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2011-12-21 10:56:21 AM
From the WSJ op-ed in question:

House Republicans yesterday voted down the Senate's two-month extension of the two-percentage-point payroll tax holiday to 4.2% from 6.2%. They say the short extension makes no economic sense, but then neither does a one-year extension. No employer is going to hire a worker based on such a small and temporary decrease in employment costs, as this year's tax holiday has demonstrated.


Back the fuq up! Is the WSJ saying that tax cuts don't work?
 
2011-12-21 11:08:57 AM
FTFA: We already told you yesterday about a handful of vulnerable Senate GOPers who are loudly telling their House colleagues to get with the program. Expect those numbers to increase as the standoff continues - with Democrats grinning the whole way.

There's probably only really one Republican incumbent in any serious danger of losing re-election -- Scott Brown.
 
2011-12-21 11:13:46 AM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Back the fuq up! Is the WSJ saying that tax cuts don't work?

Pretty much. None of the targeted plans that came out of the last two Congresses really worked. The rebate in 2008. Making Work Pay in 2009. Payroll tax holiday in 2010. None were as effective as expected.

But it's not like you'll see many politicians running on raising everybody's taxes. My Representative is, but he'll only be out of Congress when he dies or retires, whichever comes first.
 
2011-12-21 11:21:16 AM
It was a mild scolding basically saying (admitting) that:

1) The Republican position is grandstanding.
2) The tactics that the current congress is using are full of fail.
3) The Republicans need to reverse this course in order to really fark things up later.
 
2011-12-21 11:30:38 AM
Someone's going to get a spanking from Rupert.
 
2011-12-21 11:31:36 AM
I like how the WSJ calls it a "temporary" "payroll tax holiday" "extension" while letting the catastrophic Bush tax cuts expire is "one of the largest tax increases ever". Never mind, I don't like it.
 
2011-12-21 11:35:35 AM
This is going to sound elitist, but...

The modern GOP just isn't that smart. Yes, individual members are intelligent, but the party as a whole is a thick-necked brawler. Men like William Safire and William F. Buckley provided intellectual heft to the party, but now they've given way to the Palins and Bachmanns who distrust intellectualism. Obama seems to have finally figured out that he's not going to win by getting into the gutter with the GOP, so instead he sits on the wall throwing rocks. The rocks don't do much damage, but the GOP gets so enraged they repeatedly charge headfirst into the wall hoping to knock Obama off of it. When that doesn't work, they start brawling with each other because brawling is all they know how to do.
 
2011-12-21 11:51:43 AM
Demetrius: Someone's going to get a spanking from Rupert.

I hope it's not Mitch McConnell because that's a mental image I don't need.

..and now it's too late.
 
2011-12-21 11:57:19 AM
I_Am_Weasel: Demetrius: Someone's going to get a spanking from Rupert.

I hope it's not Mitch McConnell because that's a mental image I don't need.

..and now it's too late.


Somehow bunny ears are involved.
 
2011-12-21 12:12:42 PM
Mentat: This is going to sound elitist, but...

The modern GOP just isn't that smart. Yes, individual members are intelligent, but the party as a whole is a thick-necked brawler. Men like William Safire and William F. Buckley provided intellectual heft to the party, but now they've given way to the Palins and Bachmanns who distrust intellectualism. Obama seems to have finally figured out that he's not going to win by getting into the gutter with the GOP, so instead he sits on the wall throwing rocks. The rocks don't do much damage, but the GOP gets so enraged they repeatedly charge headfirst into the wall hoping to knock Obama off of it. When that doesn't work, they start brawling with each other because brawling is all they know how to do.


First of all don't worry about elitism, you're a mentat for chrisakes.

Secondly, the anti-intellectualism within the Republican party is for showmanship. They know that at least one-half of the populace has an IQ under 100. The arguments that they make are simplistic answers to complex questions. They are easily digested in sound bites and understood by people who don't care about consequences. Many of their actual positions (like this payroll taxcut) really run counter to the lip service.

I don't think they're stupid. I think they are trying to get stupid people to support them.
 
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2011-12-21 12:12:56 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: From the WSJ op-ed in question:

House Republicans yesterday voted down the Senate's two-month extension of the two-percentage-point payroll tax holiday to 4.2% from 6.2%. They say the short extension makes no economic sense, but then neither does a one-year extension. No employer is going to hire a worker based on such a small and temporary decrease in employment costs, as this year's tax holiday has demonstrated.

