Hey great, his line from Star Wars where he told Lucas "You can write it but you can't say it" can be recycled.

buckler: GAT_00: jake_lex: GAT_00: SphericalTime: Racham Mazer, or whatever his name is? Or the commandant?

He's playing Graff.

The problem is that this movie can't possibly be good. If I'm watching Ender's Game, I want to see a naked 10 year old murder another kid.

Yeah, yeah, that was inevitable.

But seriously, if you're going to do the book, do it right. Ender has to murder a couple of kids, one of them when he's 6.

I don't care if he's doing it while wearing a towel; he needs to murder the fark outta that kid; it sets the tone for the ending. "I didn't have to win this fight. I had to win all of them," I believe was the line.

But the thing is that basically when he kills the kids they don't tell him that he's done it till of course very well near the end.

At the time we're lead to believe that he just beat them up.

Also get either Annasophia Robb or Chloe Moretz to play Valentine. Peter can be some up and coming actor we don't know.

Lovely. More money lining war-mongering homophobic Orson Scott Card's pocket.

LegacyDL: buckler: GAT_00: jake_lex: GAT_00: SphericalTime: Racham Mazer, or whatever his name is? Or the commandant?

He's playing Graff.

The problem is that this movie can't possibly be good. If I'm watching Ender's Game, I want to see a naked 10 year old murder another kid.

Yeah, yeah, that was inevitable.

But seriously, if you're going to do the book, do it right. Ender has to murder a couple of kids, one of them when he's 6.

I don't care if he's doing it while wearing a towel; he needs to murder the fark outta that kid; it sets the tone for the ending. "I didn't have to win this fight. I had to win all of them," I believe was the line.

But the thing is that basically when he kills the kids they don't tell him that he's done it till of course very well near the end.

At the time we're lead to believe that he just beat them up.

Also get either Annasophia Robb or Chloe Moretz to play Valentine. Peter can be some up and coming actor we don't know.

Incorrect - *Ender* is lead to believe that he just beat them up. The reader is handed the answer shortly after the fights and WELL before the end of the story.

LegacyDL: buckler: GAT_00: jake_lex: GAT_00: SphericalTime: Racham Mazer, or whatever his name is? Or the commandant?

He's playing Graff.

The problem is that this movie can't possibly be good. If I'm watching Ender's Game, I want to see a naked 10 year old murder another kid.

Yeah, yeah, that was inevitable.

But seriously, if you're going to do the book, do it right. Ender has to murder a couple of kids, one of them when he's 6.

I don't care if he's doing it while wearing a towel; he needs to murder the fark outta that kid; it sets the tone for the ending. "I didn't have to win this fight. I had to win all of them," I believe was the line.

But the thing is that basically when he kills the kids they don't tell him that he's done it till of course very well near the end.

At the time we're lead to believe that he just beat them up.

Also get either Annasophia Robb or Chloe Moretz to play Valentine. Peter can be some up and coming actor we don't know.

Abigail Breslin has been cast as Valentine.

Breslin is 15. Valentine, at the start of the book, is EIGHT. Just how much do they think they can push the ages of these kids and still have it work?

This movie has been in development hell for so long, Jake Lloyd was going to be Ender. Turn out they still got to cast someone from Star Wars but for some reason this makes me think of Harrison Ford as the principal of Elliot's school in E.T.

Freudian_slipknot: Breslin is 15. Valentine, at the start of the book, is EIGHT. Just how much do they think they can push the ages of these kids and still have it work?

So is Hailee Steinfeld, who they cast as Petra. This whole thing is going to be a mess.

Me and my sister are going to take over the world!!

How, you may ask?

By trolling Fark's politics thread.

/stupid overrated book was stupid and overrated.

Written and directed by the guy who directed 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine'.

God help us all.

At the time we're lead to believe that he just beat them up.

Also get either Annasophia Robb or Chloe Moretz to play Valentine. Peter can be some up and coming actor we don't know.

Incorrect - *Ender* is lead to believe that he just beat them up. The reader is handed the answer shortly after the fights and WELL before the end of the story.

