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2011-12-21 10:33:54 PM  
Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .
 
2011-12-21 10:59:41 PM  
A Colorado-based Girl Scouts troop's decision to admit a 7-year-old transgender child this fall has prompted three leaders to resign and dissolve their troops.

As The Christian Post is reporting, all three of the troop leaders were affiliated with the Northlake Christian School in Covington, Louisiana.


Soooo, a Colorado troup admits the kid, and that makes a bunch of stick-up-their-ass Louisiana Christians think it's their farking business and take the entire experience of scouting away from the girls in their troup. Got it.


This just in: Christians are a bunch of demented f*ckwit busybodies who tend to cut off their noses to spite other people's faces. Ric Romero reports.
 
2011-12-21 11:58:11 PM  
Well, f*ck them.
If they can't learn tolerance and respect, they've got no reason to be in the Scouts.
 
2011-12-22 12:10:37 AM  
Christians doing god's work and loving others like Jeebus would again I see.
 
2011-12-22 12:16:52 AM  

Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .


I don't think puberty is required for sexual identity. There are plenty of transgender people out there who will tell you they identified as such long before puberty. Sometimes it very specifically comes down to genes.
 
2011-12-22 12:18:56 AM  
Also, those troop leaders aren't even in the same goddamn state. fark em, let them leave.
 
2011-12-22 12:20:12 AM  

Silvara: Also, those troop leaders aren't even in the same goddamn state. fark em, let them leave.


Yeah, it takes a special kind of asshole troop leader to say; "Damn, some other troop leader in a totally different state allowed in a transgender girl, so SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING."
 
2011-12-22 12:20:27 AM  
Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

In a word, yes.

Also, consider that the girl in question was admitted to a troop in Colorado, and the troops that broke up are in Louisiana. That's right, people not even in the same state are so butthurt than instead of be mature adults they have to throw hissy fits.
 
2011-12-22 12:23:36 AM  

Rincewind53: Silvara: Also, those troop leaders aren't even in the same goddamn state. fark em, let them leave.

Yeah, it takes a special kind of asshole troop leader to say; "Damn, some other troop leader in a totally different state allowed in a transgender girl, so SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING."


Yeah, the pure coontiness of it all is impressive.
 
2011-12-22 12:37:10 AM  

Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?


Yes. Gender presentation and who you like to fark are different things.

/I am sure this thread will be thoughtful and respectful.
 
2011-12-22 12:37:22 AM  

Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .


Short answer, yes. Check out this article. It's a pretty positive article about identical twin boys that turned out to be a brother and sister,and it lets you know exactly how early this realization can occur.

And I'm assuming the mother knows her daughter somewhat better than us folks reading about it on the internet.
 
2011-12-22 12:40:37 AM  

shivashakti: Well, f*ck them.
If they can't learn tolerance and respect, they've got no reason to be in the Scouts.


True story: I was a D.A.R.E role model at that school in high school. My cousins went there. They've always been intolerant assholes.

However, I got to get out of class once a year to talk about what a great role model I was, and I always got a laugh out of that.
 
2011-12-22 12:42:29 AM  

Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .


You know how I know you have no farking idea about transgendered people?
 
2011-12-22 12:46:54 AM  

m3000: You know how I know you have no farking idea about transgendered people?


Pretty much. Transgendered people start to understand and relate to their gender identity at the same time EVERYONE starts to understand and relate to their gender identity- between 3-5. It's pretty standard and should be understood by more people at this point.

No one's suggesting anyone have surgery as a kid, but they should be able to dress and present as whatever gender they identify with.
 
2011-12-22 01:39:03 AM  

Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

 
2011-12-22 01:40:51 AM  

Tatsuma: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?


A gender identity is not the same thing as a sexual identity.
 
2011-12-22 01:41:14 AM  
Gig103

As others have pointed out your position is completely incorrect and there's a vast amount of data demonstrating that.

In fact it's MORE likely that a transgender individual will report identity issues prior to puberty rather than after.

What I'm more interested in is why, when you clearly have absolutely no knowledge about it, you felt comfortable telling us what a stupid situation was?

c'est weird non?
 
2011-12-22 01:47:45 AM  
So if parents ever come into the workplace trying to fund-raise for their kids in American Heritage Scouts (Boys and Girls), please be so kind as to spit in their eye.
 
2011-12-22 01:48:00 AM  

Tigger: Gig103

As others have pointed out your position is completely incorrect and there's a vast amount of data demonstrating that.

In fact it's MORE likely that a transgender individual will report identity issues prior to puberty rather than after.

What I'm more interested in is why, when you clearly have absolutely no knowledge about it, you felt comfortable telling us what a stupid situation was?

c'est weird non?


Because, truthiness. Ya gotta go with your gut. Facts are dangerous.
 
2011-12-22 01:49:58 AM  
Correction: Just girls. The BSA is already intolerant enough.
 
2011-12-22 02:15:15 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Tatsuma: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

A gender identity is not the same thing as a sexual identity.


Yea, it would be awesome if she is transgender AND lesbian! That would really freak them out.
 
2011-12-22 02:17:12 AM  
I wonder how the parents made the decision between transgender and plain old gay. Just because a little kid says he wants to be a girl isn't enough, or we'd be up to our ears in astronauts and firemen and ballerinas and princesses.
 
2011-12-22 02:23:56 AM  
While I'm not sure they handled it well I don't think I would want a male going on campouts and such with my girls with my daughter when they are both going to be going through puberty soon.
 
2011-12-22 02:30:05 AM  
EvilEgg: going through puberty soon.

Seven year olds aren't exactly hitting puberty soon. They've got a good oh 3 to 5 years to go before they hit it.
 
2011-12-22 02:39:39 AM  

WhyteRaven74: EvilEgg: going through puberty soon.

Seven year olds aren't exactly hitting puberty soon. They've got a good oh 3 to 5 years to go before they hit it.


But they still will be part of the troop when it happens. Also puberty can start much younger than that.
 
2011-12-22 03:15:28 AM  
Does he/she have a penis? If so, he/she should not really be camping with the other girls. That said, the three baitches who quit are being just that, stupid baitches cutting off their nose to spite their face and hurting their own children in the process.
 
2011-12-22 03:42:26 AM  
one way or another I predict this thread is going to be filled with dicks.
 
2011-12-22 03:49:31 AM  
Gender identity is not about sexuality. They are independent concepts.

Gender is a concept of mind and body. The formation of gender specific brain development forms usually results in appropriate physical changes in the body, but there's plenty of data and case studies where they sometimes are mismatched. It happens. It's part of life that some people are caught inbetween. Regardless of the cause, can we not be civilized and accept who they are and let them decide who to live tier lives as their biological dice have been thrown? Why does it matter how a human is configured? Is is certainly not to confirm to mob rule.
 
2011-12-22 03:51:44 AM  
Perhaps if your gender is uncertain you should join gender based organizations.
 
2011-12-22 03:56:04 AM  

EvilEgg: Perhaps if your gender is uncertain you should join gender based organizations.


So much for teaching tolerance.

"Perhaps if your gender race is uncertain you should join gender race based organizations."

If this is abhorrent by today's standards -- just as the thought of felony "interracial" marriage is today -- why to we look the other way here?

Whatever appended to teaching kids to be good people first notepad of tribal tools?
 
2011-12-22 03:56:53 AM  
*happened

Farking Otto Korrekt
 
2011-12-22 04:12:59 AM  

lohphat: EvilEgg: Perhaps if your gender is uncertain you should join gender based organizations.

So much for teaching tolerance.

"Perhaps if your gender race is uncertain you should join gender race based organizations."

If this is abhorrent by today's standards -- just as the thought of felony "interracial" marriage is today -- why to we look the other way here?

Whatever appended to teaching kids to be good people first notepad of tribal tools?


No one can be 100% certain of their race. Most people can be 100% certain of their gender.

I'm all for tolerance, but gender is, with rare exceptions, a very easy thing to determine. If yours isn't easy then joining an organization that relies on it may not be your thing. Try Campfire.
 
2011-12-22 04:21:49 AM  

EvilEgg:

I'm all for tolerance, but gender is, with rare exceptions, a very easy thing to determine. If yours isn't easy then joining an organization that relies on it may not be your thing. Try Campfire.


Gender of the mid is different than gender if the body and even then there are grey areas. There are a lot of these people. It's not *that* rare.

Whats important here? Beng with others of similar mindset or similar plumbing? Kids at that age don't bathe together.
 
2011-12-22 04:39:32 AM  

lohphat: EvilEgg:

I'm all for tolerance, but gender is, with rare exceptions, a very easy thing to determine. If yours isn't easy then joining an organization that relies on it may not be your thing. Try Campfire.

Gender of the mid is different than gender if the body and even then there are grey areas. There are a lot of these people. It's not *that* rare.

Whats important here? Beng with others of similar mindset or similar plumbing? Kids at that age don't bathe together.


Important for who? The transgender person or the others. If the others join an organization only for girls, do their opinions matter? Why not just join a group where it isn't an issue?
 
2011-12-22 04:47:32 AM  

EvilEgg: lohphat: EvilEgg:

I'm all for tolerance, but gender is, with rare exceptions, a very easy thing to determine. If yours isn't easy then joining an organization that relies on it may not be your thing. Try Campfire.

Gender of the mid is different than gender if the body and even then there are grey areas. There are a lot of these people. It's not *that* rare.

Whats important here? Beng with others of similar mindset or similar plumbing? Kids at that age don't bathe together.

Important for who? The transgender person or the others. If the others join an organization only for girls, do their opinions matter? Why not just join a group where it isn't an issue?


Define "girl". The majority of them have the brain, mentality, and genitals of young females. Some do not have all three. Some have the plumbing but are mentally and emotionally (and sometimes hormonally) male.

I'd posit that these organizations promote "girlness" not plumbing.
 
2011-12-22 05:47:40 AM  
Some people just like being outraged or making a point. If they want to resign, let them and thank them for showing you who they are.
That said, most children are aware of their sexual identity at a young age, but getting a sex change shouldn't be done until adulthood.
 
2011-12-22 06:08:39 AM  

lohphat: Define "girl". The majority of them have the brain, mentality, and genitals of young females. Some do not have all three. Some have the plumbing but are mentally and emotionally (and sometimes hormonally) male.


Divorcing hormones from "gender specific emotions and mental states" makes the idea that "male and female" emotions and mental states moot.
 
2011-12-22 06:10:09 AM  
I'm a guy and since puberty atleast part of me always wants to be in a girl
 
2011-12-22 06:14:12 AM  
That's so gay.
 
2011-12-22 06:18:45 AM  
This had better not affect the flow of Samoas.
 
2011-12-22 06:19:46 AM  
Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.
 
2011-12-22 06:20:30 AM  
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2011-12-22 06:21:09 AM  

MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.


Fallacious logic that last bit. Kids deserve equal access etc. Why no gender neutral scouts though? We can call them Swansons.
 
2011-12-22 06:22:58 AM  
boys will be boys....
 
2011-12-22 06:24:35 AM  

Tatsuma: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?


Yes. The day my babby was born I knew he was really a girl in a boy's body.
/This has stupid written all around.
 
2011-12-22 06:24:59 AM  
The Girl Scouts have been so much better than the Boy Scouts when it comes to progressive stuff like accepting people different from you, so I'm glad to see the organization continue to live up to its name.
Fark those religious turds, they don't belong in an organization that might actually help people.
 
2011-12-22 06:25:46 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: live up to its name.


errr... reputation.
 
2011-12-22 06:26:43 AM  
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
 
2011-12-22 06:27:41 AM  

MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.


Remind me which group made the big stink about the transgender girl. Was it the family who just wanted their daughter to be allowed in the Girl Scouts? Or was it the 3 butt hurt troop leaders in another state that resigned and disbanded their troops in protest?
 
2011-12-22 06:28:14 AM  
I had hope for fark before I realized it's just another hugbox for people who think trannies are something other than mentally ill.
 
2011-12-22 06:29:19 AM  

PonceAlyosha: MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.

Fallacious logic that last bit. Kids deserve equal access etc. Why no gender neutral scouts though? We can call them Swansons.


While we're at it, why don't we let them buy beer and cigarrettes? If 7 is old enough to decide on your sexuality, it should be old enough to have other adult responsibilities.
 
2011-12-22 06:29:27 AM  
I love the one article the person linked to about the identical twins, one of whom identified as being female. The description of the one who remained male...."he was all boy, liked Spiderman, action figures....." So what type of toys you like defines your gender? I always hated dolls and girl type toys. I was always playing with trucks and boy toys. I always liked sports, caught a lot of crap 30 some years ago for pushing to get girls athletic teams. Hell, I joined the military long before it was common for women to do so. According to what some of you are saying, that makes me male. Not a chance! I prefer being the superior gender.
 
2011-12-22 06:29:32 AM  
Why would a bunch of hicks in Louisiana care what a Troop in Colorado does?

The only people they're hurting with this nonsense are the girls in their own Troops.
 
2011-12-22 06:30:36 AM  

duffblue: I had hope for fark before I realized it's just another hugbox for people who think transformers are something other than mentally ill.


Awww are you upset that not everyone shares your views about gender? I'd be interested to know if you think that homosexuals are mentally ill.
 
2011-12-22 06:31:02 AM  

Genevieve Marie: No one's suggesting anyone have surgery as a kid, but they should be able to dress and present as whatever gender they identify with.



Well, that's certainly one option, OR...

we could take a razor strop to t'em every gd morning and every gd night until they put down the gd dolls and start playing with Hot Wheels like normal little boys their age!!!!

In my day, we had a cure for "gender identity disorder." First round of treatment was sending 'em out to the tree in the front yard to bring back a switch!

The self-loathing and emotional torment is where the masculinity comes from!!!
 
2011-12-22 06:31:31 AM  
Girl Scout Promise:

On my honor, I will try:
To serve god and my country, to help people at all times, and to live by the Girl Scout Law.

Girl Scout Law:

I will do my best to be:
Honest and fair, friendly and helpful, considerate and caring, courageous and strong, and responsible for what I say and do,
And to:
Respect myself and others, respect authority, use resources wisely, make the world a better place, and be a sister to every Girl Scout.

/Fark 'em if they can't abide by the Law.
//You'll always have sisters, little chick, regardless of what some asshats think, say, or do.
 
2011-12-22 06:32:06 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: A Colorado-based Girl Scouts troop's decision to admit a 7-year-old transgender child this fall has prompted three leaders to resign and dissolve their troops.

As The Christian Post is reporting, all three of the troop leaders were affiliated with the Northlake Christian School in Covington, Louisiana.

Soooo, a Colorado troup admits the kid, and that makes a bunch of stick-up-their-ass Louisiana Christians think it's their farking business and take the entire experience of scouting away from the girls in their troup. Got it.


This just in: Christians are a bunch of demented f*ckwit busybodies who tend to cut off their noses to spite other people's faces. Ric Romero reports.


This.

Over in two.
 
