Tim Tebow only proves there is no god. That or god is a die hard broncos fan and if so, then god isn't worth worshipping

My hatred of Tebow stems only from the fact that he was the largest symptom of a coach that utterly ruined the Broncos franchise, and Broncos fans that think he's the solution to a problem are myopic and representative of everything people hate about Broncos fans.

As for his religion, he's a product of the fundamentalism that plagues our country, and not a catalyst of it.

UNC_Samurai:

As for his religion, he's a product of the fundamentalism that plagues our country, and not a catalyst of it.

True, but he's also a lightning rod. The endless Jeebus talk, the SuperBowl commercial, the John 3:16. He's the nail, not the hammer.

Are all blogs so nit picky? The Pierce piece is funny and true. But he called Dobson Rev. so it must all be untrue.

The circus is televised.

Sports radio here in Mass last week was insane. It was an interesting cross section of socity that I dont often encounter calling in - fundamentalist (atheists, Christians) sports radio callers.

Is there a worse subsection of humanity? I cant think of one.

UNC_Samurai: My hatred of Tebow stems only from the fact that he was the largest symptom of a coach that utterly ruined the Broncos franchise, and Broncos fans that think he's the solution to a problem are myopic and representative of everything people hate about Broncos fans.

How do you figure this? He's looking like the best QB to come out of that draft class. Of all the things to critize McDaniels for, Tebow is not even close to the top of the list. In fact Tebow may end up being the best thing McDaniels did for the team.

The thing that annoys me about Tebow is more the media- they keep going on about what a humble person he is, how polite and wonderful and whatnot he is.

he shilled for focus on the family before he even played a single pro football game. he is not a humble man not looking to push his religion in people's faces... he is the same old tired religious AW that you run into on every other street corner in america. pretending like he isn't is a bunch of BS

if they just called a spade a spade- "Tim Tebow is a young QB who is also an extremely active evangelical who supports right-wing christian political groups and goals with his public speaking and spokesmanship" i wouldn't even care that much.

Gunny Highway: Sports radio here in Mass last week was insane. It was an interesting cross section of socity that I dont often encounter calling in - fundamentalist (atheists, Christians) sports radio callers.

It was really bad. People saying "I like the guy, I mean, I'm a Christian" to start their point. I mean, the fact that that has anything to do with whether or not you like someone is why people are so annoyed by Christians.

I don't know that this is a new fundamentalism. Sounds like the same old fundamentalism I remember when was in my early 20s.

People professing their beliefs bothers me!


I think Tebow stinks, and I think he gets too much pub, but I think "anti-theists" talk more about his religion than he does.

On a related note, have the Teebians blamed everybody else on the Broncos for the loss to the Pats? When does Skip Bayliss declare a fatwa on John Fox?

AdmirableSnackbar: I mean, the fact that that has anything to do with whether or not you like someone is why people are so annoyed by Christians.

When you hate groups in a mass, that's known as prejudice.
However, this is Fark. the word "christian" has been used as a pejorative for quite some time here.

Forget Sharia Law, here comes Tebow Law!

I'm not Christian, but if Tebow were standing on one side of the line, and anti-Christian liberals on the other, i'd gladly stand on Tebow's side.

Mr. Tebow does not bother me.
Some of his Christian followers, however, do: Those who would rather use the noise surrounding his existence to manufacture claims of "mass hatred of Christians" rather than enjoy quiet pride in the good example he sets in the context of teamwork.

Less is more when it comes to expressions of religious piety. Do good works, display forbearance, charity and humility - traits that aren't "religious" per se but can be inspired by religion - and I'll be much more willing to believe your faith is a force for good.

Jump to conclusions much subby?

"I mean I tried it hundreds of times, there's no way you can hammer in the last nail."

AdmirableSnackbar: UNC_Samurai: My hatred of Tebow stems only from the fact that he was the largest symptom of a coach that utterly ruined the Broncos franchise, and Broncos fans that think he's the solution to a problem are myopic and representative of everything people hate about Broncos fans.

How do you figure this? He's looking like the best QB to come out of that draft class. Of all the things to critize McDaniels for, Tebow is not even close to the top of the list. In fact Tebow may end up being the best thing McDaniels did for the team.

He wasted a first-round pick on a QB that requires a high-school offense to be productive. And that pick could have been used on Jahvid Best or Rob Gronkowski. McDaniels had a perfectly good QB in Orton, and with needs everywhere but that position, drafted a flashy kid with terrible delivery and limited ability to read defenses. He's a gimmicky QB playing in a gimmick offense.

So why all the Tebow hate, and Polamalu gets a pass on all his crazy religious babble? Does better stats equal greater liberty to express yourself?

Big Jimmy Oswald: So why all the Tebow hate, and Polamalu gets a pass on all his crazy religious babble? Does better stats equal greater liberty to express yourself?

