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2011-12-20 10:47:35 AM
www.filehurricane.com
 
2011-12-20 11:07:35 AM
Heil Bloomberg! Keeping NYC safe for Rich White People for over a decade!
 
2011-12-20 11:09:44 AM
A Queens man is very upset after trying to put his trash out for collection and ending up with a ticket.

Aw, poor guy.

He, and others, are getting snared in an enforcement of a law that few people even know exists.

Hm. I wonder how much effort he put into educating himself?

The scrooge award goes to the New York City Sanitation Department for the $100 tickets.

At least we know this is going to be a well-balanced, insightful, and informative article.

Raymond Janson says he received the $100 fine for putting his garbage cans at the curb 30 minutes early.

39 minutes, actually, as will be revealed.

"I can't say how incensed I am over this," Janson says.

Except that you just, you know, did.

"Not only at the excessive amount, but the nature of the summons."

$100 fine for 39 minutes = about $2.50 a minute. Phone sex ain't even that cheap. And what nature should the summons have taken? Personal delivery with a hug and chocolate?

The Failure to Store Receptacle summons from the agent stated: "I did observe three 30 gallon plastic can(s) placed out on the public sidewalk on a non-collection day."

Damn facts.

Janson says, "We've lived here 30 years and always put the garbage out Monday and Thursday for Tuesday and Friday pickup."

Well, gosh, think of all the Failure to Store Receptacle summons you COULD have received!

It is legal to put out the trash cans the day before pick-up but the time of the day matters. City sanitation rules say the cans can be put out no earlier than 4:00 p.m. from October 1st to April 1st. Janson's ticket was written at 3:27 p.m.

Damn facts again.

"What, do they sit down the block waiting so they can go catch all of those criminals?" Janson asked.

Well, they might. But somehow I think that Sanitation Department agents aren't really the ones out there catching "criminals." They're issuing fines for, you know, sanitation violations.

He wasn't aware of the city ordinance and was upset that he didn't get a warning. He plans to fight his ticket.

Well, that's good. Ignorance is always a good excuse.

"I know the city is looking for money but this is ridiculous," Jansen says. "With all of the things wrong with this city, this is what we crack down on! Hard working, law abiding, tax paying citizens putting out their garbage 39 minutes early!"

I wonder if one of the things wrong with the city he'd be complaining about in another scenario would be all the asshats blocking the sidewalk with their garbage cans.

Fox 5 News has learned that a number of other Queens residents have also received $100 tickets for putting out the trash too early. A state senator is investigating the actions of the Sanitation Department.

Sounds like a very productive use of the State senator's time.

A department spokesman told Fox 5 News that the law is intended to keep trash cans from blocking the sidewalks. Last week, an elderly Brooklyn woman was ticketed for not having a lid on her trash cans. The woman says she doesn't even own trash cans and her nephew takes her trash from her home. She is fighting the $300 ticket.

Hm. Interesting that someone living in a city environment would feel it unnecessary to own, you know, trash cans. With, you know, lids. But hey, rats are your friends.
 
2011-12-20 11:18:54 AM
So...there's a specific time you can put out your trash cans, this guy did it at a time when you couldn't put them out, and is now upset that he was ticketed?

Interesting city you got there, New York.
 
2011-12-20 11:24:25 AM
mitchcumstein1: Interesting city you got there, New York.

Snark aside, there is actually a reason for the 6 PM rule. Trash collection is done curbside on busy streets and piles of trash bags block the sidewalks and stink up an already aromatic City. After the blizzard last year when trash collection was suspended there were piles of bags ten feet high on the sidewalks. Ticketing the guy for being a little early is a bit draconian but the rule itself makes some sense.
 
2011-12-20 11:25:40 AM
If it's enforced uniformly citywide, I have no problem with this, however...

If it's enforced uniformly citywide, that would be a first.

/fighting a bullshiat parking ticket I got on W. 43rd last month
 
2011-12-20 12:02:12 PM
Give it up for NY's Loudest
 
2011-12-20 12:11:01 PM
As a Californian, I have this to say:

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2011-12-20 12:12:52 PM
News: Man break minor law. Fark: City issues fine over minor law violation. TotalFarK: NEW YORK CITY. OH MY GOD THIS IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT! NEW YORK CITY
 
2011-12-20 01:43:10 PM
I kind of feel bad for him, but why put them out before 4PM? Is he like 1000 years old and it was bedtime?
 