2011-12-22 06:34:33 AM  

CanisNoir: Does he/she have a penis? If so, he/she should not really be camping with the other girls. That said, the three baitches who quit are being just that, stupid baitches cutting off their nose to spite their face and hurting their own children in the process.


I don't know if you realize how bitterly cruel your first statement here is. Try to imagine you've got something attached to you that you have hated from the very moment you understood what it was. Try to imagine years of that one little shred of flesh dictating every circumstance of your life. Imagine years of knowing you will never fit; that you can never be the person you are when you close your eyes; that you must live a life of deceit and misery all of your days because you happen to have this disgusting, vile, embarrassing thing between your legs, even when every other aspect of your being screams to be something else. Then read your post again.
 
2011-12-22 06:37:50 AM  

HoneyDog: I love the one article the person linked to about the identical twins, one of whom identified as being female. The description of the one who remained male...."he was all boy, liked Spiderman, action figures....." So what type of toys you like defines your gender? I always hated dolls and girl type toys. I was always playing with trucks and boy toys. I always liked sports, caught a lot of crap 30 some years ago for pushing to get girls athletic teams. Hell, I joined the military long before it was common for women to do so. According to what some of you are saying, that makes me male. Not a chance! I prefer being the superior gender.


You answered your own question. It's not about liking certain toys or playing sports. It's just your preference.
 
2011-12-22 06:37:50 AM  
girls scouts is for girls duh
 
2011-12-22 06:38:29 AM  
Someone wanted a girl and ended up with a boy. Maybe she had a still born daughter before having him and still farked up from it.
/It would be funny if the boy turn out straight and end hating his mother for this bullshiat.
//That kid don't have the ghey voice. My cousins had theirs around 5 and are ghey to this day.
 
2011-12-22 06:38:50 AM  
I love that shred of flesh between my legs.

And despite how I abuse it, it loves me.
 
2011-12-22 06:39:27 AM  

Silvara: Also, those troop leaders aren't even in the same goddamn state. fark em, let them leave.


Central Ohio here. The Girl Scout troop that my daughters had just started going to when this went down, was basically torn apart when a majority of the families attending decided they could no longer be a part of the GSA.
 
2011-12-22 06:39:34 AM  
The "tolerance" argument is what people use when they can't think of anything to say that makes sense. If your argument is "you are wrong because you are intolerant," then you are wrong.
 
2011-12-22 06:39:53 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I love that shred of flesh between my legs.

And despite how I abuse it, it loves me.


Congratulations on having a penis?
 
2011-12-22 06:40:27 AM  

A Terrible Human: AverageAmericanGuy: I love that shred of flesh between my legs.

And despite how I abuse it, it loves me.

Congratulations on having a penis?


Yeah! High five!
 
2011-12-22 06:40:37 AM  

HoneyDog: I love the one article the person linked to about the identical twins, one of whom identified as being female. The description of the one who remained male...."he was all boy, liked Spiderman, action figures....." So what type of toys you like defines your gender? I always hated dolls and girl type toys. I was always playing with trucks and boy toys. I always liked sports, caught a lot of crap 30 some years ago for pushing to get girls athletic teams. Hell, I joined the military long before it was common for women to do so. According to what some of you are saying, that makes me male. Not a chance! I prefer being the superior gender.


So...... Lesbian I take it?
 
2011-12-22 06:41:04 AM  
You answered your own question. It's not about liking certain toys or playing sports. It's just your preference.

But from what others have said above, my preference of activities makes me male. I get along and relate better to males. No chick flicks or romance novels for me.
 
2011-12-22 06:41:17 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Yeah! High five!


Can I still high five you if I don't have one?
 
2011-12-22 06:42:20 AM  

EvilEgg: lohphat: EvilEgg:

I'm all for tolerance, but gender is, with rare exceptions, a very easy thing to determine. If yours isn't easy then joining an organization that relies on it may not be your thing. Try Campfire.

Gender of the mid is different than gender if the body and even then there are grey areas. There are a lot of these people. It's not *that* rare.

Whats important here? Beng with others of similar mindset or similar plumbing? Kids at that age don't bathe together.

Important for who? The transgender person or the others. If the others join an organization only for girls, do their opinions matter? Why not just join a group where it isn't an issue?


Forget it. Your logic is no match for the hyperbole. The GSA must be wrong because the BSA did something something something. And Christians! Grrr Christians! Facts! We have facts based on stories we heard from our neighbor's cousin's grocer!

keylock71: Why would a bunch of hicks in Louisiana care what a Troop in Colorado does?

The only people they're hurting with this nonsense are the girls in their own Troops.


*blink blink*

Whew, thanks. A reality check brought me back from the brink.
 
2011-12-22 06:42:46 AM  
farm3.static.flickr.com

"Perhaps they were too much a rival fascisti."

/as hot as the seat over there
 
2011-12-22 06:43:26 AM  

A Terrible Human: AverageAmericanGuy: Yeah! High five!

Can I still high five you if I don't have one?


If you don't mind where my hand's been, sure!
 
2011-12-22 06:44:44 AM  

Gdalescrboz: The "tolerance" argument is what people use when they can't think of anything to say that makes sense. If your argument is "you are wrong because you are intolerant," then you are wrong.



How about "it's none of your farking business, dickwad?"

If the girl is happier, if her parents are at peace with it, if the GSA is accepting of it, and if if the girls and parents of the troop she belongs to have no problem with it... then how about you take your farking nose out of their business and put in a goddamn book for a few minutes and try to knock some of the steaming pile stupid off your farking noggin.
 
2011-12-22 06:44:47 AM  
Someone just needs to start the Jesus Scouts of America and let the rest of us get on with teaching our kids to live in this century.
 
2011-12-22 06:45:54 AM  

HoneyDog: You answered your own question. It's not about liking certain toys or playing sports. It's just your preference.

But from what others have said above, my preference of activities makes me male. I get along and relate better to males. No chick flicks or romance novels for me.



"Golly, everybody... Look how farking stupid I am! Aren't I clever?"
 
2011-12-22 06:46:36 AM  
ftfa Archuleta, who also confessed to having difficulty switching from male to female pronouns when discussing her child, told ABC.

Heh, more proof it's the parent having the gender identity issue, not the kid.
 
2011-12-22 06:46:50 AM  
This is the real reason the kid can't join. She'll find out they put crack in these:
i43.tinypic.com
 
2011-12-22 06:48:29 AM  

HoneyDog: You answered your own question. It's not about liking certain toys or playing sports. It's just your preference.

But from what others have said above, my preference of activities makes me male. I get along and relate better to males. No chick flicks or romance novels for me.


But you still identify as female and that's the point. It's only a matter of what you prefer to identify as, male or female. Someone can identify as a girl and still not like stereotypically girl things as you have shown.
 
2011-12-22 06:48:46 AM  
They could start their own scouting organization if they don't like the rules of the existing one.
 
2011-12-22 06:49:43 AM  
Those paramilitary cookie fascists are acting like a bunch of paramilitary cookie fascists.
 
2011-12-22 06:49:45 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: A Terrible Human: AverageAmericanGuy: Yeah! High five!

Can I still high five you if I don't have one?

If you don't mind where my hand's been, sure!


I'lold

And A Terrible Human, you desperately need to lighten up. You'll never get a husband with that attitude.
 
2011-12-22 06:50:04 AM  

steve_lou: This is the real reason the kid can't join. She'll find out they put crack in these:
[i43.tinypic.com image 320x272]


SAMOAS!!!!!
 
2011-12-22 06:51:28 AM  
Sounds to me like Mommy wanted a girl.
 
2011-12-22 06:51:47 AM  

chuggernaught: keylock71: Why would a bunch of hicks in Louisiana care what a Troop in Colorado does?

The only people they're hurting with this nonsense are the girls in their own Troops.

*blink blink*

Whew, thanks. A reality check brought me back from the brink.


Heh... It just seems very counterproductive to me.

It's the same twisted mentality that brought us the wonderful phrase, "We had to destroy the village in order to save it".
 
2011-12-22 06:52:54 AM  

Hair Salad: Sounds to me like Mommy wanted a girl.



I hope your parents wanted a retard.
 
2011-12-22 06:53:47 AM  

Baron Von Supercock: And A Terrible Human, you desperately need to lighten up. You'll never get a husband with that attitude.


Lol wut?

/My fiance and me are rather happy.
 
2011-12-22 06:54:57 AM  
A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt.
Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.
To admit defeat is to blaspheme against the Emperor.
For those who seek perfection there can be no rest on this side of the grave.
The difference between heresy and treachery is ignorance.
Knowledge is power, guard it well.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
Innocence proves nothing.
Success is commemorated; Failure merely remembered.
Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life.
Only in death does duty end.
No man died in His service that died in vain.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Beginning reform is beginning revolution.
Educate men without faith and you but make them clever devils.
Success is measured in blood; yours or your enemy´s.
The man who has nothing can still have faith.
Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.
It is better to die for the Emperor than to live for yourself.
Fear denies faith.
Foolish are those who fear nothing, yet claim to know everything.
Brave are they who know everything yet fear nothing.
Happiness is a delusion of the weak.
All souls call out for salvation.
Life is the Emperor's currency, spend it well.
A suspicious mind is a healthy mind.
Cowards die in shame.
Faith without deeds is worthless.
True Happiness stems only from Duty.
The blood of martyrs is the seed of the Imperium.
Heresy grows from idleness.
There is only the Emperor, and he is our shield and protector.
Truth is Subjective.
Damnation is Eternal.
Know the Mutant; Kill the Mutant.
To Question is to doubt.
He who keeps silent consents.
Prayer cleanses the soul, Pain cleanses the body.
Death by thy Compass.
Zeal is its own Excuse.
Work earns Salvation.
Without him there is nothing.
Only the Emperor is all.
Hatred is the emperor's greatest gift to humanity.
Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.
A small mind is easily filled with faith.
 
2011-12-22 06:55:17 AM  
TFA: A Colorado-based Girl Scouts troop's decision to admit a 7-year-old transgender child this fall has prompted three leaders to resign and dissolve their troops.

[Simmons yelling incoherently in the background throughout scene.]

Grif: "What the hell is going on here?"
Donut: "You know what? I honestly have no idea what's going on. I think everyone in this organization is absolutely insane."
Grif: "How'd you get them to resign?"
Donut: "I don't know. I just included a transgendered kid."
Grif: "Wait. That worked?"
Donut: "I guess... Was it not supposed to?"
Grif: "I don't know... We never even thought to try that."


/ Seriously, Kudos to the Girl Scouts.
// Huh. Maybe we _can_ take the BSA back from the fundies.
 
2011-12-22 06:57:54 AM  

Dadoody: Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.


i.imgur.com

Can we start with you?
 
2011-12-22 07:12:22 AM  

keylock71: Why would a bunch of hicks in Louisiana care what a Troop in Colorado does?

The only people they're hurting with this nonsense are the girls in their own Troops.


They don't care at all. They're lazy, and attention whores. They got exactly what they wanted - they don't have to do anymore scouting with their kids, and they can martyr themselves for drama.
 
2011-12-22 07:14:49 AM  
That is so sick that some children are different. I hate different things. They're so weird and different. His parents are wrong for not punishing him for being different. I can only hope that the other kids harass and punish this kid for being so farking different, so he will be ashamed of it.
 
2011-12-22 07:16:01 AM  
He's a boy. Boys join boy scouts.
 
2011-12-22 07:18:24 AM  
Okay, I got halfway through this thread and it was extremely intelligent.

I had to stop reading, there's no way a FARK transgender thread can go this smoothly forever. I will quit while I am ahead.
 
2011-12-22 07:19:17 AM  
In the UK the Scouts Association accepts both Girls and Boys.
 
2011-12-22 07:20:01 AM  
Uh... so the criteria for gender now is "whatever one says"?

So be it. Can that also be true of the person I'm screwing? Regardless of whether they have a penis or not, their gender is whatever I say it is. This paradigm shift will help me out lots in certain parts of town I like to visit.

God Bless the girl scouts.
 
2011-12-22 07:21:09 AM  
This mother needs to be arrested for child abuse. She couldn't be damaging this poor boy more if she beat him daily. Children shouldn't be used as a tool to promote your own deviant ideas.
 
2011-12-22 07:24:53 AM  

syrynxx: I wonder how the parents made the decision between transgender and plain old gay. Just because a little kid says he wants to be a girl isn't enough, or we'd be up to our ears in astronauts and firemen and ballerinas and princesses.


I dunno...that sounds better than our current situation, up to our ears in currency traders and Kardashians...
 
2011-12-22 07:25:28 AM  

A Terrible Human: Dadoody: Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.

[i.imgur.com image 251x189]

Can we start with you?


i253.photobucket.com

The God Emperor of Mankind frowns upon your lack of knowledge.
 
2011-12-22 07:26:12 AM  
One girl was called Jean Marie,
Another little girl was called Felicity,
Another little girl was Sally Joy,
The other was me, and I'm a boy.
 
2011-12-22 07:26:16 AM  

BillCo: This mother needs to be arrested for child abuse. She couldn't be damaging this poor boy more if she beat him daily. Children shouldn't be used as a tool to promote your own deviant ideas.


You shall be known by your words. Your sad, sad, cruel words. Have a lovely day.
 
2011-12-22 07:27:17 AM  
I want to have my stain of bacteria admitted to the girl scouts.

phil.cdc.gov

Sure, it's a different species, but you would only know that if you observed it.

Whatsamatter? Where's your tolerance?
 
2011-12-22 07:28:28 AM  

BillCo: This mother needs to be arrested for child abuse. She couldn't be damaging this poor boy more if she beat him daily. Children shouldn't be used as a tool to promote your own deviant ideas.


How do you know for sure it's the mothers idea? Also physical abuse is very damaging to a child. It leads to an adult who almost cowers when anyone raises their voice because they're afraid that the next thing to happen will be a beating.

/Ask me about the arm my dad broke when I was 4 because I wasn't getting out of the car fast enough.
 
2011-12-22 07:29:00 AM  
If a kid wants to pretend to be a space alien do we all have to go along with it?
 
2011-12-22 07:29:13 AM  

A Terrible Human: Dadoody: Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.

[i.imgur.com image 251x189]

Can we start with you?



Be glad this isn't a furry thread.

/+1 to the WH40K reference.
 
2011-12-22 07:30:57 AM  

SevenizGud: I want to have my stain of bacteria admitted to the girl scouts.

[phil.cdc.gov image 640x428]

Sure, it's a different species, but you would only know that if you observed it.

Whatsamatter? Where's your tolerance?


What a remarkably well reasoned point...
 
2011-12-22 07:31:18 AM  

duffblue: I had hope for fark before I realized it's just another hugbox for people who think transformers are something other than mentally ill.


You seem to be unfamiliar with prenatal brain development...I recommend suing whoever taught you high school biology.

Or sue your Intelligent Designer...he's probably got deeper pockets.
 
