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2011-12-22 07:27:17 AM
I want to have my stain of bacteria admitted to the girl scouts.

phil.cdc.gov

Sure, it's a different species, but you would only know that if you observed it.

Whatsamatter? Where's your tolerance?
 
2011-12-22 07:28:28 AM

BillCo: This mother needs to be arrested for child abuse. She couldn't be damaging this poor boy more if she beat him daily. Children shouldn't be used as a tool to promote your own deviant ideas.


How do you know for sure it's the mothers idea? Also physical abuse is very damaging to a child. It leads to an adult who almost cowers when anyone raises their voice because they're afraid that the next thing to happen will be a beating.

/Ask me about the arm my dad broke when I was 4 because I wasn't getting out of the car fast enough.
 
2011-12-22 07:29:00 AM
If a kid wants to pretend to be a space alien do we all have to go along with it?
 
2011-12-22 07:29:13 AM

A Terrible Human: Dadoody: Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.

[i.imgur.com image 251x189]

Can we start with you?



Be glad this isn't a furry thread.

/+1 to the WH40K reference.
 
2011-12-22 07:30:57 AM

SevenizGud: I want to have my stain of bacteria admitted to the girl scouts.

[phil.cdc.gov image 640x428]

Sure, it's a different species, but you would only know that if you observed it.

Whatsamatter? Where's your tolerance?




What a remarkably well reasoned point...
 
2011-12-22 07:31:18 AM

duffblue: I had hope for fark before I realized it's just another hugbox for people who think trannies are something other than mentally ill.


You seem to be unfamiliar with prenatal brain development...I recommend suing whoever taught you high school biology.

Or sue your Intelligent Designer...he's probably got deeper pockets.
 
2011-12-22 07:32:51 AM
Holy farking shiat....is this whole thread really about what defines a male and a female? For all of you that are saying " ooh...it's a mental state that defines gender...ooh". No it doesn't. Guys have a big fat hairy dick hanging between their legs, girls don't (That's the actual Webster's definition btw).

This state of appeasement that we are trying to build is just ridiculous. He is physically a boy....he should go to BOY scouts. Maybe this kid's mom should shy away from clubs that are based on gender if his isn't so easily defined. If he's gay then he should still go to boy scouts and yes, they should be tolerant. The girl scouts wrote their rule book long before kids wanted to cut their dicks off before middle school.

I feel for him/her/whatever because he has made a decision that is going to make EVERY choice difficult for the rest of his life. And yeah, before you can say anything emo kids....being transgender at age 7 is 100% a choice. Being gay is not be a choice, but going for gusto sure the fark is. Just because your mind is confused and you don't know how to deal with it AT AGE FARKING 7, doesn't mean you have to jump off the proverbial deep end just to be "true to yourself" in the SECOND GRADE. This thread makes me hate society. And you, if you're reading this....I hate you too. lol
 
2011-12-22 07:33:49 AM

MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.


And what if the child has both nuts and a coont? What then, of great fountain of wisdom?

(Yeah, yeah, know the child in question is not a hermaphrodite, but just wondering what you have to say on this.)
 
2011-12-22 07:39:29 AM

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Holy farking shiat....is this whole thread really about what defines a male and a female? For all of you that are saying " ooh...it's a mental state that defines gender...ooh". No it doesn't. Guys have a big fat hairy dick hanging between their legs, girls don't (That's the actual Webster's definition btw).

This state of appeasement that we are trying to build is just ridiculous. He is physically a boy....he should go to BOY scouts. Maybe this kid's mom should shy away from clubs that are based on gender if his isn't so easily defined. If he's gay then he should still go to boy scouts and yes, they should be tolerant. The girl scouts wrote their rule book long before kids wanted to cut their dicks off before middle school.

I feel for him/her/whatever because he has made a decision that is going to make EVERY choice difficult for the rest of his life. And yeah, before you can say anything emo kids....being transgender at age 7 is 100% a choice. Being gay is not be a choice, but going for gusto sure the fark is. Just because your mind is confused and you don't know how to deal with it AT AGE FARKING 7, doesn't mean you have to jump off the proverbial deep end just to be "true to yourself" in the SECOND GRADE. This thread makes me hate society. And you, if you're reading this....I hate you too. lol


By the way, 7 year old boys are not allowed in the Boy Scouts.

/Just saying.
 
2011-12-22 07:40:17 AM

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: rant


I'll direct you to the article:

The Girl Scouts of Colorado subsequently released a statement through the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) in support of Archuleta and her excluded daughter, noting, "If a child identifies as a girl and the child's family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout."

