad I self identified as a pony when I was 5.

//lude
 
2011-12-22 01:15:28 PM

Baryogenesis: Your intelligent and well thought out post astounds me. Transgender == different species. Simply amazing!


The box has been opened, give it time and this will be tested.
 
2011-12-22 01:16:29 PM

MooseUpNorth: hitlersbrain: I'm all for tolerance but where do we draw the line?

No idea, but I feel safe in suggesting that offing Jews, gypsies and gays by the millions would be somewhere on the "too intolerant" side of that line.


You're just four legged herbivore with big goofy antlers, what do you know?
 
2011-12-22 01:21:44 PM

MooseUpNorth: PraetorianXVIII: so a boy can join the girl scouts now? well that doesn't make sense

Is that really such a mindfark for you?

Wiki: In 1972, Scouts Canada began accepting female members as part of its Rover Section. This was expanded in 1984 to include the Venturer Section. In 1992, co-ed Scouting was an option for all program sections and became policy for all sections in 1998.

I figure, in another generation, the Girl Guides of Canada will have wound up merging with Scouts Canada.


boys and girls can do venture scouting in the US, too. I don't mind that. It's the Venture Scouts--not the BOY Scouts.
It isn't a "mindfark," so much as an annoyance, kind of like when the history channel has Ice Road Truckers or the learning channel shows Toddlers and Tiaras. You'd figure the former would show "history shows," the latter, "learning" shows, and the GIRL SCOUTS would cater to GIRLS.
 
2011-12-22 01:24:35 PM

stuffy: Only boy in a tent full of girls?
I wanna be a girl scout, I wanna be a girl scout


I've always felt I was a lesbian, trapped in a man's icky body.

Seriously though. I think this kid could use some help. In toady's world there are very few things that are limited to one sex or the other. If pretending to be something you're not is your way of getting through the day then I think you have problems.
 
2011-12-22 01:29:15 PM

MooseUpNorth: hitlersbrain: I'm all for tolerance but where do we draw the line?

No idea, but I feel safe in suggesting that offing Jews, gypsies and gays by the millions would be somewhere on the "too intolerant" side of that line.


Doing the same to lawyers and/or politicians would be OK though.
 
2011-12-22 01:32:04 PM

CayceP: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

Yes. Gender presentation and who you like to fark are different things.

/I am sure this thread will be thoughtful and respectful.


I don't want to be pedantic, but who says "sexual identity" has anything with who you like to fark? I think, and correct me if I'm out of line, Gig103, but in that context, I think "sexual identity" is interchangeable with "gender". Sexual preference on the other hand would imply "who you like to fark", but if I'm correct--that the question was about gender (i.e. the gender with which you align yourself), I think it's a valid question. I'm not saying the child isn't transgender, but I do think that 7-years old is too young to make that decision, essentially FOR the child. I didn't read the whole article, so I may be missing things, but I wouldn't dismiss the point out-of-hand.
 
2011-12-22 01:43:43 PM
So, Santa Cruz has a pre-school/pre-kindergarden/(maybe)kindergarden for transgender kids. A couple of thanksgivings ago I had the opportunity to meet a family who was visiting Santa Cruz to check out the school for their child, a 5 year old boy who knew he was a girl. Now, I need to stress that the kid KNEW he was a girl. Expected that he was a girl, and didn't really have a choice in the matter. To him, he was simply a her.
I have to say, everyone here who claims that kids can't possibly identify with a gender that young whould really try to seek out one of these kids and talk to them before being such self-assured judgmental assholes. You are claiming that you are the master of all because this makes you uncomfortable, and because it involves kids, and should be ashamed.
 
2011-12-22 01:45:19 PM
I feel sorry for this little kid. Obviously the parents are encouraging this derangement and the girls scouts - and most of you - have now validated it. Our society is truly sick if it believes a 7 y.o. is "transgender."
 
2011-12-22 01:48:13 PM

mciann: IrishBlunder: So, your high horse? Get off it. Some parents out there don't even know that asthma isn't contagious. And *most* children aren't psychologically equipped to deal with gender issues even if their parents are, so have a care. This is a little *boy* with gender issues and even at the current level of societal tolerance for such things there are still going to be problems. CanisNoir was correct and dealing with the fact of the situation and not freaking out at the peener.

OK, let me get this straight. Because YOU PEOPLE aren't psychologically equipped to deal with the fact that binary physically indicated gender is a fantasy, we should ... what exactly? Go away? Be invisible?


See, there you go again - I've become "you people" - your intolerance is showing again. And FWIW, I myself am quite capable of dealing with it - but I can tell ya right here the majority of pretty much everyone that I know is not. And not only does one have to deal with the sensitivites of "[THOSE] PEOPLE"; but also with a 7 year old potentially TG child who has to suffer the reactions thereof.

And, "no", I didn't even *begin* to imply that transgenderism should be hidden under a rock - just that discretion is the better part of valor for FARKIN 7 YEAR OLD CHILDREN.

And unless you're trying to argue for SRS surgery for young children, your swimming example is pretty damn stupid. There are lots of ways to manage that situation. On the scale of daily challenges TGs have to deal with, that doesn't rate.

And as I said, the swimming issue is an *example*, (and I also illustrated the locker room/clothes changing issue as well) but you don't want to see anything but your issue. If you think that's the only potential pitfall for this kid (as well as his peers) then I have to wonder about your own ability to deal with children when they're not your own - or at all.

You, my friend, need counselling - not for TG issues, but for a level of obsessiveness that would risk trauma to a 7 year-old to deal with (promote..?) your own issue. I've dealt with kids on gender issues, cancer, psoriasis, and other sensitive bits (no AIDS kids to date that I know of) so I'm not completely talking out of my ass as much as you appear to be. My experience isn't clinical or academic - it's everyday shiat out in the real world where kids interact with other kids, and sometimes less-than-tolerant parents. It requires some measure of reasonable delicacy, not taking a sledgehammer to the "[vile and repulsive piece of flesh between your legs]" - which, one might note, you seem to be advocating for this kid *way* more than I am (which I'm not, BTW).

So, good luck with that. Maybe a few shots of tequila, or a bong-hit or something. Or maybe even just a deep breath or two.
 
2011-12-22 01:54:18 PM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: One girl was called Jean Marie,
Another little girl was called Felicity,
Another little girl was Sally Joy,
The other was me, and I'm a boy.


I'm a boy, I'm a boy, but my Ma won't admit it;
I'm a boy, I'm a boy, but if I say I am I get it.
 
2011-12-22 02:03:30 PM
Contrabulous Flabtraption: Our society is truly sick if it believes a 7 y.o. is "transgender."

I knew I was transgender when I was 7.
 
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