Back the fuq up! Is the WSJ saying that tax cuts don't work?


It is almost comical how tax cuts are suddenly bad when they are for the middle class.
 
2011-12-21 12:23:15 PM
Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think they're stupid. I think they are trying to get stupid people to support them.

Individually, no. But the intellectual heavyweights aren't running the party right now.
 
2011-12-21 12:26:30 PM
Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think they're stupid

No, the GOP actually IS this stupid, and that's the scary part.
 
2011-12-21 12:27:08 PM
Mentat: Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think they're stupid. I think they are trying to get stupid people to support them.

Individually, no. But the intellectual heavyweights aren't running the party right now.


They aim for shrewdness, street smarts and short-term gain. None of which is any match for long term strategy.
 
2011-12-21 12:32:44 PM
Lumpmoose: I like how the WSJ calls it a "temporary" "payroll tax holiday" "extension" while letting the catastrophic Bush tax cuts expire is "one of the largest tax increases ever". Never mind, I don't like it.

Yeah, this is one of my favorite things about the right these days.
I really loved the time of the Great Healthcare "debate" when the right was screaming that Obama wanted socialized heath care and that was the worst thing in the world. Later in the next or even in the same sentence they would then scream that Obama wanted to make cuts to Medicare and that was simply evil.
 
2011-12-21 01:08:17 PM
95% of Congress needs to go, not just the Republicans.
 
2011-12-21 01:24:06 PM
lordaction: 95% of Congress needs to go, not just the Republicans.

Please name for us the 26.75 Congresscritters that deserve to stay. I mean, if you know 95% of them need to go, you must know the good ones, right?

Unless of course it's just another pointless value statement.
 
2011-12-21 01:50:32 PM
GAT_00: lordaction: 95% of Congress needs to go, not just the Republicans.

Please name for us the 26.75 Congresscritters that deserve to stay. I mean, if you know 95% of them need to go, you must know the good ones, right?

Unless of course it's just another pointless value statement.


GAT-00, is there absolutely no statement you can't find a problem with? With a disapproval rating of 86% I don't think my statement is that controversial. Source: Link (new window)
 
2011-12-21 01:56:01 PM
lordaction: GAT_00: lordaction: 95% of Congress needs to go, not just the Republicans.

Please name for us the 26.75 Congresscritters that deserve to stay. I mean, if you know 95% of them need to go, you must know the good ones, right?

Unless of course it's just another pointless value statement.

GAT-00, is there absolutely no statement you can't find a problem with? With a disapproval rating of 86% I don't think my statement is that controversial. Source: Link (new window)


I'm sorry, it is rather mean to demand specifics, which your comments seem to be notoriously lacking without hammering your for specifics. And no, I don't approve of value statements, and no, an 86% disapproval doesn't come close to translating voting out 95% of Congress. It may translate to voting out around 20% of Congress, which isn't close to the same thing or matching to your comment.

So, another pointless value statement, or specifics? Which ones specifically need to be kept or which one specifically need to go?
 
2011-12-21 02:34:21 PM
lordaction: 95% of Congress needs to go, not just the Republicans.

Gee, that's the most original thought anybody has ever had ever in the history of the world!
 
2011-12-21 02:34:55 PM
Demetrius: I_Am_Weasel: Demetrius: Someone's going to get a spanking from Rupert.

I hope it's not Mitch McConnell because that's a mental image I don't need.

..and now it's too late.

Somehow bunny ears are involved.


And a "Bring Out the Gimp" outfit.
 
2011-12-21 02:35:13 PM
What do you mean there are no jobs? The guy who sits next to me got fired because his pension benefit was approaching its next payment tier and they hired someone else. People are hiring everywhere!
 
2011-12-21 02:36:08 PM

Editorials in OH, CA, WI, CO, NV, WV, PA, OK, NY, WA, MT, OR hit House Rs for risking #40dollars /paycheck for families wh.gov/D6X

- Jesse Lee (@jesseclee44) December 21, 2011


Ya dun goofed, GOP.
 
2011-12-21 02:37:36 PM
lordaction: I don't think my statement is that controversial.

Nope. Just ignorant.

