They don't like it because it doesn't fark the 99% hard enough.

/obvious tag missing?

This isn't adding up.

Senate Democrats' messaging chief, Sen. Charles Schumer (NY), said this morning on MSNBC's Daily Rundown. "All you have to do is let the pressure mount, day in day out. And they will come back and support the two month [extension]."

and

It also solidifies a standoff with Senate Democrats about how to resolve the payroll tax issue by Dec. 31, when the yearlong tax holiday is set to expire. Democrats have said they would refuse to appoint conferees to help resolve the dispute, and would instead insist on House Republicans to relent, and approve the two-month-long cut.

Followed a few paragraphs later by:

Lawmakers will spend the afternoon debating and voting on motions to instruct House members on those theoretical deliberations with the Senate. This measure would essentially detail just what Republicans are seeking as an output of negotiations. (In this case, Republicans insist that the extension last a whole calendar year.)

Wait, so the Democrats know that they can keep bringing an issue up and kill the other side in the press over it, so they're trying to go for smaller windows of time so they can keep the issue in the media and extort concessions every few months? And the Republicans are willing to give a year of payroll taxes they're opposed to just to end this and they don't even really want major concessions over it? That can't be what is happening.

Silly people...

/tax cuts are only for job creators, not workers. Worker tax cuts just increase "uncertainty"

Putting money in the hands of people who'd spend it on goods and services in the community? That will destroy America with Socialistic, Islamfascistic, Communistic, Hydramatic Lightning!

My plan for tax reform that no one will ever enact:

a) Capital gains become the same as income.
b) No more deductions/tax credits.
c) New tax rates. Tax brackets are as follows:

$0-10,000: 1%
10,001-20,000: 2%
...
489,001-490,000: 49%
491,000 and above: 50%

Most people would pay less than they do now, and the top 1% get to pay more.

/it also reduces Form 1040 to a single math equation.

Poor Americans will just waste this extra money on things like food and clothing.

11of12: So if the Democrats are in favor of the tax cut and the Republicans say they want to extend the cut for a full year instead of just two months, why not go ahead and pass it for the full year? Could it be that both the parties in the US don't give a rip about the tax payers and would rather wage their political battles than actually do something productive? I'll never understand voters who are blindly loyal to either one of these collections of asshats.

BSABSVR

SnakeLee: Wait, so the Democrats know that they can keep bringing an issue up and kill the other side in the press over it, so they're trying to go for smaller windows of time so they can keep the issue in the media and extort concessions every few months? And the Republicans are willing to give a year of payroll taxes they're opposed to just to end this and they don't even really want major concessions over it? That can't be what is happening.

Actually the House is demanding two non-tax cut related riders (Keystone XL, and to be added to any middle class tax cut, and a pay-for that will reduce medicare and medicaid payments to doctors.

Here is the thing... Senate Republicans have been pressuring the House Republicans to pass the tax cut. Boehner has so far refused to bring the bill to a full vote on the floor of the House because he knows he doesn't actually control his caucus. The vote today was a motion to refuse... by voting Yes it would kill the bill, by voting No it would still not pass the bill out of the House. Something not being reported widely (because it is incredibly wonky) is a lot of Republicans in the House voted present.

Boehner is running scared from a small group of House GOP members that are actually calling the shots, and using Boehner as decoy; which is why he keeps agreeing to things with the President and the Senate, going to his caucus and then coming back saying, "nope, can't do it."

imontheinternet: House Republicans are like a caricature of themselves. Preaching tax cuts constantly, then blocking one designed specifically to help working people isn't just dickish, it's ridiculous, cartoony evil.

Washington is completely and utterly broken.

And then vote NO on it and claim they really didn't.

Tools = all of Congress.

11of12: So if the Democrats are in favor of the tax cut and the Republicans say they want to extend the cut for a full year instead of just two months, why not go ahead and pass it for the full year?

Because the twelve month extension is covered in riders and amendments that have nothing to do with the tax cut.

Code_Archeologist: 11of12: So if the Democrats are in favor of the tax cut and the Republicans say they want to extend the cut for a full year instead of just two months, why not go ahead and pass it for the full year?

Because the twelve month extension is covered in riders and amendments that have nothing to do with the tax cut.

THIS. With as odious as the riders are, I'd rather sink the whole bill then take the riders.

Code_Archeologist: The vote today was a motion to refuse... by voting Yes it would kill the bill, by voting No it would still not pass the bill out of the House. Something not being reported widely (because it is incredibly wonky) is a lot of Republicans in the House voted present.

Yes, this has been overlooked. @brianbeutler has been all over this.

Yesterday:

Specifically, they're not actually going to vote down the Senate bill directly. Instead they will vote on a single measure that rejects the Senate's plan and simultaneously calls for a conference with Senate negotiators to iron out the (significant) differences between the two chambers' plans.

"We will have a motion to reject the Senate amendment and go to conference," House Majority Leader Eric Cantor told reporters at a Monday press briefing. "We expect the minority to have a motion to instruct conferees. And then we will have a majority resolution that will lay out our House position that is consistent with the bill that we passed last week."

In other words, House GOP members will get to vote "yes," but in a way that says "no" to the Senate bill. This bears some resemblance to the health care reform-era controversy over so-called self-executing rules, when Democrats briefly considered tying two votes together into one, thus "deeming" unpopular legislation passed. Under the GOP's plan, there's no way for a vote to result in passage of the Senate bill.

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Also, today (new window), more today (new window)

themindiswatching: My plan for tax reform that no one will ever enact:

a) Capital gains become the same as income.
b) No more deductions/tax credits.
c) New tax rates. Tax brackets are as follows:

$0-10,000: 1%
10,001-20,000: 2%
...
489,001-490,000: 49%
491,000 and above: 50%

Most people would pay less than they do now, and the top 1% get to pay more.

/it also reduces Form 1040 to a single math equation.

Not bad but I would limit the "no deductions" part on the income portion above $491,000. There are many important deductions for many poor/middle class families such as deduction for care of a sick or disabled children. However, I would phase out the mortgage interest deduction gradually.

On another note, did the GOP finally admit that cutting taxes^* decrease revenue and add to deficits?

Where's Grover Norquist when you need him?


^*_{except for rich people taxes like capital gains, inheritance, and corporate income tax.}

11of12: So if the Democrats are in favor of the tax cut and the Republicans say they want to extend the cut for a full year instead of just two months, why not go ahead and pass it for the full year?

Because it's not about the tax cut. Republicans want an oil pipeline thrown into the deal along with cuts to certain programs that they don't like. Republicans, once again, are holding a good idea hostage for more of their bad ideas.

We should totally vote Republican in 2012 so this madness will finally end.

So I'm Sure Grover Norquist will be calling on all these recalcitrant house members and having a Louisville Slugger-based discussion witht them to get them to re-consider thier positions because as he rimnded us last winter, letting a tax cut expire is the same as raising taxes which is forbidden under his pledge

'Cause surely that's matter of principle for him Right?

Maybe someone in the House has actually run a business with a payroll and realized that this stupid 2-month extension can't be implemented practically?

Pass one that's at least a year long--or else don't bother wasting everyone's time (and money)....

If they were truly concerned about America and NOT parroting Rush's talking points, the entire Tea Party would be calling for an alliance with OWS and marching on DC right now.

That they aren't proves how paperthin their "concerns" are.