A true american hero has passed away.

Too bad he never took a job at GM.

Every bit as much a hero as Reagan.

/Worst FAA Administrator EVAR. Lying,clueless bastige, just like his boss.

Controller #3: Get me Steve McCroskey!
Controller #2: Are you kidding? Ever since Reagan fired the air traffic controllers, he's been completely senile!
Controller #3: Yeah, but what about McCroskey?
Controller #2: About the same as Reagan.

The tipping point in the decline of the unions.

Back in the beginning of the decline.
He was just following orders, right?

Say what you will, but Unions really give some thought to calling somebodys bluff ever since that incident.

HotIgneous Intruder: Back in the beginning of the decline.
He was just following orders, right?

Sorry, I just don't have an issue with terminating workers who are engaging in an illegal strike. They made their choice to defy the order back to work and they have to deal with the consequences.

Debeo Summa Credo: HotIgneous Intruder: Back in the beginning of the decline.
He was just following orders, right?

Sorry, I just don't have an issue with terminating workers who are engaging in an illegal strike. They made their choice to defy the order back to work and they have to deal with the consequences.

Frick needed a man like you at Homestead.

/you people should have to spend a day screwing on doll heads in a Chinese sweatshop to appreciate how workers rights are a GOOD thing
//or maybe just take away your three weeks paid vacation, holiday pay, overtime (if hourly), 40-hour work week, and illegality of your taskmaster caving in your skull with a pickaxe

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: Debeo Summa Credo: HotIgneous Intruder: Back in the beginning of the decline.
He was just following orders, right?

Sorry, I just don't have an issue with terminating workers who are engaging in an illegal strike. They made their choice to defy the order back to work and they have to deal with the consequences.

Frick needed a man like you at Homestead.

/you people should have to spend a day screwing on doll heads in a Chinese sweatshop to appreciate how workers rights are a GOOD thing
//or maybe just take away your three weeks paid vacation, holiday pay, overtime (if hourly), 40-hour work week, and illegality of your taskmaster caving in your skull with a pickaxe

Air traffic controllers striking would bring this country to it's knees. Unless you want everyone working in conditions like your sweatshop example, it was worth it.

/you people should have to spend a day screwing on doll heads in a Chinese sweatshop to appreciate how workers rights are a GOOD thing
//or maybe just take away your three weeks paid vacation, holiday pay, overtime (if hourly), 40-hour work week, and illegality of your taskmaster caving in your skull with a pickaxe

Worker rights are statutorily protected. We don't need unions any more.

There are tons fields that do well (better) without the unions. I don't need to collectively bargain with my fellow workers. I want to be able to stand out above them, not have them average me out.

TheShavingofOccam123: A thief that had t resign as head of the FAA but was allowed to keep the millions of dollars he looted from businesses.

Why the hell didin't this guy run for the GOP presidential nomination?

Maybe he put the money in his freezer, in which case he should have run as a Democratic candidate for Congress.

MugzyBrown: Worker rights are statutorily protected. We don't need unions any more.

Except that individuals suing when violations occur is *much* less likely to get the proper public exposure than a group of them suing, which is why unions are a good thing.

/in before all unions are useless and corrupt

MugzyBrown: Worker rights are statutorily protected. We don't need unions any more.


Very little is actually protected especially in an at will employment state. But if you were a lawyer (assuming you're not since a gross misrepresentation like that violates guidelines) you would be aware of that.


There are tons fields that do well (better) without the unions. I don't need to collectively bargain with my fellow workers. I want to be able to stand out above them, not have them average me out.


Well workers employed in logistics and distribution certainly seem to be better off what with their zero benefits, time off, piece-rate payment, and scheduling uncertainties (you'll know if you have work only when you report).

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Chakro: If it is in your contract that you can't strike, don't strike. Even if the union says to.

Indeed. If it's in your contract that they can murder your brother and harvest your nearborn child, then just deal with it.

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: Debeo Summa Credo: HotIgneous Intruder: Back in the beginning of the decline.
He was just following orders, right?

Sorry, I just don't have an issue with terminating workers who are engaging in an illegal strike. They made their choice to defy the order back to work and they have to deal with the consequences.

Frick needed a man like you at Homestead.

/you people should have to spend a day screwing on doll heads in a Chinese sweatshop to appreciate how workers rights are a GOOD thing
//or maybe just take away your three weeks paid vacation, holiday pay, overtime (if hourly), 40-hour work week, and illegality of your taskmaster caving in your skull with a pickaxe

Nothing wrong with unions and nothing wrong with striking. I don't see why employers shouldn't have the right to fire people who don't show up for work, however.

Strikes work if the employees have the leverage to force the employer into concessions. Unions help provide that leverage. But if the employer is okay with firing workers and either foregoing production or bringing in scabs, I don't have a problem with it. I know labor law is complicated and this is legal/illegal depending on the situation and location.

Oh, and although 19th century industrialists did act horribly toward their employees, the Homestead strikers basically stole the private property of Carnegie by keeping out replacement workers.

tomcatadam: Chakro: If it is in your contract that you can't strike, don't strike. Even if the union says to.

Indeed. If it's in your contract that they can murder your brother and harvest your nearborn child, then just deal with it.

Why did you agree to a contract that said they could murder your brother? That was stupid.

tomcatadam: Chakro: If it is in your contract that you can't strike, don't strike. Even if the union says to.

Indeed. If it's in your contract that they can murder your brother and harvest your nearborn child, then just deal with it.

Hyperbole doesn't help your case. You're citing an extreme example that would never happen. Even if it did happen, you would be a complete fool to sign any such thing. But let's assume you are such a fool. It would not be enforceable on any legal level.

On the other hand, there would probably be very few eyebrows raised if someone was fired for not showing up for work for a few days when they were scheduled, and your industry came to a screeching halt. Especially if their compensation including benefits was well above the minimum.

Tourney3p0: But let's assume you are such a fool.

That's a pretty safe assumption. In fact, it would be safe to just assume he's a complete moron.

beta_plus: A true american hero has passed away.

Too bad he never took a job at GM.


THIS

beta_plus: A true american hero has passed away.

Too bad he never took a job at GM.

I'm sure he'd fit right in at GM, running the business into the ground and taking federal money to combat the free market.

Also, you're a farking Fascist.

utahraptor2: beta_plus: A true american hero has passed away.

Too bad he never took a job at GM.

I'm sure he'd fit right in at GM, running the business into the ground and taking federal money to combat the free market.

Also, you're a farking Fascist.

He would have to be the UAW President to accomplish that.

lafong

Say what you will, but Unions really give some thought to calling somebodys bluff ever since that incident.


So did the Soviet Union.