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2011-12-20 01:04:20 PM
He should start be hanging some praise on Megatron. Never seen anything like that dude.
 
2011-12-20 01:07:34 PM
Newton > Dalton > Stafford > Tebow
 
2011-12-20 01:19:18 PM
Why do we keep praising these guys for leading their teams back from huge deficits THAT THEY GOT THEM INTO IN THE FIRST PLACE?
 
2011-12-20 01:21:49 PM
Stafford's a champ and will be for years. He and Johnson will go into the hall together.

Gat is about five >s lower than Tebow.

Oh, and Suh will go in about a year or two after.
 
2011-12-20 01:22:05 PM
Quasar: Why do we keep praising these guys for leading their teams back from huge deficits THAT THEY GOT THEM INTO IN THE FIRST PLACE?

It's Matthew Stafford's fault the Lions have running game that could be stopped by your average 6th grade flag football team?
 
2011-12-20 01:31:45 PM
Mikel Leshoure - 2nd round draft choice and expected to back up Best - Out for the season in a pre season game

Javid Best - Starts out strong and goes down to concussions in game seven with the Lions at 5-1....out for the season

Kevin Smith - Picked up as a free agent and goes off in first game only to injure ankle and being ineffective since.

Had the Lions kept any of these guys healthy they would be a game, or at worst two, back of GB.
 
2011-12-20 01:36:18 PM
Newton/Dalton = The kind of QBs that are good out of the gate, become mediocre over time because they don't change much and NFL teams will find ways to control them.

Stafford/Bradford = The kind of QBs that will falter at the start, but improve their skills over time and become good if not great in the NFL.

I saw this in my .02 crystal ball.
 
2011-12-20 01:44:01 PM
Obvious tag on vacation huh?
 
2011-12-20 01:45:08 PM
I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey: Newton/Dalton = The kind of QBs that are good out of the gate, become mediocre over time because they don't change much and NFL teams will find ways to control them.

Stafford/Bradford = The kind of QBs that will falter at the start, but improve their skills over time and become good if not great in the NFL.

I saw this in my .02 crystal ball.


You have Bradford and Dalton in the wrong categories. Dalton is struggling a bit but I think he's a winner. Bradford's career is going to be David Carr-like.
 
2011-12-20 01:45:46 PM
TeddyBallGame: He should start be hanging some praise on Megatron. Never seen anything like that dude.

/Oh, stewardess...
 
2011-12-20 01:47:33 PM
Hmmn. I would have thought this was about Skelton.
 
2011-12-20 01:48:39 PM
IamKaiserSoze!!!: Mikel Leshoure - 2nd round draft choice and expected to back up Best - Out for the season in a pre season game

Javid Best - Starts out strong and goes down to concussions in game seven with the Lions at 5-1....out for the season

Kevin Smith - Picked up as a free agent and goes off in first game only to injure ankle and being ineffective since.

Had the Lions kept any of these guys healthy they would be a game, or at worst two, back of GB.


This is why I think they should either chase Forte or offer the Jags a 1 or a 2 and a 3 for the last four good years of MJD.
 
2011-12-20 01:49:14 PM
IamKaiserSoze!!!: Mikel Leshoure - 2nd round draft choice and expected to back up Best - Out for the season in a pre season game

Javid Best - Starts out strong and goes down to concussions in game seven with the Lions at 5-1....out for the season

Kevin Smith - Picked up as a free agent and goes off in first game only to injure ankle and being ineffective since.

Had the Lions kept any of these guys healthy they would be a game, or at worst two, back of GB


Their running game wasn't doing much even when Best was healthy. Their line just isn't very good at run blocking.
 
2011-12-20 01:51:17 PM
He needs to develop some sort of signature Jesus-praising move to bust out after big plays. That's the sign of a truly great QB.
 
2011-12-20 01:52:13 PM
facisto: Hmmn. I would have thought this was about Skelton.

Same here, wonder why he hasn't gotten a headline yet
 
2011-12-20 01:52:44 PM
Yeah he just has injury problems subby.

