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(Torrent Freak)   RIAA: We're not pirating movies, it was some other guys. Given the open and sometimes transitive nature of the Internet you can see how there might be confusion as to the true culprit. Well, back to the mass suing   (torrentfreak.com) divider line 108
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2011-12-21 01:34:43 PM
Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
 
2011-12-21 01:40:28 PM

Walker: Isn't it ironic, don't you think?


You gonna get sued for reposting Alanis lyrics.
 
2011-12-21 01:43:22 PM
I'm surprised that the RIAA didn't blame it all on "Not Me".

profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2011-12-21 01:44:50 PM
FTA: Secondly, while we are prepared to believe that RIAA staff didn't download these files, we are left wondering what mysterious third party did.

I'm not prepared to believe or wonder any such thing. Why should they get the benefit of the doubt?
 
2011-12-21 01:45:59 PM
What? You mean the RIAA are lying hypocritical douchebags?

theassemblyarea.com
 
2011-12-21 01:46:02 PM
Sure it was. It was Elvis from the invisible UFO sitting on the Grassy Knoll with a candlestick
 
2011-12-21 01:50:26 PM

Orelious: FTA: Secondly, while we are prepared to believe that RIAA staff didn't download these files, we are left wondering what mysterious third party did.

I'm not prepared to believe or wonder any such thing. Why should they get the benefit of the doubt?


As long as they allow that defense to come in to testimony on all their lawsuits.

"Your honor, someone hacked into my private wireless network and downloaded all those crappy movies"

If they disregard that defense, then yeah, they are hypocrites.
 
2011-12-21 01:52:53 PM
While generally I find it scary how much harder it is quietly becoming to stay anonymous online (the tools to ID people are more profitable than the tools to hide people, I suppose), in this case it's kind of awesome.
 
2011-12-21 01:53:57 PM
Is there a way to check if they violated any porn's copyright?

In an office that big, I guarantee you somebody's been downloading porn at work, and being minimally knowledgeable about the internet, I seriously doubt they paid for it.
 
2011-12-21 01:56:14 PM
Lol. If I ever get sued by them I'll use the same excuse and cite their own lawfirm.

"It was actually a 3rd party"
"We have your IP we know it was you"
"According to your own documentation, an IP address can be used by an entirely different person then who paid for it, and the person who paid isn't responsible. Do you have a name?"
"A what?"
"a name. You know, of the person who stole things."
"WE DON'T NEED A NAME! WE HAVE AN IP"
"But an IP address can be used by anyone and the buyer isn't responsible. you said so yourself."
"FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"
 
2011-12-21 02:06:52 PM

fluffy2097: Lol. If I ever get sued by them I'll use the same excuse and cite their own lawfirm.

"It was actually a 3rd party"
"We have your IP we know it was you"
"According to your own documentation, an IP address can be used by an entirely different person then who paid for it, and the person who paid isn't responsible. Do you have a name?"
"A what?"
"a name. You know, of the person who stole things."
"WE DON'T NEED A NAME! WE HAVE AN IP"
"But an IP address can be used by anyone and the buyer isn't responsible. you said so yourself."
"FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"


Please. Everyone knows it's different laws for them than us.
 
2011-12-21 02:08:54 PM
Thing is my old company had similar. You get an IP in the normal range of the company's IPs. For all intents and purposes, your traffic is coming through the main company's IP range, etc..

But you're not at the company or employed by the company. At most you're contracted to them or actually leasing space/services from them.

Is it funny that RIAA IPs were caught doing this? Yes.

But is this the nerd jerk-off "omg what liars LOL internet not work that way" we should be slap happy for? Nah...

All I know is some third-party is having their contract torn up for this.
 
2011-12-21 02:10:49 PM

Pichu0102: Please. Everyone knows it's different laws for them than us.


Eventually after long enough the judge will hold SOMEONE in contempt for such bullshiat.

I suspect it will be the RIAA lawers not me, as I will be cool and collected while trolling the ever living hell out of the RIAA lawyers.

"Motion to dismiss your honor. The Prosecution says with it's own words in prior arguments that they cannot know if it was me, and therefore I cannot be held responsible."
 
2011-12-21 02:11:12 PM
I'm here to remind you of the mess you made when you went away...
 
2011-12-21 02:11:39 PM
Also... Sony actively is on torrents all the time. Mooch a PS3 torrent, expect a letter from your ISP.

Companies have stations where they just click on any torrent with their Intellectual Property in order to harvest IPs of people who are actually mooching it.

In this case, the company would show up in that website's database as "having downloaded" the file...