In the case of Stilson, the reader doesn't know right away - Opening chapter dialogue of the adults later on lets us know that Stilson is indeed dead. But Bonzo Madrid? Ender knows when he sees the look in his eyes. Or rather lack of a look. Ender's smart enough to know what he's becoming. And part of him likes it.

How old is Hailey Stansfield? When she's introduced in the book, she's naked as a jaybird. "Bonzo don't like you skin around Petra."

Unsung_Hero: Incorrect - *Ender* is lead to believe that he just beat them up. The reader is handed the answer shortly after the fights and WELL before the end of the story.

Ya yeah you're right, been years since I've read that book haha.

I don't really get how Ender's Game is Young Adult fiction. Aside from the fact that the characters are children, the themes expressed in the book are really sort of grown up. You've got lethal force as a legitimate means of deterring future personal attacks. This is shown as a parallel for mass genocide as a legitimate military tactic.

Plus, I'm pretty sure Orson Scott Card is a closet homosexual, and that really plays out in Ender's relationships in subsequent books. I mean, there's virtually no chemistry between Ender and his wife. His two closest female relationships are his sister and the AI that lives in his computer. Ender is obviously gay, and he gets married so he can be a step-dad.

It's all pretty crazy, and I can't imagine trying to market it all to kids.

donnielove: Freudian_slipknot: Breslin is 15. Valentine, at the start of the book, is EIGHT. Just how much do they think they can push the ages of these kids and still have it work?

So is Hailee Steinfeld, who they cast as Petra. This whole thing is going to be a mess.

That's more reasonable. Petra was 14 when the Bugger Wars ended, which means she was at least four years older than Ender. She'll at least end up the actress's age by the end of the movie.

Harrison Ford is a good choice as Graff. In Cowboys and Aliens he showed just the right mix of badass and fatherly.

As for the shower scene - pretty sure you can get away with that without getting all "have a seat over there" about it.

I think Ender's Game would make a decent movie if adapted properly. And there's nothing wrong with revealing at the end that he killed the two bullies. Easily done through flashback.

As for OSC's politics ... Who the fark cares? Did he write a good story? Did you like it? Then STFU and enjoy it.

Githerax: Written and directed by the guy who directed 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine'.

God help us all.

nice catch. that movie was horrible in all ways. i went from excited to scared.

towatchoverme: Harrison Ford is a good choice as Graff. In Cowboys and Aliens he showed just the right mix of badass and fatherly.

As for the shower scene - pretty sure you can get away with that without getting all "have a seat over there" about it.

I think Ender's Game would make a decent movie if adapted properly. And there's nothing wrong with revealing at the end that he killed the two bullies. Easily done through flashback.

As for OSC's politics ... Who the fark cares? Did he write a good story? Did you like it? Then STFU and enjoy it.

I see them upping the ages to the late teens, then having 20-somethings play the parts on top of that.

No way is a wide release film for adults going to have a leading cast of 6 year olds.

Did they say who was playing Bean?

Whateva_I_DO_WHAT_I_WANT: Did they say who was playing Bean?

Peter Dinklage.

Freudian_slipknot: Whateva_I_DO_WHAT_I_WANT: Did they say who was playing Bean?

Peter Dinklage.

THAT would be a winner

Tax Boy: Me and my sister are going to take over the world!!

How, you may ask?

By trolling Fark's politics thread.


Considering it was written in 1985 ... well before Fark was a gleam in a gonadally gifted squirrel's eye ... i'd say he was rather prescient about technology, and a little overly optimistic about people's capacity for rational discourse.

bdub77: At its core, Ender's Game is an apology for genocide aimed at young adults.

I think you really missed the point.

Read "Speaker for the Dead," which was actually the first book. Ender's Game is really the prequel. Ender does some pretty major penance for his crime.

Say what you want about OSC, his idea that funerals should be an opportunity to speak a kind of loving truth is a pretty cool one.

bdub77: I read Ender's Game. I'm not watching the movie or supporting any more of Orson Scott Card's works. The guy is really an asshole, and indeed has some major farking issues. At its core, Ender's Game is an apology for genocide aimed at young adults. It's a really interesting book, with interesting characters and plot, but it's not made for a movie anyway. I really believe certain books shouldn't be made into movies.