2011-12-22 07:32:51 AM  
Holy farking shiat....is this whole thread really about what defines a male and a female? For all of you that are saying " ooh...it's a mental state that defines gender...ooh". No it doesn't. Guys have a big fat hairy dick hanging between their legs, girls don't (That's the actual Webster's definition btw).

This state of appeasement that we are trying to build is just ridiculous. He is physically a boy....he should go to BOY scouts. Maybe this kid's mom should shy away from clubs that are based on gender if his isn't so easily defined. If he's gay then he should still go to boy scouts and yes, they should be tolerant. The girl scouts wrote their rule book long before kids wanted to cut their dicks off before middle school.

I feel for him/her/whatever because he has made a decision that is going to make EVERY choice difficult for the rest of his life. And yeah, before you can say anything emo kids....being transgender at age 7 is 100% a choice. Being gay is not be a choice, but going for gusto sure the fark is. Just because your mind is confused and you don't know how to deal with it AT AGE FARKING 7, doesn't mean you have to jump off the proverbial deep end just to be "true to yourself" in the SECOND GRADE. This thread makes me hate society. And you, if you're reading this....I hate you too. lol
 
2011-12-22 07:33:49 AM  

MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.


And what if the child has both nuts and a coont? What then, of great fountain of wisdom?

(Yeah, yeah, know the child in question is not a hermaphrodite, but just wondering what you have to say on this.)
 
2011-12-22 07:39:29 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Holy farking shiat....is this whole thread really about what defines a male and a female? For all of you that are saying " ooh...it's a mental state that defines gender...ooh". No it doesn't. Guys have a big fat hairy dick hanging between their legs, girls don't (That's the actual Webster's definition btw).

This state of appeasement that we are trying to build is just ridiculous. He is physically a boy....he should go to BOY scouts. Maybe this kid's mom should shy away from clubs that are based on gender if his isn't so easily defined. If he's gay then he should still go to boy scouts and yes, they should be tolerant. The girl scouts wrote their rule book long before kids wanted to cut their dicks off before middle school.

I feel for him/her/whatever because he has made a decision that is going to make EVERY choice difficult for the rest of his life. And yeah, before you can say anything emo kids....being transgender at age 7 is 100% a choice. Being gay is not be a choice, but going for gusto sure the fark is. Just because your mind is confused and you don't know how to deal with it AT AGE FARKING 7, doesn't mean you have to jump off the proverbial deep end just to be "true to yourself" in the SECOND GRADE. This thread makes me hate society. And you, if you're reading this....I hate you too. lol


By the way, 7 year old boys are not allowed in the Boy Scouts.

/Just saying.
 
2011-12-22 07:40:17 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: rant


I'll direct you to the article:

The Girl Scouts of Colorado subsequently released a statement through the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) in support of Archuleta and her excluded daughter, noting, "If a child identifies as a girl and the child's family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout."

Added Rachelle Trujillo, vice president for communications of the Colorado Girl Scouts: "If a child is living as a girl, that's good enough for us. We don't require any proof of gender."



The Colorado Troop in question apparently doesn't have a problem with it. Some backwoods fundamentalists in Louisiana do.
 
2011-12-22 07:41:42 AM  
/BillCo: This mother needs to be arrested for child abuse. She couldn't be damaging this
/poor boy more if she beat him daily. Children shouldn't be used as a tool to promote your
/own deviant ideas.

2/10
You're trying too hard. Bound to get some bites tho
 
2011-12-22 07:41:44 AM  

SevenizGud: I want to have my stain of bacteria admitted to the girl scouts.

[phil.cdc.gov image 640x428]

Sure, it's a different species, but you would only know that if you observed it.

Whatsamatter? Where's your tolerance?


Ha ha ha! Yeah! It's just like that whole black people in the back of the bus thing! Now they want to let bacteria ride in the front of the bus!

Ha ha ha! Bacteria in the front of the bus!

As if!
 
2011-12-22 07:42:42 AM  

Mock26: MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.

And what if the child has both nuts and a coont? What then, of great fountain of wisdom?

(Yeah, yeah, know the child in question is not a hermaphrodite, but just wondering what you have to say on this.)


Plenty of other clubs that can be joined without controversy. Why pick the hardest (giggity)? If it was my kid, I would try to make his life as easy as I could, even if it meant sheltering him/her from things that are probably not fair.
 
2011-12-22 07:43:22 AM  
Situation 1: Boy decides to be feminine before even going to school with little input from peers, etc.

Situation 2: farked up granola-eating faux hippie latte swilling "parent" decides that she wanted to have a girl all along, and screw genetics. Dresses the child as a girl from early age and from the time it could speak, has been subtly "offering" the child a female gender

...paging Dr. Occam...

It's true that gender identity is a matter of personal preference (notice I refrained from using the word "choice") and this should be respected...but it's also true that a massively huge number of parents treat their children as combination doll/experiments with little regard to the child's eventual well-being. Maybe we're lucky with this case...

But I doubt it.
 
2011-12-22 07:44:07 AM  

give me doughnuts: So if parents ever come into the workplace trying to fund-raise for their kids in American Heritage Scouts (Boys and Girls), please be so kind as to spit in their eye.


If that not tolerances,I don't know what is....
 
2011-12-22 07:44:18 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Plenty of other clubs that can be joined without controversy. Why pick the hardest (giggity)? If it was my kid, I would try to make his life as easy as I could, even if it meant sheltering him/her from things that are probably not fair.


Thing is the troop this kid belongs to had no issues with her. It's just some fundie twats in Louisiana being twats.
 
2011-12-22 07:44:56 AM  
Thats fine, the GSA can do whatever they want in this instance.

but my GIRL SCOUT wont be sharing tents, bathrooms or activities with a girlwithboyparts scout.
 
2011-12-22 07:45:27 AM  

keylock71: Why would a bunch of hicks in Louisiana care what a Troop in Colorado does?


Well, duh. The answer is pretty obvious. Transgender means gay, and if a transgender (gay) boy is allowed into a Girl Scout troop in Colorado then any girl or leader who comes in contact or close proximity with that child then that person becomes gay. And once teh gay infects one person then it will first start to spread up the chain of command and from there spread back down the chain of command to different states then districts then troops. And before you know it all the girl scouts in Louisiana are gay.
 
2011-12-22 07:46:20 AM  

Hair Salad: Sounds to me like Mommy wanted a girl.


+1

The sooner we admit a sort of psycho-social Munchausen by proxy syndrome is at work in many of these cases -- along with the explosion in "diagnoses" of snowflakes suffering from this mental disorder or that psychological problem -- the closer we'll get to reality. And sanity.
 
2011-12-22 07:46:26 AM  
Seems it worked out well for everyone. The intolerant folks went to their echo-chamber knockoff of Girl Scouts, and the main organization is better for it. GSA rocks.
 
2011-12-22 07:47:43 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Holy farking shiat....is this whole thread really about what defines a male and a female? For all of you that are saying " ooh...it's a mental state that defines gender...ooh". No it doesn't. Guys have a big fat hairy dick hanging between their legs, girls don't (That's the actual Webster's definition btw).


A person's sex and gender are different things.

/how many times should this be repeated in the thread?

SevenizGud: I want to have my stain of bacteria admitted to the girl scouts.

[phil.cdc.gov image 640x428]

Sure, it's a different species, but you would only know that if you observed it.

Whatsamatter? Where's your tolerance?


Your intelligent and well thought out post astounds me. Transgender == different species. Simply amazing!
 
2011-12-22 07:49:11 AM  

o5iiawah: but my GIRL SCOUT wont be sharing tents, bathrooms or activities with a girlwithboyparts scout.


Lol you should dissolve troop in protest over this horrible injustice.
 
2011-12-22 07:49:40 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Mock26: MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.

And what if the child has both nuts and a coont? What then, of great fountain of wisdom?

(Yeah, yeah, know the child in question is not a hermaphrodite, but just wondering what you have to say on this.)

Plenty of other clubs that can be joined without controversy. Why pick the hardest (giggity)? If it was my kid, I would try to make his life as easy as I could, even if it meant sheltering him/her from things that are probably not fair.


But not many clubs of the same type as the Girl Scouts (or Boy Scouts for that matter).
 
2011-12-22 07:50:41 AM  

Silvara: Sometimes it very specifically comes down to genes.


genes are one of the very things scientifically identifying the child as a boy, oddly enough.
 
2011-12-22 07:50:54 AM  

TheOmni: And I'm assuming the mother knows her daughter somewhat better than us folks reading about it on the internet


She knows "her" so well she calls her a "he".

Baryogenesis: Remind me which group made the big stink about the transgender girl. Was it the family who just wanted their daughter to be allowed in the Girl Scouts? Or was it the 3 butt hurt troop leaders in another state that resigned and disbanded their troops in protest?


I would say trying to getting a male in a group with is primarily defined as a group that is made up of no males is making a stink.
 
2011-12-22 07:52:40 AM  

PonceAlyosha: MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.

Fallacious logic that last bit. Kids deserve equal access etc. Why no gender neutral scouts though? We can call them Swansons.


There are gender neutral scouts. They are called venturers. Age range is a little older though.
Link (new window)
 
2011-12-22 07:53:52 AM  

keylock71: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: rant

I'll direct you to the article:

The Girl Scouts of Colorado subsequently released a statement through the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) in support of Archuleta and her excluded daughter, noting, "If a child identifies as a girl and the child's family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout."

Added Rachelle Trujillo, vice president for communications of the Colorado Girl Scouts: "If a child is living as a girl, that's good enough for us. We don't require any proof of gender."


The Colorado Troop in question apparently doesn't have a problem with it. Some backwoods fundamentalists in Louisiana do.


I know what you're saying, but it's the fundamentalists in LA's choice how they want to align and represent themselves. Why should people persecute them because they didn't want to be associated with a group that no longer represents them in the way they wanted it to? People are saying how we should be tolerant, but where's the tolerance for the LA's groups choice to disband?
 
2011-12-22 07:56:43 AM  
As far as the real world is concerned, your being male or female is not subject to your feelings, only your body.

A boy is trying to get into girl scouts and it's not "intolerant" for the girl scouts to reject him.
 
2011-12-22 07:57:46 AM  
Baryogenesis: Remind me which group made the big stink about the transgender girl. Was it the family who just wanted their daughter to be allowed in the Girl Scouts? Or was it the 3 butt hurt troop leaders in another state that resigned and disbanded their troops in protest?

I would say trying to getting a male in a group with is primarily defined as a group that is made up of no males is making a stink.

The scout troop ended up welcoming the transgender child. Yes, quite the uproar.
 
2011-12-22 07:58:26 AM  
Why isn't there a mixed gender scouting group? One where you both go camping and learn to sew on a button.

Just call it "Scouts of America" and let both boys and girls join? My nieces both quit girl scouts because in their words "They do boring things and we never get to go camping or hiking"
 
2011-12-22 08:00:59 AM  
At 7 years old the parents should be protecting this child. He has a lifetime to make a decision on how he wants yo live his life. I feel sorry for him because now this will be known to his peers and will have a difficult time in school. People are delusional if you don't think he will be taunted by all of this. The parents of the girls have the right to raise their daughters as they see fit. They pulled them out of the girl scouts and joined another group and now there is no more girl scout troop in the area because of someone else trying to impose their values onto someone else. Everyone has the right to live their life according to their values.
 
2011-12-22 08:01:06 AM  

Baryogenesis: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Holy farking shiat....is this whole thread really about what defines a male and a female? For all of you that are saying " ooh...it's a mental state that defines gender...ooh". No it doesn't. Guys have a big fat hairy dick hanging between their legs, girls don't (That's the actual Webster's definition btw).

A person's sex and gender are different things.


You are correct my friend, but either way I'm sure you can decipher my point out of all this.

 
2011-12-22 08:03:12 AM  

Snappingturtle: At 7 years old the parents should be protecting this child. He has a lifetime to make a decision on how he wants yo live his life. I feel sorry for him because now this will be known to his peers and will have a difficult time in school. People are delusional if you don't think he will be taunted by all of this. The parents of the girls have the right to raise their daughters as they see fit. They pulled them out of the girl scouts and joined another group and now there is no more girl scout troop in the area because of someone else trying to impose their values onto someone else. Everyone has the right to live their life according to their values.


I don't know the kid seems pretty happy in the video. Gender identity starts very young and he would be teased and made fun of for being trans at any age. If when he gets older he decides to live as a boy there is nothing stopping him from doing that.
 
2011-12-22 08:03:26 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: I know what you're saying, but it's the fundamentalists in LA's choice how they want to align and represent themselves. Why should people persecute them because they didn't want to be associated with a group that no longer represents them in the way they wanted it to? People are saying how we should be tolerant, but where's the tolerance for the LA's groups choice to disband?


What the holy hell are you talking about?

The clowns in Louisiana are free to do what they want. And they did. Other folks are free to criticize them for their actions.

No one is being "persecuted", Capt. Hyperbole.
 
2011-12-22 08:03:29 AM  

mciann: CanisNoir: Does he/she have a penis? If so, he/she should not really be camping with the other girls. That said, the three baitches who quit are being just that, stupid baitches cutting off their nose to spite their face and hurting their own children in the process.

I don't know if you realize how bitterly cruel your first statement here is. Try to imagine you've got something attached to you that you have hated from the very moment you understood what it was. Try to imagine years of that one little shred of flesh dictating every circumstance of your life. Imagine years of knowing you will never fit; that you can never be the person you are when you close your eyes; that you must live a life of deceit and misery all of your days because you happen to have this disgusting, vile, embarrassing thing between your legs, even when every other aspect of your being screams to be something else. Then read your post again.


When these topics come up on FARK one theme that comes up repeatedly is tolerance. The idea is put forth that if someone isn't harming anyone (including themselves) they should be left alone.

So why all the pen1s hate?
According to the prevailing attitude of those professing tolerance in these threads that pen1s cannot/does not define you.

So why hate it so much?
 
2011-12-22 08:11:55 AM  

keylock71: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: I know what you're saying, but it's the fundamentalists in LA's choice how they want to align and represent themselves. Why should people persecute them because they didn't want to be associated with a group that no longer represents them in the way they wanted it to? People are saying how we should be tolerant, but where's the tolerance for the LA's groups choice to disband?

What the holy hell are you talking about?

The clowns in Louisiana are free to do what they want. And they did. Other folks are free to criticize them for their actions.

No one is being "persecuted", Capt. Hyperbole.


Maybe you aren't seeing the same comments I am about how we should all spit on the group from LA when we see them? And yeah, I'd say spitting on someone for disagreeing is 100% persecution.
 
2011-12-22 08:14:23 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Maybe you aren't seeing the same comments I am about how we should all spit on the group from LA when we see them? And yeah, I'd say spitting on someone for disagreeing is 100% persecution.


While I don't want to spit on them I just think they're hateful twats. Is that persecution also?
 
2011-12-22 08:15:32 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: keylock71: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: rant

I'll direct you to the article:

The Girl Scouts of Colorado subsequently released a statement through the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) in support of Archuleta and her excluded daughter, noting, "If a child identifies as a girl and the child's family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout."

