Demeco Ryan for the win:

Ryans, in response to Shockey's comments, questioned the tight end's patriotism.

"If he's so patriotic, why was he looking at our bench instead of the flag?" Ryans asked. "Where did he come up with the number 10? Was he counting? Why was he paying attention to us during the national anthem?"

ark2612: Demeco Ryan for the win:

Ryans, in response to Shockey's comments, questioned the tight end's patriotism.

"If he's so patriotic, why was he looking at our bench instead of the flag?" Ryans asked. "Where did he come up with the number 10? Was he counting? Why was he paying attention to us during the national anthem?"

Demeco Ryan is my new favorite player.

Is this like when I look around and see who else isn't praying?

big_pth: I am also wondering why Shockey needs to go the "disrespect america" route to get fired up to play? Stupidity or steroids?

-something- about that boy ain't right. Listen to the audio right after he gets the TD (new window) (though in fairness, it probably wasn't coming from him)

Well, at least it's nice to know that all one needs to do to demonstrate their love of country is to put their hand over their heart.

WHERE IS JEREMY SHOCKEY'S FLAG PIN?!?! SECRET MUSLIM TERRORIST?

If he is such a patriot then he shouldn't disrespect the flag like that by having it tattooed on a dochebags arm.

I wonder if he watches a lot of gay porn, just so he can point out all the homosexuals.

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Approves

Win.

"proper displays of patriotism"? Like, for example, an American flag tattoo?
What a douchebag.

Methinks his lack of relevance might be getting to him.

"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

This sums up my thoughts on Jeremy Shockey.

Marcus Aurelius: Jeremy Shockey wears his patriotism on his sleeve.
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In other words, he's a moron.

The "common clay of the New West"?

bottsicus: Methinks his lack of relevance might be getting to him.

Hey, Shockey was ROY, is a 4 time pro bowler and 2 time Super Bowl champion, and now he gets to catch passes from the Best in the World.
Stop hatin'

The Bestest: bottsicus: Methinks his lack of relevance might be getting to him.

Hey, Shockey was ROY, is a 4 time pro bowler and 2 time Super Bowl champion, and now he gets to catch passes from the Best in the World.
Stop hatin'



Best in the World.

I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey: I believe he was in New York when 9/11 happened (but I might be wrong on that).

You are. He was still at Miami.

That event severely bloated American patriotism in the area, and most New Yorkers I've had to deal with in daily life generally seem to flaunt their love of the country more than others.

/native Nutmegger

..and now you're talking out your ass.
I can't personally speak for all New Yorkers, but for me, the reactionary "patriotism" that resulted sickens me. I long for the day when we can finally have a 7th inning stretch without GBA. I'd go into a longer spiel, but then this post would belong in the politics tab.

The Bestest: I can't personally speak for all New Yorkers, but for me, the reactionary "patriotism" that resulted sickens me. I long for the day when we can finally have a 7th inning stretch without GBA. I'd go into a longer spiel, but then this post would belong in the politics tab.

GBA? Game Boy Advance? Georgia Building Authority? Green Building Alliance?

The Bestest: bottsicus: Methinks his lack of relevance might be getting to him.

Hey, Shockey was ROY, is a 4 time pro bowler and 2 time Super Bowl champion, and now he gets to catch passes from the Best in the World.
Stop hatin'

I dunno if the Giants Super Bowl counts, as Shockey spent the game getting loaded in one of the owner's boxes.

Shockey can't hear your criticisms over the sound of how patriotic he is.

The Bestest: bottsicus: Methinks his lack of relevance might be getting to him.

Hey, Shockey was ROY, is a 4 time pro bowler and 2 time Super Bowl champion, and now he gets to catch passes from the Best in the World.
Stop hatin'

And this year, he's got a whopping 32 catches for 432 yards, ranking him just ahead of Marcedes Lewis, and just behind Anthony Fasano!

Hey Shockey: If you're so much more patriotic why are they the ones wearing red, white, and blue? Glass houses, biatch.

The Smails Kid: "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

I only saw this for the first time the other day here on Fark, but I am already getting sick of it. It is basically stating that as somebody who will probably never fight in a war I can not question the judgment of another American because they are a soldier. Nevermind the fact that this title does not make them infallible, and too much of what soldiers are doing lately is not 'providing me' with any 'freedom' or even necessarily protecting me.
And my statement is not anti-soldier in any way (though maybe anti-government), except for these ones with a low level of intelligence or at least the willingness to listen to somebody who has not served and treat them with just as much respect as I would treat them.

mynameisdouglas: The Smails Kid: "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

I only saw this for the first time the other day here on Fark, but I am already getting sick of it. It is basically stating that as somebody who will probably never fight in a war I can not question the judgment of another American because they are a soldier. Nevermind the fact that this title does not make them infallible, and too much of what soldiers are doing lately is not 'providing me' with any 'freedom' or even necessarily protecting me.
And my statement is not anti-soldier in any way (though maybe anti-government), except for these ones with a low level of intelligence or at least the willingness to listen to somebody who has not served and treat them with just as much respect as I would treat them.