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Kurmudgeon: AdmirableSnackbar: I mean, the fact that that has anything to do with whether or not you like someone is why people are so annoyed by Christians.

When you hate groups in a mass, that's known as prejudice.
However, this is Fark. the word "christian" has been used as a pejorative for quite some time here.


I probably should stay out of this one, but...

I hate the Broncos. With a passion. I'm a lifelong Browns fan, and am old enough to have watched The Drive and The Fumble live. I want nothing more than for the Broncos (and therefore Tebow) to fail miserably. I also have no use for people who bring religion into sports.

However

There are very few fundamentalists on Fark. There are a shiat-ton of religion haters. If you even try arguing that Tebow is doing alright you will be called a Tebow-loving, Jesus worshipping lunatic by twenty people. Forget having a rational discussion about football. Give Tebow any credit whatsoever and you may as well be wandering the streets in a tebow jersey forcibly baptizing children as far as the a-holes around here are concerned.

UNC_Samurai: AdmirableSnackbar: UNC_Samurai: My hatred of Tebow stems only from the fact that he was the largest symptom of a coach that utterly ruined the Broncos franchise, and Broncos fans that think he's the solution to a problem are myopic and representative of everything people hate about Broncos fans.

How do you figure this? He's looking like the best QB to come out of that draft class. Of all the things to critize McDaniels for, Tebow is not even close to the top of the list. In fact Tebow may end up being the best thing McDaniels did for the team.

He wasted a first-round pick on a QB that requires a high-school offense to be productive. And that pick could have been used on Jahvid Best or Rob Gronkowski. McDaniels had a perfectly good QB in Orton, and with needs everywhere but that position, drafted a flashy kid with terrible delivery and limited ability to read defenses. He's a gimmicky QB playing in a gimmick offense.

He's not, really. He's playing in a run-heavy pro-style offense with a read-option wrinkle. Would you rather see that and be in the driver's seat to make the playoffs or Orton run a pass-heavy pro-style offense and be in the hunt for a top-10 draft pick?

And really, you'd rather have Jahvid Best, who is on his way out of the league due to concussions already? Gronk is a great TE but he had major injury concerns with a farked up back and you don't use a first-round pick on a guy who might not ever be able to play for you. Besides, the Broncos needed a QB and whether or not you like his style he's helping the Broncos win games that they would have lost without him.

AdmirableSnackbar: Besides, the Broncos needed a QB and whether or not you like his style he's helping the Broncos win games that they would have lost without him.

I thought this thread was about Tebow , not the kicker.

UNC_Samurai: As for his religion, he's a product of the fundamentalism that plagues our country, and not a catalyst of it.

Exaggerate much? Tebow's religious beliefs (or anyone's for that matter) hurt no one. Don't project your own insecurities on the rest of this country. I'm perfectly fine with people believing (and expressing those beliefs) in whatever they choose. Primarily, because I'm not a child, but secondarily because I'm confident in my own intellect.

UNC_Samurai: McDaniels had a perfectly good QB in Orton,

I can't tell if you are serious. Are thinking about the same Orton? The same guy that managed to only win 4 games in 17 opportunities.

UNC_Samurai: AdmirableSnackbar: UNC_Samurai: My hatred of Tebow stems only from the fact that he was the largest symptom of a coach that utterly ruined the Broncos franchise, and Broncos fans that think he's the solution to a problem are myopic and representative of everything people hate about Broncos fans.

How do you figure this? He's looking like the best QB to come out of that draft class. Of all the things to critize McDaniels for, Tebow is not even close to the top of the list. In fact Tebow may end up being the best thing McDaniels did for the team.

He wasted a first-round pick on a QB that requires a high-school offense to be productive. And that pick could have been used on Jahvid Best or Rob Gronkowski. McDaniels had a perfectly good QB in Orton, and with needs everywhere but that position, drafted a flashy kid with terrible delivery and limited ability to read defenses. He's a gimmicky QB playing in a gimmick offense.

...but was also going to bring a massive stream of revenue to whatever team drafted him.

People seem to forget that the NFL is just as much about money as it is about football.

And the anit-Tebow side fails to realize that he is successful, for the most part. As bad as he has been, he is improving week after week. Now he's going to get an actual off-season where he is will get the majority of the snaps. If he still sucks when he learns the offense, then he can be written off. And in the mean time, maybe Denver will draft him an actual receiver that can catch the damn ball.

Flappyhead: AdmirableSnackbar: Besides, the Broncos needed a QB and whether or not you like his style he's helping the Broncos win games that they would have lost without him.

I thought this thread was about Tebow , not the kicker.

It is about Tebow. And he's helping the Broncos win games whether you like it or not.

The Tebowing thing is kinda funny...

