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2011-12-22 04:46:48 AM

gimmegimme: Seriously. When I think about what Obama has had to deal with, I compare it to trying to have sex with Kristen Bell while Ted Haggard describes having anal sex with your Dad. You could probably pleasure K-Bell a little, but not as well as you could without such a terrible handicap.


Well, that's got to be one of the strangest analogies I've ever read.. but it's not wrong..
 
2011-12-22 05:15:21 AM
FTA: "You know, a one-term president with some balls who actually got stuff done would have been, in the long run of the country, much better."

Now, that's not true! President Obama is getting SOPA and NDAA done. He had the balls to kill an American citizen on foreign soil! The guy is a machine when it comes to getting stuff done.

The problem is that all that "stuff" is right-wing whackadoodle bullshiat.
 
2011-12-22 05:31:48 AM

Cyno01: foo monkey: Obama will be re-elected. Book it. Done.

He got handed one of the biggest turd-sandwiches in US history. He inherited two wars and a tanking economy. He closed off one war. He got Bin Laden. That second war will end in his second term. The economy may not be better, but it's not worse. It's certainly not worse for him.

Oh, and he's Black. He'll still get 95% of the non-white vote.

The republicans could have the black vote if they wanted it. Just start reminding everybody that Lincoln, who freed the slaves, was a republican. They dont want it because i guess the racist hick demographic is much larger.


Yes, because the Republican Party platform from the 1860's is virtually identical to that of today's GOP.
 
2011-12-22 05:33:30 AM

Alphax: gimmegimme: Seriously. When I think about what Obama has had to deal with, I compare it to trying to have sex with Kristen Bell while Ted Haggard describes having anal sex with your Dad. You could probably pleasure K-Bell a little, but not as well as you could without such a terrible handicap.

Well, that's got to be one of the strangest analogies I've ever read.. but it's not wrong..


He might be right, but having this go through one's mind is oh so very, very wrong
 
2011-12-22 05:37:22 AM
technicolor-misfit

that Cuban guy shirt and don't believe in Jesus.

Che was Argentinian. (new window)
 
2011-12-22 05:40:13 AM

Dialectic: Che was Argentinian. (new window)


He would be! That rat bastard!
 
2011-12-22 05:43:27 AM

SmitetheRighteous: It's still too painful for some to admit but this country is NOT at the tipping point yet where we'll elect a hard left government that will cram single payer through and quash the power of the corporate world. Things have to really, seriously, tragically go to pot before that will happen.


Nope; even if society utterly collapses under a hard-right president with a Republican senate and congress, the right will still find some way to blame it on the libs, and 40% of the population will believe it.

Hell, with the recent financial crisis (a crisis caused in large part by over-deregulation), we saw people claim the only solution was... more deregulation. Because apparently the market collapsed because it wasn't quite free enough.
 
2011-12-22 05:44:35 AM
He said: "I've even let down my key core constituency: movie stars. Just the other day, Matt Damon - I love Matt Damon, love the guy - Matt Damon said he was disappointed in my performance. Well, Matt, I just saw "The Adjustment Bureau," so -right back atcha, buddy."

Heh...
 
2011-12-22 05:44:39 AM

CanisNoir: Thats No Moose: That said, it's a wonder Obama got any shiat done.

Past Presidents have had harder battles to fight and were victorious. Obama's problem is that he was ineffective at bringing public opinion to his side and selling his ideas as being "good for the country" which is why he didn't get anything done.


You mean the 'Fox News' public opinion side? Or the public opinion 'side' that will re-elect him? Wow you guys really do try too hard.
 
2011-12-22 05:51:46 AM
The day I take political opinions from Matt Damon is the day I get stock advise from my dog.

/ok, ready boy? two barks for buy, one bark for sell
//hmmm...why is my portfolio so lopsided towards milk-bone futures?
 
2011-12-22 05:55:53 AM
The guy has asked for, and signed shiat that no president right or left should have. There is reason to be disgusted with Obama. Just because you're the least idiotic lunatic in a bunch of lunatics, do you really deserve farking praise?
 