I am happy he seems to have overcome them though. I have a few friends who have suffered through Lions season after Lions season. They deserve some good times.

/srsly
 
2011-12-20 01:53:52 PM
GQueue: Their running game wasn't doing much even when Best was healthy. Their line just isn't very good at run blocking.

So much this. Lions O-line has been an issue for a long time.
 
2011-12-20 01:54:54 PM
GQueue: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Mikel Leshoure - 2nd round draft choice and expected to back up Best - Out for the season in a pre season game

Javid Best - Starts out strong and goes down to concussions in game seven with the Lions at 5-1....out for the season

Kevin Smith - Picked up as a free agent and goes off in first game only to injure ankle and being ineffective since.

Had the Lions kept any of these guys healthy they would be a game, or at worst two, back of GB

Their running game wasn't doing much even when Best was healthy. Their line just isn't very good at run blocking.


True, but Best had that home-run quality. He could hit a hole and rip of 50 yards even when it was bad.
 
2011-12-20 01:55:06 PM
Quasar: Why do we keep praising these guys for leading their teams back from huge deficits THAT THEY GOT THEM INTO IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I wasn't aware that Stafford played defense.
 
2011-12-20 01:56:25 PM
Ken VeryBigLiar: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Mikel Leshoure - 2nd round draft choice and expected to back up Best - Out for the season in a pre season game

Javid Best - Starts out strong and goes down to concussions in game seven with the Lions at 5-1....out for the season

Kevin Smith - Picked up as a free agent and goes off in first game only to injure ankle and being ineffective since.

Had the Lions kept any of these guys healthy they would be a game, or at worst two, back of GB.

This is why I think they should either chase Forte or offer the Jags a 1 or a 2 and a 3 for the last four good years of MJD.


You also forgot the RB (can't remember his name) who had a brain tumor that was found when he was traded for Ronnie Brown. Also, this is why you should almost never draft a RB in the 1st round (and never in the late 1st) and you certainly don't give up a king's ransom for a RB on a different team. RBs are a dime a dozen, and while it sucks that Leshoure got hurt it's still only for one season. Best was a mistake, especially because they traded up to get him. The Lions should not trade a ton for Forte or MJD, they would be better suited signing a journeyman veteran (Ronnie Brown?) and taking a RB in the third round of the draft for depth. You don't need one great RB in the NFL as it's too risky if they get hurt like Best did. You need two or three good ones.
 
2011-12-20 01:56:51 PM
Leeds37: GQueue: Their running game wasn't doing much even when Best was healthy. Their line just isn't very good at run blocking.

So much this. Lions O-line has been an issue for a long time.


I think Backus just hates Stafford.

Oh well, they can now strat using their draft picks for O line and DB
 
2011-12-20 01:59:04 PM
I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey: Newton/Dalton = The kind of QBs that are good out of the gate, become mediocre over time because they don't change much and NFL teams will find ways to control them.

Stafford/Bradford = The kind of QBs that will falter at the start, but improve their skills over time and become good if not great in the NFL.

I saw this in my .02 crystal ball.


As Newton's team gets better he will get better. Right now he is just about the panthers running game, he has 1 receiver to throw to and a good tightend, and offensive line that couldn't block water and a defense that completely sucks. As better players start being put around him his game will change and he won't have to do everything himself.
 
2011-12-20 02:01:28 PM
kukukupo: GQueue: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Mikel Leshoure - 2nd round draft choice and expected to back up Best - Out for the season in a pre season game

Javid Best - Starts out strong and goes down to concussions in game seven with the Lions at 5-1....out for the season

Kevin Smith - Picked up as a free agent and goes off in first game only to injure ankle and being ineffective since.

Had the Lions kept any of these guys healthy they would be a game, or at worst two, back of GB

Their running game wasn't doing much even when Best was healthy. Their line just isn't very good at run blocking.

True, but Best had that home-run quality. He could hit a hole and rip of 50 yards even when it was bad.


