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(Boston Herald)   Massachusetts will let you buy lottery tickets with food stamps unless you get one of those downer clerks who insists on enforcing the rules   (bostonherald.com) divider line 71
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2011-12-21 09:47:48 AM
Well come on, I already spent my last $8.99 on smokes.
 
2011-12-21 09:48:33 AM
Went to GameStop to buy a gift and the person in front of me was trying to pay for a Nintendo Wii with her EBT card. Turns out GameStop doesn't take EBT, but the ATM across the street did. She ran over there while I was checking out and came back with cash for her Wii when I was leaving.

/CSB
 
2011-12-21 09:53:46 AM
Cmon subby, you know that when they hit the jackpot the gov't will take most of it back in taxes so it's all good. Until their number hit they can just cut back on their food.
 
2011-12-21 11:16:19 AM
If you win the lottery off a ticket bought with food stamps, shouldn't the winnings belong to the government? I'd make that state farking law.
 
2011-12-21 11:21:28 AM
This will not end well......
 
2011-12-21 11:32:40 AM
That's an interesting way to read that article.

I read it as "Mass becomes the 34th state to allow people to use their debit cards to buy lottery tickets."
 
2011-12-21 11:34:17 AM

stpauler: Went to GameStop to buy a gift and the person in front of me was trying to pay for a Nintendo Wii with her EBT card. Turns out GameStop doesn't take EBT, but the ATM across the street did. She ran over there while I was checking out and came back with cash for her Wii when I was leaving.

/CSB



Disgusting.
 
2011-12-21 11:39:46 AM

The Homer Tax: That's an interesting way to read that article.

I read it as "Mass becomes the 34th state to allow people to use their debit cards to buy lottery tickets.


True, that is what the article is mainly about. It just does mention people could use their electronic welfare cards and that the state is putting rules in place to stop it. Rules probably hinging on an underpaid gas station cashier who doesn't really care to add one more unpaid responsibility to all the other things that fall on his shoulders like liquor and cigarette laws.
Worked at a Walgreen's once, and a family had three food stamp cards. One, I assume, for every adult member of the family. "Hey, this one's out! Get the other one!" and hell, I even wrote a letter to the governor, which was Nikki Haley in SC, hoping if that Republican coont was going to do anything, she might as well stop welfare fraud. Got a letter back saying I needed to blame the Department of Agriculture for food stamp standards....
 
2011-12-21 11:40:27 AM

The_Sponge: stpauler: Went to GameStop to buy a gift and the person in front of me was trying to pay for a Nintendo Wii with her EBT card. Turns out GameStop doesn't take EBT, but the ATM across the street did. She ran over there while I was checking out and came back with cash for her Wii when I was leaving.

/CSB


Disgusting.


It could very well be that this person wanted to get something nice for the kids who have an otherwise crappy existence (oh, that's right, welfare pays well, public housing consists of mansions in a nicer part of town than you live it, and the free school lunch is better than what your kids get).
They could have, just possibly, set aside a meager portion of their already meager cash benefit every month long enough to pay for the Wii, rather than getting one from Rent-A-Center, which is usually what the poor would do.

These people should be shot, and their remains fed to other poor people as a warning.
/mostly snark
 
2011-12-21 11:45:15 AM

Sergeant Grumbles: Rules probably hinging on an underpaid gas station cashier who doesn't really care to add one more unpaid responsibility to all the other things that fall on his shoulders like liquor and cigarette laws.


The point of sale equipment should handle that at most chain-affiliate stores. They already have programming for what's food-stamp eligible/not-food-stamp eligible, HSA-qualified/not, etc, etc depending on the type of card swiped.
 
2011-12-21 11:51:56 AM
EBT cards are ridiculous.
 
2011-12-21 11:59:17 AM

The Homer Tax: That's an interesting way to read that article.


...and undoubtedly the way 99% of the Herald readership will read it.
 
2011-12-21 12:15:44 PM
North Carolina allows you to use a debit card to purchase lottery tickets. Good luck actually finding a place that lets you though.
 
2011-12-21 12:17:41 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: True, that is what the article is mainly about. It just does mention people could use their electronic welfare cards and that the state is putting rules in place to stop it.


Meh there's a bunch of crap that you can't buy with EBT. One more thing isn't going to kill anybody. These people couldn't accept EBT for lottery tickets before, and they still can't. You're not adding more work for these people. If I had an EBT and walked up to you with some banana, ramen, and asked for 5 $1 scratchers, I wouldn't be able to use my EBT for that whole transaction, I would have to have two transactions. That is still the case now.

If anything, the workload for these people is reduced because the people who want to pay for their beer, porn, cigs, milk, eggs, and lottery tickets with a regular debit card now only need to use one transaction.
 
2011-12-21 12:22:54 PM
It's free! Swipe yo EBT
 
2011-12-21 12:33:43 PM

Lawnchair: Sergeant Grumbles: Rules probably hinging on an underpaid gas station cashier who doesn't really care to add one more unpaid responsibility to all the other things that fall on his shoulders like liquor and cigarette laws.