Technically they did.... but not for the same purpose Johnny McFullSeason Of My Show Raping the Bandwidth did

That's what I thought the initial RIAA findings were. Just them monitoring a variety of torrents to harvest IP addresses.

/usenet kicks its ass anyway
 
2011-12-21 02:11:48 PM

Smiths: Thing is my old company had similar. You get an IP in the normal range of the company's IPs. For all intents and purposes, your traffic is coming through the main company's IP range, etc..

But you're not at the company or employed by the company. At most you're contracted to them or actually leasing space/services from them.

Is it funny that RIAA IPs were caught doing this? Yes.

But is this the nerd jerk-off "omg what liars LOL internet not work that way" we should be slap happy for? Nah...

All I know is some third-party is having their contract torn up for this.


Or seeing as the RIAA are staunch defenders of all copyrighted material, and since they have definitive proof that it was a third party whom they contracted their IPs to, then they should be drafting hefty lawsuits on those people/companies, right?
 
2011-12-21 02:13:45 PM

Smiths: Thing is my old company had similar. You get an IP in the normal range of the company's IPs. For all intents and purposes, your traffic is coming through the main company's IP range, etc..

But you're not at the company or employed by the company. At most you're contracted to them or actually leasing space/services from them.

Is it funny that RIAA IPs were caught doing this? Yes.

But is this the nerd jerk-off "omg what liars LOL internet not work that way" we should be slap happy for? Nah...

All I know is some third-party is having their contract torn up for this.


The RIAA has always argued that the owner of the IP is responsible for any infringement coming from it. By their own arguments, the RIAA is responsible for pirating these works, even if the IP was assigned via DHCP to an external contractor they hired.

It's the RIAA's IP, It's their fault.
 
2011-12-21 02:15:14 PM

Walker: Isn't it ironic, don't you think?


It's not ironic at all. It is just insanely hypocritical
 
2011-12-21 02:16:14 PM

FinFangFark: Or seeing as the RIAA are staunch defenders of all copyrighted material, and since they have definitive proof that it was a third party whom they contracted their IPs to, then they should be drafting hefty lawsuits on those people/companies, right?


Yep. Not absolving them of guilt, but you're doing the "you hired a racist therefore your company is racist" argument.

fluffy2097: It's the RIAA's IP, It's their fault.


Again... the "you hired a communist sympathizing nazi with five testicles, therefore your whole company is a bunch of communist sympathizing nazis with five testicles"

RIAA should track the person who did this and do the same to him that they do to others, no doubt.
But don't go "LOL HA HA RIAA IS PIRATEZ TOO"
 
2011-12-21 02:17:25 PM

Smiths: In this case, the company would show up in that website's database as "having downloaded" the file...

Technically they did.... but not for the same purpose Johnny McFullSeason Of My Show Raping the Bandwidth did


Does not matter. None of the arguments the RIAA has ever made has ever hinged on actually downloading the media itself.

Is IP X Connected to torrent tracker Y? That's all they look for. If IP X is connected to tracker Y, they call your ISP, get your personal info and sue you.
 
2011-12-21 02:20:45 PM

Smiths: FinFangFark: Or seeing as the RIAA are staunch defenders of all copyrighted material, and since they have definitive proof that it was a third party whom they contracted their IPs to, then they should be drafting hefty lawsuits on those people/companies, right?

Yep. Not absolving them of guilt, but you're doing the "you hired a racist therefore your company is racist" argument.

fluffy2097: It's the RIAA's IP, It's their fault.

Again... the "you hired a communist sympathizing nazi with five testicles, therefore your whole company is a bunch of communist sympathizing nazis with five testicles"

RIAA should track the person who did this and do the same to him that they do to others, no doubt.
But don't go "LOL HA HA RIAA IS PIRATEZ TOO"


Naw Smiths, I'm not going all butthappy over that. It is quite possible that it is a 3rd party involved in the whole deal, but yeah, they need to be consistent in how they handle this matter.

In their attempt to look after their own piles of cash while vaguely using the illusion of the artists, they've set up some pretty hefty standards. Now that information is becoming less and less private on the internet, many of those standards are gonna come back and bit them in the arse. This is the 1st one.

We are making jokes about it, but a defendant's counsel will use this situation and how the RIAA handles it, as a defense tool.
 
2011-12-21 02:20:58 PM

Smiths: FinFangFark: Or seeing as the RIAA are staunch defenders of all copyrighted material, and since they have definitive proof that it was a third party whom they contracted their IPs to, then they should be drafting hefty lawsuits on those people/companies, right?

Yep. Not absolving them of guilt, but you're doing the "you hired a racist therefore your company is racist" argument.

fluffy2097: It's the RIAA's IP, It's their fault.