He kept the defense honest. Reminded me a lot of Brian Westbrook, who btw, won a lot of FFL games for me.
 
2011-12-20 02:05:02 PM
neuroflare: facisto: Hmmn. I would have thought this was about Skelton.

Same here, wonder why he hasn't gotten a headline yet


I too thought this was going to be a Skeltonmania thread.

/whatcha gonna do, brother
 
2011-12-20 02:05:23 PM
GQueue: Their running game wasn't doing much even when Best was healthy. Their line just isn't very good at run blocking.

Yes. The line is also moderate at best in terms of pass blocking and creating a pocket. Offensively Detroit is two years and a number of new lineman away from being a Super Bowl winning team I think.

Also as I typed this, the Detroit defense committed two personal fouls.
 
2011-12-20 02:08:33 PM
Ken VeryBigLiar: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Mikel Leshoure - 2nd round draft choice and expected to back up Best - Out for the season in a pre season game

Javid Best - Starts out strong and goes down to concussions in game seven with the Lions at 5-1....out for the season

Kevin Smith - Picked up as a free agent and goes off in first game only to injure ankle and being ineffective since.

Had the Lions kept any of these guys healthy they would be a game, or at worst two, back of GB.

This is why I think they should either chase Forte or offer the Jags a 1 or a 2 and a 3 for the last four good years of MJD.


You stay the fark away from Forte! He's all us Bears fans got
 
2011-12-20 02:09:02 PM
robsul82: neuroflare: facisto: Hmmn. I would have thought this was about Skelton.

Same here, wonder why he hasn't gotten a headline yet

I too thought this was going to be a Skeltonmania thread.

/whatcha gonna do, brother


Well then we're taking it over!!
 
2011-12-20 02:11:12 PM
Yeah as a UGA fan I love stafford but the praise should be shared with calvin, probably one of the greatest receivers in the past few years.
 
2011-12-20 02:14:36 PM
ongbok: Quasar: Why do we keep praising these guys for leading their teams back from huge deficits THAT THEY GOT THEM INTO IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I wasn't aware that Stafford played defense.


Tebow's more guilty of this than Stafford (i.e. putting up shiat numbers in the first half), but having to put up huge numbers in the second half is often indicative that your first half play is not up to par.
 
2011-12-20 02:15:33 PM
IamKaiserSoze!!!: Gat is about five >s lower than Tebow.

Classy person with unwarranted personal attacks.
 
2011-12-20 02:16:03 PM
This is very hard for me to say as a Chicago fan.

If the Bears don't miraculously make the playoffs, I don't think there is another team I'd rather see win than the Lions. I would probably cheer for them in the postseason.
 
2011-12-20 02:19:01 PM
Yeah, but no one was calling Stafford 4th string, about to be cut, will never make it in the NFL as a QB, can't throw, not tough enough, can't learn the offense, should switch positions, etc, etc ,etc.

if the media wasn't so quick to judge Tebow they wouldn't have to spend so much time backtracking and could focus on the other rookie QBs that are doing well.

/yeah right
//barely a mention of the Packers loss on SportsCenter
 
2011-12-20 02:25:33 PM
GAT_00: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Gat is about five >s lower than Tebow.

Classy person with unwarranted personal attacks.


You forget that you fired a salvo at me for being a mindless neocon and Michigan fan a couple months ago.

I was just biding my time for the reply
 
2011-12-20 02:27:49 PM
IamKaiserSoze!!!: GAT_00: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Gat is about five >s lower than Tebow.

Classy person with unwarranted personal attacks.

You forget that you fired a salvo at me for being a mindless neocon and Michigan fan a couple months ago.

I was just biding my time for the reply


Interesting that you consider being a Michigan fan an insult.
 
2011-12-20 02:32:49 PM
skrame: This is very hard for me to say as a Chicago fan.