The point of sale equipment should handle that at most chain-affiliate stores. They already have programming for what's food-stamp eligible/not-food-stamp eligible, HSA-qualified/not, etc, etc depending on the type of card swiped.


Most POS systems I've seen do have a way of separating the EBT/Food Stamp transactions. However in many states (MA being one of them), the EBT machine in smaller stores is a separate unit, not integrated with the register.

So once they clear the EBT funds, they can then just go ahead and ring it through as whatever transaction type they'd like at the register to bypass the EBT restrictions. If there's no sort of oversight by the state government to match up daily EBT transactions with daily EBT receipts (which would be hugely expensive given all the little mom & pop convenience stores that accept it), and the store owner/management doesn't care (they get their money, so most don't care about the distinction), this will continue to happen.

I've always thought there should be one store per county (maybe two or three for larger counties) that was the only store that would accept EBT benefits. A giant mega-grocery store that stocks cheap healthy foods (at a low profit margin, just enough to pay for expenses) and was well serviced by public transportation. But that might be unfair to some people (and business owners who rely on the extra revenue EBT brings, regardless of what they sell)
 
2011-12-21 12:36:43 PM
You people do know EBT cards can have a Cash balance and Food stamp balance? It depends if the person qualify for just stamps or cash and stamps.
/Worked as a cashier at Dominick's(Safeway)years back
 
2011-12-21 12:47:15 PM

DoughyGuy: Lawnchair: Sergeant Grumbles: Rules probably hinging on an underpaid gas station cashier who doesn't really care to add one more unpaid responsibility to all the other things that fall on his shoulders like liquor and cigarette laws.

The point of sale equipment should handle that at most chain-affiliate stores. They already have programming for what's food-stamp eligible/not-food-stamp eligible, HSA-qualified/not, etc, etc depending on the type of card swiped.

Most POS systems I've seen do have a way of separating the EBT/Food Stamp transactions. However in many states (MA being one of them), the EBT machine in smaller stores is a separate unit, not integrated with the register.

So once they clear the EBT funds, they can then just go ahead and ring it through as whatever transaction type they'd like at the register to bypass the EBT restrictions. If there's no sort of oversight by the state government to match up daily EBT transactions with daily EBT receipts (which would be hugely expensive given all the little mom & pop convenience stores that accept it), and the store owner/management doesn't care (they get their money, so most don't care about the distinction), this will continue to happen.

I've always thought there should be one store per county (maybe two or three for larger counties) that was the only store that would accept EBT benefits. A giant mega-grocery store that stocks cheap healthy foods (at a low profit margin, just enough to pay for expenses) and was well serviced by public transportation. But that might be unfair to some people (and business owners who rely on the extra revenue EBT brings, regardless of what they sell)


I always thought that places that accept EBT should not be able to sell lottery tickets, and that gas stations should never be allowed to accept EBT.
 
2011-12-21 12:48:02 PM
EBT card can basically be used as a debit card apparently. Some places have the option to use cash on your card rather than food stamps. Never messed with it myself, so I'm not exactly sure how it all works, if the same restrictions on on what you can buy exist or whatever.

/prefers straight cash homey
 
2011-12-21 12:49:22 PM

buzzcut73: It could very well be that this person wanted to get something nice for the kids who have an otherwise crappy existence (oh, that's right, welfare pays well, public housing consists of mansions in a nicer part of town than you live it, and the free school lunch is better than what your kids get).
They could have, just possibly, set aside a meager portion of their already meager cash benefit every month long enough to pay for the Wii, rather than getting one from Rent-A-Center, which is usually what the poor would do.

These people should be shot, and their remains fed to other poor people as a warning.
/mostly snark



Hmmmm. Nope. Your sob story ain't making me give a sh*t. You shouldn't buy toys on food stamps.
 
2011-12-21 12:54:07 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: You people do know EBT cards can have a Cash balance and Food stamp balance? It depends if the person qualify for just stamps or cash and stamps.
/Worked as a cashier at Dominick's(Safeway)years back


Ah, I did know this, but dunno how it works. Never cared to have cash on it anyway, but was mildly curious when I started noticing that option coming up back in the day.
 
2011-12-21 12:55:26 PM
Is "buying lottery tickets with your food stamps" functionally different than "returning the value of your food stamps to the government"? It seems like we should be encouraging this policy.
 
2011-12-21 01:05:41 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: The Homer Tax: That's an interesting way to read that article.

I read it as "Mass becomes the 34th state to allow people to use their debit cards to buy lottery tickets.

True, that is what the article is mainly about. It just does mention people could use their electronic welfare cards and that the state is putting rules in place to stop it. Rules probably hinging on an underpaid gas station cashier who doesn't really care to add one more unpaid responsibility to all the other things that fall on his shoulders like liquor and cigarette laws.
Worked at a Walgreen's once, and a family had three food stamp cards. One, I assume, for every adult member of the family. "Hey, this one's out! Get the other one!" and hell, I even wrote a letter to the governor, which was Nikki Haley in SC, hoping if that Republican coont was going to do anything, she might as well stop welfare fraud. Got a letter back saying I needed to blame the Department of Agriculture for food stamp standards....