Again... the "you hired a communist sympathizing nazi with five testicles, therefore your whole company is a bunch of communist sympathizing nazis with five testicles"

RIAA should track the person who did this and do the same to him that they do to others, no doubt.
But don't go "LOL HA HA RIAA IS PIRATEZ TOO"


You're retarded. You know that?

The point is that "You hired a bad person therefor your whole company is bad" Is the exact MO of the RIAA. "Your address infringed content. Therefore, you infringed content. Doesn't matter if you have roomates, doesn't matter if your Wifi is open. Doesn't matter if it's a public farking terminal in a library. The owner of the address is the infringer.

That's what makes using it against them so sweet. You can use their own lawyers arguments to back up your own case.
 
2011-12-21 02:22:01 PM

fluffy2097: The RIAA has always argued that the owner of the IP is responsible for any infringement coming from it. By their own arguments, the RIAA is responsible for pirating these works, even if the IP was assigned via DHCP to an external contractor they hired.


This, but unless rights holders sue, meh.

/still would love to see some party sue and use the RIAA's own past strategies and position against them
 
2011-12-21 02:24:05 PM

fluffy2097: Smiths: FinFangFark: Or seeing as the RIAA are staunch defenders of all copyrighted material, and since they have definitive proof that it was a third party whom they contracted their IPs to, then they should be drafting hefty lawsuits on those people/companies, right?

Yep. Not absolving them of guilt, but you're doing the "you hired a racist therefore your company is racist" argument.

fluffy2097: It's the RIAA's IP, It's their fault.

Again... the "you hired a communist sympathizing nazi with five testicles, therefore your whole company is a bunch of communist sympathizing nazis with five testicles"

RIAA should track the person who did this and do the same to him that they do to others, no doubt.
But don't go "LOL HA HA RIAA IS PIRATEZ TOO"

You're retarded. You know that?

The point is that "You hired a bad person therefor your whole company is bad" Is the exact MO of the RIAA. "Your address infringed content. Therefore, you infringed content. Doesn't matter if you have roomates, doesn't matter if your Wifi is open. Doesn't matter if it's a public farking terminal in a library. The owner of the address is the infringer.

That's what makes using it against them so sweet. You can use their own lawyers arguments to back up your own case.


how many torrents do you have going right now?
 
2011-12-21 02:26:50 PM

FinFangFark: Naw Smiths, I'm not going all butthappy over that. It is quite possible that it is a 3rd party involved in the whole deal, but yeah, they need to be consistent in how they handle this matter.


Yep. They gotta track this person down and make the example for the right form of PR to spin with this.

Because they really are making it an open argument for those they are currently suing to use against them.

If they don't pursue this person responsible, then they are simply opening up entire legal defenses any good defense lawyer will jump on. Appeals will roll in for those who were sued, and internet torrent users will happily go back to killing the network for everyone else.
 
2011-12-21 02:27:07 PM

Smiths: fluffy2097: Smiths: FinFangFark: Or seeing as the RIAA are staunch defenders of all copyrighted material, and since they have definitive proof that it was a third party whom they contracted their IPs to, then they should be drafting hefty lawsuits on those people/companies, right?

Yep. Not absolving them of guilt, but you're doing the "you hired a racist therefore your company is racist" argument.

fluffy2097: It's the RIAA's IP, It's their fault.

Again... the "you hired a communist sympathizing nazi with five testicles, therefore your whole company is a bunch of communist sympathizing nazis with five testicles"

RIAA should track the person who did this and do the same to him that they do to others, no doubt.
But don't go "LOL HA HA RIAA IS PIRATEZ TOO"

You're retarded. You know that?

The point is that "You hired a bad person therefor your whole company is bad" Is the exact MO of the RIAA. "Your address infringed content. Therefore, you infringed content. Doesn't matter if you have roomates, doesn't matter if your Wifi is open. Doesn't matter if it's a public farking terminal in a library. The owner of the address is the infringer.

That's what makes using it against them so sweet. You can use their own lawyers arguments to back up your own case.

how many torrents do you have going right now?


I'm sorry. I don't have pirated content on my computer. It's all legit. I'll even give up my IP address to the whole internets to prove it. 192.168.1.3. Go look it up. you won't see any copyrighted materials. :)
 
2011-12-21 02:28:43 PM

Smiths: and internet torrent users will happily go back to killing the network for everyone else.


Someone doesn't know what QoS is, do they? :D
 
2011-12-21 02:38:26 PM

fluffy2097: Smiths: and internet torrent users will happily go back to killing the network for everyone else.