If the Bears don't miraculously make the playoffs, I don't think there is another team I'd rather see win than the Lions. I would probably cheer for them in the postseason


I'll be rooting for the Niners out of the NFC. You can't root for the Packers as a Bears fan and I'm not rooting for the Detroit Personal Fouls either. Saints won one recently, the NFC East teams are all plenty loathable, and I just don't care about the Falcons.
 
2011-12-20 02:33:12 PM
Quasar: Why do we keep praising these guys for leading their teams back from huge deficits THAT THEY GOT THEM INTO IN THE FIRST PLACE?

On Fark, the ideal QB performance is 10/39 with 4 INTs and 20 throwaways but a very impressive 30 yard drive to get their team in field goal position.

That puts you in the hall of fame. All-time great.
 
2011-12-20 02:33:16 PM
ancker: other rookie QBs that are doing well.

Tebow isn't a rookie, goddamnit.
 
2011-12-20 02:33:36 PM
GAT_00: Interesting that you consider being a Michigan fan an insult.

Doesn't everyone?
 
2011-12-20 02:34:32 PM
GAT_00: IamKaiserSoze!!!: GAT_00: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Gat is about five >s lower than Tebow.

Classy person with unwarranted personal attacks.

You forget that you fired a salvo at me for being a mindless neocon and Michigan fan a couple months ago.

I was just biding my time for the reply

Interesting that you consider being a Michigan fan an insult.


Nice try

Interesting that a provocateur would be so thin skinned
 
2011-12-20 02:35:28 PM
Treygreen13: Quasar: Why do we keep praising these guys for leading their teams back from huge deficits THAT THEY GOT THEM INTO IN THE FIRST PLACE?

On Fark, the ideal QB performance is 10/39 with 4 INTs and 20 throwaways but a very impressive 30 yard drive to get their team in field goal position.

That puts you in the hall of fame. All-time great.


If only Romo could manage that last one. He's got the 4 INTs with 20 throwaways part down pat.
 
2011-12-20 02:35:48 PM
bighasbeen: ancker: other rookie QBs that are doing well.

Tebow isn't a rookie, goddamnit.


Tell that to his throwing motion ho ho ho ho ho.
 
2011-12-20 02:37:36 PM
AdmirableSnackbar: Treygreen13: Quasar: Why do we keep praising these guys for leading their teams back from huge deficits THAT THEY GOT THEM INTO IN THE FIRST PLACE?

On Fark, the ideal QB performance is 10/39 with 4 INTs and 20 throwaways but a very impressive 30 yard drive to get their team in field goal position.

That puts you in the hall of fame. All-time great.

If only Romo could manage that last one. He's got the 4 INTs with 20 throwaways part down pat.


www.gamegen.com.br
 
2011-12-20 02:39:34 PM
ancker: Yeah, but no one was calling Stafford 4th string, about to be cut, will never make it in the NFL as a QB, can't throw, not tough enough, can't learn the offense, should switch positions, etc, etc ,etc.

if the media wasn't so quick to judge Tebow they wouldn't have to spend so much time backtracking and could focus on the other rookie QBs that are doing well.

/yeah right
//barely a mention of the Packers loss on SportsCenter


Because they are still the best team in football by record, and KC showed up with a great plan, Green Bay showed up looking to take a break so they don't get humilliated by the bears or lions to end the season.

/What a shiat game all round for Green Bay.
//Stafford is great QB, good arm and pretty smart for his experience.
 
2011-12-20 02:39:42 PM
AdmirableSnackbar: Ken VeryBigLiar: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Mikel Leshoure - 2nd round draft choice and expected to back up Best - Out for the season in a pre season game

Javid Best - Starts out strong and goes down to concussions in game seven with the Lions at 5-1....out for the season

Kevin Smith - Picked up as a free agent and goes off in first game only to injure ankle and being ineffective since.

Had the Lions kept any of these guys healthy they would be a game, or at worst two, back of GB.

This is why I think they should either chase Forte or offer the Jags a 1 or a 2 and a 3 for the last four good years of MJD.