She was right I mean if we cut back on the amount of food assistance money that is paid out then the big Agri Business, not to mention grocery stores, warehouses, etc... would lose money. It is really disgusting that these programs are nothing more then disguised corporate subsidy programs.
 
2011-12-21 01:48:18 PM
Get rid of EBT and bring back government cheese. Commodities, not money is what the poor need. A hand up, not a hand out.

/Welfare should come with a fishing pole and fishing liscense
 
2011-12-21 01:54:34 PM

Frank N Stein: buzzcut73: It could very well be that this person wanted to get something nice for the kids who have an otherwise crappy existence (oh, that's right, welfare pays well, public housing consists of mansions in a nicer part of town than you live it, and the free school lunch is better than what your kids get).
They could have, just possibly, set aside a meager portion of their already meager cash benefit every month long enough to pay for the Wii, rather than getting one from Rent-A-Center, which is usually what the poor would do.

These people should be shot, and their remains fed to other poor people as a warning.
/mostly snark


Hmmmm. Nope. Your sob story ain't making me give a sh*t. You shouldn't buy toys on food stamps.


Exactly. The money would be better back in taxpayer pockets or used to improve schools or pay down debt rather than used for a toy. I know the logistics of ensuring that benefits aren't used for non-essentials are difficult, but conceptually benefits shouldn't be buying toys or any unnecessary items.
 
2011-12-21 01:55:01 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: You people do know EBT cards can have a Cash balance and Food stamp balance? It depends if the person qualify for just stamps or cash and stamps.
/Worked as a cashier at Dominick's(Safeway)years back


THIS exactly.
 
2011-12-21 01:55:18 PM
Don't the proceeds from lottery tickets go to fund schools and other state programs? Why not let poor people give back? Or are they just afraid they might win?
 
2011-12-21 01:59:32 PM
If the clerk is enforcing the rules and that stops you, then "Massachusetts" is not allowing you to buy lottery tickets with food stamps.
 
2011-12-21 02:01:44 PM

Dreamy LaTwitch: drjekel_mrhyde: You people do know EBT cards can have a Cash balance and Food stamp balance? It depends if the person qualify for just stamps or cash and stamps.
/Worked as a cashier at Dominick's(Safeway)years back

Ah, I did know this, but dunno how it works. Never cared to have cash on it anyway, but was mildly curious when I started noticing that option coming up back in the day.


In Oregon you have several options. Most people just get foodstamps, but if you have dependent children you can also apply for cash benefits. Both are put on your EBT card each month (Oregon Trail card) with the cash on the first of the month and the food stamps being available based on the last digit of your SSN (i.e. if it's 3, your food stamp balance is available on the 3rd of the month). The POS machine has options for you to pick depending on whether you're buying non-food items or food items. If you're buying both, it separates them out, taking out cash benefits for the non-food items, food stamps for the food items.
 
2011-12-21 02:02:56 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Sergeant Grumbles: The Homer Tax: That's an interesting way to read that article.

I read it as "Mass becomes the 34th state to allow people to use their debit cards to buy lottery tickets.

True, that is what the article is mainly about. It just does mention people could use their electronic welfare cards and that the state is putting rules in place to stop it. Rules probably hinging on an underpaid gas station cashier who doesn't really care to add one more unpaid responsibility to all the other things that fall on his shoulders like liquor and cigarette laws.
Worked at a Walgreen's once, and a family had three food stamp cards. One, I assume, for every adult member of the family. "Hey, this one's out! Get the other one!" and hell, I even wrote a letter to the governor, which was Nikki Haley in SC, hoping if that Republican coont was going to do anything, she might as well stop welfare fraud. Got a letter back saying I needed to blame the Department of Agriculture for food stamp standards....

She was right I mean if we cut back on the amount of food assistance money that is paid out then the big Agri Business, not to mention grocery stores, warehouses, etc... would lose money. It is really disgusting that these programs are nothing more then disguised corporate subsidy programs.


How do you figure? Should these businesses not make a profit on their operations?

A very simple example with realistic profit margins:

A farm produces goods that cost it $20 to produce, selling it to a distributor for $23. The distributor spends another dollar for shipping and sells it to a supermarket chain for $25, the supermarket chain spends another $2 for storage/operational costs and sells it for $30 to someone using food stamps.

The government paid $30 out in food stamps, of which it probably got $2 or $3 back in taxes on the profits for the intermediaries and salaries for their employees.

Beneficiaries of this program are:

Food stamp recipient: $20 in food
Farm, distributor, grocery store, employees,: $7-8
Taxpayer out of pocket; $27-28.

Very simple example, but these programs are very, very far from disguised corporate subsidy programs.
 
2011-12-21 02:05:42 PM

LarryDan43: Don't the proceeds from lottery tickets go to fund schools and other state programs? Why not let poor people give back? Or are they just afraid they might win?


Well, lotteries are a sucker bet, but almost half of gross lotter revenues goes out in prizes. So if a state gives someone a dollar and they buy a lotto ticket, only 60 cents comes back to the state. The point is that it would be better if the entire dollar stayed with the state rather than the beneficiary getting, on average, 40 cents worth of winnings, by buying something they clearly don't need.
 