Added Rachelle Trujillo, vice president for communications of the Colorado Girl Scouts: "If a child is living as a girl, that's good enough for us. We don't require any proof of gender."



The Colorado Troop in question apparently doesn't have a problem with it. Some backwoods fundamentalists in Louisiana do.
 
2011-12-22 07:41:42 AM
/BillCo: This mother needs to be arrested for child abuse. She couldn't be damaging this
/poor boy more if she beat him daily. Children shouldn't be used as a tool to promote your
/own deviant ideas.

2/10
You're trying too hard. Bound to get some bites tho
 
2011-12-22 07:41:44 AM

SevenizGud: I want to have my stain of bacteria admitted to the girl scouts.

[phil.cdc.gov image 640x428]

Sure, it's a different species, but you would only know that if you observed it.

Whatsamatter? Where's your tolerance?


Ha ha ha! Yeah! It's just like that whole black people in the back of the bus thing! Now they want to let bacteria ride in the front of the bus!

Ha ha ha! Bacteria in the front of the bus!

As if!
 
2011-12-22 07:42:42 AM

Mock26: MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.

And what if the child has both nuts and a coont? What then, of great fountain of wisdom?

(Yeah, yeah, know the child in question is not a hermaphrodite, but just wondering what you have to say on this.)


Plenty of other clubs that can be joined without controversy. Why pick the hardest (giggity)? If it was my kid, I would try to make his life as easy as I could, even if it meant sheltering him/her from things that are probably not fair.
 
2011-12-22 07:43:22 AM
Situation 1: Boy decides to be feminine before even going to school with little input from peers, etc.

Situation 2: farked up granola-eating faux hippie latte swilling "parent" decides that she wanted to have a girl all along, and screw genetics. Dresses the child as a girl from early age and from the time it could speak, has been subtly "offering" the child a female gender

...paging Dr. Occam...

It's true that gender identity is a matter of personal preference (notice I refrained from using the word "choice") and this should be respected...but it's also true that a massively huge number of parents treat their children as combination doll/experiments with little regard to the child's eventual well-being. Maybe we're lucky with this case...

But I doubt it.
 
2011-12-22 07:44:07 AM

give me doughnuts: So if parents ever come into the workplace trying to fund-raise for their kids in American Heritage Scouts (Boys and Girls), please be so kind as to spit in their eye.


If that not tolerances,I don't know what is....
 
2011-12-22 07:44:18 AM

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Plenty of other clubs that can be joined without controversy. Why pick the hardest (giggity)? If it was my kid, I would try to make his life as easy as I could, even if it meant sheltering him/her from things that are probably not fair.


Thing is the troop this kid belongs to had no issues with her. It's just some fundie twats in Louisiana being twats.
 
2011-12-22 07:44:56 AM
Thats fine, the GSA can do whatever they want in this instance.

but my GIRL SCOUT wont be sharing tents, bathrooms or activities with a girlwithboyparts scout.
 
2011-12-22 07:45:27 AM

keylock71: Why would a bunch of hicks in Louisiana care what a Troop in Colorado does?


Well, duh. The answer is pretty obvious. Transgender means gay, and if a transgender (gay) boy is allowed into a Girl Scout troop in Colorado then any girl or leader who comes in contact or close proximity with that child then that person becomes gay. And once teh gay infects one person then it will first start to spread up the chain of command and from there spread back down the chain of command to different states then districts then troops. And before you know it all the girl scouts in Louisiana are gay.
 
2011-12-22 07:46:20 AM

Hair Salad: Sounds to me like Mommy wanted a girl.


+1

The sooner we admit a sort of psycho-social Munchausen by proxy syndrome is at work in many of these cases -- along with the explosion in "diagnoses" of snowflakes suffering from this mental disorder or that psychological problem -- the closer we'll get to reality. And sanity.
 
2011-12-22 07:46:26 AM
Seems it worked out well for everyone. The intolerant folks went to their echo-chamber knockoff of Girl Scouts, and the main organization is better for it. GSA rocks.
 
2011-12-22 07:47:43 AM

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Holy farking shiat....is this whole thread really about what defines a male and a female? For all of you that are saying " ooh...it's a mental state that defines gender...ooh". No it doesn't. Guys have a big fat hairy dick hanging between their legs, girls don't (That's the actual Webster's definition btw).


A person's sex and gender are different things.

/how many times should this be repeated in the thread?

SevenizGud: I want to have my stain of bacteria admitted to the girl scouts.