FYI (new window)

mynameisdouglas: The Smails Kid: "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

I only saw this for the first time the other day here on Fark, but I am already getting sick of it. It is basically stating that as somebody who will probably never fight in a war I can not question the judgment of another American because they are a soldier. Nevermind the fact that this title does not make them infallible, and too much of what soldiers are doing lately is not 'providing me' with any 'freedom' or even necessarily protecting me.
And my statement is not anti-soldier in any way (though maybe anti-government), except for these ones with a low level of intelligence or at least the willingness to listen to somebody who has not served and treat them with just as much respect as I would treat them.

You'll get over it buttercup.

mynameisdouglas: The Smails Kid: "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

I only saw this for the first time the other day here on Fark, but I am already getting sick of it. It is basically stating that as somebody who will probably never fight in a war I can not question the judgment of another American because they are a soldier. Nevermind the fact that this title does not make them infallible, and too much of what soldiers are doing lately is not 'providing me' with any 'freedom' or even necessarily protecting me.
And my statement is not anti-soldier in any way (though maybe anti-government), except for these ones with a low level of intelligence or at least the willingness to listen to somebody who has not served and treat them with just as much respect as I would treat them.

I'm gonna rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull!

I have seen the movie, but it has been a while. It is the sentiment expressed that angers me. Maybe in the context of the film it is more understandable.

If he's so patriotic enough to have a hard on for 'merica, perhaps he should enlist and ship out with the other members of the armed forces.

Snort: FYI (new window)

Yeah, that's nice. Most of the wars the US fights in have no material affect on the freedom of US citizens, unless you're laboring under the delusion that the folks in Washington who start those wars are infallible.

you have pee hands: Snort: FYI (new window)

Yeah, that's nice. Most of the wars the US fights in have no material affect on the freedom of US citizens, unless you're laboring under the delusion that the folks in Washington who start those wars are infallible.

did.. did you even follow the link?

Jeremy Shockey, our flagboy

My flag boy and your flag boy
Sitting by the fire
My flag boy says to your flag boy
"I'm gonna set your flag on fire"
Hey now (hey now)
Hey now (hey now)
O, Legedu Naanee

Harv72b: Just be thankful we still let you vote.

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hm.. I would like to know more

The Bestest: Harv72b: Just be thankful we still let you vote.

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hm.. I would like to know more

+1.

HeathenHealer:

I'm gonna rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull!

You farked with the wrong Marine!

mynameisdouglas: The Smails Kid: "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

I only saw this for the first time the other day here on Fark, but I am already getting sick of it. It is basically stating that as somebody who will probably never fight in a war I can not question the judgment of another American because they are a soldier. Nevermind the fact that this title does not make them infallible, and too much of what soldiers are doing lately is not 'providing me' with any 'freedom' or even necessarily protecting me.
And my statement is not anti-soldier in any way (though maybe anti-government), except for these ones with a low level of intelligence or at least the willingness to listen to somebody who has not served and treat them with just as much respect as I would treat them.

You have no idea how to defend a nation. All you did was weaken a country today, that's all you did. You put people's lives in danger.

Sweet dreams, son.

gilgigamesh: In short, Jessup is the bad guy.

I recently had a very interesting talk about just that with a very smart fellow I know. He came to the conclusion that while he didn't understand that world, perhaps it was best that he didn't.

In short, COL Jessup is a bad guy for covering it up, but not for allowing it to happen. PFC Santiago's death was not intentional, though LCpl Dawson and PFC Downey were responsible for it and had to be punished. Had PFC Santiago merely gotten a beating, within reason of course, COL Jessup would have been fine in my book for covering it up. However, once PFC Santiago was dead his family deserved to know how and that is where COL Jessup screwed up.

I've never liked the bit at the end where LCpl Dawson explains to PFC Downey that what they did wrong was something like "We didn't protect those too weak to protect themselves." Had that line not been in there in order to placate the general public or non-infantry, the movie would have been even better. It is an outstanding movie and a good look at a culture that can be hard to understand, though I've no idea how much of the legal stuff was Hollywood garbage.

It isn't wrong for those on the outside or those not in the infantry to look at such things and wonder, nor does it necessarily make them a bad person for thinking ill of those types of practices. It is a case of a culture that I feel is necessary in order to forge the sort of person that must be forged.