That being said, I could really give a shiat less who he prays to. The media blow-job machine around Tebow and the cognitive dissonance around him by certain posters on this site is what irks me.

That wasn't a hysterical rant that Tebow is ushering in Fundamentalism. It was a hysterical rant that someone wrote a well-written piece that confronts Tebow's religion, which he himself willingly puts on public display, and boldly calls critique of it fair game.

AdmirableSnackbar: He's looking like the best QB to come out of that draft class.

Let's give this some time to play out. It takes QBs more time to develop and because of that they often have a longer wait for the opportunity to play. Kafka, Skelton, and Joe Webb might end up better, and right now most people would take last year's OROY Bradford over Tebow. I would, though he has suffered a bit of a sophomore slump this season.

downtownkid: If you even try arguing that Tebow is doing alright you will be called a Tebow-loving, Jesus worshipping lunatic by twenty people. Forget having a rational discussion about football.

Please stop whining. I've been the biggest Tebow critic since day one and the religion thing has never come up.

Things like, not completing a pass until late in the 3rd are more along the lines of my reasonings.

downtownkid: There are very few fundamentalists on Fark. There are a shiat-ton of religion haters. If you even try arguing that Tebow is doing alright you will be called a Tebow-loving, Jesus worshipping lunatic by twenty people. Forget having a rational discussion about football. Give Tebow any credit whatsoever and you may as well be wandering the streets in a tebow jersey forcibly baptizing children as far as the a-holes around here are concerned.

Conversely, if someone expresses the desire that Tebow keep his beliefs more to himself, they get called a "religion hater" by people like you. So, stalemate.

MugzyBrown: People professing their beliefs bothers me!


I think Tebow stinks, and I think he gets too much pub, but I think "anti-theists" talk more about his religion than he does.

That would be quite an accomplishment considering he practically never shuts up about it, and then goes around singing Christian contemporary songs when he runs out of talking points.

Wasilla Hillbilly: MugzyBrown: People professing their beliefs bothers me!


I think Tebow stinks, and I think he gets too much pub, but I think "anti-theists" talk more about his religion than he does.

That would be quite an accomplishment considering he practically never shuts up about it, and then goes around singing Christian contemporary songs when he runs out of talking points.


You're right, this country was founded on restricting people's freedom of speech; it's what makes America great.

Well, it's almost over, but it was a neat fad.

Someday we'll look back on this and laugh like we did for the Super Bowl Shuffle and Brian Bosworth.

murp0837: Tebow's religious beliefs (or anyone's for that matter) hurt no one.

Google "northern Ireland" and get back to me on that. Also, Tebow and his ilk are a bunch of anti-gay bigots. They are horrible people.

downtownkid: Wasilla Hillbilly: MugzyBrown: People professing their beliefs bothers me!


I think Tebow stinks, and I think he gets too much pub, but I think "anti-theists" talk more about his religion than he does.

That would be quite an accomplishment considering he practically never shuts up about it, and then goes around singing Christian contemporary songs when he runs out of talking points.


You're right, this country was founded on restricting people's freedom of speech; it's what makes America great.

The f*ck are you talking about? Are you seriously that deluded?

murp0837: UNC_Samurai: As for his religion, he's a product of the fundamentalism that plagues our country, and not a catalyst of it.

Exaggerate much? Tebow's religious beliefs (or anyone's for that matter) hurt no one. Don't project your own insecurities on the rest of this country. I'm perfectly fine with people believing (and expressing those beliefs) in whatever they choose. Primarily, because I'm not a child, but secondarily because I'm confident in my own intellect.


Your statement is completely off. I never said his particular beliefs hurt anyone. I said he's the product of fundamentalism. That one stupid super bowl ad aside, Tebow himself hasn't been an active participant in the culture war.

As for the greater problem of religious zealotry plaguing our culture and infesting our politics, there is nothing "insecure" about seeing Christian fundamentalism poison politics and society. From the personhood amendment in Mississippi, to attempting to cut funding for women's health services because of the abortion boogeyman, to blue laws, to The Family's efforts to make homosexuality an offense punishable by death in Uganda, to perpetuating problems in Israel/Palestine - if you you think I'm "insecure" because the Religious Right in this country, there's no hope in educating you.

Rapmaster2000: Well, it's almost over, but it was a neat fad.

Someday we'll look back on this and laugh like we did for the Super Bowl Shuffle and Brian Bosworth.

Only if Tebow becomes a b-movie action star.

Sandor at the Zoo: Forget Sharia Law, here comes Tebow Law!


The f*ck are you talking about? Are you seriously that deluded?

mynamebackwards: AdmirableSnackbar: He's looking like the best QB to come out of that draft class.

Let's give this some time to play out. It takes QBs more time to develop and because of that they often have a longer wait for the opportunity to play. Kafka, Skelton, and Joe Webb might end up better, and right now most people would take last year's OROY Bradford over Tebow. I would, though he has suffered a bit of a sophomore slump this season.