Someone doesn't know what QoS is, do they? :D


Actually I do. But unless you're the one controlling the QoS your argument of "i know tech" is moot.

But go ahead, be happy the RIAA was caught in something they can explain away and should pursue if you feel at some point your activities will be subject to their wrath.

Real people use usenet anyway with SSL.
 
2011-12-21 02:41:09 PM

Smiths: Real people use usenet anyway with SSL.


Real people like you?

Nice admission of guilt.
 
2011-12-21 02:42:10 PM
y'all be feeding the troll
 
2011-12-21 02:45:27 PM
fluffy2097:

I'm sorry. I don't have pirated content on my computer. It's all legit. I'll even give up my IP address to the whole internets to prove it. 192.168.1.3. Go look it up. you won't see any copyrighted materials. :)

I'll even give up my IP address to the whole internets to prove it. 192.168.1.3.

... 192.168.1.3.

playstationeu.i.lithium.com
 
2011-12-21 02:48:48 PM

fluffy2097: Pichu0102: Please. Everyone knows it's different laws for them than us.

Eventually after long enough the judge will hold SOMEONE in contempt for such bullshiat.

I suspect it will be the RIAA lawers not me, as I will be cool and collected while trolling the ever living hell out of the RIAA lawyers.

"Motion to dismiss your honor. The Prosecution says with it's own words in prior arguments that they cannot know if it was me, and therefore I cannot be held responsible."


A logical defense could have trounced the RIAA quite a while ago. The point of the lawsuits is to force a settlement through the costs associated with fighting them, not the actual reasons behind the lawsuit. They will obfuscate and delay and drive up your costs; the actual court proceedings themselves are more or less irrelevant. That's why they usually just drop the case when they try suing someone and later find out that said person actually has money for a prolonged lawsuit or is a lawyer.
 
2011-12-21 02:50:45 PM

fluffy2097: I'm sorry. I don't have pirated content on my computer. It's all legit. I'll even give up my IP address to the whole internets to prove it. 192.168.1.3. Go look it up. you won't see any copyrighted materials. :)


I wonder how many times some lawyer or "investigator" comes running out of their office while shouting "I've caught a big one!" before being told that they can't sue the owner of the 127.0.0.1 address.
 
2011-12-21 02:51:04 PM

fluffy2097: Smiths: Real people use usenet anyway with SSL.

Real people like you?

Nice admission of guilt.


your vehement defense of piraters and attacks on the RIAA does not seem to put you in the "I only browse facebook" category of my "i bought photoshop" camp.

SSL usenet = "prove it"
Torrent = "oh yeah... that"

and i'm not trolling. I agree RIAA should go after whoever this is or it sets a great precedent for appeals and future lawsuits.
But goddamn I love the "vilified pirate" mentality. HA HA TAKE THAT FOR PROTECTING YOUR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, YOU SCUM!

of course their claims of what that IP is worth is ridiculous on all levels. Still within their rights to defend it. and downloading their own torrents in order to harvest IPs of people downloading them is the easiest way to catch people. Fish in a barrel, and if a good percentage of them are actually the leechers (and not the 'public wifi/hacked internet/proxy blah blah' defense users), they've got their legal papers ready.

Farker a little whil ago hooked a bunch of us up with awesome legal paper he used to get an ISP notification quashed. Excellent document he even tagged with "put your copy of the e-mail here" and other guides.
 
2011-12-21 02:52:00 PM

tomcatadam: fluffy2097: I'm sorry. I don't have pirated content on my computer. It's all legit. I'll even give up my IP address to the whole internets to prove it. 192.168.1.3. Go look it up. you won't see any copyrighted materials. :)

I wonder how many times some lawyer or "investigator" comes running out of their office while shouting "I've caught a big one!" before being told that they can't sue the owner of the 127.0.0.1 address.


we used to have a manager who would start screaming that "bin bash" was causing the problems with the software.

it's the first line! find bin bash! it's messing this up
 
2011-12-21 02:54:22 PM

Smiths: your vehement defense of piraters and attacks on the RIAA does not seem to put you in the "I only browse facebook" category of my "i bought photoshop" camp.


I have a fetish for Schadenfreude.
 
2011-12-21 02:55:40 PM
laughing yao ming is funny
 
2011-12-21 02:58:48 PM
I hate the RIAA tactics as much as anyone, but...

How is it wrong or illegal for them to download from BitTorrent or whatever? Couldn't they have the explicit permission to do so in order to try to find illegal uploaders?

I mean... I had a one-man band in high school/college. I still have all my music as mp3's. Could I get in trouble conceptually for placing them into the torrent-verse?