2011-12-22 06:11:06 AM

Dialectic: technicolor-misfit

that Cuban guy shirt and don't believe in Jesus.

Che was Argentinian. (new window)



Don't tell me... Come down to Alabama and tell it to the mouthbreathers I was mimicking.
 
2011-12-22 06:24:05 AM
This article is best described as compete horseshiat.
 
2011-12-22 06:33:52 AM

skygod: CanisNoir: Thats No Moose: That said, it's a wonder Obama got any shiat done.

Past Presidents have had harder battles to fight and were victorious. Obama's problem is that he was ineffective at bringing public opinion to his side and selling his ideas as being "good for the country" which is why he didn't get anything done.

You mean the 'Fox News' public opinion side? Or the public opinion 'side' that will re-elect him? Wow you guys really do try too hard.


Give Gato/Canis/Boca a break.He's still tired from getting worked up over some pale, doughy Newtmentum.
 
2011-12-22 06:39:22 AM
I'm definitely not voting for him after this.
 
2011-12-22 06:40:49 AM

stoli n coke: skygod: CanisNoir: Thats No Moose: That said, it's a wonder Obama got any shiat done.

Past Presidents have had harder battles to fight and were victorious. Obama's problem is that he was ineffective at bringing public opinion to his side and selling his ideas as being "good for the country" which is why he didn't get anything done.

You mean the 'Fox News' public opinion side? Or the public opinion 'side' that will re-elect him? Wow you guys really do try too hard.

Give Gato/Canis/Boca a break.He's still tired from getting worked up over some pale, doughy Newtmentum.


Hey, hey. He swore he never met those other fellows.
 
2011-12-22 06:47:15 AM

Fark Me To Tears: I'm sorry, Matt. Perhaps you could do a better job? Surely you wouldn't run into any of the partisan political stonewalling nonsense that President Obama has been having to put up with for the past three years, because you're such a great world-class leader in your own right?


You know, no one forced President Obama to continuing invoking the states secrets privilege to protect the government from accountability while directing his DoJ to not investigate Bush officials from crimes. Those scary Republicans didn't make him start assassinating US citizens without due process. Those evil Republicans weren't the ones that tried to negotiate with the Maliki government for extending the deadline for the withdraw of US troops. No one ever forced him to argue before the courts (successfully) for the right to detain people indefinitely overseas. He could have used his veto on the new bill to allow indefinite imprisonment of US citizens without a trial, but he chose not to.

Obama could have kept his campaign promise to televise the negotiations with the health insurance industry over the new health care law. Instead, he traded away the public option in backroom deals. He could make enforcing federal marijuana laws which conflict with state laws a low-priority for an already overburdened federal bureaucracy. Instead, we've seen an increase in marijuana-related busts.

I could go on, but I'm about to go eat dinner. Quit blaming everything on the other guys. The Republicans are a blight on our nation, but Obama, as the executive, has done a lot of bad things.
 
2011-12-22 06:50:40 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I'm disappointed that Obama felt he had to exact a little revenge by taking a swipe at Damon's latest film.

Disappointed, but not surprised. Obama has shown himself to be petty and mean spirited time and again.


That sand much really hurt.

This joke about Matt Damon was during the White House Correspondents' Dinner (the same one where he played the beginning of The Lion King as his birth video).

Other gems from the same speech:

And where is the National Public Radio table? (Cheering.) You guys are still here? (Laughter.) That's good. I couldn't remember where we landed on that. (Laughter.) Now, I know you were a little tense when the GOP tried to cut your funding, but personally I was looking forward to new programming like "No Things Considered" -- (laughter) -- or "Wait, Wait...Don't Fund Me." (Laughter.)

also

Others say that I'm arrogant. But I've found a really great self-help tool for this: my poll numbers.

and, of course



Donald Trump is here tonight! (Laughter and applause.) Now, I know that he's taken some flak lately, but no one is happier, no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the Donald. (Laughter.) And that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter -- like, did we fake the moon landing? (Laughter.) What really happened in Roswell? (Laughter.) And where are Biggie and Tupac? (Laughter and applause.)

