Right, because when I want insightful, meaningful political commentary, I look to an actor.

You're entitled to your opinion, and you're entitled to express that opinion, but I can't think of a single person who honestly wonders what the star of Good Will Hunting thinks about Obama's presidency thus far.......except you, of course.

Kurmudgeon: Babwa Wawa: Obama has indeed farked his core. Farked them good and hard.

No, his core farked him in the 2010 elections when they put Boehner and the rest of the Republitards in charge of the House. Oh, and fark YOU.

Sure, because those Bluedogs made such a difference, right? I mean, we were getting such liberal policies out of the Obama admin for those first two years, weren't we?

If Obama had cared about keeping his legislative majority after 2008, he could have accomplished that with a simple measure; supporting the generally liberal candidates that the left had put forward in the primaries. But he didn't do that; instead he spent 2007-2008 openly mocking the left while going all-in for the "centrist" corporate shills tainted by records of opposing liberal social policies and supporting corporate looting of the economy. I realize you might find this difficult to grasp, but when you alienate your voter base, then insult it for being alienated, then whine about it actually expecting something from you, then put your support behind candidates they don't like, your voter base tends to stay home. You might find it counter-intuitive, but voters vote for themselves, not for the sake of The Party.

Funny how the republicans sail the taxe breaks through for their wealthy buddies, but when it comes to the rest of us, they have to get their oil pipe line attached, and its has to be this or that, etc......If people don't get it now, what this d-bags party is really about.... then we deserve to become a 3rd world country (cheap labour force for the job creators)

I I were Obama I think I would have been arrested by now. I would have slugged these, stone walling, two faced pricks in the mouth more than a few times already

I can give Obama slack on the bidget, healthcare (although we came up witht he worst of both worlds), shutting down Gitmo, etc casue he needs to work with congress.

I can't give him a pass on going after weed in CA, I can't give him a pass on operation fast and furious, I can't give him a pass on inviting lobbyists into his cabinet,



/still not going to vote for a rep

Heron: Bullshiat. Huge majorities support such things as single payer health care, restoring Glass-Steagalls, trying terrorism suspects as common criminals in civilian courts, enforcing fraud laws against Wall Street, restricting the government's power to spy on its own citizens, allowing gay marriage, and ending our wars overseas. These are precisely the policies that most Americans want, and they are precisely what a "hard-left" campaign platform would look like. The reason "hard-left" governments don't get elected in the US is because neither party offers such a thing to the voters, and because our electoral system is structured to make third-party success almost impossible; not because of this counter-factual notion that the US is a "center-right country

Not "hard-left" at all.

The first problem with someone that wants to be president is the character traits that would make someone want to be president.

Coco LaFemme: but I can't think of a single person who honestly wonders what the star of Good Will Hunting thinks about Obama's presidency thus far.......except you, of course.

It isn't like there is an entire industry that is devoted to talking about what movie stars think and do. Damon was right the dozen or so people I know who donated and campaigned for Obama in 2008 will be staying home and keeping their wallets closed in 2012

Atomic Spunk: Let's ask Paul Krugman his opinions on the latest fashions. Or maybe Tom Brady could give us some book recommendations.

You're absolutely right. No American has any right to be involved in politics or have an opinion unless they are a professional politician. Makes perfect sense. Maybe only professional politicians should be allowed to vote?

/It's ok, my cousin is 'tarded. He's a pilot.

jcooli09: YodaBlues: CanisNoir: Cyno01: The republicans could have the black vote if they wanted it. Just start reminding everybody that Lincoln, who freed the slaves, was a republican. They dont want it because i guess the racist hick demographic is much larger.

Actually Lincoln was a Republican before the parties kind of switched, he'd be technically a Democrat now... Honestly, the Black Vote *should* go to the Republicans because they tend to agree with the majority of policy stances that reflect that demographic. The problem is, they are unable to get over the specter of the "Southern Strategy" where they courted the Southern Democrats and used Civil Rights and Segregation as a wedge issue to do it. Many people forget that JFK did the same thing prior to becoming president and while in the end he finally did see it as a moral cause, at the beginning of his political career, he alienated many black leaders due to his stances. Political parties change, and the GOP's problem is they don't know how to reach out to the black demographic, but more and more black republicans are starting to come to the fore to help that along. There's been a push for Condi as a Veep Pick, and while I think she's too smart a lady to ever do it, it would certainly help them out a lot in that area.