Since I'm no longer doing any new music... I did place them all for free on my site.
 
2011-12-21 02:58:55 PM

Galbalin: fluffy2097:

I'm sorry. I don't have pirated content on my computer. It's all legit. I'll even give up my IP address to the whole internets to prove it. 192.168.1.3. Go look it up. you won't see any copyrighted materials. :)

I'll even give up my IP address to the whole internets to prove it. 192.168.1.3.

... 192.168.1.3.

[playstationeu.i.lithium.com image 270x214]


I'm at 10.5.1.27. Have your back, man!
 
2011-12-21 02:59:05 PM
So a third party huh? Well I did mail that usb stick to the copyright maffia and the dumbass plugged it in, so I now have a nice encrypted proxy to download the Internet.

i.imgur.com
 
2011-12-21 03:02:18 PM

fluffy2097: Pichu0102: Please. Everyone knows it's different laws for them than us.

Eventually after long enough the judge will hold SOMEONE in contempt for such bullshiat.


This is adorable but you really should start paying better attention to what is happening in the world around you.
 
2011-12-21 03:04:36 PM

downstairs: How is it wrong or illegal for them to download from BitTorrent or whatever? Couldn't they have the explicit permission to do so in order to try to find illegal uploaders?

Because DMCA.


I mean... I had a one-man band in high school/college. I still have all my music as mp3's. Could I get in trouble conceptually for placing them into the torrent-verse?


They have filed takedown requests for things they did now own before. So... signs point to "possibly"
 
2011-12-21 03:05:27 PM

Smiths: FinFangFark: Or seeing as the RIAA are staunch defenders of all copyrighted material, and since they have definitive proof that it was a third party whom they contracted their IPs to, then they should be drafting hefty lawsuits on those people/companies, right?

Yep. Not absolving them of guilt, but you're doing the "you hired a racist therefore your company is racist" argument.

fluffy2097: It's the RIAA's IP, It's their fault.

Again... the "you hired a communist sympathizing nazi with five testicles, therefore your whole company is a bunch of communist sympathizing nazis with five testicles"

RIAA should track the person who did this and do the same to him that they do to others, no doubt.
But don't go "LOL HA HA RIAA IS PIRATEZ TOO"


Business are people, too. Or did you forget that so soon?
 
2011-12-21 03:06:52 PM

downstairs: I hate the RIAA tactics as much as anyone, but...

How is it wrong or illegal for them to download from BitTorrent or whatever? Couldn't they have the explicit permission to do so in order to try to find illegal uploaders?

I mean... I had a one-man band in high school/college. I still have all my music as mp3's. Could I get in trouble conceptually for placing them into the torrent-verse?

Since I'm no longer doing any new music... I did place them all for free on my site.


shut up troll
 
2011-12-21 03:07:40 PM

Smiths: shut up troll


Hey look! It's talking to itself!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-12-21 03:10:04 PM
FinFangFark

It's up to the judge to let "it wasn't me" testimony in. Straightforward denials of liability are clearly admissible; in fact the plaintiff will ask the defendant to admit or deny doing the copying. "It must have been ___" I'm less sure about. Such testimony has made it into several cases. At least one was dropped because the defendant was convincing. One case went to trial because the defendant was not convincing. Thomas testified that Not Me did it. RIAA responded by proving she committed perjury.
 
2011-12-21 03:20:07 PM

fluffy2097: I'm sorry. I don't have pirated content on my computer. It's all legit. I'll even give up my IP address to the whole internets to prove it. 192.168.1.3. Go look it up. you won't see any copyrighted materials. :)


*Facepalm*
 
2011-12-21 03:20:24 PM

Smiths: downstairs: I hate the RIAA tactics as much as anyone, but...

How is it wrong or illegal for them to download from BitTorrent or whatever? Couldn't they have the explicit permission to do so in order to try to find illegal uploaders?

I mean... I had a one-man band in high school/college. I still have all my music as mp3's. Could I get in trouble conceptually for placing them into the torrent-verse?

Since I'm no longer doing any new music... I did place them all for free on my site.

shut up troll


Wow, Ok. It was a serious hypothetical, that's all. Can't see how that (posed essentially as a question) would come of trollish.

I mean, Radiohead allowed users to download an album for free. Artists give free samples all the time.

Would it be illegal for Radiohead to say "This album is free... feel free to share it, torrent it, whatever you want. Its all yours."
 
2011-12-21 03:21:07 PM
Also, similar to bootlegging. Its illegal. Except for artists like Pearl Jam who encourage it and encourage trading.
 
2011-12-21 03:21:18 PM
Im suprised that they didnt blame the jews.
 
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