[phil.cdc.gov image 640x428]

Sure, it's a different species, but you would only know that if you observed it.

Whatsamatter? Where's your tolerance?


Your intelligent and well thought out post astounds me. Transgender == different species. Simply amazing!
 
2011-12-22 07:49:11 AM

o5iiawah: but my GIRL SCOUT wont be sharing tents, bathrooms or activities with a girlwithboyparts scout.


Lol you should dissolve troop in protest over this horrible injustice.
 
2011-12-22 07:49:40 AM

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Mock26: MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.

And what if the child has both nuts and a coont? What then, of great fountain of wisdom?

(Yeah, yeah, know the child in question is not a hermaphrodite, but just wondering what you have to say on this.)

Plenty of other clubs that can be joined without controversy. Why pick the hardest (giggity)? If it was my kid, I would try to make his life as easy as I could, even if it meant sheltering him/her from things that are probably not fair.


But not many clubs of the same type as the Girl Scouts (or Boy Scouts for that matter).
 
2011-12-22 07:50:41 AM

Silvara: Sometimes it very specifically comes down to genes.


genes are one of the very things scientifically identifying the child as a boy, oddly enough.
 
2011-12-22 07:50:54 AM

TheOmni: And I'm assuming the mother knows her daughter somewhat better than us folks reading about it on the internet


She knows "her" so well she calls her a "he".

Baryogenesis: Remind me which group made the big stink about the transgender girl. Was it the family who just wanted their daughter to be allowed in the Girl Scouts? Or was it the 3 butt hurt troop leaders in another state that resigned and disbanded their troops in protest?


I would say trying to getting a male in a group with is primarily defined as a group that is made up of no males is making a stink.
 
2011-12-22 07:52:40 AM

PonceAlyosha: MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.

Fallacious logic that last bit. Kids deserve equal access etc. Why no gender neutral scouts though? We can call them Swansons.


There are gender neutral scouts. They are called venturers. Age range is a little older though.
Link (new window)
 
2011-12-22 07:53:52 AM

keylock71: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: rant

I'll direct you to the article:

The Girl Scouts of Colorado subsequently released a statement through the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) in support of Archuleta and her excluded daughter, noting, "If a child identifies as a girl and the child's family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout."

Added Rachelle Trujillo, vice president for communications of the Colorado Girl Scouts: "If a child is living as a girl, that's good enough for us. We don't require any proof of gender."


The Colorado Troop in question apparently doesn't have a problem with it. Some backwoods fundamentalists in Louisiana do.


I know what you're saying, but it's the fundamentalists in LA's choice how they want to align and represent themselves. Why should people persecute them because they didn't want to be associated with a group that no longer represents them in the way they wanted it to? People are saying how we should be tolerant, but where's the tolerance for the LA's groups choice to disband?
 
2011-12-22 07:56:43 AM
As far as the real world is concerned, your being male or female is not subject to your feelings, only your body.

A boy is trying to get into girl scouts and it's not "intolerant" for the girl scouts to reject him.
 
2011-12-22 07:57:46 AM
Baryogenesis: Remind me which group made the big stink about the transgender girl. Was it the family who just wanted their daughter to be allowed in the Girl Scouts? Or was it the 3 butt hurt troop leaders in another state that resigned and disbanded their troops in protest?

I would say trying to getting a male in a group with is primarily defined as a group that is made up of no males is making a stink.

The scout troop ended up welcoming the transgender child. Yes, quite the uproar.
 
2011-12-22 07:58:26 AM
Why isn't there a mixed gender scouting group? One where you both go camping and learn to sew on a button.

Just call it "Scouts of America" and let both boys and girls join? My nieces both quit girl scouts because in their words "They do boring things and we never get to go camping or hiking"
 
2011-12-22 08:00:59 AM
At 7 years old the parents should be protecting this child. He has a lifetime to make a decision on how he wants yo live his life. I feel sorry for him because now this will be known to his peers and will have a difficult time in school. People are delusional if you don't think he will be taunted by all of this. The parents of the girls have the right to raise their daughters as they see fit. They pulled them out of the girl scouts and joined another group and now there is no more girl scout troop in the area because of someone else trying to impose their values onto someone else. Everyone has the right to live their life according to their values.
 
2011-12-22 08:01:06 AM

Baryogenesis: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Holy farking shiat....is this whole thread really about what defines a male and a female? For all of you that are saying " ooh...it's a mental state that defines gender...ooh". No it doesn't. Guys have a big fat hairy dick hanging between their legs, girls don't (That's the actual Webster's definition btw).