But all kidding aside, obviously, we all know about your credentials and breadth of experience. (Laughter.) For example -- no, seriously, just recently, in an episode of Celebrity Apprentice -- (laughter) -- at the steakhouse, the men's cooking team cooking did not impress the judges from Omaha Steaks. And there was a lot of blame to go around. But you, Mr. Trump, recognized that the real problem was a lack of leadership. And so ultimately, you didn't blame Lil' Jon or Meatloaf. (Laughter.) You fired Gary Busey. (Laughter.) And these are the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night. (Laughter and applause.) Well handled, sir. (Laughter.) Well handled.
 
2011-12-22 06:58:38 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Those scary Republicans didn't make him start assassinating US citizens without due process.


Being born in a America doesn't make you special. Awlaki had the same rights and privileges afforded to all persons under the jurisdiction of the constitution. And if you go to foreign nation to make war on the United States you've forfeited your due process rights. That's true of Bin Ladin and Awlaki. Period, end of story.
 
2011-12-22 07:00:17 AM
THIS JUST IN:

1 US citizen out of 312,816,000 citizens expresses their dislike of the president. What does he have to say?

More at 11....


/He's no different than anyone else in this country just because he's on TV.
 
2011-12-22 07:01:38 AM
 
2011-12-22 07:02:41 AM
I like Matt Damon. You can substitute "Night fever" with his name in the Bee Gees song, and it still works. Who couldn't love that"?
 
2011-12-22 07:03:51 AM

TV's Vinnie: I'd like to think that Chris Rock's assessment about Obama will be more correct, that once Obama has won in 2012, he's gonna come out all "gangsta" and steamroller what's left of the GOP till '17.


He will have at most two years, with the way election campaigns run now maybe less, before he starts quacking like a duck.
 
2011-12-22 07:03:57 AM

DarnoKonrad: And if you go to foreign nation to make war on the United States you've forfeited your due process rights


Your due process rights are what ensure that you *actually* went to war against someone. We don't know who is being assassinated or what they have done other than "hey guys, trust me on this one." Personally, I don't. There are judicial processes by which you can revoke someone's citizenship if they are actually engaging in war against the US, and the Obama Administration isn't following them, in effect murdering people. Without this process, what's to stop him from dropping a bomb on me right now and then saying "look, Sudo was affiliated with Al Qaeda?" And the answer is really nothing.
 
2011-12-22 07:07:36 AM
Wow, Obama must have farked Matt Damon.
 
2011-12-22 07:08:13 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: DarnoKonrad: And if you go to foreign nation to make war on the United States you've forfeited your due process rights

Your due process rights are what ensure that you *actually* went to war against someone. We don't know who is being assassinated or what they have done other than "hey guys, trust me on this one." Personally, I don't. There are judicial processes by which you can revoke someone's citizenship if they are actually engaging in war against the US, and the Obama Administration isn't following them, in effect murdering people. Without this process, what's to stop him from dropping a bomb on me right now and then saying "look, Sudo was affiliated with Al Qaeda?" And the answer is really nothing.


We could only wish.
 
2011-12-22 07:08:51 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: DarnoKonrad: And if you go to foreign nation to make war on the United States you've forfeited your due process rights

Your due process rights are what ensure that you *actually* went to war against someone. We don't know who is being assassinated or what they have done other than "hey guys, trust me on this one." Personally, I don't. There are judicial processes by which you can revoke someone's citizenship if they are actually engaging in war against the US, and the Obama Administration isn't following them, in effect murdering people. Without this process, what's to stop him from dropping a bomb on me right now and then saying "look, Sudo was affiliated with Al Qaeda?" And the answer is really nothing.