Added Rachelle Trujillo, vice president for communications of the Colorado Girl Scouts: "If a child is living as a girl, that's good enough for us. We don't require any proof of gender."


The Colorado Troop in question apparently doesn't have a problem with it. Some backwoods fundamentalists in Louisiana do.

I know what you're saying, but it's the fundamentalists in LA's choice how they want to align and represent themselves. Why should people persecute them because they didn't want to be associated with a group that no longer represents them in the way they wanted it to? People are saying how we should be tolerant, but where's the tolerance for the LA's groups choice to disband?


This. I think the fundamentalists' opinion is backward and stupid and closed-minded and all that, but they're still free to have it. I fail to see how their refusal to associated with GLBTWTFBBQ individuals is in any way my business.
 
2011-12-22 08:15:34 AM  

Carth: Snappingturtle: At 7 years old the parents should be protecting this child. He has a lifetime to make a decision on how he wants yo live his life. I feel sorry for him because now this will be known to his peers and will have a difficult time in school. People are delusional if you don't think he will be taunted by all of this. The parents of the girls have the right to raise their daughters as they see fit. They pulled them out of the girl scouts and joined another group and now there is no more girl scout troop in the area because of someone else trying to impose their values onto someone else. Everyone has the right to live their life according to their values.

I don't know the kid seems pretty happy in the video. Gender identity starts very young and he would be teased and made fun of for being trans at any age. If when he gets older he decides to live as a boy there is nothing stopping him from doing that.


All I am saying is the parents should protect the child while he is growing up. How he wants to live is no one else's business. Also it is no one else's business how the girl's parents want to raise them.We live in a country where we are supposed to be free from persecution for whatever beliefs we have.
 
2011-12-22 08:15:38 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: A Colorado-based Girl Scouts troop's decision to admit a 7-year-old transgender child this fall has prompted three leaders to resign and dissolve their troops.

As The Christian Post is reporting, all three of the troop leaders were affiliated with the Northlake Christian School in Covington, Louisiana.

Soooo, a Colorado troup admits the kid, and that makes a bunch of stick-up-their-ass Louisiana Christians think it's their farking business and take the entire experience of scouting away from the girls in their troup. Got it.


This just in: Christians are a bunch of demented f*ckwit busybodies who tend to cut off their noses to spite other people's faces. Ric Romero reports.


Actually, most human beings are a bunch of demented farkwit busybodies. But if you feel that you need to single out one group of people, I guess that's your trip. Have fun!
 
2011-12-22 08:15:49 AM  

TheOmni: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .

Short answer, yes. Check out this article. It's a pretty positive article about identical twin boys that turned out to be a brother and sister,and it lets you know exactly how early this realization can occur.

And I'm assuming the mother knows her daughter somewhat better than us folks reading about it on the internet.


That would kind of preclude the "it's genetic" argument.
 
2011-12-22 08:15:51 AM  
intolerant bunch, not letting people different then them join their group...

www.thecotilliononline.com

Link (new window)
 
2011-12-22 08:16:55 AM  
It's called girl scouts, not feminine scouts.
 
2011-12-22 08:17:52 AM  

A Terrible Human: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Maybe you aren't seeing the same comments I am about how we should all spit on the group from LA when we see them? And yeah, I'd say spitting on someone for disagreeing is 100% persecution.

While I don't want to spit on them I just think they're hateful twats. Is that persecution also?


No it isn't. That's just an opinion.
 
2011-12-22 08:17:56 AM  
There are plenty of adult men who are girl scouts. What's one more boy? (biologically, anyway)

What whiny children these troop leaders are.
 
2011-12-22 08:18:02 AM  
I am not an expert on gender issues but even if I were without meeting this girl I wouldn't be able to make the sort of definitive 'he's a boy', or 'she's a girl' statements you folks are making. I would hope, though, that we could all agree that the folks putting their views ahead of the troops by disbanding are coonts.
 
2011-12-22 08:18:40 AM  

NEDM: A Terrible Human: Dadoody: Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.

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Can we start with you?

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The God Emperor of Mankind frowns upon your lack of knowledge.


Probably took the saying "Blessed is the mind too small to doubt." a bit too much to heart.

Slaanesh would happily have them in the ranks of the daemonette guides.

wh40k.lexicanum.com
 
2011-12-22 08:20:15 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Maybe you aren't seeing the same comments I am about how we should all spit on the group from LA when we see them? And yeah, I'd say spitting on someone for disagreeing is 100% persecution.

per·se·cute

: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict;

What punishment or injury has been inflicted on the LA folks?

None.

These folks now have their precious snow flakes in a more fundamentalist group more in line with their outdated beliefs. Everyone is happy and no one is being persecuted.

So stop whining.
 
2011-12-22 08:20:26 AM  

Egoy3k: I am not an expert on gender issues but even if I were without meeting this girl I wouldn't be able to make the sort of definitive 'he's a boy', or 'she's a girl' statements you folks are making. I would hope, though, that we could all agree that the folks putting their views ahead of the troops by disbanding are coonts.


To be definitive you would have to see the kid's genitals and that would land you a visit from "why don't you take a seat right over there" guy
 
2011-12-22 08:23:11 AM  
Can't figure out if it's hate disguised as fear
or
fear disguised as hate

Not suuuuure . . .

well anyway, just keep being good christians and uh, drop dead as soon as you can, mmmkay?
 
2011-12-22 08:23:15 AM  

TravisBickle62: Egoy3k: I am not an expert on gender issues but even if I were without meeting this girl I wouldn't be able to make the sort of definitive 'he's a boy', or 'she's a girl' statements you folks are making. I would hope, though, that we could all agree that the folks putting their views ahead of the troops by disbanding are coonts.

To be definitive you would have to see the kid's genitals and that would land you a visit from "why don't you take a seat right over there" guy


Even then you couldn't be sure. Look at that female sprinter who everyone said what a male. They had to do all kinds of genetic testing a simple "pull down your pants" doesn't always work.
 
2011-12-22 08:23:34 AM  

Tigger: In fact it's MORE likely that a transgender individual will report identity issues prior to puberty rather than after.


Considering Gender Identity is a sociological and psychological concept rather than something hard science can deal with, claiming absolute facts is fairly dangerous.

/But seriously, girl scouts, don't you have better things to do than whine about "dangerous" seven year olds that don't fit your repressed little world view?
 
2011-12-22 08:25:03 AM  
Kudos to the Girl Scout troop for being accepting. There isn't a real reason to exclude this child other than other people's butthurt. But, this child will never be fully accepted as a girl. This kid can certainly not play on a girl's sports team, nor should she be allowed to. There are physical differences between boys and girls, and unfortunately you can't just let this child play on the girl's team. It is unfair, but to let the child play, it would be unfair to the other girls.

I am completely ignorant of this whole transgender thing. At seven, how do you tell the difference between a boy who just likes pretty things and a boy who believes he should be a girl? I don't think the Boobieser in this thread was being hateful in what he said, he just lacked tact in wondering this same thing.
 
2011-12-22 08:25:34 AM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: One girl was called Jean Marie,
Another little girl was called Felicity,
Another little girl was Sally Joy,
The other was me, and I'm a boy.


Get your frock on, Jane Marie.
Brush your hair, Felicity.
Paint your nails, little Sally Joy.
Put this wig on, little boy. . . .

Didn't check to see if this got posted already. Hope not.

/LOVE the Who
 
2011-12-22 08:25:37 AM  

Silvara: I don't think puberty is required for sexual identity. There are plenty of transgender people out there who will tell you they identified as such long before puberty. Sometimes it very specifically comes down to genes.


You know what? If I'd spent thousands of dollars mutilating myself I might be able to imagine (falsely) that I'd always thought of myself that way. In fact, I could claim that anything anyone doesn't like about me has "always been there" in order to avoid questions about how I got the way I am.

Q: Excuse me, Kal-el. When did you decide to be super-human?
A: Oh, I've been superhuman as along as I can remember. In fact I landed in a spaceship and was found by the Kents, my foster parents.

Yeah, unless you were found in a rocket ship from the planet we-put-spirits-in-the-wrong-body-topia, odds are it's just your selective memory and selective analysis looking at a few choice memories and a few select photographs and reinforcing the facts as you now know them.
 
2011-12-22 08:26:22 AM  

Baryogenesis:

Your intelligent and well thought out post astounds me. Transgender == different species. Simply amazing!


It's the GIRL scouts. The person was not a girl, douchenozzle. So if you folks are going to allow people who are not girls into the GIRL scouts, then why stop at this species? Why not horses and bacteria? Why not trees and rocks?
 
2011-12-22 08:26:45 AM  

Carth: TravisBickle62: Egoy3k: I am not an expert on gender issues but even if I were without meeting this girl I wouldn't be able to make the sort of definitive 'he's a boy', or 'she's a girl' statements you folks are making. I would hope, though, that we could all agree that the folks putting their views ahead of the troops by disbanding are coonts.

To be definitive you would have to see the kid's genitals and that would land you a visit from "why don't you take a seat right over there" guy

Even then you couldn't be sure. Look at that female sprinter who everyone said what a male. They had to do all kinds of genetic testing a simple "pull down your pants" doesn't always work.


It may not always work but in 99.9% of the cases it will
 
2011-12-22 08:27:09 AM  

Silvara: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .

I don't think puberty is required for sexual identity. There are plenty of transgender people out there who will tell you they identified as such long before puberty. Sometimes it very specifically comes down to genes.


You're right. XY or XX, take your pick (actually don't: you don't have a choice in the matter)
 
2011-12-22 08:28:24 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice:
I know what you're saying, but it's the fundamentalists in LA's choice how they want to align and represent themselves. Why should people persecute them because they didn't want to be associated with a group that no longer represents them in the way they wanted it to? People are saying how we should be tolerant, but where's the tolerance for the LA's groups choice to disband?



They weren't being persecuted, they resigned their positions. They weren't being persecuted, they were the persecutors who would not have been allowed to march with their agenda which is bigoted, selfish and unhealthy for children to be around.

They shouldn't be scout leaders unless they can show tolerance for diverse situations.
 
2011-12-22 08:28:54 AM  

StrangeQ: You're right. XY or XX, take your pick (actually don't: you don't have a choice in the matter)


What about XXY or various other trisomys?
 
2011-12-22 08:30:32 AM  

SevenizGud: Baryogenesis:

Your intelligent and well thought out post astounds me. Transgender == different species. Simply amazing!

It's the GIRL scouts. The person was not a girl, douchenozzle. So if you folks are going to allow people who are not girls into the GIRL scouts, then why stop at this species? Why not horses and bacteria? Why not trees and rocks?


Do you understand the difference between sex and gender?

People who care that much about 7 year olds' sex organs have problems.
 
2011-12-22 08:31:16 AM  
I'm not against living-and-letting-live. I've known a couple of transfolk ("transformer" is considered derogatory these days.) and had no particular problem with them. People are who they are. The people in question pay taxes, vote, etc. and are entitled to conduct their lives without being f*cked with.

That said, I DO think that at some point everyday reality has to kick in. If I employ someone who thinks he's really a cat, am I morally obliged to provide him with a litter box?
 
2011-12-22 08:31:20 AM  
Little brown boy girls aren't the answer.
 
2011-12-22 08:31:33 AM  

haemaker: Genevieve Marie: Tatsuma: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

A gender identity is not the same thing as a sexual identity.

Yea, it would be awesome if she is transgender AND lesbian! That would really freak them out.


Like one of my good friends is?
 
2011-12-22 08:32:44 AM  

Marcintosh: Can't figure out if it's hate disguised as fear
or
fear disguised as hate

Not suuuuure . . .

well anyway, just keep being good christians and uh, drop dead as soon as you can, mmmkay?


Mensa doesn't hate or fear you, you just didn't meet the criteria. You'll get over it.
 
2011-12-22 08:32:56 AM  

Baryogenesis: Baryogenesis: Remind me which group made the big stink about the transgender girl. Was it the family who just wanted their daughter to be allowed in the Girl Scouts? Or was it the 3 butt hurt troop leaders in another state that resigned and disbanded their troops in protest?

I would say trying to getting a male in a group with is primarily defined as a group that is made up of no males is making a stink.

The scout troop ended up welcoming the transgender child. Yes, quite the uproar.


The fact remains that this all started with a family wanting a male in an all-female group. I think the peopel from LA are asshats, but don't pretend thay are the only ones making afuss.
 
2011-12-22 08:33:04 AM  
gender & sexual identity is not a choice.

And neither is a binary proposition. There is a gender continuum. This kid feels that she is a girl regardless of the physical display of male sex organs. Just like I feel like a straight male.

I didn't choose to be a straight male, I was born that way...most lucky people are born with the physical & emotionally gender aligned - it helps keep the species going. Others are not, but it is in no way a choice.
 
2011-12-22 08:33:58 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Soooo, a Colorado troup admits the kid, and that makes a bunch of stick-up-their-ass Louisiana Christians think it's their farking business and take the entire experience of scouting away from the girls in their troup. Got it.


Or you know, since the leaders are generally volunteers, they may have quit because not getting paid to have crazies scream at them doesn't seem like a fun way to spend their free time. It's possible the leaders are intolerant farkwards, but it's also possible they just didn't want to be stuck in the middle of the mess.
 
2011-12-22 08:34:08 AM  

Carth: Do you understand the difference between sex and gender?

People who care that much about 7 year olds' sex organs have problems.


Well, technically, if it is Girl Scouts it would be referring to sex and not gender.

Dictionary defines Girl as "a female child, from birth to full growth."

and female as "a person bearing two X chromosomes in the cell nuclei and normally having a vagina, a uterus and ovaries, and developing at puberty a relatively rounded body and enlarged breasts, and retaining a beardless face; a girl or woman."

Regardless of what you want to call yourself in the social construct of gender, under a strict reading, Girl scouts are based on sex...
 
2011-12-22 08:36:28 AM  
The controversy began when Felisha Archuleta protested against a Denver troop's decision to not initially allow her transgender daughter, Bobby Montoya, to join the group. "I believe he was born in the wrong body," Archuleta, who also confessed to having difficulty switching from male to female pronouns when discussing her child, told ABC. "But the Girl Scout leader told us he can't join because he has 'boy parts.'... But no one would know he's a boy unless they pulled his pants down."

Your child is a boy who is farked in the head because of YOU.
He's not "transgendered," just confused as hell.
 
2011-12-22 08:36:38 AM  

FaceRape: This kid feels that she is a girl regardless of the physical display of male sex organs.


The word "girl" in girl scouts is a word that denotes sex, not gender. A bulldyke would be accepted to girl scouts, because it has a vagina. This isn't a difficult concept...
 
2011-12-22 08:36:53 AM  

FaceRape: I didn't choose to be a straight male, I was born that way...most lucky people are born with the physical & emotionally gender aligned - it helps keep the species going


Interesting that you have solved the nature/nuture debate - you should call the psychologists and sociologists of the world and tell them that you've got that one off their plate for them..
 