2011-12-21 02:13:39 PM

Smeggy Smurf: /Welfare should come with a fishing pole and fishing liscense


And free healthcare to deal with the mercury poisoning?
 
2011-12-21 02:15:30 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: LarryDan43: Don't the proceeds from lottery tickets go to fund schools and other state programs? Why not let poor people give back? Or are they just afraid they might win?

Well, lotteries are a sucker bet, but almost half of gross lotter revenues goes out in prizes. So if a state gives someone a dollar and they buy a lotto ticket, only 60 cents comes back to the state. The point is that it would be better if the entire dollar stayed with the state rather than the beneficiary getting, on average, 40 cents worth of winnings, by buying something they clearly don't need.


You could play it like the casinos. Allow everyone to play but only pay out when the winner is actually eligible to have played.
 
2011-12-21 02:18:34 PM
You sound like someone that doesn't understand you only live once. Why does a child on welfare deserve to not have fun? Is it it only the middle and upper class that deserve to have a little fun?

Debeo Summa Credo: Frank N Stein: buzzcut73: It could very well be that this person wanted to get something nice for the kids who have an otherwise crappy existence (oh, that's right, welfare pays well, public housing consists of mansions in a nicer part of town than you live it, and the free school lunch is better than what your kids get).
They could have, just possibly, set aside a meager portion of their already meager cash benefit every month long enough to pay for the Wii, rather than getting one from Rent-A-Center, which is usually what the poor would do.

These people should be shot, and their remains fed to other poor people as a warning.
/mostly snark


Hmmmm. Nope. Your sob story ain't making me give a sh*t. You shouldn't buy toys on food stamps.

Exactly. The money would be better back in taxpayer pockets or used to improve schools or pay down debt rather than used for a toy. I know the logistics of ensuring that benefits aren't used for non-essentials are difficult, but conceptually benefits shouldn't be buying toys or any unnecessary items.

 
2011-12-21 02:22:29 PM
MMMmmmm, software issues...
 
2011-12-21 02:24:26 PM

buzzcut73: It could very well be that this person wanted to get something nice for the kids who have an otherwise crappy existence (oh, that's right, welfare pays well, public housing consists of mansions in a nicer part of town than you live it, and the free school lunch is better than what your kids get).
They could have, just possibly, set aside a meager portion of their already meager cash benefit every month long enough to pay for the Wii, rather than getting one from Rent-A-Center, which is usually what the poor would do.


I'd describe my family as "working poor" when I was growing up. We had some nice things, but my family never had food stamps. I wouldn't describe my existence as a kid as "crappy" just because I couldn't get a Commodore 64 or Apple IIE like some friends had. Just possibly had my parents had the equivalent of EBT I might have learned "this is how you get stuff" rather than "I'm gonna work my way through college so I won't be po no mo"
 
2011-12-21 02:32:36 PM
money is the ultimate item fungible folks nothing to see here.
 
2011-12-21 02:33:18 PM

get real: You sound like someone that doesn't understand you only live once. Why does a child on welfare deserve to not have fun? Is it it only the middle and upper class that deserve to have a little fun?

Debeo Summa Credo: Frank N Stein: buzzcut73: It could very well be that this person wanted to get something nice for the kids who have an otherwise crappy existence (oh, that's right, welfare pays well, public housing consists of mansions in a nicer part of town than you live it, and the free school lunch is better than what your kids get).
They could have, just possibly, set aside a meager portion of their already meager cash benefit every month long enough to pay for the Wii, rather than getting one from Rent-A-Center, which is usually what the poor would do.

These people should be shot, and their remains fed to other poor people as a warning.
/mostly snark


Hmmmm. Nope. Your sob story ain't making me give a sh*t. You shouldn't buy toys on food stamps.

Exactly. The money would be better back in taxpayer pockets or used to improve schools or pay down debt rather than used for a toy. I know the logistics of ensuring that benefits aren't used for non-essentials are difficult, but conceptually benefits shouldn't be buying toys or any unnecessary items.


They can have all the fun they want but I don't want to be forced to pay for it. I' don't mind my taxes going to provide underpriviledged children with food, clothing, medicine, schooling, housing, electricity, or heat, etc., but I personally draw the line at anything that isn't necessary. Toys aren't necessary.
 
2011-12-21 02:38:38 PM

Frank N Stein: buzzcut73: It could very well be that this person wanted to get something nice for the kids who have an otherwise crappy existence (oh, that's right, welfare pays well, public housing consists of mansions in a nicer part of town than you live it, and the free school lunch is better than what your kids get).
They could have, just possibly, set aside a meager portion of their already meager cash benefit every month long enough to pay for the Wii, rather than getting one from Rent-A-Center, which is usually what the poor would do.

These people should be shot, and their remains fed to other poor people as a warning.
/mostly snark


Hmmmm. Nope. Your sob story ain't making me give a sh*t. You shouldn't buy toys on food stamps.


@If you're poor, your existence should be nasty, brutish and short. Your children already are anyway.

/proper use of @sarcasm tag
 
2011-12-21 02:38:46 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: get real: You sound like someone that doesn't understand you only live once. Why does a child on welfare deserve to not have fun? Is it it only the middle and upper class that deserve to have a little fun?