He had due process. Look, the Judge in the case his dad brought was pretty clear. He could have walked into any court in the country and made his case against the Government wanting him dead. It doesn't matter if you're held up in your basement with a bunch of guns or held up in a cave in Yemen with a bunch of terrorists -- you're hiding from the law designed to protect your ass and bad things will happen to you.
 
2011-12-22 07:09:02 AM

GAT_00: So now we're listening to a Hollywood Elitist?


It's wat Reagan would want.
 
2011-12-22 07:15:02 AM

DarnoKonrad: He could have walked into any court in the country and made his case against the Government wanting him dead


I'm not talking about any one person. This is a secret government program that we just happened to find out in one case, Alwalaki. His 16 year old son was killed, and no one knew he was being targeted, and he never had charged filed against him in court.
 
2011-12-22 07:19:41 AM
Supported retroactive immunity for massive lawbreaking by telecoms (as senator)
Expansion of secret overseas murder programs
Gave up on Guantanomo
NDAA
Savage reprisals against whistle-blowers
Continued down the path of the "Ministry of Love" embassy in Baghdad and has perpetuated the Bush lie that we're "getting out of Iraq" when in fact we maintain a large private armed force there that will result in catastrophe
Most secretive administration ever, after promises of openness

To name a few.

Obama isn't a failure so much as a disaster. The fact that some GOP fark might have been even worse is no excuse. Nobody put a gun to Obama's head and made him aggressively push for even greater presidential power to ignore the constitution and play the international cowboy. Not everything he has done has been bad, but that's no excuse for the bad stuff either.

In too many ways, Obama is the perpetuation of the Cheney program. The big difference is that the Cheneyites loved to thump their chests, prance on carrier decks, and brag and boast about their macho awesomeness. Obama keeps the bad stuff on a low profile, so we hear fairly little about it. And we ignore it.

So when I say Obama is a disaster, I mean that Obama and his willing or apathetic partners (us) are a disaster. And when the international blowback occurs, Faux News will be there to say, "It's because Obama cut and run!" and we'll buy that, hook line and sinker. Because Obama doesn't prance on carrier decks and brag every chance he gets about how he's karate-chopping the evil-doers.
 
2011-12-22 07:22:24 AM
Was he campaigning for the Democrats for the mid-terms? You know, when the Tea Party pretty much took over and made sure Obama did not have a workable Congress? I don't disagree that Obama has been lacking in the "balls" department, but it's disingenuous to criticize for him for not passing a liberal agenda when you fell asleep on making sure he would have a Congress he could work with. Same goes for a big chunk of these OWS asshole hipsters.

I read that the youth/liberal progressive vote dropped by something like 60% for the 2010 mid-terms. Sixty. farking. Percent.

You must not forget, Obama inherited two wars, rising unemployment, an economic crisis second only to The Great Depression and an opposing party so rabid and visceral in its opposition they dedicated a sub-segment of its base to question the guy's legitimacy, all with an incredibly fickle liberal base to support him - and you're pissed because he hasn't passed a progressive agenda on top of that? It's just disingenuous.
 
2011-12-22 07:23:07 AM
graphics8.nytimes.com


Well, there goes Middle America.
 
2011-12-22 07:25:49 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: DarnoKonrad: He could have walked into any court in the country and made his case against the Government wanting him dead

I'm not talking about any one person. This is a secret government program that we just happened to find out in one case, Alwalaki. His 16 year old son was killed, and no one knew he was being targeted, and he never had charged filed against him in court.


Not true. He was wanted by Yemen authorities for his ties to terrorism. That was the jurisdiction he was living under. He did not give himself up. There are any number of legal protections this guy could have invoked, including returning to U.S. jurisdiction, and he hid from them all -- if law enforcement wants to talk to you, DO NOT run away or lock yourself up. It doesn't matter if you're formally charged with a crime or not.

I despise this idea that merely being born within the United States some how entitles you to run around the world hiding from the law and issuing death threats to people you don't like. It's farking insane.


The U.S. Constitution can protect you, but not if you hide from it.
 