2011-12-22 08:41:05 AM  

keylock71: I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Maybe you aren't seeing the same comments I am about how we should all spit on the group from LA when we see them? And yeah, I'd say spitting on someone for disagreeing is 100% persecution.

per·se·cute
: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict;

douch.baggery
: to act like or imitate Keylock71.

Stop getting hung up on one word out of a long statement there buddy. And by your so carefully executed definition you'd say that me spitting on you for not believing what I believe isn't persecution? Sweet! Come on over and let SpitFest 99' begin!

 
2011-12-22 08:41:19 AM  
Am I the only one who reads "transgendered 7 year old" as "parents wanted a girl?"
 
2011-12-22 08:41:21 AM  

lilplatinum: Carth: Do you understand the difference between sex and gender?

People who care that much about 7 year olds' sex organs have problems.

Well, technically, if it is Girl Scouts it would be referring to sex and not gender.

Dictionary defines Girl as "a female child, from birth to full growth."

and female as "a person bearing two X chromosomes in the cell nuclei and normally having a vagina, a uterus and ovaries, and developing at puberty a relatively rounded body and enlarged breasts, and retaining a beardless face; a girl or woman."

Regardless of what you want to call yourself in the social construct of gender, under a strict reading, Girl scouts are based on sex...


I think that would depend on the girl scouts charter or at least the legal definition not the one in merriam webster. The legal definition of female is a lot more involved.
 
2011-12-22 08:43:27 AM  
To repeat the title of Lord Bertrand Russell's book. "Why I Am Not A Christian".
 
2011-12-22 08:45:39 AM  
Call it the pussy scouts. Then if your son wanted to join, then you could argue that he is a pussy.
 
2011-12-22 08:45:55 AM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: According to the prevailing attitude of those professing tolerance in these threads that pen1s cannot/does not define you.

So why hate it so much?


Because others use the penis to define you, whether you want them to or not. It's like if you're born with a third hand. You might not consider that the most important thing about you, and you might not want people to consider that the most important thing about you, but damn if there won't be some school kids who call you "Three-hand, three-hand, lalalala mutant three-hand".

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Maybe you aren't seeing the same comments I am about how we should all spit on the group from LA when we see them? And yeah, I'd say spitting on someone for disagreeing is 100% persecution.


Doing a search through this thread for "spit" produces two results. One saying you should spit on anyone selling goods for BSA/GSA, and the other calling the first one intolerant.
 
2011-12-22 08:46:43 AM  

Jobber8742: Kudos to the Girl Scout troop for being accepting. There isn't a real reason to exclude this child other than other people's butthurt. But, this child will never be fully accepted as a girl. This kid can certainly not play on a girl's sports team, nor should she be allowed to. There are physical differences between boys and girls, and unfortunately you can't just let this child play on the girl's team. It is unfair, but to let the child play, it would be unfair to the other girls.

I am completely ignorant of this whole transgender thing. At seven, how do you tell the difference between a boy who just likes pretty things and a boy who believes he should be a girl? I don't think the Boobieser in this thread was being hateful in what he said, he just lacked tact in wondering this same thing.


How do you tell the difference? You don't. The child tells you. In fact the child keeps telling everyone she or he can, and hopefully someone listens.
 
2011-12-22 08:47:51 AM  

Baryogenesis: HoneyDog: You answered your own question. It's not about liking certain toys or playing sports. It's just your preference.

But from what others have said above, my preference of activities makes me male. I get along and relate better to males. No chick flicks or romance novels for me.

But you still identify as female and that's the point. It's only a matter of what you prefer to identify as, male or female. Someone can identify as a girl and still not like stereotypically girl things as you have shown.


I believe her point is that at age 7, children are remarkably malleable towards echoing their parents' wishes. In her case, because of her outwardly male social orientation, had her parents decided she was transgendered, she likely would have gone along with it -- despite her not actually being transgendered; merely tomboyish.

7 year olds aren't old enough to choose their own bed times. It's somewhat ridiculous to simultaneously believe they can understand the ramifications of reassigning their gender.
 
2011-12-22 08:49:02 AM  

This text is now purple: Baryogenesis: HoneyDog: You answered your own question. It's not about liking certain toys or playing sports. It's just your preference.

But from what others have said above, my preference of activities makes me male. I get along and relate better to males. No chick flicks or romance novels for me.

But you still identify as female and that's the point. It's only a matter of what you prefer to identify as, male or female. Someone can identify as a girl and still not like stereotypically girl things as you have shown.

I believe her point is that at age 7, children are remarkably malleable towards echoing their parents' wishes. In her case, because of her outwardly male social orientation, had her parents decided she was transgendered, she likely would have gone along with it -- despite her not actually being transgendered; merely tomboyish.

7 year olds aren't old enough to choose their own bed times. It's somewhat ridiculous to simultaneously believe they can understand the ramifications of reassigning their gender.


So if a 7 year old does say "I want to live as a girl" should the parents say no and force them to live as a boy?
 
2011-12-22 08:49:36 AM  
What the fark? So they don't think that a child with a penis and no female sex organs should be joining the Girl Scouts? Whats wrong with these people.
 
2011-12-22 08:50:05 AM  

Carth: lilplatinum: Carth: Do you understand the difference between sex and gender?

People who care that much about 7 year olds' sex organs have problems.

Well, technically, if it is Girl Scouts it would be referring to sex and not gender.

Dictionary defines Girl as "a female child, from birth to full growth."

and female as "a person bearing two X chromosomes in the cell nuclei and normally having a vagina, a uterus and ovaries, and developing at puberty a relatively rounded body and enlarged breasts, and retaining a beardless face; a girl or woman."

Regardless of what you want to call yourself in the social construct of gender, under a strict reading, Girl scouts are based on sex...

I think that would depend on the girl scouts charter or at least the legal definition not the one in merriam webster. The legal definition of female is a lot more involved.


Legally speaking it simply depends on the state's application of civil rights legislation. Federal civil rights legislation does not prevent private clubs from discrimination while some states do, and even in those that do you have to be one of the ones that includes "gender identity" as a protected class.

Also from a non law but just legal definition of girl concept, I suppose it would depend on if his family got the gender changed on the birth certificate - not sure what the requirements of that are since I don't care enough to look.
 
2011-12-22 08:50:46 AM  

Carth: So if a 7 year old does say "I want to live as a girl" should the parents say no and force them to live as a boy?


If a 7 year old says "I want to eat cake for 3 meals a day" should the parents say no and force him to eat his dinner?
 
2011-12-22 08:51:34 AM  

imontheinternet: Am I the only one who reads "transgendered 7 year old" as "parents wanted a girl?"


Perhaps they just wanted a unique hobby.

Some people collect snakes. Some people collect commemorative plates. These people decided to screw up their child's life.
 
2011-12-22 08:52:05 AM  

imontheinternet: Am I the only one who reads "transgendered 7 year old" as "parents wanted a girl?"


No, there are plenty of other douchebags who got here before you.

lilplatinum: StrangeQ: You're right. XY or XX, take your pick (actually don't: you don't have a choice in the matter)

What about XXY or various other trisomys?


Or persons with XY and female genitalia. Or XX and male genitalia. They are rare, but they occur.
 
2011-12-22 08:52:54 AM  

Charles Martel: Perhaps they just wanted a unique hobby.

Some people collect snakes. Some people collect commemorative plates. These people decided to screw up their child's life.



You should pray for them.
 
2011-12-22 08:53:13 AM  

imontheinternet: Am I the only one who reads "transgendered 7 year old" as "parents wanted a girl?"


imontheinternet: Am I the only one who reads "transgendered 7 year old" as "parents wanted a girl?"


No. A 7 year old has no clue on what sex they are other then mine is an outtie and her's is an innie. I am not saying the kid can't be effeminate or even gay, but to say he is transgender at this age is crazy . I can almost guarantee that this child's mother is a complete loon...
 
2011-12-22 08:53:13 AM  
There is a strong current of Fundies isolating themselves from the communities as a whole. They have separate Scout like organizations, they home school, their social excursions are to church related functions, and they go to schools/colleges/media that only reinforce their narrow world views.

No wonder that they are constantly shocked and appalled when they run into something that does not fit with their paradigm.

No wonder younger evangelicals are abandoning the cloister.
 
2011-12-22 08:53:50 AM  
technicolor-misfit 2011-12-22 06:44:44 AM

Gdalescrboz: The "tolerance" argument is what people use when they can't think of anything to say that makes sense. If your argument is "you are wrong because you are intolerant," then you are wrong.


How about "it's none of your farking business, dickwad?"

If the girl is happier, if her parents are at peace with it, if the GSA is accepting of it, and if if the girls and parents of the troop she belongs to have no problem with it... then how about you take your farking nose out of their business and put in a goddamn book for a few minutes and try to knock some of the steaming pile stupid off your farking noggin.


You also someone is wrong when they turn to insults. On a side note, you complety missed my point. If you can't come up with a better argument that "you are intolerant," then it doesnt sound liek you have a very good argument
 
2011-12-22 08:55:56 AM  

lilplatinum:

Legally speaking it simply depends on the state's application of civil rights legislation. Federal civil rights legislation does not prevent private clubs from discrimination while some states do, and even in those that do you have to be one of the ones that includes "gender identity" as a protected class.

Also from a non law but just legal definition of girl concept, I suppose it would depend on if his family got the gender changed on the birth certificate - not sure what the requirements of that are since I don't care enough to look.


Federally it goes by your birth certificate I didn't care enough to look into what CO's requirements were to change it.

lilplatinum: Carth: So if a 7 year old does say "I want to live as a girl" should the parents say no and force them to live as a boy?

If a 7 year old says "I want to eat cake for 3 meals a day" should the parents say no and force him to eat his dinner?


If a person can be genetically born to only eat cake than yes. It is like telling your gay son he still has to date females.
 
2011-12-22 08:56:38 AM  

RminusQ: imontheinternet: Am I the only one who reads "transgendered 7 year old" as "parents wanted a girl?"

No, there are plenty of other douchebags who got here before you.

lilplatinum: StrangeQ: You're right. XY or XX, take your pick (actually don't: you don't have a choice in the matter)

What about XXY or various other trisomys?

Or persons with XY and female genitalia. Or XX and male genitalia. They are rare, but they occur.


Same question I posed to platinum: was this kid one of those?
 
2011-12-22 08:57:43 AM  
I have a 7 year old son who thinks he is an armed and legged person in a quadruple amputee's body. And I agree with him.

Should we have his arms and legs cut off, or have him live a lie, doing untold psychological trauma, and scarring him for life?
 
2011-12-22 08:57:55 AM  

liverleef: What the fark? So they don't think that a child with a penis and no female sex organs should be joining the Girl Scouts? Whats wrong with these people.


Here on fark, if a group of Christians thinks or does something, many farkers will generally take an opposing position. It doesn't even matter if they have to take an obviously falsifiable position either, as long as they can feel secure in knowing they didn't agree with a Christian.
 
2011-12-22 08:58:11 AM  

StrangeQ: RminusQ: imontheinternet: Am I the only one who reads "transgendered 7 year old" as "parents wanted a girl?"

No, there are plenty of other douchebags who got here before you.

lilplatinum: StrangeQ: You're right. XY or XX, take your pick (actually don't: you don't have a choice in the matter)

What about XXY or various other trisomys?

Or persons with XY and female genitalia. Or XX and male genitalia. They are rare, but they occur.

Same question I posed to platinum: was this kid one of those?


If you want to pay for the genetic testing you can make the offer to the parents.
 
2011-12-22 08:58:18 AM  
The child has every right to be what they want to be but trying to join an organization that by definition excludes you is just making a nuisance of yourself. THAT being said, the chapter she joined let her in. So the real problem here is with the other stuckup coonts that give a shiat.
 
2011-12-22 08:59:26 AM  

Carth:
If a person can be genetically born to only eat cake than yes. It is like telling your gay son he still has to date females.


Except

1) The extent of genetic to social influence in Genetic Identity Disorder is still largely up to date

and more importantly

2) In this case we are assuming that because a 7 year old wants to be a girl they automatically qualify on the DSM-IV as having it.
 
2011-12-22 08:59:54 AM  
So, what happens in 7 years when "she" wants to join the Girl's Volleyball/Soccer Team in school? Is it competative fairness? As a parent of a 14, 15, 16 year year old girl are you ok letting your daughter shower with "her"? If she's successful, does she get a spot on the Women's Olympic Team?

At what point do we begin telling the kid, "Sorry honey, you have a penis and we don't accept those in this organization"?

Personally, I think boys should be allowed to join Girl Scouts, and vice versa. The organizations teach two different sets of activities and in todays society it's not a profound statement if a man wants to cook/sew or a woman wants to hunt/fish/camp.
 
2011-12-22 09:00:06 AM  

RminusQ: iNo, there are plenty of other douchebags who got here before you.


A boy who likes to play with dolls and act feminine isn't necessarily a girl. He might just be gay. Why are you so prejudiced against gay people that you would force them to be something they're not, i.e. straight females? Do gay people scare you? Do you also think black people should be raised as whites if they show an affinity for polka music and mayonaise at a young age?

You're clearly a bigot. I'm reporting you to the Liberal Butthurt Brigade.
 
2011-12-22 09:00:07 AM  
Why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
 
2011-12-22 09:00:17 AM  

Gdalescrboz: How about "it's none of your farking business, dickwad?"


Gdalescrboz: technicolor-misfit 2011-12-22 06:44:44 AM

Gdalescrboz: The "tolerance" argument is what people use when they can't think of anything to say that makes sense. If your argument is "you are wrong because you are intolerant," then you are wrong.


How about "it's none of your farking business, dickwad?"


If the girl is happier, if her parents are at peace with it, if the GSA is accepting of it, and if if the girls and parents of the troop she belongs to have no problem with it... then how about you take your farking nose out of their business and put in a goddamn book for a few minutes and try to knock some of the steaming pile stupid off your farking noggin.

You also someone is wrong when they turn to insults. On a side note, you complety missed my point. If you can't come up with a better argument that "you are intolerant," then it doesnt sound liek you have a very good argument



No hate like liberal hate...

Liberals have tolerance of other people's views as long as it agrees with theirs or you are labeled a racist, sexist, or whatever ___ist.
 
2011-12-22 09:01:12 AM  
Balloon boy with longer hair.
 
2011-12-22 09:01:18 AM  

Silvara: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .

I don't think puberty is required for sexual identity. There are plenty of transgender people out there who will tell you they identified as such long before puberty. Sometimes it very specifically comes down to genes.


This is the common but mistaken conflation of gender identity and gender-defined sexual orientation. The two are popularly conflated in the public mind because the gender orientation of affectional attraction, especially sexual attraction, is so deeply ingrained in both the social reality and the popular consciousness, and so often defined in strictly adult terms, that many people find it very difficult to grasp the notion that a person's own gender identity is separate from the gender orientation of their external attractions.