*BLINK*
That's actually a pretty fair and accurate statement....How is it you are able to go from making perfectly reasonable and cogent arguments in one thread, to literally shiatting out of your mouth in a different thread? Aren't you worried about pulling a muscle or something?

Other than this, I agree.

Well, he has a valid point though. Most survey's reveal that African-Americans traditionally agree with Republican ideals moreso than Democratic ones. Statistically speaking, they generally disprove of same-sex marriage, are anti-abortion, and extremely religious. So it's a valid point, at the very least, it's a well-reasoned point that could be argued civilly between two educated adults, which is why I'm shocked to see it come from the thread shiatter.

Babwa Wawa: Kurmudgeon: No, his core farked him in the 2010 elections when they put Boehner and the rest of the Republitards in charge of the House. Oh, and fark YOU.

So the reason he not only broke nearly all the principles on which he was elected, but didn't even bother to fight for them is that the other guys would be worse?

I don't think that's the case. The Congress and White House just passed an indefinite detention bill with barely a debate. That couldn't happen without a cooperative Democratic party. And right now we have a Democratic party shared shiatless of looking like Democrats, so they're selling us short on everything but farking taxes and it makes me sick to my stomach.

Don't forget SOPA too. The only reason that didn't get passed was the tax cut distraction didn't work as well as they hoped.

Babwa Wawa: Kurmudgeon: No, his core farked him in the 2010 elections when they put Boehner and the rest of the Republitards in charge of the House. Oh, and fark YOU.

So the reason he not only broke nearly all the principles on which he was elected, but didn't even bother to fight for them is that the other guys would be worse?

I don't think that's the case. The Congress and White House just passed an indefinite detention bill with barely a debate. That couldn't happen without a cooperative Democratic party. And right now we have a Democratic party shared shiatless of looking like Democrats, so they're selling us short on everything but farking taxes and it makes me sick to my stomach.



Remember what nation you live in. Obama's approval is actually up. Civil libertarians are even rarer than run-of-the-mill liberals. If Obama had ran as one, he never would have been elected. This issue is just one of many, and his record has been mixed. There's no point in overselling it. Democrats look like the center right party they've been for quite some time.

gimmegimme: YodaBlues: DarnoKonrad: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: DarnoKonrad: He could have walked into any court in the country and made his case against the Government wanting him dead

I'm not talking about any one person. This is a secret government program that we just happened to find out in one case, Alwalaki. His 16 year old son was killed, and no one knew he was being targeted, and he never had charged filed against him in court.

Not true. He was wanted by Yemen authorities for his ties to terrorism. That was the jurisdiction he was living under. He did not give himself up. There are any number of legal protections this guy could have invoked, including returning to U.S. jurisdiction, and he hid from them all -- if law enforcement wants to talk to you, DO NOT run away or lock yourself up. It doesn't matter if you're formally charged with a crime or not.

I despise this idea that merely being born within the United States some how entitles you to run around the world hiding from the law and issuing death threats to people you don't like. It's farking insane.


The U.S. Constitution can protect you, but not if you hide from it.

Seriously, if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?

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You're a great American who truly understands the concept of freedom.

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I was using sarcasm as a means to point out the hypocrisy of an individual who was arguing for cooperating with authorities, regardless of actual guilt.

DarnoKonrad: YodaBlues:

Seriously, if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?



Well no, you don't. That phrase should be reserved for clear abuse of your rights. The cops wanting to ask you some question isn't some crazy abuse of power. I can tell you right now, if the FBI wants to talk to me about terrorism, I'm getting a lawyer and going straight to the nearest federal courthouse. Or I could book a ticket to Yemen.

I've got a pretty good idea which will allow me to exercise my constitutional rights.

And running from the police is not an admission of guilt. Doesn't give the government the right to terminate your existence. Stop looking at political parties and really think about what this did: The government now has the right to end your life with no trial, no due process, no real transparency. Yeah, maybe now it'll be reserved for terrorists. But how about when some Evangelical nutbag gets in the Whitehouse and declares all un-wed mothers enemies of the state? It'll happen, this country's farking dumb enough to do it. shiat, it gave us 2 terms of Bush, you think President Fred Phelps doesn't sound enticing to these religious assholes?!

