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(New York Magazine)   Candy store Sugar & Plumm Purveyors of Yumm learns the hard way the Upper West Side doesn't like cute store names, bright layouts, or fun. "The whole thing needs toned down. The coolest places in New York have no signs"   (nymag.com) divider line 161
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2011-12-21 11:47:55 AM
All the coolest places in New York used to have no signs at all, shame no one could find them.
 
2011-12-21 11:53:17 AM
Can't we let the bourgeois hipsters have just one place to call their own? Is that really too much to ask, America?
 
2011-12-21 12:03:56 PM
If it's not fitting in with the neighborhood they should modify it.
 
2011-12-21 12:17:51 PM
I liked it when David Sedaris commented that people moved to New York to get away from America, but then America moved there too.

Or something like that. It was about a bad houseguest from Greensboro.
 
2011-12-21 12:25:09 PM
Believe me ... 10 years ago that neighborhood Sugar & Plumm Purveyors of Cum nudie booth shoppes
 
2011-12-21 12:26:34 PM
"It's not obscure. Everybody knows about it."
 
2011-12-21 12:28:19 PM
Bottom line is the bottom line - the five storefronts this candy place is replacing have been sitting empty for quite some time, according to TFA and another article linked from there.

Comments to those articles have someone pointing out another issue, the idea that somehow this will make the block too "suburban." Problem is, already that part of the city is full of chain stores that are in malls - Starbucks, Gap, Bed Bath and Beyond, etc.

I don't know NYC, but the same thing happens in Chicago. All along the "Magnificent Mile" these days it's just larger fancier version of the same stores you see in the malls, and current American branding being what it is, yes, those storefronts are going to have the same branding they use in the malls.

Meaning, okay, I kinda get the complaint, but it's way bigger than just this one candy store moving into this one block with a garish sign.

People apparently like to shop in the chains, though.
 
2011-12-21 12:37:20 PM

AbbeySomeone: If it's not fitting in with the neighborhood they should modify it.


Yes - because freedom means conformity, comrade.
 
2011-12-21 12:40:28 PM
Frasier: I've got it, Niles, I've got it! Le Freres Heureux.
Niles: "The Happy Brothers"... Brilliant! It's homey, but just hard enough to pronounce to intimidate the riff-raff!
Frasier: Yes! We'll make the place very, very exclusive! No sign on the outside, no advertisements and oh, an unlisted number!
Martin: Hey, well don't stop there! Maybe you could post some guards on the roof who can shoot people as they try to get in.
Frasier: Never mind him. I believe, Niles. Do you believe?
Niles: I believe
 
2011-12-21 12:40:38 PM
Times Square called, says you're an asshole
 
2011-12-21 12:42:45 PM
My card sir....

Detroit Slimm: Purveyor of Quim

Oh yeah, pimpin' just got a whoooooole lot easier.
 
2011-12-21 12:48:02 PM

Rapmaster2000: I liked it when David Sedaris commented that people moved to New York to get away from America, but then America moved there too.

Or something like that. It was about a bad houseguest from Greensboro.


I remember that story.
He is hilarious.
 
2011-12-21 01:00:22 PM
The whole thing needs toned down.

ARRRRRRRGE

Needs toning down.

/subject-verb agreement, how does it fakring work?
 
2011-12-21 02:10:22 PM
Ugh. I'm glad down here in New Orleans, its the opposite. We encourage bright, wild colors. Our new grocery store:

s3-media1.ak.yelpcdn.com
 
2011-12-21 03:16:42 PM
Do they have soul food?
 
2011-12-21 03:19:00 PM
"tarted up"?

Your mom feels insulted.
 
2011-12-21 03:19:26 PM

downstairs: Ugh. I'm glad down here in New Orleans, its the opposite. We encourage bright, wild colors. Our new grocery store:

[s3-media1.ak.yelpcdn.com image 250x250]


Cool! Which grocery store is that? I love the easter egg colors people paint their houses here, too.
 