The actual mechanism of gender dysphoria remains poorly understood, but the reality and force of it has been recognised and (not by everyone, to be sure) accepted for much longer than modern medicine has been around. From what I've read so far, and admittedly not that recently (I recommend Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling's works on this subject, for general readers), current theory revolves around structural and functional differences between 'male' and 'female' typified brains, now much more visible using fMRI and similar techniques. That is, we are the person who lives in our braincase, no matter what the rest of our body suggests. Because the complex biomechanics of neonatal gender differentiation can result in an essentially female brain being placed in an essentially male habitus, or vice versa, it's probably much more common than suspected. Our bodies being much simpler than our brains, but our brains being much more malleable, it's quite likely that borderline gender dysmorphics (who may actually be much more numerous than 'textbook' transgenders) just learn to live with it, one way or another, and may never even figure it out for themselves. But complete dysmorphics don't, and can't.

So yes, it seems very likely that a large number of transgenders already know who they are at a very young age, long before they have any notions or understandings about romance and sex, never mind any considerations of what sort of other people they might be attracted to.

Nevertheless, it's most common for people -- by which I mean adults (if not necessarily grown-ups) -- to conflate these two, in fact considering them part and parcel of the same sphere, and for that inseparable -- in complete defiance of the clinical reality. We say a man is 'effeminate' or a woman is 'masculine' if they don't conform to tightly defined social gender roles, and that's why people consider transgenders 'gay'. Never mind that the very concept of transgenderism begs us to question the rationale behind the inherently derivative concepts of 'gay' and 'straight'. It's perhaps that threat, more than anything else, that gets many people's panties in a twist.

The most common reaction is for people to express dismay and confusion, but what they're really expressing is the cognitive dissonance generated by the confrontation of reality with the preconceptions -- the received wisdom, if you will -- that our culture has handed all of us. The fact that those preconceptions happen to be factually incorrect, and incompatible with the deeper and more interesting complexities of reality, is more than a lot of people want to deal with. So to the extent that they can avoid dealing with it by the traditional -- and often socially approved -- methods of denial, denigration, and so on, they often will take the short, low road, rather than the more challenging high road.

All of which is why only a very few lucky kids can have nice things like acceptance and respect.
 
2011-12-22 09:04:08 AM  

SevenizGud: I want to have my stain of bacteria admitted to the girl scouts.

[phil.cdc.gov image 640x428]

Sure, it's a different species, but you would only know that if you observed it.

Whatsamatter? Where's your tolerance?


GNID. Hmm, did you pick gonnococcus or were you born that way?
 
2011-12-22 09:04:39 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope:

This just in: Christians are a bunch of demented f*ckwit busybodies who tend to cut off their noses to spite other people's faces. Ric Romero reports.


Yep, all of us, every single one of us.
Just like Muslims all blow up markets and white people are all rich plantation owners.
Every single one of them.
 
2011-12-22 09:05:11 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

In a word, yes.

Also, consider that the girl in question was admitted to a troop in Colorado, and the troops that broke up are in Louisiana. That's right, people not even in the same state are so butthurt than instead of be mature adults they have to throw hissy fits.


This is why I like to make it clear that I was born in New Orleans, and not merely "in Louisiana".
 
2011-12-22 09:05:42 AM  

osafer: No. A 7 year old has no clue on what sex they are other then mine is an outtie and her's is an innie. I am not saying the kid can't be effeminate or even gay, but to say he is transgender at this age is crazy . I can almost guarantee that this child's mother is a complete loon...


This. My son likes dolls, but he also likes trucks... he plays with his sisters barbies as often as she plays with his hot wheels. But he hasn't picked or been assigned or reassigned. I don't know how I would address if he constantly wanted to only wear skirts and such - but whatever my choice, it wouldn't be "well, then you're transgender now!". I think that at this age, much like playing "war" and such helps boys "work things out", wearing female clothes might just be how a child works things out. It's not about "I am unhappy as [previous gender]" or "I must be [new gender]". They're just ... figuring it out.

If gender identity is unrelated to sexual identity, then why did the 'good' article linked on the first page have a transgender boy who was physically altered to be a girl? The issues described in that article are how he interacts with material items.

Female clothes look odd on males because they're not tailored for their form. They're different. Men and women are different. When a little boy wants to wear girl clothes, it's not wrong because of who he or she is, it just looks unappealing because the clothes simply aren't intended for that purpose.

Isn't it a spectrum anyway? I've always thought that. If you lay out how you look ('male/female') on one axis and how you act on another - but don't call it 'male' and 'female' is there any purpose to the entire transgender movement at that point? I've always viewed guys who behave more 'like girls' as still guys. But it sounds like the behavior axis is being used as a means to justify an alteration of the appearance axis.
 
2011-12-22 09:05:47 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Silvara: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .

I don't think puberty is required for sexual identity. There are plenty of transgender people out there who will tell you they identified as such long before puberty. Sometimes it very specifically comes down to genes.

This is the common but mistaken conflation of gender identity and gender-defined sexual orientation. The two are popularly conflated in the public mind because the gender orientation of affectional attraction, especially sexual attraction, is so deeply ingrained in both the social reality and the popular consciousness, and so often defined in strictly adult terms, that many people find it very difficult to grasp the notion that a person's own gender identity is separate from the gender orientation of their external attractions.

The actual mechanism of gender dysphoria remains poorly understood, but the reality and force of it has been recognised and (not by everyone, to be sure) accepted for much longer than modern medicine has been around. From what I've read so far, and admittedly not that recently (I recommend Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling's works on this subject, for general readers), current theory revolves around structural and functional differences between 'male' and 'female' typified brains, now much more visible using fMRI and similar techniques. That is, we are the person who lives in our braincase, no matter what the rest of our body suggests. Because the complex biomechanics of neonatal gender differentiation can result in an essentially female brain being placed in an essentially male habitus, or vice versa, it's probably much more common than suspected. Our bodies being much ...


Please keep your comments to a paragraph or less, and with more snark, this is fark Christ's sake...
 
2011-12-22 09:05:57 AM  

Silvara: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .

I don't think puberty is required for sexual identity. There are plenty of transgender people out there who will tell you they identified as such long before puberty. Sometimes it very specifically comes down to genes.


I just wanted to add there seems to be a neurological basis for this "feeling" too, like (to use computer lingo) the wrong hardware drivers were loaded onto the fetal OS while in the womb. I don't "get" TG people but they aren't necessarily snowflake attention whores etc. It's a little bit deeper than mere "feelings".
 
2011-12-22 09:06:26 AM  

lilplatinum: Carth:
If a person can be genetically born to only eat cake than yes. It is like telling your gay son he still has to date females.

Except

1) The extent of genetic to social influence in Genetic Identity Disorder is still largely up to date

and more importantly

2) In this case we are assuming that because a 7 year old wants to be a girl they automatically qualify on the DSM-IV as having it.


I agree. I think the parents should do what is least likely to result in harm to the child. In this case that would be letting him live as a girl if she wants and letting her go back to living as a boy if she wishes.

Forcing a her to live as a boy if she doesn't want to could set up a life long problem with gender identity. Letting her live as a girl if it is only a phase will be an embarrassing thing she did at 7.

Would it be difficult to transition back to living as a boy at 13? probably but switching to a new school after a summer break would solve almost all the problems.

Hopefully the kid is already in therapy because she'll definitely need it in the years to come.
 
2011-12-22 09:06:58 AM  
If a little boy acts like a little girl, that's just fine. If a little boy acts like a little boy that a suspension, some counseling and a prescription for Ritalin.
 
2011-12-22 09:07:14 AM  
How can it be "genetic" if he has an identical twin that doesn't have this issue.

Does a 7 yr old really understand what "being a girl" is? I don't think that wanting long hair, playing with dolls and wearing dresses should equate to my son wants a vagina and to become a girl.

I think that society has given parents a diagnoses that they make happen in their kids sometimes. How much of the parents " Acceptance" maybe caused the child to say HEY I GET MORE ATTENTION doing this. And then it was what got accustomed to.

I didnt know girl from boy at that age and I dont think he does either.
 
2011-12-22 09:08:57 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Stop getting hung up on one word out of a long statement there buddy. And by your so carefully executed definition you'd say that me spitting on you for not believing what I believe isn't persecution? Sweet! Come on over and let SpitFest 99' begin!


You let me know when they actually get spit on, and you might have a point.

Don't get pissy because you don't understand the words you're using.
 
2011-12-22 09:08:57 AM  
www.sadanduseless.com
Wow.
 
2011-12-22 09:09:14 AM  

StrangeQ: Same question I posed to platinum: was this kid one of those?


How the hell should I know? I prefer to let this family and this child deal with their own situation as they see fit. And while I do not doubt that there are a great number of things that a 7-year-old does not know, I feel like one's self is something you figure out relatively quickly.
Might she change her mind down the road? Might she regret presenting as a girl through her youth? Perhaps. It has happened before and it will happen again. But it's none of my damn business, and you'll notice that very few if any of those advocating a strict binary of genders have any evidence to support their belief that "This is just mommy wanting a daughter and insisting upon her son."
 
2011-12-22 09:10:39 AM  

GAT_00: Gig103: This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .

Yes, the GIRL SCOUTS are the party in the right here.


GIRL SCOUTS, not TRANSGENDER SCOUTS.

Stupid libs trying to impose yet another tyranny of the minority.
 
2011-12-22 09:12:15 AM  
Funny how upset people want to get about "intolerance" instead of the horrific travesty of what is being done to the child.
 
2011-12-22 09:12:37 AM  

give me doughnuts: So if parents ever come into the workplace trying to fund-raise for their kids in American Heritage Scouts (Boys and Girls), please be so kind as to spit in their eye.


I've always found it important to never stoop to the low tactics one would despise in anyone else. As Ann Magnuson said, when you start thinking like that, you start thinking like them. Or as Gandhi said, BE the change you want to see. Be better -- not for the sake of being better (which itself should be despicable, as any sincere gratuitous self-aggrandisement should be), but to set the example. Just tell them you already gave -- to the Girl Scouts. But do be sure and tell them why.

This can be difficult, but liberating. When confronted by this season's ubiquitous storefront bellringers, I'll tell them (only if asked, mind you) that I already gave to United Way. If pressed, I'll go on to explain that United Way does not discriminate, and leave it at that. Let them research it on their own if they want.
 
2011-12-22 09:12:57 AM  

sgleason818: Jobber8742: Kudos to the Girl Scout troop for being accepting. There isn't a real reason to exclude this child other than other people's butthurt. But, this child will never be fully accepted as a girl. This kid can certainly not play on a girl's sports team, nor should she be allowed to. There are physical differences between boys and girls, and unfortunately you can't just let this child play on the girl's team. It is unfair, but to let the child play, it would be unfair to the other girls.

I am completely ignorant of this whole transgender thing. At seven, how do you tell the difference between a boy who just likes pretty things and a boy who believes he should be a girl? I don't think the Boobieser in this thread was being hateful in what he said, he just lacked tact in wondering this same thing.

How do you tell the difference? You don't. The child tells you. In fact the child keeps telling everyone she or he can, and hopefully someone listens.


Okay, they listen, let him act like a girl for a week, then he changes his mind and wants to be a boy again. That kid will be ruined for life if he stays in the same school. He shouldn't be, but kids are very very very cruel. My point is, seven year olds don't know what they want. They'll go around telling everyone they want this and that, then next week, they don't want it anymore. A decision as serious as changing your gender identity is something I would have a very hard time allowing a seven year old to make. Maybe that makes me a bad person, I don't know? I suppose I would seek advice of several professionals on the subject before I let the child make any crazy life changing decisions.
 
2011-12-22 09:13:18 AM  

Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .


Gender identity is not the same as sexual identity. You knew you were male before you hit puberty, right? Probably even earlier than 7.
 
2011-12-22 09:14:00 AM  
Sounds like the three who quit shouldn't be allowed to poison the minds of children anyway. Evangelical Christian conservatism is becoming indistinguishable from child abuse.
 
2011-12-22 09:16:18 AM  

give me doughnuts: Correction: Just girls. The BSA is already intolerant enough.


It's not quite that simple. The *national* council is the one that went to court for the right to bar gays, and won. And legally, they were correct: as a private organisation, they have that right, just like all the private country clubs that still legally exclude Blacks and Jews, so they're in fine company, to be sure. But that was only a clarification of their right to do so. Local councils make their own rules about it, and many of them don't discriminate. I was living in Rhode Island at the time, and the Narragansett Council publicly affirmed their acceptance of gay Scounts. They were the first, but by no means the only ones.
 
2011-12-22 09:16:29 AM  

lilplatinum: Carth: So if a 7 year old does say "I want to live as a girl" should the parents say no and force them to live as a boy?

If a 7 year old says "I want to eat cake for 3 meals a day" should the parents say no and force him to eat his dinner?


Both scenarios require a conversation with the child about what the consequences of their desired courses of action. Just saying yes or no isn't the answer. The child needs to know why you belive they shouldn't do what they wish. The cake question, the parents should stand firm. The gender question, if after explaining to the child that they will be questioned and unfairly ridiculed by people, that they may have to give up the chance to join gender specific organizations, that their decision will have ramification every moment of their life...if they still want to, the parents should support their child in that choice. I would push for a lets try it out at home and revisit in a few years.

/and don't let the kid listen to any Bill Cosby for a while
 
2011-12-22 09:16:29 AM  
Meh, can't we scrap Girl and Boy scouts and just have scouts?

Keeping the genders socially segregated just don't seem healthy (and I speak as someone who was segregated in an all-male school).
 
2011-12-22 09:17:37 AM  
Only 3 leaders ragequit? I'd imagine the boy scouts would implode if anyone tried something like this.
 
2011-12-22 09:17:39 AM  

lilplatinum: Carth: So if a 7 year old does say "I want to live as a girl" should the parents say no and force them to live as a boy?

If a 7 year old says "I want to eat cake for 3 meals a day" should the parents say no and force him to eat his dinner?


Yeah but in other news sometimes life is a shiat sandwich with no options that aren't bollocks. You pick. Don't imagine yourself as a kid saying that to your parents. Imagine you have a kid who just breaks the fark down crying, begging you to help them out because they hate how they are. You're sitting there, your first thought is "I thought you were upset because I said you couldn't have cake for lunch. fark. Why couldn't you just be upset about not having cake for lunch? I have no farking clue how to deal with you being disgusted with your body. I never had that problem."

I'll tell you this, saying "Man up, Nancy Drew, and put your big boy balls on. You see, you're just 7. So clearly, you're retarded." is going to end up with you being confused 10 years later when you come home and he's blown his head off with a rifle because he couldn't even rely on his own family for help in a constantly difficult aspect of life.

OR you could unnecessarily by encouraging a whim, and after a few years of having life voluntarily STILL suck, they say "You know what, this is bullshiat. I don't even want to be a girl." Except then they get to STOP. Boy, it's a good thing everyone on Fark is still tied down to whatever social roles or stupid shiat they did when they were growing up, too.
 