Obama, dis-MISSED!

/See ya, and I wouldn't want to be ya.

YodaBlues: I was using sarcasm as a means to point out the hypocrisy of an individual who was arguing for cooperating with authorities, regardless of actual guilt.

What hypocrisy? You can't hide from the law and simultaneously expect to be protected by it. That's hypocrisy.

YodaBlues: DarnoKonrad: YodaBlues:

Seriously, if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?



Well no, you don't. That phrase should be reserved for clear abuse of your rights. The cops wanting to ask you some question isn't some crazy abuse of power. I can tell you right now, if the FBI wants to talk to me about terrorism, I'm getting a lawyer and going straight to the nearest federal courthouse. Or I could book a ticket to Yemen.

I've got a pretty good idea which will allow me to exercise my constitutional rights.

And running from the police is not an admission of guilt. Doesn't give the government the right to terminate your existence. Stop looking at political parties and really think about what this did: The government now has the right to end your life with no trial, no due process, no real transparency. Yeah, maybe now it'll be reserved for terrorists. But how about when some Evangelical nutbag gets in the Whitehouse and declares all un-wed mothers enemies of the state? It'll happen, this country's farking dumb enough to do it. shiat, it gave us 2 terms of Bush, you think President Fred Phelps doesn't sound enticing to these religious assholes?!



Simply and unequivocally false. The guy was afforded due process, and he ignored it. Again You can't hide from the law and simultaneously expect to be protected by it.

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: He said: "I've talked to a lot of people who worked for Obama at the grassroots level. One of them said to me, 'Never again. I will never be fooled again by a politician,'".

"You know, a one-term president with some balls who actually got stuff done would have been, in the long run of the country, much better."

I'm sorry, Matt. Perhaps you could do a better job? Surely you wouldn't run into any of the partisan political stonewalling nonsense that President Obama has been having to put up with for the past three years, because you're such a great world-class leader in your own right?

Dude... seriously... you need to be careful about believing in your own hype. Washington politics are way out of your league.

Yeah, because it's the GOP who is stalling the closing of the GITMO holding facility. Yupper, nothing he can do about it. His hands are tied. Commander-in-chief just has no say at all in it.

Am I the only one who thinks Obama will act like a one term president.. in his final term?

DarnoKonrad:


You can't hide from the law and simultaneously expect to be protected by it.

Humans might be the only animal that can hold two contradictory ideas in their mind at the same time and adamantly believe both of them.

amazing thing, context. The Adjustment Bureau swipe was said at the White House correspondents dinner, and not in response to Damon's latest comment, which was also out of context. geez

Crewmannumber6: GAT_00: So now we're listening to a Hollywood ElitistBoston Intelectual?

/FTFY
//not him necessarily, but his parents are both college professors

wiki

Matt Damon was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts, the son of Kent Telfer Damon, a stockbroker, and Nancy Carlsson-Paige, an early childhood education professor at Lesley University.

Early ed professor doesn't really coutn as a professor.

Carth: DarnoKonrad:


You can't hide from the law and simultaneously expect to be protected by it.

Humans might be the only animal that can hold two contradictory ideas in their mind at the same time and adamantly believe both of them.

Yep, logic must be imposed on thinking, it sure in the hell doesn't come naturally.

DarnoKonrad:

Simply and unequivocally false. The guy was afforded due process, and he ignored it. Again You can't hide from the law and simultaneously expect to be protected by it.

That's a valid point I guess. It seems like almost everyday, I read about some escaped convict who was blown up by a predator drone. Sure, the authorities could've attempted to apprehend him, you know, like normal. But who has the farking time for that? And we have all these missiles we aren't using! Blow that farker up from the sky.

You're actually arguing for the United States Government to commit summary execution against an ACCUSED person, never convicted. Yes he ran. But If the government couldn't get extradition or properly arrest him, you don't just farking kill the farker based on unproven charges.

We don't live in that kind of goddamn country. Might as well start torturing people and monitoring our citizens without probable cause....oh. Well, enjoy your fascist state. Remember to keep fighting whose political party has the bigger dick, while you continue to get farked by the upper 1%.

