What kind of heathen bastard mayor turns off the nativity scene at night?

Looks like Mobile Mayor Sam Jones is going to be moving into a gated community pretty soon.

Fark Me To Tears: Really? So, the whole needing to hold-him-at-gunpoint thing was just... for kicks?

Probably just poor word choice. There's a difference between feeling your life is in danger, and being cautious around a deluded stranger in your garage, after all.

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: Drummond said Wilkerson was compliant the entire time and at no time did Jones feel threatened.

Really? So, the whole needing to hold-him-at-gunpoint thing was just... for kicks?

If you feel threatened, you do not hold someone at gunpoint, you shoot them. Also, the guy was probably not acting threatening because there was a gun being pointed at him. There is nothing inconsistent in the mayors actions and statement.

Preposterous. This is all just more evidence that the War on Christmas is raging. This God-fearing gentleman saw that Mr. Jones had turned off his nativity scene, just like how atheists, Kenyans, and communists want to get rid of it in all forms of government, and he plugged it back in for the Lord. The fact Jones held him on gunpoint only further proves how much the War on Christmas has advanced. Why do you hate Baby Jesus?

If the guy were sane, he could probably make a case for unlawful detainment against the mayor. You cannot simply hold someone at gunpoint and not allow them to leave. Since the mayor stated that he did not feel threatened, his threat of deadly force should constitute assault with a deadly weapon.

But he's the mayor, so he's allowed to break the law and violate everyone else's rights.

Sure, a guy in 2011 says God speaks to him and he's crazy.
A guy in 2000 BC says God speaks to him and people make a religion out of his words.

All praise the sacred Christmas lights.

I thought websites were bad. Apparently mayors are available in crappy Mobile versions too.

SlashiesFollowedByRimshot

Tsu-na-mi: If the guy were sane, he could probably make a case for unlawful detainment against the mayor. You cannot simply hold someone at gunpoint and not allow them to leave. Since the mayor stated that he did not feel threatened, his threat of deadly force should constitute assault with a deadly weapon.

But he's the mayor, so he's allowed to break the law and violate everyone else's rights.

Unlawful detainment? The guy broke into his house so he kept him at gunpoint until police arrived. Big farking deal and not illegal in MN so I'm guessing it's not illegal there. In my carry permit class we were told to do exactly what the mayor did if we should ever find ourselves in that position. They even went so far as to tell us you could toss him handcuffs and tell him to put them on while waiting for police. Remember the Mayor was on his own property that this nut broke into.

MoeSzyslak: Tsu-na-mi: If the guy were sane, he could probably make a case for unlawful detainment against the mayor. You cannot simply hold someone at gunpoint and not allow them to leave. Since the mayor stated that he did not feel threatened, his threat of deadly force should constitute assault with a deadly weapon.

But he's the mayor, so he's allowed to break the law and violate everyone else's rights.

Unlawful detainment? The guy broke into his house so he kept him at gunpoint until police arrived. Big farking deal and not illegal in MN so I'm guessing it's not illegal there. In my carry permit class we were told to do exactly what the mayor did if we should ever find ourselves in that position. They even went so far as to tell us you could toss him handcuffs and tell him to put them on while waiting for police. Remember the Mayor was on his own property that this nut broke into.

I hate to respond to myself but I also wanted to point out that you don't have to feel threatened to pull a gun on a burglar. You have to feel threatened to shoot them. There is a world of difference between the two. Police don't just draw their weapons when threatened, they drawn them when they have reason to believe a threat might arise.

The Southern Dandy: Sure, a guy in 2011 says God speaks to him and he's crazy.
A guy in 2000 BC says God speaks to him and people make a religion out of his words.


The difference is the words, read what the guy back then said, then criticize it....if you can.

MycroftHolmes: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: Drummond said Wilkerson was compliant the entire time and at no time did Jones feel threatened.

Really? So, the whole needing to hold-him-at-gunpoint thing was just... for kicks?

If you feel threatened, you do not hold someone at gunpoint, you shoot them. Also, the guy was probably not acting threatening because there was a gun being pointed at him. There is nothing inconsistent in the mayors actions and statement.