If I based my entertainment choices on the personalities and politics of the entertainers, I would never get to see ANYTHING.

The nerd rage over this movie is going to be epic.

karmaceutical: The nerd political rage over this movie is going to be epic.

FTFY.

OSC is polarizing as hell. See above.

Freudian_slipknot: Breslin is 15. Valentine, at the start of the book, is EIGHT. Just how much do they think they can push the ages of these kids and still have it work?

Since they are both playing extremely intelligent kids, all it will take is a little CGI at the beginning.

towatchoverme: Tax Boy: Me and my sister are going to take over the world!!

How, you may ask?

By trolling Fark's politics thread.


Considering it was written in 1985 ... well before Fark was a gleam in a gonadally gifted squirrel's eye ... i'd say he was rather prescient about technology, and a little overly optimistic about people's capacity for rational discourse.

Or he had a compuserve account.

natazha: Freudian_slipknot: Breslin is 15. Valentine, at the start of the book, is EIGHT. Just how much do they think they can push the ages of these kids and still have it work?

Since they are both playing extremely intelligent kids, all it will take is a little CGI at the beginning.

The amount of CGI it would take to make the 14 year old cast as Ender look like a six year old at the beginning and a 10 year old by the end.... they might as well let Pixar animate the whole thing.

Freudian_slipknot: The amount of CGI it would take to make the 14 year old cast as Ender look like a six year old at the beginning and a 10 year old by the end.... they might as well let Pixar animate the whole thing.

That would be AWESOME!!!

GAT_00: SphericalTime: Racham Mazer, or whatever his name is? Or the commandant?

He's playing Graff.

The problem is that this movie can't possibly be good. If I'm watching Ender's Game, I want to see a naked 10 year old murder another kid.

Given that the major theme the book explores is the fuzziness of the line between murder and legitimate defense (or, more broadly, the sometimes lack of distinction between a just and unjust war) it'd be rather odd for them to leave that bit out. My bet is the shower scene stays in, but the ages are bumped up into at least "Game of Thrones" brackets.

I just read Ender's Game a little while ago. The movie will undoubtedly be vastly different from the book, but it could still be good. Probably won't be, but there's a chance. Haven't read any of the sequels though, are they worth reading?

Tax Boy:

/stupid overrated book was stupid and overrated.

This. I read the book a year ago thinking I had missed something. I guessed how it would turn out well ahead of time, and the only thing that really sticks with me now is chapter after chapter of him at the academy dueling the other teams. That book could have been halved and it still would have been too long. This was also before I knew about Card what a piece of shiat he is.

I like the Ender books, but the ending of Game was really dissatisfying. That the big thing? Really? And that's why you needed a child? Because you couldn't do that very obvious thing that you really just did?

The things leading up to the end were gripping, but the end, itself, was a disappointment.

Someothermonkey: I just read Ender's Game a little while ago. The movie will undoubtedly be vastly different from the book, but it could still be good. Probably won't be, but there's a chance. Haven't read any of the sequels though, are they worth reading?

The movie will probably turn out like "The Watchmen" movie. All in all it was really good....but there is no squid at the end.

Some sequels were okay. I actually liked "Enders Shadow" the best.

BroVinny: Freudian_slipknot: The amount of CGI it would take to make the 14 year old cast as Ender look like a six year old at the beginning and a 10 year old by the end.... they might as well let Pixar animate the whole thing.

That would be AWESOME!!!

That's a great idea. Actually, that's the only way the movie could possibly work.

bdub77: Ender's Game is an apology for genocide aimed at young adults

You do realize that it turned out the xenocide was not needed at all and that the main character suffered a serious amount of grief and torment that is carried over to the next book series. I am not sure how that is apologizing for genocide

From what I read, OSC only turned his battle school short story into Ender's Game so that he could write speaker for the dead

towatchoverme: karmaceutical: The nerd political rage over this movie is going to be epic.

FTFY.

OSC is polarizing as hell. See above.

Polarizing... for nerds, yes.