2011-12-22 09:18:01 AM  
I don't think you've experienced real pettiness until you've had a child in Girl Scouts. I dealt with them and the Boy Scouts and while the BSA's values regarding GLBT and Atheists is plain backwards, they at least didn't have the petty backbiting and martyrdom I saw in the Girl Scouts.
 
2011-12-22 09:20:03 AM  

RminusQ: StrangeQ: Same question I posed to platinum: was this kid one of those?

How the hell should I know? I prefer to let this family and this child deal with their own situation as they see fit. And while I do not doubt that there are a great number of things that a 7-year-old does not know, I feel like one's self is something you figure out relatively quickly.
Might she change her mind down the road? Might she regret presenting as a girl through her youth? Perhaps. It has happened before and it will happen again. But it's none of my damn business, and you'll notice that very few if any of those advocating a strict binary of genders have any evidence to support their belief that "This is just mommy wanting a daughter and insisting upon her son."


You do realize that this attention whore of a mother, has decided her little snow flake is transgender at the tender age of 7 is forcing this issue into the limelight by trying to join the GIRL scouts. The mother wanted to make a stink, pure and simple. She could have joined any number of other groups like the scouts that are gender neutral.
 
2011-12-22 09:20:17 AM  

Jobber8742: Okay, they listen, let him act like a girl for a week, then he changes his mind and wants to be a boy again. That kid will be ruined for life if he stays in the same school. He shouldn't be, but kids are very very very cruel. My point is, seven year olds don't know what they want. They'll go around telling everyone they want this and that, then next week, they don't want it anymore. A decision as serious as changing your gender identity is something I would have a very hard time allowing a seven year old to make. Maybe that makes me a bad person, I don't know? I suppose I would seek advice of several professionals on the subject before I let the child make any crazy life changing decisions.


Farking this. Thank you.

Everyone is so convinced that their little snowflake is so perfect and special that they forget something very important - kids are stupid. They don't know what the hell they're doing. That's what being a kid is. Your job as a parent is to protect them until they're old enough to make their own decisions. Your job is not to indulge their every whim. And your job is certainly not to create a publicity stunt and hold them up as a public spectacle.
 
2011-12-22 09:20:42 AM  
So, lets see if i have this right. /dnrtfa Some boy wants to join the Girl Scouts?

Um No, you have the wrong equipment.

Some people should never breed. In this case it was his parents.
 
2011-12-22 09:21:25 AM  

Billified: lilplatinum: Carth: So if a 7 year old does say "I want to live as a girl" should the parents say no and force them to live as a boy?

If a 7 year old says "I want to eat cake for 3 meals a day" should the parents say no and force him to eat his dinner?

Both scenarios require a conversation with the child about what the consequences of their desired courses of action. Just saying yes or no isn't the answer. The child needs to know why you belive they shouldn't do what they wish. The cake question, the parents should stand firm. The gender question, if after explaining to the child that they will be questioned and unfairly ridiculed by people, that they may have to give up the chance to join gender specific organizations, that their decision will have ramification every moment of their life...if they still want to, the parents should support their child in that choice. I would push for a lets try it out at home and revisit in a few years.

/and don't let the kid listen to any Bill Cosby for a while


Kids can't comprehend the outcomes of decisions. This is why we treat kids who commit crimes differently than we do adults. I kid will say, "I don't care if I get sick and fat, I want to eat cake for every meal". Then two weeks down the road, they will regret the decision. You can sit a kid down and explain to them how hard it would be to change gender association, but they most likely will not comprehend what in the world you are talking about.
 
2011-12-22 09:22:13 AM  

SevenizGud: I have a 7 year old son who thinks he is an armed and legged person in a quadruple amputee's body. And I agree with him.

Should we have his arms and legs cut off, or have him live a lie, doing untold psychological trauma, and scarring him for life?


That's called Body integrity identity disorder, and people who are affected by it can improve their mental/ emotional states by amputating the offending body part. Medical science does not approve of course, so people will self amputate.

See also (new window).
 
2011-12-22 09:22:45 AM  

Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .


Speaking of stupid, look at your post.
 
2011-12-22 09:23:29 AM  
I don't think this kid has any idea what he wants
pretty much like any 7 year old.

But parents registering their protest by yanking their kids out
IN ANOTHER FRIGGIN" STATE
is just...moronic
 
2011-12-22 09:23:40 AM  

evilmrsock: Yeah but in other news sometimes life is a shiat sandwich with no options that aren't bollocks. You pick. Don't imagine yourself as a kid saying that to your parents. Imagine you have a kid who just breaks the fark down crying, begging you to help them out because they hate how they are. You're sitting there, your first thought is "I thought you were upset because I said you couldn't have cake for lunch. fark. Why couldn't you just be upset about not having cake for lunch? I have no farking clue how to deal with you being disgusted with your body. I never had that problem."


And you fix that by pretending they are somthing else?
 
2011-12-22 09:24:23 AM  

give me doughnuts: So if parents ever come into the workplace trying to fund-raise for their kids in American Heritage Scouts (Boys and Girls), please be so kind as to spit in their eye.


You want to do that to the parents, fine, but don't hassle the kids.

I was at a local grocery with my son and a couple other Cub Scouts while they were selling popcorn for their Pack fund raiser. They asked this one dude if he wanted to buy any and he started into this whole angry spiel about how he won't give any money to Scouts because they don't support gay rights. He was getting so wound up he was actually starting to scare the boys.

I finally had to cut him off and tell him "Dude, they're nine years old. They didn't make the policy."
 
2011-12-22 09:24:39 AM  

imontheinternet: RminusQ: iNo, there are plenty of other douchebags who got here before you.

A boy who likes to play with dolls and act feminine isn't necessarily a girl. He might just be gay.


The problem that I see is people's social norms don't extend to having as wide a range of behaviors in males and females as to encompass the actual population. Being feminine on the masculine/feminine scale doesn't make a boy gay or a woman straight, any more than being masculine makes a woman gay and a man straight. Young kids don't even have a gender identity, and anyone who thinks his 4 year old is gay or transgendered because he likes to walk around in his mother's heels and play with dolls is projecting their own fears.

I really hope what happened is this boy liked to play with dolls and dress up in dresses, very common if you observe day care, and his parents decided his was a girl because of course BOYS can't play with dolls.
 
2011-12-22 09:24:40 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: I was living in Rhode Island at the time, and the Narragansett Council publicly affirmed their acceptance of gay Scounts. They were the first, but by no means the only ones.


True... They're an excellent organization. I've done some pro bono work for them and the leadership is made up of some intelligent, rational individuals, who realize the good they do in the community is more important than outdated religious dogma. All kids, regardless of whether they fit the narrow gender definitions some folks like to cling to, can benefit from groups like this.
 
2011-12-22 09:25:38 AM  
Can someone explain what is different about girls and boys besides the obvious physical attributes and the generalized stereotypical roles?

It's got to be something more than just wanting to play with dolls vs. wanting to play with....whatever it is boys play with at that age.
 
2011-12-22 09:26:02 AM  
Everyone here who believes a 7 year old has the mental capacity to decide they should be a different gender would sign off on that 7 year old having gender reassignment surgery, right? They absolutely "know" by age 7, so there should be no problem with taking away his boy parts.
 
2011-12-22 09:26:56 AM  

Gothnet: Meh, can't we scrap Girl and Boy scouts and just have scouts?

Keeping the genders socially segregated just don't seem healthy (and I speak as someone who was segregated in an all-male school).


Lots of politics behind that, dating all the way back to Juliette Lowe.

Suffice to say, it will never happen.
 
2011-12-22 09:26:58 AM  

Baryogenesis: HoneyDog: You answered your own question. It's not about liking certain toys or playing sports. It's just your preference.

But from what others have said above, my preference of activities makes me male. I get along and relate better to males. No chick flicks or romance novels for me.

But you still identify as female and that's the point. It's only a matter of what you prefer to identify as, male or female. Someone can identify as a girl and still not like stereotypically girl things as you have shown.


I don't really "get" gender identity. I understand that other people will stereotype you and expect certain behaviours, but that's just other people labelling you: what I don't understand is the intense personal identification that trans people seem to have. Obviously it's hard to imagine being something you're not, but I honestly don't think I'd care if I was the other gender ... I'd still be me.

Say it was racial identity: I could understand not wanting to be race-X, because of racism, or perhaps feeling marginalised because you don't like the standard things that race-Y likes. But that's a problem with the culture, not with you or your race. Society should be more accepting, you shouldn't feel like you're wrong. Flip it back into gender identity: I don't understand how someone can feel like they're in the wrong gender: you are who you are, society should accept that ... why is it the individual who is "wrong", not society?

But instead of telling society to go fly a kite, trans people seem to end up saying "I'm not doing it for society, I'm doing it for me" (obviously I'm generalising here). That's the bit I don't get ... how/why is it for you? Why is the shape of your pink-bits so important that you'd risk major surgery to change? I just don't think gender is that big of a deal once you strip the culturally imposed aspects away.
 
2011-12-22 09:28:58 AM  
Maybe he should start his own Transgendered Scouts!
 
2011-12-22 09:29:42 AM  

agoodz: Everyone here who believes a 7 year old has the mental capacity to decide they should be a different gender would sign off on that 7 year old having gender reassignment surgery, right? They absolutely "know" by age 7, so there should be no problem with taking away his boy parts.


You realize people don't get to just decide when you have gender reassignment surgery right? You need a professional to sign off on it, take hormones for a certain length of time and live as the other gender for at least one year. Since you can't take the medication until puberty I'm pretty sure that isn't a real problem to worry about.
 
2011-12-22 09:29:53 AM  
"7 - year old transgender" - that has to be the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Every kid at 7 says "I wonder what it would be like to be a girl/boy. . . "

Sounds more like bad parenting.
 
2011-12-22 09:30:15 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Silvara: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .

I don't think puberty is required for sexual identity. There are plenty of transgender people out there who will tell you they identified as such long before puberty. Sometimes it very specifically comes down to genes.

This is the common but mistaken conflation of gender identity and gender-defined sexual orientation. The two are popularly conflated in the public mind because the gender orientation of affectional attraction, especially sexual attraction, is so deeply ingrained in both the social reality and the popular consciousness, and so often defined in strictly adult terms, that many people find it very difficult to grasp the notion that a person's own gender identity is separate from the gender orientation of their external attractions.

The actual mechanism of gender dysphoria remains poorly understood, but the reality and force of it has been recognised and (not by everyone, to be sure) accepted for much longer than modern medicine has been around. From what I've read so far, and admittedly not that recently (I recommend Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling's works on this subject, for general readers), current theory revolves around structural and functional differences between 'male' and 'female' typified brains, now much more visible using fMRI and similar techniques. That is, we are the person who lives in our braincase, no matter what the rest of our body suggests. Because the complex biomechanics of neonatal gender differentiation can result in an essentially female brain being placed in an essentially male habitus, or vice versa, it's probably much more common than suspected. Our bodies being much ...


Thanks for reminding me as to why I have your name favourit'd!! :-)
 
2011-12-22 09:32:01 AM  

PunGent: duffblue: I had hope for fark before I realized it's just another hugbox for people who think transformers are something other than mentally ill.

You seem to be unfamiliar with prenatal brain development...I recommend suing whoever taught you high school biology.

Or sue your Intelligent Designer...he's probably got deeper pockets.


Funny thing, though, every time I turn around, someone god is begging for money. Of course, I'm never sure which specific avatar of the divine it is. Who was it who said, "the God I know isn't short on cash"?
 
2011-12-22 09:32:48 AM  

Carth: agoodz: Everyone here who believes a 7 year old has the mental capacity to decide they should be a different gender would sign off on that 7 year old having gender reassignment surgery, right? They absolutely "know" by age 7, so there should be no problem with taking away his boy parts.

You realize people don't get to just decide when you have gender reassignment surgery right? You need a professional to sign off on it, take hormones for a certain length of time and live as the other gender for at least one year. Since you can't take the medication until puberty I'm pretty sure that isn't a real problem to worry about.


You know you have made his argument, right?
 
2011-12-22 09:34:39 AM  
Isn't this what the Quasi Pan-sexual Genderless Scouts are for? Somewhere between this kids parents and the other kids' parents lies the truth. What a farking hassle for everybody involved.

/snowflakes
 
2011-12-22 09:34:40 AM  
It is the Girl Scouts, not to be confused with the Boy Scouts, Transgender Scouts or Hermaphrodite Scouts.

Sometimes clubs want to be exclusive, and that's OK. If you have a problem with that, make up your own damn club and have at it. Women that insist on be allowed to join men's clubs, men that insist on being allowed to be Hooter's waitresses, or men that protest Ladies Nights, it's all ridiculous. Men and women, boys and girls are different, and it is OK if they want some personal time apart from people with different parts.

Sure it sucks to be the kid not welcome in such famously intolerant groups such as the GSA & BSA. I question why anyone would want to join either group, particularly someone with identity issues. It's not fair to the uptights, who have a right to be uptight, just as we have a right to roundly mock them for it.

The real headscratcher is how people a 1000 miles away got all butthurt by someone else's decision to NOT be so uptight.
 
2011-12-22 09:35:26 AM  

Carth: agoodz: Everyone here who believes a 7 year old has the mental capacity to decide they should be a different gender would sign off on that 7 year old having gender reassignment surgery, right? They absolutely "know" by age 7, so there should be no problem with taking away his boy parts.

You realize people don't get to just decide when you have gender reassignment surgery right? You need a professional to sign off on it, take hormones for a certain length of time and live as the other gender for at least one year. Since you can't take the medication until puberty I'm pretty sure that isn't a real problem to worry about.


So age 8 then? Where do you draw the line?
 
2011-12-22 09:36:15 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: A Colorado-based Girl Scouts troop's decision to admit a 7-year-old transgender child this fall has prompted three leaders to resign and dissolve their troops.

As The Christian Post is reporting, all three of the troop leaders were affiliated with the Northlake Christian School in Covington, Louisiana.

Soooo, a Colorado troup admits the kid, and that makes a bunch of stick-up-their-ass Louisiana Christians think it's their farking business and take the entire experience of scouting away from the girls in their troup. Got it.


This just in: Christians are a bunch of demented f*ckwit busybodies who tend to cut off their noses to spite other people's faces. Ric Romero reports.


You do see the irony in your post, right?
 
2011-12-22 09:36:28 AM  
I didn't read the whole damn thread, but I didn't have to, to pick up the trans-hate. Just sticking my cissexual head in here to cast a vote for the "not a raging bigot" camp.

Also:

Happy Hours: Can someone explain what is different about girls and boys besides the obvious physical attributes and the generalized stereotypical roles?

It's got to be something more than just wanting to play with dolls vs. wanting to play with....whatever it is boys play with at that age.


Male and female brains differ significantly in terms of size, density, thickness of the corpus callosum (the bit linking your hemispheres), and the distribution of work in response to a given problem. Men's brains are bigger but lower-density with a thinner corpus callosum and a more centralized approach to problem-solving, whereas women have smaller, denser brains that probably need a thicker corpus callosum to accommodate the fact we scatter problem-solving across pretty much every part of the cortex.