A person's sex and gender are different things.


You are correct my friend, but either way I'm sure you can decipher my point out of all this.

 
2011-12-22 08:03:12 AM

Snappingturtle: At 7 years old the parents should be protecting this child. He has a lifetime to make a decision on how he wants yo live his life. I feel sorry for him because now this will be known to his peers and will have a difficult time in school. People are delusional if you don't think he will be taunted by all of this. The parents of the girls have the right to raise their daughters as they see fit. They pulled them out of the girl scouts and joined another group and now there is no more girl scout troop in the area because of someone else trying to impose their values onto someone else. Everyone has the right to live their life according to their values.


I don't know the kid seems pretty happy in the video. Gender identity starts very young and he would be teased and made fun of for being trans at any age. If when he gets older he decides to live as a boy there is nothing stopping him from doing that.
 
2011-12-22 08:03:26 AM

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: I know what you're saying, but it's the fundamentalists in LA's choice how they want to align and represent themselves. Why should people persecute them because they didn't want to be associated with a group that no longer represents them in the way they wanted it to? People are saying how we should be tolerant, but where's the tolerance for the LA's groups choice to disband?


What the holy hell are you talking about?

The clowns in Louisiana are free to do what they want. And they did. Other folks are free to criticize them for their actions.

No one is being "persecuted", Capt. Hyperbole.
 
2011-12-22 08:03:29 AM

mciann: CanisNoir: Does he/she have a penis? If so, he/she should not really be camping with the other girls. That said, the three baitches who quit are being just that, stupid baitches cutting off their nose to spite their face and hurting their own children in the process.

I don't know if you realize how bitterly cruel your first statement here is. Try to imagine you've got something attached to you that you have hated from the very moment you understood what it was. Try to imagine years of that one little shred of flesh dictating every circumstance of your life. Imagine years of knowing you will never fit; that you can never be the person you are when you close your eyes; that you must live a life of deceit and misery all of your days because you happen to have this disgusting, vile, embarrassing thing between your legs, even when every other aspect of your being screams to be something else. Then read your post again.


When these topics come up on FARK one theme that comes up repeatedly is tolerance. The idea is put forth that if someone isn't harming anyone (including themselves) they should be left alone.

So why all the pen1s hate?
According to the prevailing attitude of those professing tolerance in these threads that pen1s cannot/does not define you.

So why hate it so much?
 
2011-12-22 08:11:55 AM

keylock71: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: I know what you're saying, but it's the fundamentalists in LA's choice how they want to align and represent themselves. Why should people persecute them because they didn't want to be associated with a group that no longer represents them in the way they wanted it to? People are saying how we should be tolerant, but where's the tolerance for the LA's groups choice to disband?

What the holy hell are you talking about?

The clowns in Louisiana are free to do what they want. And they did. Other folks are free to criticize them for their actions.

No one is being "persecuted", Capt. Hyperbole.


Maybe you aren't seeing the same comments I am about how we should all spit on the group from LA when we see them? And yeah, I'd say spitting on someone for disagreeing is 100% persecution.
 
2011-12-22 08:14:23 AM

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Maybe you aren't seeing the same comments I am about how we should all spit on the group from LA when we see them? And yeah, I'd say spitting on someone for disagreeing is 100% persecution.


While I don't want to spit on them I just think they're hateful twats. Is that persecution also?
 
2011-12-22 08:15:32 AM

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: keylock71: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: rant

I'll direct you to the article:

The Girl Scouts of Colorado subsequently released a statement through the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) in support of Archuleta and her excluded daughter, noting, "If a child identifies as a girl and the child's family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout."

Added Rachelle Trujillo, vice president for communications of the Colorado Girl Scouts: "If a child is living as a girl, that's good enough for us. We don't require any proof of gender."


The Colorado Troop in question apparently doesn't have a problem with it. Some backwoods fundamentalists in Louisiana do.

I know what you're saying, but it's the fundamentalists in LA's choice how they want to align and represent themselves. Why should people persecute them because they didn't want to be associated with a group that no longer represents them in the way they wanted it to? People are saying how we should be tolerant, but where's the tolerance for the LA's groups choice to disband?


This. I think the fundamentalists' opinion is backward and stupid and closed-minded and all that, but they're still free to have it. I fail to see how their refusal to associated with GLBTWTFBBQ individuals is in any way my business.
 