You also forgot the RB (can't remember his name) who had a brain tumor that was found when he was traded for Ronnie Brown. Also, this is why you should almost never draft a RB in the 1st round (and never in the late 1st) and you certainly don't give up a king's ransom for a RB on a different team. RBs are a dime a dozen, and while it sucks that Leshoure got hurt it's still only for one season. Best was a mistake, especially because they traded up to get him. The Lions should not trade a ton for Forte or MJD, they would be better suited signing a journeyman veteran (Ronnie Brown?) and taking a RB in the third round of the draft for depth. You don't need one great RB in the NFL as it's too risky if they get hurt like Best did. You need two or three good ones.


Jerome Harrison (who, by the way, set the Browns record for rushing in a single game, with 286 yards against the Chiefs in 2009).
 
2011-12-20 02:41:10 PM
GAT_00: IamKaiserSoze!!!: GAT_00: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Gat is about five >s lower than Tebow.

Classy person with unwarranted personal attacks.

You forget that you fired a salvo at me for being a mindless neocon and Michigan fan a couple months ago.

I was just biding my time for the reply

Interesting that you consider being a Michigan fan an insult.


You call me a Michigan fan I will find you and skin you alive, I don't care if you are hiding behind 7 proxies or not.
 
2011-12-20 02:48:34 PM
Not to take anything away from Stafford, but It really does help to have a WR that defenses have to put 2-3 guys on to properly cover, and even then it's iffy. I'm a mediocre Lions fan though, so good for him. They are one of the 4 teams I like to see win(Broncos, Panthers, Eagles if Vick is playing, Lions). So obviously I rarely have much to cheer about.
 
2011-12-20 02:49:13 PM
kukukupo: GQueue: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Mikel Leshoure - 2nd round draft choice and expected to back up Best - Out for the season in a pre season game

Javid Best - Starts out strong and goes down to concussions in game seven with the Lions at 5-1....out for the season

Kevin Smith - Picked up as a free agent and goes off in first game only to injure ankle and being ineffective since.

Had the Lions kept any of these guys healthy they would be a game, or at worst two, back of GB

Their running game wasn't doing much even when Best was healthy. Their line just isn't very good at run blocking.

True, but Best had that home-run quality. He could hit a hole and rip of 50 yards even when it was bad.


Plus he is a beast at catching passes out of the backfield or from the slot, he's a good football player but probably not a good running back (who would be behind that OL though?). As far as Staff is concerned, the main thing to remember is that he's only 23 and in his first full uninjured season (so far...). He has one of the stronger arms in the league but he needs to learn some of the nuances of playing QB in the NFL, namely just throwing the ball to Megatron on just about every down. He's going to be an awesome player for a long time if he can stay healthy.

/BTW, about Leshoure, I doubt he will ever be effective after his injury. A torn Achilles is basically a death sentence for a running back. He would have been a good one too, hope I'm wrong.
 
2011-12-20 02:54:20 PM
i.imgur.com

Matt Stafford is awesome.
 
2011-12-20 02:56:26 PM
ongbok: Right now he is just about the panthers running game,

The Panthers have two top-tier RBs, they just pretty much waste them is all. If you think Carolina doesn't have a good backfield without Newton, you're a moron.

Treygreen13: On Fark, the ideal QB performance is 10/39 with 4 INTs and 20 throwaways but a very impressive 30 yard drive to get their team in field goal position.

Yeah, there isn't a brigade of people talking sh*t about Tebow for doing far better than that and acting as though 300 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, and a three-point loss after four red-zone drive failures is a better option.

bighasbeen: Tebow isn't a rookie, goddamnit.

Many leagues consider you a rookie if you played in three or fewer games the previous season. Since he had some spot throws in random games last year, he's not technically a rookie, but he's pretty much got the same amount of experience as one. He's started fewer games than Dalton and Newton, for example.
 
2011-12-20 02:56:41 PM
king cranium maximus IV: [i.imgur.com image 368x604]

Matt Stafford is awesome.


boston.3432.voxcdn.com

And his girlfriend is hotter than yours
 
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