2011-12-22 07:30:59 AM

CanisNoir: Cyno01: The republicans could have the black vote if they wanted it. Just start reminding everybody that Lincoln, who freed the slaves, was a republican. They dont want it because i guess the racist hick demographic is much larger.

Actually Lincoln was a Republican before the parties kind of switched, he'd be technically a Democrat now... Honestly, the Black Vote *should* go to the Republicans because they tend to agree with the majority of policy stances that reflect that demographic. The problem is, they are unable to get over the specter of the "Southern Strategy" where they courted the Southern Democrats and used Civil Rights and Segregation as a wedge issue to do it. Many people forget that JFK did the same thing prior to becoming president and while in the end he finally did see it as a moral cause, at the beginning of his political career, he alienated many black leaders due to his stances. Political parties change, and the GOP's problem is they don't know how to reach out to the black demographic, but more and more black republicans are starting to come to the fore to help that along. There's been a push for Condi as a Veep Pick, and while I think she's too smart a lady to ever do it, it would certainly help them out a lot in that area.


*BLINK*
That's actually a pretty fair and accurate statement....How is it you are able to go from making perfectly reasonable and cogent arguments in one thread, to literally shiatting out of your mouth in a different thread? Aren't you worried about pulling a muscle or something?
 
2011-12-22 07:32:40 AM

Kibbler: Obama isn't a failure so much as a disaster.


Get some perspective.

The United States government has done some atrocious things in the past. Interning Japanese, allow states to extra-judicially lynch people, stealing people's land, experimenting on people without their knowledge. . . .the list just goes on and on.

I have serious civil libertarian objections with some of congress and administration's policies -- but we're a long way from a "disaster." Right now we have a theoretical possibly for abuse if the policies are expanded beyond terrorism.
 
2011-12-22 07:33:36 AM

DarnoKonrad: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: DarnoKonrad: He could have walked into any court in the country and made his case against the Government wanting him dead

I'm not talking about any one person. This is a secret government program that we just happened to find out in one case, Alwalaki. His 16 year old son was killed, and no one knew he was being targeted, and he never had charged filed against him in court.

Not true. He was wanted by Yemen authorities for his ties to terrorism. That was the jurisdiction he was living under. He did not give himself up. There are any number of legal protections this guy could have invoked, including returning to U.S. jurisdiction, and he hid from them all -- if law enforcement wants to talk to you, DO NOT run away or lock yourself up. It doesn't matter if you're formally charged with a crime or not.

I despise this idea that merely being born within the United States some how entitles you to run around the world hiding from the law and issuing death threats to people you don't like. It's farking insane.


The U.S. Constitution can protect you, but not if you hide from it.


Seriously, if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?
 
2011-12-22 07:36:11 AM
technicolor-misfit

Don't tell me... Come down to Alabama and tell it to the mouthbreathers I was mimicking.



Oh, shiat. Sorry that you are in the Bible belt. I am sorry.
 
2011-12-22 07:37:17 AM

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: He said: "I've talked to a lot of people who worked for Obama at the grassroots level. One of them said to me, 'Never again. I will never be fooled again by a politician,'".

"You know, a one-term president with some balls who actually got stuff done would have been, in the long run of the country, much better."

I'm sorry, Matt. Perhaps you could do a better job? Surely you wouldn't run into any of the partisan political stonewalling nonsense that President Obama has been having to put up with for the past three years, because you're such a great world-class leader in your own right?

Dude... seriously... you need to be careful about believing in your own hype. Washington politics are way out of your league.


Believing his own hype? He was giving an interview and the interviewer asked him about his political opinions. What do you expect him to do; lie about being disenchanted? Put Pres. Obama's electoral chances ahead of his own disappointment and frustration at seeing a candidate he stumped for put together an admin even more hostile to civil rights than Bush's? Stop caring, as the son of a school teacher, about education policy? Mr. Damon obviously feels like the politician he supported in 2008 let him down, and he's hardly the only lib who feels that way, but according to you none of us are allowed to say that unless we have all the answer to every governmental problem.