Debeo Summa Credo: Frank N Stein: buzzcut73: It could very well be that this person wanted to get something nice for the kids who have an otherwise crappy existence (oh, that's right, welfare pays well, public housing consists of mansions in a nicer part of town than you live it, and the free school lunch is better than what your kids get).
They could have, just possibly, set aside a meager portion of their already meager cash benefit every month long enough to pay for the Wii, rather than getting one from Rent-A-Center, which is usually what the poor would do.

These people should be shot, and their remains fed to other poor people as a warning.
/mostly snark


Hmmmm. Nope. Your sob story ain't making me give a sh*t. You shouldn't buy toys on food stamps.

Exactly. The money would be better back in taxpayer pockets or used to improve schools or pay down debt rather than used for a toy. I know the logistics of ensuring that benefits aren't used for non-essentials are difficult, but conceptually benefits shouldn't be buying toys or any unnecessary items.

They can have all the fun they want but I don't want to be forced to pay for it. I' don't mind my taxes going to provide underpriviledged children with food, clothing, medicine, schooling, housing, electricity, or heat, etc., but I personally draw the line at anything that isn't necessary. Toys aren't necessary.


I'd hate to see what happens to your blood pressure if somebody lets you in on how college students spend their federal student aid like Pell grants and subsidized loans. Your precious tax dollars are buying way more than a Will here and there.
 
2011-12-21 02:40:13 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Get rid of EBT and bring back government cheese. Commodities, not money is what the poor need. A hand up, not a hand out.

/Welfare should come with a fishing pole and fishing liscense


Gummint cheese makes lousy bait.
 
2011-12-21 02:43:55 PM

buzzcut73: Debeo Summa Credo: get real: You sound like someone that doesn't understand you only live once. Why does a child on welfare deserve to not have fun? Is it it only the middle and upper class that deserve to have a little fun?

Debeo Summa Credo: Frank N Stein: buzzcut73: It could very well be that this person wanted to get something nice for the kids who have an otherwise crappy existence (oh, that's right, welfare pays well, public housing consists of mansions in a nicer part of town than you live it, and the free school lunch is better than what your kids get).
They could have, just possibly, set aside a meager portion of their already meager cash benefit every month long enough to pay for the Wii, rather than getting one from Rent-A-Center, which is usually what the poor would do.

These people should be shot, and their remains fed to other poor people as a warning.
/mostly snark


Hmmmm. Nope. Your sob story ain't making me give a sh*t. You shouldn't buy toys on food stamps.

Exactly. The money would be better back in taxpayer pockets or used to improve schools or pay down debt rather than used for a toy. I know the logistics of ensuring that benefits aren't used for non-essentials are difficult, but conceptually benefits shouldn't be buying toys or any unnecessary items.

They can have all the fun they want but I don't want to be forced to pay for it. I' don't mind my taxes going to provide underpriviledged children with food, clothing, medicine, schooling, housing, electricity, or heat, etc., but I personally draw the line at anything that isn't necessary. Toys aren't necessary.

I'd hate to see what happens to your blood pressure if somebody lets you in on how college students spend their federal student aid like Pell grants and subsidized loans. Your precious tax dollars are buying way more than a Will here and there.


They're using it to pay the ridiculously inflated tuition prices that Pell Grants and subsidized loans encourage. And yeah, that pisses me off too.
 
2011-12-21 02:46:58 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: If you win the lottery off a ticket bought with food stamps, shouldn't the winnings belong to the governmenttaxpayers? I'd make that state farking law.


FTFY - the government would just spend it on hookers and blow.... wait... so would I.

But I'd at least appreciate the hookers and blow...
 
2011-12-21 03:17:36 PM

CptnSpldng: Smeggy Smurf: Get rid of EBT and bring back government cheese. Commodities, not money is what the poor need. A hand up, not a hand out.

/Welfare should come with a fishing pole and fishing liscense

Gummint cheese makes lousy bait.


Use the cheese to catch a mouse which can be used as bait for bass. Bass guts make excellent crawdad bait. Crawdads make excellent bait themselves. Before too long, you're knee deep in fishy goodness.
 
2011-12-21 03:31:09 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Before too long, you're knee deep in fishy goodness.


That's what SHE said!
 
2011-12-21 03:45:35 PM

Needlessly Complicated: Smeggy Smurf: Before too long, you're knee deep in fishy goodness.

That's what SHE said!


And when she's done with that, you can use the miscarried fetus that "just fell out" to catch catfish
 
2011-12-21 04:07:21 PM

buzzcut73: The_Sponge: stpauler: Went to GameStop to buy a gift and the person in front of me was trying to pay for a Nintendo Wii with her EBT card. Turns out GameStop doesn't take EBT, but the ATM across the street did. She ran over there while I was checking out and came back with cash for her Wii when I was leaving.

/CSB


Disgusting.

It could very well be that this person wanted to get something nice for the kids who have an otherwise crappy existence (oh, that's right, welfare pays well, public housing consists of mansions in a nicer part of town than you live it, and the free school lunch is better than what your kids get).
They could have, just possibly, set aside a meager portion of their already meager cash benefit every month long enough to pay for the Wii, rather than getting one from Rent-A-Center, which is usually what the poor would do.