Giving "congress" an approval rating is like telling AC Nielsen that your viewing habits are TV.

We don't vote for congress. We vote for our specific rep and senators.
 
2011-12-21 02:38:36 PM
 
2011-12-21 02:38:46 PM
Boehner can kiss his Speaker of the House job good bye in 2012.

Even if the GOP does keep the House in 2012, I don't think anyone would want this incompetent goof in charge again.
 
2011-12-21 02:39:49 PM
GAT_00: lordaction: 95% of Congress needs to go, not just the Republicans.

Please name for us the 26.75 Congresscritters that deserve to stay. I mean, if you know 95% of them need to go, you must know the good ones, right?

Unless of course it's just another pointless value statement.


Isn't it obvious? All the ones he voted for are fine, it's all those other assholes voting who screwed things up.
 
2011-12-21 02:40:48 PM
Mrtraveler01: Boehner can kiss his Speaker of the House job good bye in 2012.

Even if the GOP does keep the House in 2012, I don't think anyone would want this incompetent goof in charge again.


He'll be retiring to take up a private consulting position with Wonka Candy.
 
2011-12-21 02:41:59 PM
A Dark Evil Omen: There are still people who don't have lordaction on ignore?

No, he's simple and funny, like a mischievous badger.
 
2011-12-21 02:43:36 PM
Rupert "The Dirty Digger" Murdock is just sending a reminder to his minions to obey at all times.
 
2011-12-21 02:43:48 PM
A Dark Evil Omen: Mrtraveler01: Boehner can kiss his Speaker of the House job good bye in 2012.

Even if the GOP does keep the House in 2012, I don't think anyone would want this incompetent goof in charge again.

He'll be retiring to take up a private consulting position with Wonka Candy.


Niiiice.
 
2011-12-21 02:53:18 PM
A Dark Evil Omen: Mrtraveler01: Boehner can kiss his Speaker of the House job good bye in 2012.

Even if the GOP does keep the House in 2012, I don't think anyone would want this incompetent goof in charge again.

He'll be retiring to take up a private consulting position with Wonka Candy.


Don't we know it.

www.lat34.com
 
2011-12-21 02:53:51 PM
From the WSJ Op Ed piece: Their high point was the Paul Ryan budget in the spring that set the terms of debate and forced Mr. Obama to adopt at least the rhetoric of budget reform and spending cuts.

Everyone except Ryan ran screaming from the Ryan plan shortly after it was presented. It was a dead skunk. This is the high point for the House?
 
2011-12-21 02:55:01 PM
Soup4Bonnie: From the WSJ Op Ed piece: Their high point was the Paul Ryan budget in the spring that set the terms of debate and forced Mr. Obama to adopt at least the rhetoric of budget reform and spending cuts.

Everyone except Ryan ran screaming from the Ryan plan shortly after it was presented. It was a dead skunk. This is the high point for the House?


Yeah, I like this. "The Ryan Plan forced everyone to take up the right wing banner... After the Dems laughed at it, said 'you guys want it, go nuts' and the Republicans couldn't change their votes to no fast enough."
 
2011-12-21 02:55:37 PM
Obama just needs to come out for breathing. Republicans will immediately stop, thus future problems solved.

/genius I am
 
2011-12-21 02:57:21 PM
 
2011-12-21 03:03:47 PM
Funny, I am a job creator (just finished interviewing a prospect) and I don't give a shiat if they change the tax rates I need to hire because I have the work to keep two more bodies employed. I hire because I will make money from the work my employees do not because I have some extra money in my ledger from tax cuts.
 
2011-12-21 03:07:01 PM
monoski: Funny, I am a job creator (just finished interviewing a prospect) and I don't give a shiat if they change the tax rates I need to hire because I have the work to keep two more bodies employed. I hire because I will make money from the work my employees do not because I have some extra money in my ledger from tax cuts.

Ssssshhhhhhh...... logic and reason will confuse some people. :)
 
2011-12-21 03:08:37 PM
Republicans have also achieved the small miracle of letting Mr. Obama position himself as an election-year tax cutter, although he's spent most of his Presidency promoting tax increases and he would hit the economy with one of the largest tax increases ever in 2013. This should be impossible.