Not in Alabama.
In other parts of the nation, common sense has taken a flying leap out the window every time someone mentions a gun is involved with stopping a crime. Saying that you felt threatened is part of the code for keeping the justice system from steam rolling you for an act of self defense.

Factually you tend not to feel threatened when you have the upper hand in a confrontation where the burglar comes along quietly. But if this was just an ordinary citizen (or worse, if they'd been forced to use the gun in self defense) they would probably land themselves a charge of brandishing and a few others.

jmr61: ZAZ: third-degree burglary

The common law definition of burglary is breaking and entering with intent to commit a crime. I'm not sure he did that. Alabama may have a more liberal definition.



I assure you there's nothing liberal in Alabama.

Not even Lynyrd Skynyrd?

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: Drummond said Wilkerson was compliant the entire time and at no time did Jones feel threatened.

Really? So, the whole needing to hold-him-at-gunpoint thing was just... for kicks?

No, he didn't feel threatened BECAUSE he had him a gunpoint.

If I had a burglar lined up between the blade and notch, I wouldn't feel particularly threatened either. The burglar, on the other hand, should have been pissing his pants.

Tsu-na-mi: If the guy were sane, he could probably make a case for unlawful detainment against the mayor. You cannot simply hold someone at gunpoint and not allow them to leave. Since the mayor stated that he did not feel threatened, his threat of deadly force should constitute assault with a deadly weapon.

But he's the mayor, so he's allowed to break the law and violate everyone else's rights.

Alabama is a castle doctrine state, the mayor caught him committing a felony. If the guy made a move towards him or took any other action that could be remotely interpreted as aggressive, the mayor could have killed him and the police and DA's response would have been nice shot. He was completely within his rights to detain him at gunpoint.

Now for the big question - it took the cops seven minutes?

The mayor of the third largest city in the state calls and says "I've got a burglar at gunpoint" and that's the best you can do? I'm surprised the CHIEF wasn't there in seven minutes.

/Yes, I know seven minutes is actually a good response.
//Once again, the facts demonstrate that when seconds count the police are minutes away - even if you're the mayor.

ZAZ: third-degree burglary

The common law definition of burglary is breaking and entering with intent to commit a crime. I'm not sure he did that. Alabama may have a more liberal definition.

A crime? You mean like breaking into a truck and using the now stolen garage door opener to gain illegal access to the garage?

It is burglary all the way.

JustGetItRight: Now for the big question - it took the cops seven minutes?

That's because the mayor is black.

JustGetItRight: Yes, I know seven minutes is actually a good response.

Depends on how you feel about having a burglar in your face.

/Good thing the Mayor was armed and the suspect was civilized.
/Because seven minutes can be a very long time.

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/members/members.shtml

This mayor would also like to take your guns away, but leave his alone.

way south: JustGetItRight: Yes, I know seven minutes is actually a good response.

Depends on how you feel about having a burglar in your face.

/Good thing the Mayor was armed and the suspect was civilized.
/Because seven minutes can be a very long time.

Agree completely.

Seven minutes in city traffic is a very fast response. Seven minutes if you're confronting a burglar is forever, hence my second slashy.

VW_Factor: http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/members/members.shtml

This mayor would also like to take your guns away, but leave his alone.

Key word in that URL is illegal. I'm going to guess that his was legal.

JustGetItRight: way south: JustGetItRight: Yes, I know seven minutes is actually a good response.

Depends on how you feel about having a burglar in your face.

/Good thing the Mayor was armed and the suspect was civilized.
/Because seven minutes can be a very long time.

Agree completely.

Seven minutes in city traffic is a very fast response. Seven minutes if you're confronting a burglar is forever, hence my second slashy.

Seven minutes is scary, it's two in my town.

change1211: Seven minutes is scary, it's two in my town.

Count yourself very lucky...

Key word in that URL is illegal. I'm going to guess that his was legal.

If you think the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns wants to leave "legal guns" alone (what the hell is an illegal gun anyway?) you are in for a surprise. They want to disarm everyone to make sure that people that shouldn't have them, don't have access to guns.

Would be nice yanno, if those pesky criminals followed laws and such.

At any rate.. Good luck with that line of thinking.

Word on the street is that the mayor who is democrat liberal member of Bloombergs mayors against guns thingy, did NOT have a CC permit, uh-oh!