And frankly, it has been precisely the stuff where Obama has met zero stonewalling that frustrates me the most. Indefinite detention without trial, loosening rules on the surveillance of the general population, his admin's absurd, Orwellian insistence that the Drone bombing campaign is a "state-secret" that no one is allowed to know about, even though its existence is obvious, every paper in the world reports on it, and they incessantly trot out its "successes" while claiming, ridiculously, that no innocent are ever harmed in the attacks. This is all bullshiat -every bit of it- and no Republican forced him to do any of it, anymore than a Republican has been forcing him to use DHS thugs to try to squelch the pot legalization movement, or to coordinate local PDs regarding the suppression of the Occupy protests.
 
2011-12-22 07:38:09 AM
Disingenuous headline is disingenuous albeit not entirely unexpected considering where we are.

Damon's idea that Obama should have cashed in all his political capital and become a one term POTUS who got things done is largely a liberal pipedream that ignores huge swaths of reality including a RW media stronger than it's ever been before, the rest of the overly-cozy corporate media committed to perpetuating the status quo, a historically inept, corrupt and obstructionist congress filled with Teatarded GOPhers and lame blue-dogs who undermine all attempts at reform and the steaming flaming pile of feces that Obama was left to clean up after Bush.

Number me among those who hope that Obama's second term brings out the lib in him but also among those not holding their breaths waiting for it to happen.

/Yes, run on sentences do tend to run on.
 
2011-12-22 07:41:48 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I'm disappointed that Obama felt he had to exact a little revenge by taking a swipe at Damon's latest film.

Disappointed, but not surprised. Obama has shown himself to be petty and mean spirited time and again.


The Adjustment Bureau wasn't all that bad anyway. It definitely wasn't great, but it had a good cast that generally did well with a rather interesting fantasy concept. What problems it did have were the ones you typically see in moves adapted from books, particularly Phillip K. Dicks rather psychedelic works.
 
2011-12-22 07:44:03 AM

Heron: AverageAmericanGuy: I'm disappointed that Obama felt he had to exact a little revenge by taking a swipe at Damon's latest film.

Disappointed, but not surprised. Obama has shown himself to be petty and mean spirited time and again.

The Adjustment Bureau wasn't all that bad anyway. It definitely wasn't great, but it had a good cast that generally did well with a rather interesting fantasy concept. What problems it did have were the ones you typically see in moves adapted from books, particularly Phillip K. Dicks rather psychedelic works.


Haven't seen it. It just seems out of place and petty for the President to react like that to someone who ostensibly wants him to succeed.
 
2011-12-22 07:46:34 AM

technicolor-misfit: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: He said: "I've talked to a lot of people who worked for Obama at the grassroots level. One of them said to me, 'Never again. I will never be fooled again by a politician,'".

"You know, a one-term president with some balls who actually got stuff done would have been, in the long run of the country, much better."

I'm sorry, Matt. Perhaps you could do a better job? Surely you wouldn't run into any of the partisan political stonewalling nonsense that President Obama has been having to put up with for the past three years, because you're such a great world-class leader in your own right?

Dude... seriously... you need to be careful about believing in your own hype. Washington politics are way out of your league.


He does acknowledge that:

"I'm so disgusted," he said. "I mean, no, I don't know what you do in the face of that kind of intransigence. So, my heart does go out to the President. He is dealing with a lot."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/21/matt-damon-slams-obama-democ r ats-one-term-balls_n_1162511.html


Still, I agree with him... Obama is always playing it safe, always hedging his bets, and he hasn't even made a fraction of the use of the "bully-pulpit" of the presidency that he should have. You don't just throw up your hands and say "but they're being mean." You go out and you get on TV and you make your case.

But, at the end of the day, the reality is he's a corporate President. He's Republican Lite. I believe he's mostly where he wants to be... just right of center on economic issues, just left of center on most social issues, and playing it very close to the vest on gay rights issues.