Fascinating. In the 21st century, we still have white American males making references to castrated black males.

The guy must be a Southie.

Shabash: Wrong, subby.

Wow, you suck at reading/comprehension, knowing who to blame for that headline.

Smelly McUgly: FTA: "You know, a one-term president with some balls who actually got stuff done would have been, in the long run of the country, much better."

Now, that's not true! President Obama is getting SOPA and NDAA done. He had the balls to kill an American citizen on foreign soil! The guy is a machine when it comes to getting stuff done.

The problem is that all that "stuff" is right-wing whackadoodle bullshiat.

*sigh* Adults who have studied US Government know that the President is not a god, hell he is not even a dictator, and has to work with two other branches of government to achieve anything. That is called checks and balances, around here we learned about it in the fourth grade, seventh grade, and eleventh grade.

Any Republican President who had 1/4 of President Obama's accomplishments would be the second coming of Saint Reagan. Any Republican President who had killed as many enemies of the US, granted historic tax cuts, enacted a mild insurance reform, and restored US power in foreign politics the way President Obama has would be a god to them.

Seriously, your attack line is he has done nothing? Sure it might not be the most liberal of policies, but blame the farking House and Senate Democrats for that as they have no balls what so ever. He has done an unprecedented job as President and if he were more of a do nothing glory hound, like most Republican candidates, and not an accomplished intellectual you would realize that.

Fark is awesome. I submitted this yesterday with an accurate and funnier headline and this one gets the greenlight. Yay Fark! Don't worry though, I'm over it.

YodaBlues: DarnoKonrad:

Simply and unequivocally false. The guy was afforded due process, and he ignored it. Again You can't hide from the law and simultaneously expect to be protected by it.

That's a valid point I guess. It seems like almost everyday, I read about some escaped convict who was blown up by a predator drone. Sure, the authorities could've attempted to apprehend him, you know, like normal. But who has the farking time for that? And we have all these missiles we aren't using! Blow that farker up from the sky.

You're actually arguing for the United States Government to commit summary execution against an ACCUSED person, never convicted. Yes he ran. But If the government couldn't get extradition or properly arrest him, you don't just farking kill the farker based on unproven charges.

We don't live in that kind of goddamn country. Might as well start torturing people and monitoring our citizens without probable cause....oh. Well, enjoy your fascist state. Remember to keep fighting whose political party has the bigger dick, while you continue to get farked by the upper 1%.

Sounds like somebody hates freedom. Sounds like somebody hates America.

/To the reeducation camps with you!
//That's right, we don't do that (yet).
///But we can always just accuse you of terrorism, never give you a trial, and hold you indefinitely.

YodaBlues: You're actually arguing for the United States Government to commit summary execution against an ACCUSED person, never convicted.


I didn't hear you complaining about bin Ladin or that pirate that got his brains shot out. Firstly, the constitution protects persons, not citizens. Secondly, if you want that protection you need to be in the constitution's jurisdiction -- not on the high seas with an AK-47 pointed at someone's head or hanging out with terrorists in Yemen. Those details are really really farking important when it comes to how much protection you expect from the law.

The moment we start killing people on Anywhere, USA I'll be right along with you saying it's bullshiat. But that's not what's even remotely occurring.

CravenMorehead: Fark is awesome. I submitted this yesterday with an accurate and funnier headline and this one gets the greenlight. Yay Fark! Don't worry though, I'm over it.

It's ok you just stole the article from Reddit anyway.

The other day I said at while eating a breakfast of soggy toast and runny eggs "I would have preferred cold cereal" but I wasn't dismissing my eggs as cereal

Subby fails reading comprehension test. He said that the dems would be better off with a 1 term president with ballz. He is basically calling Obama a gutless two faced politician.

What's Matt Dillon's take on Obama?

moothemagiccow: let's be frank. I voted for obama but he's a farking wimpy president. He doesn't understand the opposition and he always wants to compromise on anything important. Most of the people who were "woohoo Obama" in 08 are looking for someone else.

Who?

Babwa Wawa: It appears to me that liberals and civil libertarians are better served by a vocal minority party than a party so terrified of losing power that they will sell out nearly all of their basic principles.