Don't worry; by the time November rolls around, this debate about the payroll tax holiday will be long forgotten and Obama will be characterized as a typical tax-increasing Democrat monster. The American electorate cares first and foremost about the economy; after that, it's about their pocketbook. The Republican nominee will hammer home the phrases "where are the jobs" and "Democrat tax hikes" again and again and again and again.
 
2011-12-21 03:12:48 PM
The Democrats want to raise taxes on the 1%. The Republicans want to raise taxes on the middle class. So while it is true that both sides are equally bad on tax increases, the simple fact is, the Republicans are worse. At least if you're one of the overwhelming majority of Americans in the 99%.
 
2011-12-21 03:15:57 PM
Mentat: This is going to sound elitist, but...

The modern GOP just isn't that smart. Yes, individual members are intelligent, but the party as a whole is a thick-necked brawler. Men like William Safire and William F. Buckley provided intellectual heft to the party, but now they've given way to the Palins and Bachmanns who distrust intellectualism. Obama seems to have finally figured out that he's not going to win by getting into the gutter with the GOP, so instead he sits on the wall throwing rocks. The rocks don't do much damage, but the GOP gets so enraged they repeatedly charge headfirst into the wall hoping to knock Obama off of it. When that doesn't work, they start brawling with each other because brawling is all they know how to do.


Anti-intellectualism and suck up to the religious nutjobs is why I left the party.
 
2011-12-21 03:19:34 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: From the WSJ op-ed in question:

House Republicans yesterday voted down the Senate's two-month extension of the two-percentage-point payroll tax holiday to 4.2% from 6.2%. They say the short extension makes no economic sense, but then neither does a one-year extension. No employer is going to hire a worker based on such a small and temporary decrease in employment costs, as this year's tax holiday has demonstrated.

Back the fuq up! Is the WSJ saying that tax cuts don't work?


No they're saying that tax cuts for the non-wealthy don't work. It's the new Republican goal. It wasn't good enough just getting tax cuts for the wealthy, because some of that money was actually going toward middle and lower class families too.

I think the end goal is to put American families on a level playing field with the Chinese by cutting any social spending for them, and allowing corporations to cut their pay to the point that they have to sleep on the factory floor after their 18 hour shift ends the way their Chinese counterparts do. That would really "grow the pie" (for the aristocrats with all the power in this country), and help produce more [shiatty] jobs.
 
2011-12-21 03:20:15 PM
BSABSVR: lordaction: I don't think my statement is that controversial.

Nope. Just ignorant.

Giving "congress" an approval rating is like telling AC Nielsen that your viewing habits are TV.

We don't vote for congress. We vote for our specific rep and senators.


You are correct. I don't know if there are polls for this, but it would be interesting to see what the approval rating would be if you asked the question thusly: "Do you approve of the job your congressional delegates are performing (i.e. your representative and the senators from your state)?"

Maybe even subdivide between the House and Senate to get more granular, asking about each in turn.
 
2011-12-21 03:25:01 PM
Subtard,

The GOP does not lead the congress.

The lead the House.
 
2011-12-21 03:25:08 PM
monoski: Funny, I am a job creator (just finished interviewing a prospect) and I don't give a shiat if they change the tax rates I need to hire because I have the work to keep two more bodies employed. I hire because I will make money from the work my employees do not because I have some extra money in my ledger from tax cuts.

THIS. No matter how much taxes are cut, "job creators" won't hire a single person if they do not have any reason to do so, no work for them to do.

NPR recently aired a piece (new window) where they were trying to talk to some business owners who would be allegedly affected by the tax increase Dems were proposing before to pay for the payroll tax. They asked around to some anti-tax groups and no one would bring one example of someone affected. Not even a "Joe The Plumber".
 
2011-12-21 03:26:52 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2011-12-21 03:29:02 PM
Temporary tax cuts are bad and should be allowed to expire!

Temporary tax cuts are the only thing saving the United States of America and should be made permanent!

/make up your mind, GOP.
 
2011-12-21 03:29:44 PM
Thune: Subtard,

The GOP does not lead the congress.

The lead the House.


The WSJ Op Ed piece actually blames both the House and Senate Republicans for not having a common strategy.
 
2011-12-21 03:30:05 PM
replace every incumbent with a non party aligned individual.
 
2011-12-21 03:31:36 PM
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I was going to update this one...but there's really no reason to bother.
 
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