2011-12-20 01:45:19 PM
My disgusting-ass neighbors have had a bag of garbage in front of their door for like a week. There's stuff starting to leak out of it and I think animals have got into it. It's really nasty. Should I call the city? I wouldn't care but I have to walk past it at least twice a day.

I call on the power of fark to help me seek petty vengeance!
 
2011-12-20 01:47:38 PM
Pocket Ninja: Well, that's good. Ignorance is always a good excuse.

I once heard there are 10,000+ different laws on the books in this country, I don't think that counts city ordinances. You probably know the exact number though because ignorance is not an excuse.
 
2011-12-20 01:48:46 PM
jOOz, can trust 'em, can't fry 'em anymore.

/always diggin' the bloomberg hate.
 
2011-12-20 01:48:55 PM
I've been a sanitation pickup engineer for the last decade, and I'd much rather have people put their trash out a bit early rather than late. I mostly work the suburbs. We run a tight schedule. There's one lady who never fails to try to flag me down after we've passed her house. She stands at the end of her driveway and waves her arms. I just shake my head and keep going. It's not my problem that you can't get it out there on time.

This other guy runs down the street in his bathrobe. He carries a big sack of garbage in both hands. I told him "No, I can't take it now." He tried to throw it into the back. The trucks don't work like that. So I took this rake handle that I keep for jams and beat the shiat out of him. He gets his trash out there on time now.

A hundred dollar fine ain't going to change this guys behavior. They need to beat the shiat out of him.
 
2011-12-20 01:49:03 PM
mynameisdouglas: I kind of feel bad for him, but why put them out before 4PM? Is he like 1000 years old and it was bedtime?

People work different shifts.

I could see a fine after a warning.

I'm surprised they haven't started ticketing people for driving without someone walking out in front of the car with a right light and ringing a bell. That law is still on the books in a lot of places.
 
2011-12-20 01:50:29 PM
I expected his name to be Klopeck.
 
2011-12-20 01:51:59 PM
This is not 'Nam. This is trash collection. There are rules.
 
2011-12-20 01:52:35 PM
TheGreatGazoo: I could see a fine after a warning.

you must have never been to the state of NY, everything here is a money grab.
 
2011-12-20 01:53:21 PM
Why is that rule only from October to whenever? Somebody above explained that snow storms sometimes preclude garbage collection. Alright.

I would think that it would be a lot easier to enforce if it was year-round. People would just get into a routine. Plus, the summer garbage is stinky enough to warrant it, I reckon.
 
2011-12-20 01:53:54 PM
i usually put mine out first thing in the morning the day before trash or recycle day. they come EARLY AS HAELL to pick it up, like 4am some days. i live in the burbs and have a short commute to the office so i really don't need to be getting up early just for some trashcanz. they have lids on them.

but since i don't live in NYC, and i dont know if fines exist or not for early trashcan put-out (lol, put out) violations here, i guess my CSB is completely unnecessary. hmmm, maybe i should go back and delete it.

nah, ill post it anyway.

/you're not getting that five seconds back, either!
 
2011-12-20 01:54:39 PM
A hundred bucks in NYC? That's like, what, five bucks everywhere else, isn't it?



/fark you, NYC, and your $18 hamburger
 
2011-12-20 01:55:12 PM
Oh well, at least this does not have to do with those Nazi towns that mandate a big garbage can on wheels, placed just right at the curb(or in the parking lane) in order for the mechanical arm on the garbage truck to pick it up... And video the garbage(along with RFID tags on the can) to make sure that human body parts are not in the recycle bin(some places do allow meat in the compost bin).

/Nice house ya got there with the big can still on the curb, as you must not be home, so i think I'll help myself to the contents of your fridge.
//No I do not have the crime rate sheet on how many more break-ins there are, since those big cans(instead of just the bags) got mandated.
 
2011-12-20 01:56:19 PM
Sanduskyed In The Shower: As a Californian, I have this to say:

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No, in California there are HOAs. Evil Nazi HOAs
 
2011-12-20 01:57:00 PM
Needlessly Complicated: My disgusting-ass neighbors have had a bag of garbage in front of their door for like a week. There's stuff starting to leak out of it and I think animals have got into it. It's really nasty. Should I call the city? I wouldn't care but I have to walk past it at least twice a day.

I call on the power of fark to help me seek petty vengeance!