Split the vote and elect Republicans is all it would do. We need to be vocal, we need to tell people this shiat is wrong, but we also need to be pragmatic. And voting for the lesser of two evils consistently does ensure less evil will exist.

No true liberal would run the executive like Obama.

Obama has done shiat a Republican president never would have done. He got Bin Laden, he got the troops out of Iraq. I'm sure in term two he'll have something to say about packing it in for Afghanistan.

moothemagiccow: magusdevil: moothemagiccow: let's be frank. I voted for obama but he's a farking wimpy president. He doesn't understand the opposition and he always wants to compromise on anything important. Most of the people who were "woohoo Obama" in 08 are looking for someone else.

Who?

frank

Is Earnest running as VP?

DarnoKonrad: YodaBlues: You're actually arguing for the United States Government to commit summary execution against an ACCUSED person, never convicted.


I didn't hear you complaining about bin Ladin or that pirate that got his brains shot out.


Umm, so? Just cause you didn't hear me, didn't me I wasn't biatching.


Firstly, the constitution protects persons, not citizens. Secondly, if you want that protection you need to be in the constitution's jurisdiction -- not on the high seas with an AK-47 pointed at someone's head or hanging out with terrorists in Yemen. Those details are really really farking important when it comes to how much protection you expect from the law.

This is really farking stupid. So constitutional rights have a physical limit, huh? You have rights here, but don't cross the imaginary line, cause they'll be gone! You don't lose your rights cause you crossed some imaginary farking line my friend. Either you have rights or you don't have farking rights, take your pick. If I commit I crime in a foreign land, I expect to be held to that country's laws. I do not expect that country to bomb the shiat outta me after I return home.


The moment we start killing people on Anywhere, USA I'll be right along with you saying it's bullshiat. But that's not what's even remotely occurring.

..yet. NDAA will pass and Obama will sign it, cause like all Presidents before him, he is unable to turn down an expansion of power. Thanks to warrant less wiretaps, we'll quickly know which "terrorists" we'll need to contain within our own borders. SOPA will help our friends in the media blackout these stories, so we can all occupy our free time with new episodes of "Kardashians Bush!" and "Vagina Clown Car: The New Class". Unfortunately, we won't have much time to watch though, cause management has decreed mandatory overtime in the excess of 100 hours a week cause the CEO REALLY wants that third golden toilet installed on the 8th floor of his custom yacht, which he docks in Rhode Island so as to not have to pay the taxes. And people like you will STILL be defending an expansion of power simple because it was the guy you voted for.

beta_plus: No true liberal would run the executive like Obama.

No true liberal would get the nomination. The same way that no Republican can get the nod without being a complete nut case, no Democrat can get nominated without being right of Reagan.

nmiguy: Subby fails reading comprehension test. He said that the dems would be better off with a 1 term president with ballz. He is basically calling Obama a gutless two faced politician.

Ah, yes, the magic power of balls. The power to circumvent congress, override filibusters, and create laws out of thin air all by oneself.

Damon sounds very much like some of the idealistic, naive, ignorant people here on Fark that fancy themselves enlightened liberals yet have no idea how our government actually operates.

Good, it's more left wingers should speak out against his jackass "conservative" type policies.

Show me what has materially changed between 2008 and now. Please.

1) America no longer tortures.
2) America is substantially out of Iraq.
3) Comprehensive health care reform has passed, and we're moving to near universal coverage.
4) Homosexuals may now serve in the military on equal terms with their heterosexual brethren.
5) The economy is recovering.
6) It is now more difficult for credit card companies to screw their clientele.
7) Victims of sexual discrimination in the workplace may again sue their employers under reasonable terms.
8) Americans are better protected against foreign infringements on freedom of speech (look up the SPEECH Act).
9) Federal student loans are substantially more affordable now.

Carth: Coco LaFemme: but I can't think of a single person who honestly wonders what the star of Good Will Hunting thinks about Obama's presidency thus far.......except you, of course.

It isn't like there is an entire industry that is devoted to talking about what movie stars think and do. Damon was right the dozen or so people I know who donated and campaigned for Obama in 2008 will be staying home and keeping their wallets closed in 2012

People who do that get the government they deserve.