It's not inconceivable, given that we all carry the genetic instructions for both masculine and feminine development--otherwise every zygote would get 1/2 of the instructions on how to be a boy from Dad and 1/2 of the instructions on how to be a girl from Mom--that there could be some kind of screw-up in prenatal development that would cause the wrong set of genes to be expressed and the wrong gender of brain to develop.

Also, I happen to believe that there are precisely two people who have a right to care about any particular person's gender identity: the person in question and their mate, and a child is too young for the latter. If this kid wants to identify as a girl despite the bullying that will arise (does anyone think the kids will behave better than certain Farkers?), then I say more power to her.
 
2011-12-22 09:36:50 AM  

meatsack_01: Maybe he should start his own Transgendered Scouts!


... with blackjack and hookers!
 
2011-12-22 09:37:16 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Someone wanted a girl and ended up with a boy. Maybe she had a still born daughter before having him and still farked up from it.
/It would be funny if the boy turn out straight and end hating his mother for this bullshiat.
//That kid don't have the ghey voice. My cousins had theirs around 5 and are ghey to this day.


One day the village's dumbest crack whore slept with the village's craziest hobo and drjekel_mrhyde was the result.

Look I can pull stories out of my ass with no basis in fact that conveniently reinforce my preconceptions too.
 
2011-12-22 09:37:27 AM  

markfara: I'm not against living-and-letting-live. I've known a couple of transfolk ("transformer" is considered derogatory these days.) and had no particular problem with them. People are who they are. The people in question pay taxes, vote, etc. and are entitled to conduct their lives without being f*cked with.


Unless, of course, they happen to be into that.

Everybody has the right to self-identify up to the very edge of where their self-identification tangibly interacts with the rights of another.

That said, I DO think that at some point everyday reality has to kick in. If I employ someone who thinks he's really a cat, am I morally obliged to provide him with a litter box?

Is a litter box necessary for the execution of his job? Then yes (unless you want an inefficient company). Does it improve his job performance? Then it's more a self-interest thing, but yeah, you should provide it. Litterboxes are far, far cheaper than those status toys ("executive" chairs, desks with custom finish) that managers/presidents keep around to remind everybody else of their place.

Otherwise, he can provide his own. Either way, he's scooping.
 
2011-12-22 09:37:46 AM  

I Hope Your Plane Crashes Twice: Holy farking shiat....is this whole thread really about what defines a male and a female? For all of you that are saying " ooh...it's a mental state that defines gender...ooh". No it doesn't. Guys have a big fat hairy dick hanging between their legs, girls don't (That's the actual Webster's definition btw).

This state of appeasement that we are trying to build is just ridiculous. He is physically a boy....he should go to BOY scouts. Maybe this kid's mom should shy away from clubs that are based on gender if his isn't so easily defined. If he's gay then he should still go to boy scouts and yes, they should be tolerant. The girl scouts wrote their rule book long before kids wanted to cut their dicks off before middle school.

I feel for him/her/whatever because he has made a decision that is going to make EVERY choice difficult for the rest of his life. And yeah, before you can say anything emo kids....being transgender at age 7 is 100% a choice. Being gay is not be a choice, but going for gusto sure the fark is. Just because your mind is confused and you don't know how to deal with it AT AGE FARKING 7, doesn't mean you have to jump off the proverbial deep end just to be "true to yourself" in the SECOND GRADE. This thread makes me hate society. And you, if you're reading this....I hate you too. lol


Everyone, here's the problem, right here: A huge proportion of your fellow citizens honestly believe that everything that can ever be known or understood was already imbued to them by the time they reached the Internet, there is nothing more to learn, knowledge and fact are the same thing and immutable, and whatever they believe is simply The Way Things Are, period. This, as the saying goes, is why we can't have nice things.
 
2011-12-22 09:38:41 AM  

osafer: Carth: agoodz: Everyone here who believes a 7 year old has the mental capacity to decide they should be a different gender would sign off on that 7 year old having gender reassignment surgery, right? They absolutely "know" by age 7, so there should be no problem with taking away his boy parts.

You realize people don't get to just decide when you have gender reassignment surgery right? You need a professional to sign off on it, take hormones for a certain length of time and live as the other gender for at least one year. Since you can't take the medication until puberty I'm pretty sure that isn't a real problem to worry about.

You know you have made his argument, right?


Oh I miss understood. I didn't realize he was arguing that children and adults should be treated the same way when it comes to gender identity disorders.
 
2011-12-22 09:39:53 AM  
i1080.photobucket.com

Pretty much this. Stop calling this boy a girl. Transgender boy. Girlie boy. Lady boy. But damn it, he has a penis!!!
 
2011-12-22 09:40:54 AM  
Okey so mom is crying tolerance... What about tolerance for the ones that oppose this?

So tolerance is a one way street now....
 
2011-12-22 09:41:09 AM  

Helen_Arigby: I didn't read the whole damn thread, but I didn't have to, to pick up the trans-hate. Just sticking my cissexual head in here to cast a vote for the "not a raging bigot" camp.

Also:

Happy Hours: Can someone explain what is different about girls and boys besides the obvious physical attributes and the generalized stereotypical roles?

It's got to be something more than just wanting to play with dolls vs. wanting to play with....whatever it is boys play with at that age.

Male and female brains differ significantly in terms of size, density, thickness of the corpus callosum (the bit linking your hemispheres), and the distribution of work in response to a given problem. Men's brains are bigger but lower-density with a thinner corpus callosum and a more centralized approach to problem-solving, whereas women have smaller, denser brains that probably need a thicker corpus callosum to accommodate the fact we scatter problem-solving across pretty much every part of the cortex.

It's not inconceivable, given that we all carry the genetic instructions for both masculine and feminine development--otherwise every zygote would get 1/2 of the instructions on how to be a boy from Dad and 1/2 of the instructions on how to be a girl from Mom--that there could be some kind of screw-up in prenatal development that would cause the wrong set of genes to be expressed and the wrong gender of brain to develop.

Also, I happen to believe that there are precisely two people who have a right to care about any particular person's gender identity: the person in question and their mate, and a child is too young for the latter. If this kid wants to identify as a girl despite the bullying that will arise (does anyone think the kids will behave better than certain Farkers?), then I say more power to her.


How about he felt he was black and wanted to wear black face to make himself feel right. Would that be okay?
 
2011-12-22 09:42:44 AM  

osafer:
How about he felt he was black and wanted to wear black face to make himself feel right. Would that be okay?


So reverse michael jackson?
 
2011-12-22 09:43:03 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Silvara: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .

I don't think puberty is required for sexual identity. There are plenty of transgender people out there who will tell you they identified as such long before puberty. Sometimes it very specifically comes down to genes.

This is the common but mistaken conflation of gender identity and gender-defined sexual orientation. The two are popularly conflated in the public mind because the gender orientation of affectional attraction, especially sexual attraction, is so deeply ingrained in both the social reality and the popular consciousness, and so often defined in strictly adult terms, that many people find it very difficult to grasp the notion that a person's own gender identity is separate from the gender orientation of their external attractions.

The actual mechanism of gender dysphoria remains poorly understood, but the reality and force of it has been recognised and (not by everyone, to be sure) accepted for much longer than modern medicine has been around. From what I've read so far, and admittedly not that recently (I recommend Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling's works on this subject, for general readers), current theory revolves around structural and functional differences between 'male' and 'female' typified brains, now much more visible using fMRI and similar techniques. That is, we are the person who lives in our braincase, no matter what the rest of our body suggests. Because the complex biomechanics of neonatal gender differentiation can result in an essentially female brain being placed in an essentially male habitus, or vice versa, it's probably much more common than suspected. Our bodies being much ...


For me, the layman understanding about that came from reading about ambiguous genitalia in a women's studies class in college. When you realize just how detached the formation of genitals is from genetics and brain development, it's easy to see how brain development can be detached from genetics and genitals.
 
2011-12-22 09:43:20 AM  

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: Okey so mom is crying tolerance... What about tolerance for the ones that oppose this?

So tolerance is a one way street now....


The Troop in question has no problem with it... Read the farking article.

Please explain how the Colorado Girls Scouts is being intolerant of the bigoted views of some christians in Louisiana by allowing this kid into their organization?
 
2011-12-22 09:43:38 AM  

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: Okey so mom is crying tolerance... What about tolerance for the ones that oppose this?


[dry] Oh, don't worry, you can still be every bit as much an ignorant bigot as you want to be. We don't discriminate. [/dry]
 
2011-12-22 09:45:25 AM  

evilmrsock: I'll tell you this, saying "Man up, Nancy Drew, and put your big boy balls on. You see, you're just 7. So clearly, you're retarded." is going to end up with you being confused 10 years later when you come home and he's blown his head off with a rifle because he couldn't even rely on his own family for help in a constantly difficult aspect of life.


Sweet, then they can take that money they had saved up for college and spend it on a vacation!
 
2011-12-22 09:45:59 AM  
It's a farking boy. Hell no it can't join my daughter's girl scout troop, and you more "tolerant" farknuggets wouldn't allow it either when it really happened.
 
2011-12-22 09:48:44 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Everyone, here's the problem, right here: A huge proportion of your fellow citizens honestly believe that everything that can ever be known or understood was already imbued to them by the time they reached the Internet, there is nothing more to learn, knowledge and fact are the same thing and immutable, and whatever they believe is simply The Way Things Are, period. This, as the saying goes, is why we can't have nice things.


thevoiceforschoolchoice.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-12-22 09:49:21 AM  

Descartes: It's a farking boy. Hell no it can't join my daughter's girl scout troop, and you more "tolerant" farknuggets wouldn't allow it either when it really happened.


Well, except for the fact that Girl Scout Troop in question did, indeed, allow it...
 
2011-12-22 09:50:38 AM  

Carth: osafer: Carth: agoodz: Everyone here who believes a 7 year old has the mental capacity to decide they should be a different gender would sign off on that 7 year old having gender reassignment surgery, right? They absolutely "know" by age 7, so there should be no problem with taking away his boy parts.

You realize people don't get to just decide when you have gender reassignment surgery right? You need a professional to sign off on it, take hormones for a certain length of time and live as the other gender for at least one year. Since you can't take the medication until puberty I'm pretty sure that isn't a real problem to worry about.

You know you have made his argument, right?

Oh I miss understood. I didn't realize he was arguing that children and adults should be treated the same way when it comes to gender identity disorders.


I read his point as this: that a farking 7 year old has no idea if they are transgender or not.
I read your point as: Even adults don't really know if they are transgender or not, until there is a boat load of tests and other professional involvement.
My point is :The mother is a farking loon who is forcing this poor boy to be something he or may not be. This is child abuse, pure and simple.
 
2011-12-22 09:52:24 AM  
FSM do I hope some of you miserable people DIAF, slowly and painfully, today. NO ONE CHOOSES WHERE ONE ENDS UP ON THE GENDER SPECTRUM.

/YOU PEOPLE RDJ.JPG HAW HAR HURR
//*wondering how to rid the planet of some of you intolerant dumbfarks*
 
2011-12-22 09:54:26 AM  
I just want to make sure I've got this straight.

So if a 7 year old boy wants to join the Girl Scouts, it's okay as long as he says he's a girl?
 
2011-12-22 09:54:27 AM  

Descartes: It's a farking boy. Hell no it can't join my daughter's girl scout troop, and you more "tolerant" farknuggets wouldn't allow it either when it really happened.


Umm..yeah I would. I have 2 daughters, and I've taught them tolerance.
 
2011-12-22 09:56:48 AM  

osafer: My point is :The mother is a farking loon who is forcing this poor boy to be something he or may not be. This is child abuse, pure and simple.


Exactly. On top of that, she's playing the victim card to get into the news and holding up a 7 year old as a public symbol of transgendered rights, when it may very well just be a childhood phase. She's making herself famous by turning her kid into a spectacle.

The mother has done much more harm to this kid than some rednecks in Louisiana ever could.
 
2011-12-22 09:56:57 AM  

gameshowhost: FSM do I hope some of you miserable people DIAF, slowly and painfully, today. NO ONE CHOOSES WHERE ONE ENDS UP ON THE GENDER SPECTRUM.

/YOU PEOPLE RDJ.JPG HAW HAR HURR
//*wondering how to rid the planet of some of you intolerant dumbfarks*


You realize no one is picking on the kid, right? People are screaming about his farking mother who is making a 7 year live as a transgender. I am not saying the kid can't be effeminate or even gay, but to say he is transgender at this age is crazy .

Your own tolerance level may need re-calibrated, just saying...
 
2011-12-22 09:59:15 AM  
250 comments, and no pedobear?

Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2011-12-22 09:59:32 AM  

osafer: People are screaming about his farking mother who is making a 7 year live as a transgender.


You have absolutely no proof that that is the case...
 
2011-12-22 10:00:54 AM  
Gender: a social construction that encompasses biological, behavioral, and mental characteristics.
Sex: a biological definition based on chromosomes.

If you want to make scouts about sex, you'll have to ban individuals with turner syndrome and other chromosomal anomalies from participation in the boy/girl scouts. If you are willing to accept that being in either organization is a matter of gender, you have to allow the lines to be less rigid.

If your worldview really doesn't allow for a person to be confused about gender, you need to educate yourself and learn more about the world. You're hobbling yourself for a modern existence, and you'll be left behind like the people who kept using floppy disks or the people who still use the N-word. Grow up, expand your mind, and you can participate in the world with the rest of us.
 
2011-12-22 10:01:21 AM  

Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?


images.cheezburger.com
 
2011-12-22 10:02:07 AM  
Came for a "William's got a Doll" reference...

[Glances around thread]

Yeah, I think I'll just back out of here slowly.....
 
2011-12-22 10:02:35 AM  

Silvara: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .

I don't think puberty is required for sexual identity. There are plenty of transgender people out there who will tell you they identified as such long before puberty. Sometimes it very specifically comes down to genes.


Not unless they have the test to show they kids is xxy or something similar. Otherwise it is a crack-pot parent farking with the kids mental well being.
 
2011-12-22 10:03:03 AM  

Bluemookie: [i1080.photobucket.com image 480x360]

Pretty much this. Stop calling this boy a girl. Transgender boy. Girlie boy. Lady boy. But damn it, he has a penis!!!


*shakes angry fist*

/like i read threads anymore
//meh
 
2011-12-22 10:10:17 AM  

keylock71: osafer: People are screaming about his farking mother who is making a 7 year live as a transgender.

You have absolutely no proof that that is the case...


Yeah you are right, I don't have proof. But you are being disingenuous if you don't see that a 7 year old has no means to live as a transgender without his mother's involvement. Like i said the kid may be effeminate at this age, but to force a gender role on him at this age is crazy.
 
2011-12-22 10:13:00 AM  
This couild certainly complicate the response to the question "Are those cookies made with real Girl Scouts?".