Is your neighbor a multimillionaire, a billionaire, a photogenic white chick or a personal friend of Bloomberg? Y/N

If "yes," keep your mouth shut if you know what's good for you. The city may find that in your latest attempt to parallel-park your car, you were off by a tenth of a degree and thus have to pay a several-hundred-dollars fine for diagonal parking in a parallel parking area, plus court costs and driving school (as well as a possible future arrest and/or summary execution for Driving While Non-White, if applicable)

If "no," go ahead and narc on your neighbor. Let City Hall know your neighbor is all sorts of nasty - and call one of the 6 local TV stations to put your neighbor's name, face and/or address on the news and possibly get them fired from their job, because seriously, f*ck that slob for letting all that nastiness leak from their trash can.
 
2011-12-20 01:57:58 PM
In San Diego, the city tries to get you to blow the whistle on neighbors who water their lawn out of the regimented time and date windows due to the drought we had a while ago. Even number houses can water their lawn tues/thursday at 3-5 pm or some bs.

They started charging more money during the drought, which I can understand. What I don't understand is that they bumped prices again even when water levels were back to normal . Their reasoning? "We need to charge more money because people are not using enough water."
 
2011-12-20 01:58:35 PM
jagarr: i usually put mine out first thing in the morning the day before trash or recycle day. they come EARLY AS HAELL to pick it up, like 4am some days. i live in the burbs and have a short commute to the office so i really don't need to be getting up early just for some trashcanz. they have lids on them.

My trash days are Tuesday and Friday. They arrive between 4:30 and 5:30am every time. The chances of me ever getting up for that are literally zero. I set my cans out on Monday and Thursday nights. And I always do it before sun down, because there are lots of snakes in my area and I'll be damned if I am going to sneak up on one in the dark. The county can kiss my ass if they ever decide to try to stop me.
 
2011-12-20 01:59:19 PM
spentmiles just hasn't been on form since the VaTech thread...
 
2011-12-20 01:59:56 PM
Just start throwing it into the middle of the street without bags.

Just make sure you don't have anything that can trace it back to you.

I got a warning for having paper in my recycleables bin. Because you know, paper isn't recycleable. I could understand if it was food contaminated or unbroken down boxes or something, but nope. Now recycleables go in with the regular trash and I have one less bin to carry out.
 
2011-12-20 02:01:06 PM
What a piece of shiat city to live in.

I like to keep my paycheck and not have a city steal half of it. Or fine the shiat out of EVERYTHING!

No wonder Glenn Beck left!
 
2011-12-20 02:01:36 PM
Pocket Ninja:

FTA: "Last week, an elderly Brooklyn woman was ticketed for not having a lid on her trash cans. The woman says she doesn't even own trash cans and her nephew takes her trash from her home. She is fighting the $300 ticket."

Hm. Interesting that someone living in a city environment would feel it unnecessary to own, you know, trash cans. With, you know, lids. But hey, rats are your friends


I think the issue here is that she doesn't own any trash cans and doesn't put any trash out (her nephew takes it from her house) and yet, she was issued a $300 ticket for not having lids on her non-existent trash cans.
 
2011-12-20 02:01:39 PM
Hmmm, sounds like Bloomberg has created an overpriced and over-priced police state. Greatest City in the World(tm) my ass.
 
2011-12-20 02:01:39 PM
mitchcumstein1: So...there's a specific time you can put out your trash cans, this guy did it at a time when you couldn't put them out, and is now upset that he was ticketed?

Interesting city you got there, New York.


He sounds white and entitled.
 
2011-12-20 02:02:17 PM
Bush is somehow behind this.. Just waiting for the real facts to be revealed by someone in a tinfoil hat with a bag of sweet, delicious candy that drives a primered van.

/moral to the article: if you are going to put your trash out early, put it out next door... dumbasses
 
2011-12-20 02:02:30 PM
mitchcumstein1: So...there's a specific time you can put out your trash cans, this guy did it at a time when you couldn't put them out, and is now upset that he was ticketed?

Interesting city you got there, New York.


I think the issue is more that this is what the police focus on instead of...you know...real crime. To give you an example: I live in Brooklyn, blocks from where Biggie Smalls and Jay-Z grew up. In my subway station alone, I've seen drug transactions, public urination & defecation, and soliciting. The cops posted to this station tend to just hang out near the emergency exit to bust people trying to sneak in rather than stop the real crime that happens further down the subway platform.