These people should be shot, and their remains fed to other poor people as a warning.
/mostly snark


0/10. Try again retard.
 
2011-12-21 04:12:40 PM

stpauler: Went to GameStop to buy a gift and the person in front of me was trying to pay for a Nintendo Wii with her EBT card. Turns out GameStop doesn't take EBT, but the ATM across the street did. She ran over there while I was checking out and came back with cash for her Wii when I was leaving.

/CSB


At times...many times...I really hate people.
 
2011-12-21 04:17:25 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Is "buying lottery tickets with your food stamps" functionally different than "returning the value of your food stamps to the government"? It seems like we should be encouraging this policy.


I know us Farkers have somewhat a functioning brain, so when these lazy idiots abuse the system, we all growl and snarl about how they gov't let's them take our money.

But, with that said...if one of these dumbasses does actually win the lottery, let's be realistic, that poor fool will be a poor fool after pouring said winnings back into the economy in no time.

Right?

sharetv.org
 
2011-12-21 04:20:59 PM

Frank N Stein: buzzcut73: It could very well be that this person wanted to get something nice for the kids who have an otherwise crappy existence (oh, that's right, welfare pays well, public housing consists of mansions in a nicer part of town than you live it, and the free school lunch is better than what your kids get).
They could have, just possibly, set aside a meager portion of their already meager cash benefit every month long enough to pay for the Wii, rather than getting one from Rent-A-Center, which is usually what the poor would do.

These people should be shot, and their remains fed to other poor people as a warning.
/mostly snark


Hmmmm. Nope. Your sob story ain't making me give a sh*t. You shouldn't buy toys on food stamps.


It's a neat thing that people on welfare don't always get food stamps alone. In fact in some states their child support payments can end up on their EBT card as well.

Anyhow, I'd rather poor children have a Wii than be outside in most of the neighborhoods they have to live in.

/The public knows nothing about welfare or the poor
 
2011-12-21 04:28:03 PM

FinFangFark: I know us Farkers have somewhat a functioning brain, so when these lazy idiots abuse the system, we all growl and snarl about how they gov't let's them take our money.

But, with that said...if one of these dumbasses does actually win the lottery, let's be realistic, that poor fool will be a poor fool after pouring said winnings back into the economy in no time.

Right?

[sharetv.org image 400x300]



I'm not talking about them winning, I'm talking about them not winning. It's difficult to create a need-based system of welfare because someone has to be there to assess the merits of every case. Cramming it all into a one-size-fits-all solution will create cracks that people fall through, whether they are people who really need the help but get denied on a technicality, or people who abuse the system.

But here we are with a terrific system of self-monitoring; someone who buys lottery tickets with their food stamps clearly doesn't need the food stamps, and just handed the money back to the state government for a slip of worthless paper. It's a perfect system to get idiots to relinquish their food stamps if they don't need them. And it's completely voluntary, which saves money for the government and runs highly efficiently.

I say, why the Hell shouldn't we let them buy lottery tickets with these things?
 
2011-12-21 04:30:52 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: FinFangFark: I know us Farkers have somewhat a functioning brain, so when these lazy idiots abuse the system, we all growl and snarl about how they gov't let's them take our money.

But, with that said...if one of these dumbasses does actually win the lottery, let's be realistic, that poor fool will be a poor fool after pouring said winnings back into the economy in no time.

Right?

[sharetv.org image 400x300]


I'm not talking about them winning, I'm talking about them not winning. It's difficult to create a need-based system of welfare because someone has to be there to assess the merits of every case. Cramming it all into a one-size-fits-all solution will create cracks that people fall through, whether they are people who really need the help but get denied on a technicality, or people who abuse the system.

But here we are with a terrific system of self-monitoring; someone who buys lottery tickets with their food stamps clearly doesn't need the food stamps, and just handed the money back to the state government for a slip of worthless paper. It's a perfect system to get idiots to relinquish their food stamps if they don't need them. And it's completely voluntary, which saves money for the government and runs highly efficiently.

I say, why the Hell shouldn't we let them buy lottery tickets with these things?


Because Food Stamps are federal government funding and it would basically be state governments laundering money from the Feds.
 
2011-12-21 04:31:50 PM

Dreamy LaTwitch: drjekel_mrhyde: You people do know EBT cards can have a Cash balance and Food stamp balance? It depends if the person qualify for just stamps or cash and stamps.
/Worked as a cashier at Dominick's(Safeway)years back

Ah, I did know this, but dunno how it works. Never cared to have cash on it anyway, but was mildly curious when I started noticing that option coming up back in the day.


I think the cash part is to buy things like detergents, paper plates and other non food items at a grocer.
/Truthfully I think the cash part came around when the Mega stores appeared
 
2011-12-21 04:35:06 PM

Smeggy Smurf: /Welfare should come with a fishing pole and fishing liscense


No guns, ammo, and hunting license?
 