^. Though I'd disagree on the "left of center on social issues", particularly in light of his atrocious over-ruling of the FDA on "Plan B" and his general comfort with expanding policy powers, either through claiming them himself, or pressuring the judiciary to accept them.
 
2011-12-22 07:49:31 AM

YodaBlues:

Seriously, if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?




Well no, you don't. That phrase should be reserved for clear abuse of your rights. The cops wanting to ask you some question isn't some crazy abuse of power. I can tell you right now, if the FBI wants to talk to me about terrorism, I'm getting a lawyer and going straight to the nearest federal courthouse. Or I could book a ticket to Yemen.

I've got a pretty good idea which will allow me to exercise my constitutional rights.
 
2011-12-22 07:52:53 AM

DarnoKonrad: Kibbler: Obama isn't a failure so much as a disaster.

Get some perspective.

The United States government has done some atrocious things in the past. Interning Japanese, allow states to extra-judicially lynch people, stealing people's land, experimenting on people without their knowledge. . . .the list just goes on and on.


Yes...and those were disasters. We should try to forestall disasters.

There will be enormous blowback from our overseas murder programs. The fact that our press rarely covers it, and we're asleep to it, does not mean that it isn't building hatred and resentment against us. And in the next phase of our hysterical overreaction, we will find out just what can be done by a president with the power to unilaterally declare people "terrorists" and throw them into a perpetual legal black hole. In the next phase of our national "USA! USA! USA!" surge of "patriotism," we will stand by (or cheer) while large numbers of US citizens get thrown into that hole. Then, when we begin to recover, and question whether that was the right thing to do, we will find that, sorry, but that legal black hole is a legal black hole, and it's perpetual, and questioning it can get you thrown into the same hole. Sit down and shut up, citizen, unless you want to go into the hole. Because TERROR.

So in my view, I'm not the one who needs to gain perspective.
 
2011-12-22 07:56:09 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: DarnoKonrad: He could have walked into any court in the country and made his case against the Government wanting him dead

I'm not talking about any one person. This is a secret government program that we just happened to find out in one case, Alwalaki. His 16 year old son was killed, and no one knew he was being targeted, and he never had charged filed against him in court.


I'm not sure why you think this is anything new. How many people to Cheney disappear over his 8 years running the oval office? Rush still talks about Vince Foster, and Bush1 was director of the CIA. Look at how criminal Reagan's administration was, do you really think no Americans were killed?

The only president in the past 50 years I doubt had Americans killed is Carter.
 
2011-12-22 07:58:49 AM

SmitetheRighteous: Jezus. Obama never campaigned as some populist, stick it to the right, social democrat. He's a moderate who seeks compromise and always has been. Having said, that, he's still a huge departure from Bush with his thoughtfulness and sanity. That alone vindicates the "Change" slogan. A McCain presidency would have been far too terrifying to consider.

It's still too painful for some to admit but this country is NOT at the tipping point yet where we'll elect a hard left government that will cram single payer through and quash the power of the corporate world. Things have to really, seriously, tragically go to pot before that will happen. There are too many who are apathetic and invested in the status quo. Any left-wing solution will inevitably be watered down.


Bullshiat. Huge majorities support such things as single payer health care, restoring Glass-Steagalls, trying terrorism suspects as common criminals in civilian courts, enforcing fraud laws against Wall Street, restricting the government's power to spy on its own citizens, allowing gay marriage, and ending our wars overseas. These are precisely the policies that most Americans want, and they are precisely what a "hard-left" campaign platform would look like. The reason "hard-left" governments don't get elected in the US is because neither party offers such a thing to the voters, and because our electoral system is structured to make third-party success almost impossible; not because of this counter-factual notion that the US is a "center-right country".
 
2011-12-22 07:59:24 AM

Kibbler: DarnoKonrad: Kibbler: Obama isn't a failure so much as a disaster.

Get some perspective.