2011-12-21 03:20:22 PM
Really? I like the melange of the urine and vomit smell in NYC and the fact that everyone you see on the street is a huge asshole.
 
2011-12-21 03:24:31 PM

Jake Havechek: Really? I like the melange of the urine and vomit smell in NYC and the fact that everyone you see on the street is a huge asshole.

*has

 
2011-12-21 03:25:48 PM
Fark NY
came here to say that.
Buncha whiny biatches
 
2011-12-21 03:26:15 PM

lysdexic: The whole thing needs toned down.

ARRRRRRRGE

Needs toning down.

/subject-verb agreement, how does it fakring work?


Or "needs to be toned down" would work.
That annoyed me too.
Oh well, on to more important things.
 
2011-12-21 03:27:28 PM
To be fair, the "Purveyors of Yumm " part makes it a stupid name.

But tarted up - aren't sour candies in vogue these days?
 
2011-12-21 03:28:31 PM

Lucky LaRue: Can't we let the bourgeois hipsters have just one place to call their own? Is that really too much to ask, America?


hipsters don't live in the upper west side.

its more of an entitled yuppie parent neighborhood than anything else
 
2011-12-21 03:29:48 PM
collider.com
"And the hottest new candy store in town is called Chocolate Taint, the staff are all chocolate covered Rastafarian midgets, its managed by a transexual Willamina Wonka and Lesbians wrestle in a tub of powdered sugar and experiment with enormous candy canes..."
 
2011-12-21 03:30:40 PM
Beffa's in St. Louis is in an unmarked building. I hear they also don't have prices listed. Never been, but I hear it's good.
 
2011-12-21 03:30:43 PM

Lucky LaRue: Can't we let the bourgeois hipsters have just one place to call their own? Is that really too much to ask, America?


Yes, yes it is.
 
2011-12-21 03:31:31 PM

wambu: "tarted up"?

Your mom feels insulted.


A bouncy young damsel, Miss Hart
 
2011-12-21 03:32:34 PM
The Upper West Side is getting so full of itself. It's the next Upper East Side.
 
2011-12-21 03:33:07 PM

itazurakko: I don't know NYC, but the same thing happens in Chicago. All along the "Magnificent Mile" these days it's just larger fancier version of the same stores you see in the malls, and current American branding being what it is, yes, those storefronts are going to have the same branding they use in the malls.


It's been happening more, but there are still a lot of non-mall/chain stores. You'll find a lot of good stuff that's unique to here, especially downtown around the (East/West/nondirectional) Village. The whole idea of the best places not having a sign is a but much though.

Not that I mind the existence of the mall stores. But it's nice to have a mix.
 
2011-12-21 03:34:06 PM
The store is too tarded up. Case closed.
 
2011-12-21 03:34:26 PM
oldfarthenry: "Yes - because freedom means conformity, comrade."

What a curious argument. On the surface you're deriding conformity, yet you're doing so in opposition to a local law that exists to protect the place from succumbing to the designs that define American suburban homogenization.

Surely the people of New York should have the freedom to vote for and support a thing like the Landmarks Preservation Law, and thus the Landmarks Preservation Commission. And surely the candy shop can take its ball and go home if they don't like it.
 
2011-12-21 03:34:27 PM
always been more of a philly guy myself.

/RBNY and the bombers are of course exceptions. phillies suck.
//south jersey!!
 
2011-12-21 03:35:11 PM
Seems to me that if the neighborhood had an opinion about what store should open in that space, then they should have bought the space themselves.
 
2011-12-21 03:36:04 PM

itazurakko: Bottom line is the bottom line - the five storefronts this candy place is replacing have been sitting empty for quite some time, according to TFA and another article linked from there.

Comments to those articles have someone pointing out another issue, the idea that somehow this will make the block too "suburban." Problem is, already that part of the city is full of chain stores that are in malls - Starbucks, Gap, Bed Bath and Beyond, etc.