I've received a summons for occupying more than one subway seat--even though it was 3am and only two other people were in that car. When I first got to NYC I saw a guy getting mugged as two cops looked on laughing. I see more effort placed on moving homeless people out of subways stations than walking up and down the platforms to ensure the safety of riders.

Eventually the messed up priorities that a lot of police in NYC wears thin. It's apparent that a lot of tickets are just revenue streams to the city. I'm not saying that the guy shouldn't have received his fine. He did break the rules. But if his neighborhood is anything like mine, I understand why he'd be mad. There are bigger fish to fry.
 
2011-12-20 02:05:17 PM
safari joe does it again: mitchcumstein1: So...there's a specific time you can put out your trash cans, this guy did it at a time when you couldn't put them out, and is now upset that he was ticketed?

Interesting city you got there, New York.

I think the issue is more that this is what the police focus on instead of...you know...real crime. To give you an example: I live in Brooklyn, blocks from where Biggie Smalls and Jay-Z grew up. In my subway station alone, I've seen drug transactions, public urination & defecation, and soliciting. The cops posted to this station tend to just hang out near the emergency exit to bust people trying to sneak in rather than stop the real crime that happens further down the subway platform.

I've received a summons for occupying more than one subway seat--even though it was 3am and only two other people were in that car. When I first got to NYC I saw a guy getting mugged as two cops looked on laughing. I see more effort placed on moving homeless people out of subways stations than walking up and down the platforms to ensure the safety of riders.

Eventually the messed up priorities that a lot of police in NYC wears thin. It's apparent that a lot of tickets are just revenue streams to the city. I'm not saying that the guy shouldn't have received his fine. He did break the rules. But if his neighborhood is anything like mine, I understand why he'd be mad. There are bigger fish to fry.


Knows how you feel:

d.imagehost.org
 
2011-12-20 02:06:28 PM
I doubt the guy would be happier living on my street, where people throw shyt all over the place at their convenience.
 
2011-12-20 02:06:38 PM
Headso: Pocket Ninja: Well, that's good. Ignorance is always a good excuse.

I once heard there are 10,000+ different laws on the books in this country, I don't think that counts city ordinances. You probably know the exact number though because ignorance is not an excuse.


Or he doesn't know but wouldn't use it as an excuse to waste the court's time.
 
2011-12-20 02:07:22 PM
Time to declare war on trash cans. I expect it will work out as well as the war on poverty/drugs/terror/etc.
 
2011-12-20 02:07:42 PM
safari joe does it again: I think the issue is more that this is what the police focus on instead of...you know...real crime.

Was it the cops, or the sanitation department? Because I don't think the garbage man is going to stop a drug deal.
 
2011-12-20 02:08:05 PM
Ah come on people, this is from a farking Fox affiliate, so you know it's at the very least, a distortion of the truth to paint big, bad librul gob'ment as evil. So lighten up.

FTFA: "Raymond Janson says he received the $100 fine for putting his garbage cans at the curb 30 minutes early.

What do you want to bet it was, in truth, out 12 hours early or something. All municipalities have ordinances about how long you can have your trash cans at the curb. If they didn't people would leave them out for days. In my area, they cannot be put out before 9pm the night before they are to be picked up and they have to be off the street by 6pm the day of. Now the ordinance isn't enforced anymore, since the county shut down their garbage collection service and turned it over to private companies. SO they have no way of knowing when or who will be picking up your garbage.
 
2011-12-20 02:10:01 PM
Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: /fark you, NYC, and your $18 hamburger

You got suckered into paying $18 for a hamburger in NYC?

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2011-12-20 02:10:27 PM
IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Pocket Ninja:

FTA: "Last week, an elderly Brooklyn woman was ticketed for not having a lid on her trash cans. The woman says she doesn't even own trash cans and her nephew takes her trash from her home. She is fighting the $300 ticket."

Hm. Interesting that someone living in a city environment would feel it unnecessary to own, you know, trash cans. With, you know, lids. But hey, rats are your friends

I think the issue here is that she doesn't own any trash cans and doesn't put any trash out (her nephew takes it from her house) and yet, she was issued a $300 ticket for not having lids on her non-existent trash cans.


Which makes me wonder a few things. Who owns the house her or the nephew. If she owns it, why does the nephew own the trash cans. If the nephew owns the house, why was she given a citation for a house she doesn't own violating an ordinance with a trash can she doesn't own?

If she owns the house I don't see a problem with the way things were handled. Sure she could kick her nephew's ass for being a fark up, but she owns the house it's her responsibility. If he owns the house, then he should have been given the citation.
 