2011-12-21 04:35:08 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Dreamy LaTwitch: drjekel_mrhyde: You people do know EBT cards can have a Cash balance and Food stamp balance? It depends if the person qualify for just stamps or cash and stamps.
/Worked as a cashier at Dominick's(Safeway)years back

Ah, I did know this, but dunno how it works. Never cared to have cash on it anyway, but was mildly curious when I started noticing that option coming up back in the day.

I think the cash part is to buy things like detergents, paper plates and other non food items at a grocer.
/Truthfully I think the cash part came around when the Mega stores appeared


Cash is for whatever they want to use it for. Getting cash has far stricter regulations than food stamps, however.
 
2011-12-21 04:42:53 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Smeggy Smurf: /Welfare should come with a fishing pole and fishing liscense

No guns, ammo, and hunting license?


Whoa der, son. You talkin' about arming the poor?
 
2011-12-21 04:43:03 PM
Do they have any problem with a post dated out of state check?
 
2011-12-21 04:47:48 PM

numinous: Because Food Stamps are federal government funding and it would basically be state governments laundering money from the Feds.


Then set up a federal lottery that accepts food stamps.
 
2011-12-21 05:09:30 PM

CptnSpldng: drjekel_mrhyde: Smeggy Smurf: /Welfare should come with a fishing pole and fishing liscense

No guns, ammo, and hunting license?

Whoa der, son. You talkin' about arming the poor?


Exactly. They're poor because they make bad decisions. The only poor people who make bad decisions that we want armed are the hillbillies since all they can shoot is each other. Nobody worth keeping around gets hurt. But when you arm the regular average schmuck bad decision making poor they're apt to turn the guns on other regular people and wind up making a fustercluck of it all.
 
2011-12-21 05:34:59 PM

numinous: Frank N Stein: buzzcut73: It could very well be that this person wanted to get something nice for the kids who have an otherwise crappy existence (oh, that's right, welfare pays well, public housing consists of mansions in a nicer part of town than you live it, and the free school lunch is better than what your kids get).
They could have, just possibly, set aside a meager portion of their already meager cash benefit every month long enough to pay for the Wii, rather than getting one from Rent-A-Center, which is usually what the poor would do.

These people should be shot, and their remains fed to other poor people as a warning.
/mostly snark


Hmmmm. Nope. Your sob story ain't making me give a sh*t. You shouldn't buy toys on food stamps.

It's a neat thing that people on welfare don't always get food stamps alone. In fact in some states their child support payments can end up on their EBT card as well.

Anyhow, I'd rather poor children have a Wii than be outside in most of the neighborhoods they have to live in.

/The public knows nothing about welfare or the poor


Well! Aren't you special!
 
2011-12-21 05:46:43 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: You people do know EBT cards can have a Cash balance and Food stamp balance? It depends if the person qualify for just stamps or cash and stamps.
/Worked as a cashier at Dominick's(Safeway)years back


Honestly, if someone wants to spend a couple bucks every few months for little entertainment...then go right a head. I admit hat I buy a powerball ticket when it goes over $100 million and my wife likes scratch tickets and we get some 2-3 times a year. Who knows, maybe the stars align and I win big...but I can easily afford the (maybe) $20 a year I spend on the lottery/scratch tickets.

The problem is when people start putting down $20, $50, $100 a week thinking they're going to win if they just keep playing their numbers...their turn will come

no-so CSB: I was getting my car inspected at a gas station (in a not-so-nice neighborhood)...and this person came in and spent like $50-$75 on scratch tickets...won $20-$30 exchnaged the winnings formore tickets plus $20 more....this went on until he had no more winners, had scratched like 20+ tickets and was probably down $100+. He'd pay $50 to win $20....I've seen people buy $7 worth of gas and $50 worth of powerball numbers...

/I know it's anecdotal, but it seems to happen way more than it should.
 
2011-12-21 07:43:17 PM
In other news, money apparently grows on trees.
 
2011-12-21 08:23:59 PM
Lawnchair: Sergeant Grumbles: Rules probably hinging on an underpaid gas station cashier who doesn't really care to add one more unpaid responsibility to all the other things that fall on his shoulders like liquor and cigarette laws.

The point of sale equipment should handle that at most chain-affiliate stores. They already have programming for what's food-stamp eligible/not-food-stamp eligible, HSA-qualified/not, etc, etc depending on the type of card swiped.


Should. That's on the store and not really on the person spending it or the gov.

As for lottery tickets, if thats the case, who the fark cares? They're taking their welfare, and dumping it back in to the taxpayer funds. In MA quite a bit of lottery money going to schools. That's amusing to me.

And the likely hood of one of them striking the lottery is a lot less than them getting hit and killed by a car.

Win Win
 
2011-12-22 06:50:05 AM

mrtoadswildride: no-so CSB: I was getting my car inspected at a gas station (in a not-so-nice neighborhood)...and this person came in and spent like $50-$75 on scratch tickets...won $20-$30 exchnaged the winnings formore tickets plus $20 more....this went on until he had no more winners, had scratched like 20+ tickets and was probably down $100+. He'd pay $50 to win $20....I've seen people buy $7 worth of gas and $50 worth of powerball numbers...


probably they are just stupid, but it could also be considered a very expensive method of money laundering...
 