I don't know NYC, but the same thing happens in Chicago. All along the "Magnificent Mile" these days it's just larger fancier version of the same stores you see in the malls, and current American branding being what it is, yes, those storefronts are going to have the same branding they use in the malls.

Meaning, okay, I kinda get the complaint, but it's way bigger than just this one candy store moving into this one block with a garish sign.

People apparently like to shop in the chains, though.


Five storefronts for a candy shop? Can they really turn that much sugar around to keep up on the rent?
 
2011-12-21 03:36:54 PM
New Yorkers found it too gay?
 
2011-12-21 03:39:20 PM
Apparently in the Schatsky household, the phrase "kid in a candy store" connotes not simple joy, but rather the deployment of a finely honed eye for minimalist design.

Awesome.
 
2011-12-21 03:40:00 PM

rocinante721: Believe me ... 10 years ago that neighborhood Sugar & Plumm Purveyors of Cum nudie booth shoppes


Nonsense.
 
2011-12-21 03:40:46 PM
I only go to stores that don't have signs or other clientele.
 
2011-12-21 03:43:11 PM
i1046.photobucket.com

"We saw that this place had no sign and thought it looked cool."
 
2011-12-21 03:44:22 PM
It sounds like the "cool" douchebags without signs are jealous.
 
2011-12-21 03:45:32 PM
The 14-year -old kid "deciding" what goes and stays in a neighborhood? Yeah, fugg that. No candy for you!
 
2011-12-21 03:47:56 PM
Ugh. Minimalists.
 
2011-12-21 03:48:46 PM
Article fails without photo of storefront. How am I supposed to be offended by colors when I can't see them?!
 
2011-12-21 03:48:47 PM

Old-sour-pickle-chips: lysdexic: The whole thing needs toned down.

ARRRRRRRGE

Needs toning down.

/subject-verb agreement, how does it fakring work?

Or "needs to be toned down" would work.
That annoyed me too.
Oh well, on to more important things.


Can you understand what is being said. Yes? Then STFU.
 
2011-12-21 03:50:14 PM

MoronLessOff: Beffa's in St. Louis is in an unmarked building. I hear they also don't have prices listed. Never been, but I hear it's good.


Your link has a menu, that has prices.

However, it does look good, and as a sandwich shop / bar I foresee it making both my toddler and husband happy the next time we're up at the zoo.
 
2011-12-21 03:50:16 PM
heatherensley.files.wordpress.com
Pfft.
 
2011-12-21 03:50:28 PM

MoronLessOff: Beffa's in St. Louis is in an unmarked building. I hear they also don't have prices listed. Never been, but I hear it's good.


Is that the little bar next to the FIrebird? Was just looking at street view and it shows that building.
 
2011-12-21 03:50:47 PM
Over 50 years old and still one of the best works on what makes cities and neighborhoods work:

One major point in the work was that in the long run the least successful neighborhoods are those that enforce conformity in appearance and useage.

The most successful neighborhoods according to Ms. Jacobs (in property value though other criteria are discussed) in general are those that are more diverse in appearance and activity.

And, Hey!, let's start a neighborhood association argument! I've owned/lived in everything from cookie cutter starter home neighborhoods to those where the average home price is in the top 10% of the region. One thing I've noticed over the years is that the more expensive and established a neighborhood the fewer the deed restrictions. Where I live now I am literally surrounded by doctors and lawyers. The deed restrictions? 1) Keep at least 3 oak trees on the property. 2) Minimum square footage. There was a huge effort to add a third item - Mow the lawn - but not everyone signed on. Compare that to my first house in a low end starter home development which had about a 100 item checklist and approval required for _anything_ up to and including landscaping timbers around the flowerbeds.

Whenever I see arguments like those mentioned in the article in my mind it is a sign that you are lower class. Not a sign that you are trying to keep things classy.
 
2011-12-21 03:50:52 PM
www.sugarandplummblog.com

OK, the red carpet and the Willy Wonka doorman might be a bit much.
 
2011-12-21 03:52:07 PM
Let's try that link again: Link (new window)
 
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