2011-12-20 02:13:00 PM
Welcome to the new reality of municipal revenue generation, where actually asking city residents to pay for the services they receive is antithetical to the teabagger mindset, so you expand the definition of a "scofflaw" and pump up the fines. I can see not wanting people to have their cans outside all week in the middle of summer when you'd have rotting garbage and maggots and maybe cans overturned so that the rats and raccoons get into the action, but it's farkin' December.

You want a Merry Farking Christmas story? I go to Chicago every Xmas to spend it with family, and last year we went out to eat on Xmas Eve, as we usually do. Now, in Chicago, the former mayor outsourced parking enforcement to a private firm, and if there's anything worse than a cash-strapped city hungry for revenue, it's a private company that's desperate for revenue growth, because there's only one way to do that, isn't there?

Anyway, the way that parking works on a lot of streets is that, instead of individual parking space meters, you park, find a little green vending machine, pay for a certain amount of time, and get a little sticker/sheet that you put on the dashboard of your car that says exactly when your time expires. So, we go in two cars to the restaurant, and the one I'm in pulls over to the curb, we get out and get our sticker... and as we're going back to the car there's a parking enforcer, getting ready to write us up. We beat them back to the car, but the other car wasn't as lucky. (No idea whether they ended up beating the ticket or not.)
 
2011-12-20 02:13:04 PM
astralvortex: In San Diego, the city tries to get you to blow the whistle on neighbors who water their lawn out of the regimented time and date windows due to the drought we had a while ago. Even number houses can water their lawn tues/thursday at 3-5 pm or some bs.

They started charging more money during the drought, which I can understand. What I don't understand is that they bumped prices again even when water levels were back to normal . Their reasoning? "We need to charge more money because people are not using enough water."


So they've been learning from big business.
 
2011-12-20 02:13:43 PM
this is what happens when governments run out of money.
 
2011-12-20 02:14:38 PM
Mr. Toadcheese: Welcome to the new reality of municipal revenue generation, where actually asking city residents to pay for the services they receive is antithetical to the teabagger mindset, so you expand the definition of a "scofflaw" and pump up the fines

I don't know about you, but I do pay for the services I receive. It's called property tax.
 
2011-12-20 02:15:23 PM
Genju:
Which makes me wonder a few things. Who owns the house her or the nephew. If she owns it, why does the nephew own the trash cans. If the nephew owns the house, why was she given a citation for a house she doesn't own violating an ordinance with a trash can she doesn't own?

If she owns the house I don't see a problem with the way things were handled. Sure she could kick her nephew's ass for being a fark up, but she owns the house it's her responsibility. If he owns the house, then he should have been given the citation.


FTA: "The woman says she doesn't even own trash cans and her nephew takes her trash from her home."

The way it reads, the nephew completely removes the trash from her home. In other words, he takes it offsite and is not putting it in trash cans at that location*. I'm guessing she got fined for someone else's trash cans.

/*old people do some weird shiat
 
2011-12-20 02:15:46 PM
I've been waiting for a chance to post this to fark. Wish Boise would hand out $100 tickets for this kind of crap:

i.imgur.com
 
2011-12-20 02:16:41 PM
Genju: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Pocket Ninja:

FTA: "Last week, an elderly Brooklyn woman was ticketed for not having a lid on her trash cans. The woman says she doesn't even own trash cans and her nephew takes her trash from her home. She is fighting the $300 ticket."

Hm. Interesting that someone living in a city environment would feel it unnecessary to own, you know, trash cans. With, you know, lids. But hey, rats are your friends

I think the issue here is that she doesn't own any trash cans and doesn't put any trash out (her nephew takes it from her house) and yet, she was issued a $300 ticket for not having lids on her non-existent trash cans.

Which makes me wonder a few things. Who owns the house her or the nephew. If she owns it, why does the nephew own the trash cans. If the nephew owns the house, why was she given a citation for a house she doesn't own violating an ordinance with a trash can she doesn't own?

If she owns the house I don't see a problem with the way things were handled. Sure she could kick her nephew's ass for being a fark up, but she owns the house it's her responsibility. If he owns the house, then he should have been given the citation.


The lid-less trash cans do not belong to her or her nephew, period.
 
2011-12-20 02:17:24 PM
And I got a ticket for parking my car on the street with no front license plate. I didn't cry to the Post because I actually don't have a front license plate on my car.
 
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