2011-12-22 07:53:37 AM

stpauler: Went to GameStop to buy a gift and the person in front of me was trying to pay for a Nintendo Wii with her EBT card. Turns out GameStop doesn't take EBT, but the ATM across the street did. She ran over there while I was checking out and came back with cash for her Wii when I was leaving.

/CSB


How dare she! Entertainment? Fun? Poor people don't need that! They oughta be pounding the pavement for a job from dawn 'till dusk, it don't matter if they've been 'round every employer twice already today - they can go hand in a third resume!

Or maybe she should have done what real poor, desperate people do and broke into your house to steal yours!

Pah. Buying a Wii on EBT for Christmas, the nerve of some people. She should've got heroin instead!
 
2011-12-22 08:02:02 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Slaves2Darkness: Sergeant Grumbles: The Homer Tax: That's an interesting way to read that article.

I read it as "Mass becomes the 34th state to allow people to use their debit cards to buy lottery tickets.

True, that is what the article is mainly about. It just does mention people could use their electronic welfare cards and that the state is putting rules in place to stop it. Rules probably hinging on an underpaid gas station cashier who doesn't really care to add one more unpaid responsibility to all the other things that fall on his shoulders like liquor and cigarette laws.
Worked at a Walgreen's once, and a family had three food stamp cards. One, I assume, for every adult member of the family. "Hey, this one's out! Get the other one!" and hell, I even wrote a letter to the governor, which was Nikki Haley in SC, hoping if that Republican coont was going to do anything, she might as well stop welfare fraud. Got a letter back saying I needed to blame the Department of Agriculture for food stamp standards....

She was right I mean if we cut back on the amount of food assistance money that is paid out then the big Agri Business, not to mention grocery stores, warehouses, etc... would lose money. It is really disgusting that these programs are nothing more then disguised corporate subsidy programs.

How do you figure? Should these businesses not make a profit on their operations?

A very simple example with realistic profit margins:

A farm produces goods that cost it $20 to produce, selling it to a distributor for $23. The distributor spends another dollar for shipping and sells it to a supermarket chain for $25, the supermarket chain spends another $2 for storage/operational costs and sells it for $30 to someone using food stamps.

The government paid $30 out in food stamps, of which it probably got $2 or $3 back in taxes on the profits for the intermediaries and salaries for their employees.

Beneficiaries of this program are:

Food stamp recipient: $20 in food
F ...


That reminds me of when I used to buy eggs for 7 cents each, then sell them to the mess hall for 5 cents each. All so the syndicate could profit - and since everyone has a share, it's good for all of us...
 
2011-12-22 08:07:48 AM

starsrift: stpauler: Went to GameStop to buy a gift and the person in front of me was trying to pay for a Nintendo Wii with her EBT card. Turns out GameStop doesn't take EBT, but the ATM across the street did. She ran over there while I was checking out and came back with cash for her Wii when I was leaving.

/CSB

How dare she! Entertainment? Fun? Poor people don't need that! They oughta be pounding the pavement for a job from dawn 'till dusk, it don't matter if they've been 'round every employer twice already today - they can go hand in a third resume!

Or maybe she should have done what real poor, desperate people do and broke into your house to steal yours!

Pah. Buying a Wii on EBT for Christmas, the nerve of some people. She should've got heroin instead!


Interesting how you got all judgy about me when my story just reported facts and no judgment. IOW, you're an ass.
 
2011-12-22 09:48:55 AM

proteus_b: mrtoadswildride: no-so CSB: I was getting my car inspected at a gas station (in a not-so-nice neighborhood)...and this person came in and spent like $50-$75 on scratch tickets...won $20-$30 exchnaged the winnings formore tickets plus $20 more....this went on until he had no more winners, had scratched like 20+ tickets and was probably down $100+. He'd pay $50 to win $20....I've seen people buy $7 worth of gas and $50 worth of powerball numbers...

probably they are just stupid, but it could also be considered a very expensive method of money laundering...



No, I've seen it too many times for too many different people for it to be money laundering. It's people thinking that if they just keep playing their numbers...eventually they'll hit the jackpot...that "their time" will come...like they are at the end of a long line and when their time comes...boom easy street.
 
2011-12-22 10:10:44 AM

mrtoadswildride: No, I've seen it too many times for too many different people for it to be money laundering. It's people thinking that if they just keep playing their numbers...eventually they'll hit the jackpot...that "their time" will come...like they are at the end of a long line and when their time comes...boom easy street.


i'm just saying, that if you ever write a code which takes fractions of a cent on millions of transactions from a company which updates y2k software, and need to launder the money, keep this in mind. it might be cheaper than paying off a magazine salesman.
 
2011-12-22 10:28:13 AM
csb
I was in line at a grocery store and the couple in front of me were checking out using the loser payment system. I thought it was cool because they both had on pizza delivery garb, so I thought, hey, at least they have jorbs.

Then I followed them out to the parking lot, where they jumped into their brand new Trans Am.
/csb
 
2011-12-22 10:26:34 PM
"one of those downer clerks who insists on enforcing the rules" and that has to use real hard earned money to play against the people playing on his handouts.
 
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