Meh, I don't like Bradford as a QB. I think he's a better QB than Oklahoma has produced in quite some time but that's not saying much. I think he showed promise last year but I continue to doubt that he's ever going to be a good NFL QB. Kafka and Webb will never start regularly and if they do (especially Webb) something has gone horribly wrong. Skelton is intriguing because he has a similar record to Tebow but his TD:Turnover ratio (a Kolb-ish 10:12 for his career) along with poor completion percentage and yards per attempt stats indicate that he's got a longer way to go than Tebow.

downtownkid: Sandor at the Zoo: Forget Sharia Law, here comes Tebow Law!


The f*ck are you talking about? Are you seriously that deluded?

Grow a sense of humor, son.

/and perhaps I should grow one as well?

AdmirableSnackbar: I think he showed promise last year but I continue to doubt that he's ever going to be a good NFL QB

Bradford has like no support. Other than than the Broncos WR they picked up and Steven Jackson, can you even name another player on offense?

Not to mention, he played hurt for a while if I'm not mistaken.

AdmirableSnackbar: along with poor completion percentage and yards per attempt stats indicate that he's got a longer way to go than Tebow.

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UNC_Samurai: Your statement is completely off. I never said his particular beliefs hurt anyone. I said he's the product of fundamentalism. That one stupid super bowl ad aside, Tebow himself hasn't been an active participant in the culture war.

As for the greater problem of religious zealotry plaguing our culture and infesting our politics, there is nothing "insecure" about seeing Christian fundamentalism poison politics and society. From the personhood amendment in Mississippi, to attempting to cut funding for women's health services because of the abortion boogeyman, to blue laws, to The Family's efforts to make homosexuality an offense punishable by death in Uganda, to perpetuating problems in Israel/Palestine - if you you think I'm "insecure" because the Religious Right in this country, there's no hope in educating you.

I agree 100% with this. I'm willing to give Tebow a pass on the FotF association because of how he was brought up. And considering that he hasn't publicly appeared on their behalf before or after that one instance I think it's not only fair to let it go but stupid to continue to bring it up.

The problem is that there is too much of an "us vs them" on both sides. Not every Christian is out to get us nonbelievers and too many Christians only really care about other Christians and everone else can eat a dick. There are far too many on each side of the fence that only continue to promote those ideas to those on the other side. I like Tebow and I'm as annoyed by the people who like him only because of his religion as everyone else on Fark. I'm just not going to let those people influence my opinion of Tebow himself or ruin my enjoyment of watching him run - and win with - an "outdated" offense that can't win in the NFL.

Flappyhead: Big Jimmy Oswald: So why all the Tebow hate, and Polamalu gets a pass on all his crazy religious babble? Does better stats equal greater liberty to express yourself?

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Criticizing Tebow for his play is fair and nothing anyone should be offended by. But who gives a shiat who he prays to? If people are really offended by his fundamentalism, why are the beliefs of other high-profile, deeply-religious athletes (like Troy "I can see demons" Polamalu, Reggie "The Minister of Defense" White, or the '99 Rams-a team rife with proselytizers) ignored? Does better on-field performance mean people are willing to overlook personal beliefs they would otherwise be take offense to?

InferiousX: AdmirableSnackbar: along with poor completion percentage and yards per attempt stats indicate that he's got a longer way to go than Tebow.

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Skelton's completion percentage is not much better than Tebow's and his YPA is much worse. And his TD:INT ratio shows that he's not only a poor passer but he makes poor decisions, whereas Tebow is a poor passer that makes good decisions. If I have to run an offense with a poor passer, I'll take the one who makes better decisions and is more productive. Passing mechanics can be fixed much more easily than decision-making.

Big Jimmy Oswald: Flappyhead: Big Jimmy Oswald: So why all the Tebow hate, and Polamalu gets a pass on all his crazy religious babble? Does better stats equal greater liberty to express yourself?

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Criticizing Tebow for his play is fair and nothing anyone should be offended by. But who gives a shiat who he prays to? If people are really offended by his fundamentalism, why are the beliefs of other high-profile, deeply-religious athletes (like Troy "I can see demons" Polamalu, Reggie "The Minister of Defense" White, or the '99 Rams-a team rife with proselytizers) ignored? Does better on-field performance mean people are willing to overlook personal beliefs they would otherwise be take offense to?

Tebow makes every other "overly" religious public figure pale in comparison. As you say, who gives a shiat who he prays to? After awhile, any person who near constantly proclaims anything - whether a relgious belief (or lack thereof) or political stance, or what their favorite movie is - becomes extremely annoying to a lot of people. So is it not OK for those people to then say, "Man, I wish that guy would just keep it to himself"?