2011-12-22 08:15:34 AM

Carth: Snappingturtle: At 7 years old the parents should be protecting this child. He has a lifetime to make a decision on how he wants yo live his life. I feel sorry for him because now this will be known to his peers and will have a difficult time in school. People are delusional if you don't think he will be taunted by all of this. The parents of the girls have the right to raise their daughters as they see fit. They pulled them out of the girl scouts and joined another group and now there is no more girl scout troop in the area because of someone else trying to impose their values onto someone else. Everyone has the right to live their life according to their values.

I don't know the kid seems pretty happy in the video. Gender identity starts very young and he would be teased and made fun of for being trans at any age. If when he gets older he decides to live as a boy there is nothing stopping him from doing that.


All I am saying is the parents should protect the child while he is growing up. How he wants to live is no one else's business. Also it is no one else's business how the girl's parents want to raise them.We live in a country where we are supposed to be free from persecution for whatever beliefs we have.
 
2011-12-22 08:15:38 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: A Colorado-based Girl Scouts troop's decision to admit a 7-year-old transgender child this fall has prompted three leaders to resign and dissolve their troops.

As The Christian Post is reporting, all three of the troop leaders were affiliated with the Northlake Christian School in Covington, Louisiana.

Soooo, a Colorado troup admits the kid, and that makes a bunch of stick-up-their-ass Louisiana Christians think it's their farking business and take the entire experience of scouting away from the girls in their troup. Got it.


This just in: Christians are a bunch of demented f*ckwit busybodies who tend to cut off their noses to spite other people's faces. Ric Romero reports.


Actually, most human beings are a bunch of demented farkwit busybodies. But if you feel that you need to single out one group of people, I guess that's your trip. Have fun!
 
2011-12-22 08:15:49 AM

TheOmni: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .

Short answer, yes. Check out this article. It's a pretty positive article about identical twin boys that turned out to be a brother and sister,and it lets you know exactly how early this realization can occur.

And I'm assuming the mother knows her daughter somewhat better than us folks reading about it on the internet.


That would kind of preclude the "it's genetic" argument.
 
2011-12-22 08:15:51 AM
intolerant bunch, not letting people different then them join their group...

www.thecotilliononline.com

Link (new window)
 
2011-12-22 08:16:55 AM
It's called girl scouts, not feminine scouts.
 
2011-12-22 08:17:52 AM

A Terrible Human: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Maybe you aren't seeing the same comments I am about how we should all spit on the group from LA when we see them? And yeah, I'd say spitting on someone for disagreeing is 100% persecution.

While I don't want to spit on them I just think they're hateful twats. Is that persecution also?


No it isn't. That's just an opinion.
 
2011-12-22 08:17:56 AM
There are plenty of adult men who are girl scouts. What's one more boy? (biologically, anyway)

What whiny children these troop leaders are.
 
2011-12-22 08:18:02 AM
I am not an expert on gender issues but even if I were without meeting this girl I wouldn't be able to make the sort of definitive 'he's a boy', or 'she's a girl' statements you folks are making. I would hope, though, that we could all agree that the folks putting their views ahead of the troops by disbanding are coonts.
 
2011-12-22 08:18:40 AM

NEDM: A Terrible Human: Dadoody: Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.

[i.imgur.com image 251x189]

Can we start with you?

[i253.photobucket.com image 640x466]

The God Emperor of Mankind frowns upon your lack of knowledge.


Probably took the saying "Blessed is the mind too small to doubt." a bit too much to heart.

Slaanesh would happily have them in the ranks of the daemonette guides.

wh40k.lexicanum.com
 
2011-12-22 08:20:15 AM

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Maybe you aren't seeing the same comments I am about how we should all spit on the group from LA when we see them? And yeah, I'd say spitting on someone for disagreeing is 100% persecution.

per·se·cute

: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict;

What punishment or injury has been inflicted on the LA folks?

None.

These folks now have their precious snow flakes in a more fundamentalist group more in line with their outdated beliefs. Everyone is happy and no one is being persecuted.

So stop whining.
 
2011-12-22 08:20:26 AM

Egoy3k: I am not an expert on gender issues but even if I were without meeting this girl I wouldn't be able to make the sort of definitive 'he's a boy', or 'she's a girl' statements you folks are making. I would hope, though, that we could all agree that the folks putting their views ahead of the troops by disbanding are coonts.


To be definitive you would have to see the kid's genitals and that would land you a visit from "why don't you take a seat right over there" guy
 
2011-12-22 08:23:11 AM
Can't figure out if it's hate disguised as fear
or
fear disguised as hate

Not suuuuure . . .

well anyway, just keep being good christians and uh, drop dead as soon as you can, mmmkay?
 
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