The United States government has done some atrocious things in the past. Interning Japanese, allow states to extra-judicially lynch people, stealing people's land, experimenting on people without their knowledge. . . .the list just goes on and on.

Yes...and those were disasters. We should try to forestall disasters.

There will be enormous blowback from our overseas murder programs. The fact that our press rarely covers it, and we're asleep to it, does not mean that it isn't building hatred and resentment against us. And in the next phase of our hysterical overreaction, we will find out just what can be done by a president with the power to unilaterally declare people "terrorists" and throw them into a perpetual legal black hole. In the next phase of our national "USA! USA! USA!" surge of "patriotism," we will stand by (or cheer) while large numbers of US citizens get thrown into that hole. Then, when we begin to recover, and question whether that was the right thing to do, we will find that, sorry, but that legal black hole is a legal black hole, and it's perpetual, and questioning it can get you thrown into the same hole. Sit down and shut up, citizen, unless you want to go into the hole. Because TERROR.

So in my view, I'm not the one who needs to gain perspective.



A slippery slope is not a reason to proclaim the sky is falling.
 
2011-12-22 07:59:45 AM

YodaBlues: DarnoKonrad: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: DarnoKonrad: He could have walked into any court in the country and made his case against the Government wanting him dead

I'm not talking about any one person. This is a secret government program that we just happened to find out in one case, Alwalaki. His 16 year old son was killed, and no one knew he was being targeted, and he never had charged filed against him in court.

Not true. He was wanted by Yemen authorities for his ties to terrorism. That was the jurisdiction he was living under. He did not give himself up. There are any number of legal protections this guy could have invoked, including returning to U.S. jurisdiction, and he hid from them all -- if law enforcement wants to talk to you, DO NOT run away or lock yourself up. It doesn't matter if you're formally charged with a crime or not.

I despise this idea that merely being born within the United States some how entitles you to run around the world hiding from the law and issuing death threats to people you don't like. It's farking insane.


The U.S. Constitution can protect you, but not if you hide from it.

Seriously, if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?


www.justconservative.com

You're a great American who truly understands the concept of freedom.
 
2011-12-22 08:00:29 AM

YodaBlues: CanisNoir: Cyno01: The republicans could have the black vote if they wanted it. Just start reminding everybody that Lincoln, who freed the slaves, was a republican. They dont want it because i guess the racist hick demographic is much larger.

Actually Lincoln was a Republican before the parties kind of switched, he'd be technically a Democrat now... Honestly, the Black Vote *should* go to the Republicans because they tend to agree with the majority of policy stances that reflect that demographic. The problem is, they are unable to get over the specter of the "Southern Strategy" where they courted the Southern Democrats and used Civil Rights and Segregation as a wedge issue to do it. Many people forget that JFK did the same thing prior to becoming president and while in the end he finally did see it as a moral cause, at the beginning of his political career, he alienated many black leaders due to his stances. Political parties change, and the GOP's problem is they don't know how to reach out to the black demographic, but more and more black republicans are starting to come to the fore to help that along. There's been a push for Condi as a Veep Pick, and while I think she's too smart a lady to ever do it, it would certainly help them out a lot in that area.

*BLINK*
That's actually a pretty fair and accurate statement....How is it you are able to go from making perfectly reasonable and cogent arguments in one thread, to literally shiatting out of your mouth in a different thread? Aren't you worried about pulling a muscle or something?


Other than this, I agree.
 
2011-12-22 08:04:06 AM

jcooli09: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: DarnoKonrad: He could have walked into any court in the country and made his case against the Government wanting him dead

I'm not talking about any one person. This is a secret government program that we just happened to find out in one case, Alwalaki. His 16 year old son was killed, and no one knew he was being targeted, and he never had charged filed against him in court.

I'm not sure why you think this is anything new. How many people to Cheney disappear over his 8 years running the oval office? Rush still talks about Vince Foster, and Bush1 was director of the CIA. Look at how criminal Reagan's administration was, do you really think no Americans were killed?

The only president in the past 50 years I doubt had Americans killed is Carter.


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