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(MSNBC)   Library of ancient and priceless documents burned in Egypt. This is not a repeat from 48 BC, 270 AD, 391 AD and maybe 642 AD   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 178
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2011-12-19 07:12:07 PM  
i.imgur.com
Puzzled.....
 
2011-12-19 07:12:15 PM  
In 48 BC wouldn't they have been Contemporary Texts?
 
2011-12-19 07:13:29 PM  
Can we please start moving these items the fark out of there now? Please. This makes me sick.
 
2011-12-19 07:13:49 PM  
Carnegie was obviously a dirty pinko.
 
2011-12-19 07:14:50 PM  

cptjeff: Ambivalence: Andromeda: Plus a burnt book regardless is just farking tragic IMO.

Eh...I wouldn't cry over a book on Tax law going up in flames. Or Twilight. Lord knows there's too many copies of that monstrosity out in the world. (not that I would willfully burn a book, unless my life depended on it no matter how much it sucked.)

My dog likes to chew hardcovers. Instead of fighting it, we eventually gave in, and provide her with books from the free pile of the local used book store. She finished twilight not too long ago, and is currently working on one of Rush Limbaugh's screeds.


Take that away form her! Lord only knows what she could catch from it.
 
2011-12-19 07:15:34 PM  
Maybe

Just maybe

We should stop building libraries in Egypt.
 
2011-12-19 07:16:54 PM  
My organization gives grants to digitize texts. We are always, always criticized in the media and by our own govt for wasting taxpayers' money on things like this. :(
 
2011-12-19 07:17:04 PM  
This is why, in case of a fire, the stacks of the Rare Book Library at Yale will seal themselves off and simply suck the air out of the space.
 
2011-12-19 07:18:57 PM  
That was easy.
 
2011-12-19 07:19:48 PM  
i566.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-19 07:20:10 PM  

Seraphym: Indubitably: Can you imagine the shiat that was lost in the past conflagration?

I can.

It tantalizes my mind at night, the knowledge lost...


You know who else cursed ancient fools for all the knowledge lost by ignorance and apathy throughout time?

[i257.photobucket.com image 580x600]


Nope, ignorant.

I am ignorant; you?

;)
 
2011-12-19 07:20:45 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: My organization gives grants to digitize texts. We are always, always criticized in the media and by our own govt for wasting taxpayers' money on things like this. :(


I interned for several months at the State Law Library. The have a nice scanner, and huge piles of material waiting to be scanned. What they don't have in the budget to hire somebody to do the scanning. From a total staff of five, to a total staff of two thanks to the budget cuts. I spent most of my time there catching uip the cataloging that hadn't been done in over a year.

Thanks, short-sighted legislature that doesn't know what the hell it is doing!
 
2011-12-19 07:20:48 PM  
Nice job, short-sighted assholes. While you're at it, why not tear down the pyramids and remove the last reason in the world anyone would come to your country and spend money to help rebuild your economy?

This is exactly why you need to get your god out of your government--it makes otherwise reasonable human beings do some seriously farked-up stuff that often amounts to cutting off their nose to spite their face.
 
2011-12-19 07:21:05 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: My organization gives grants to digitize texts. We are always, always criticized in the media and by our own govt for wasting taxpayers' money on things like this. :(


fark those farkers.
 
2011-12-19 07:22:23 PM  

Indubitably: Seraphym: Indubitably: Can you imagine the shiat that was lost in the past conflagration?

I can.

It tantalizes my mind at night, the knowledge lost...


You know who else cursed ancient fools for all the knowledge lost by ignorance and apathy throughout time?

[i257.photobucket.com image 580x600]

Nope, ignorant.

I am ignorant; you?

;)


I'm thinking maybe a Stargate reference?

Otherwise, yer wacky-tabacky...
 
2011-12-19 07:22:45 PM  

turbidum: This is why, in case of a fire, the stacks of the Rare Book Library at Yale will seal themselves off and simply suck the air out of the space.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-12-19 07:24:28 PM  
I'm watching 'Cleopatra' right now so I'm getting a kick.
 
2011-12-19 07:24:42 PM  
Now if they had just allowed some other nation to house their treasures in secured museums and libraries, this wouldn't happen to so many of their books / artefacts / whatevers at the same time.
 
2011-12-19 07:26:07 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Seraphym: Indubitably: Can you imagine the shiat that was lost in the past conflagration?

I can.

It tantalizes my mind at night, the knowledge lost...


You know who else cursed ancient fools for all the knowledge lost by ignorance and apathy throughout time?

[i257.photobucket.com image 580x600]

Nope, ignorant.

I am ignorant; you?

;)

I'm thinking maybe a Stargate reference?

Otherwise, yer wacky-tabacky...


If only Right Click -> Properties gave some sort of nugget of information to base a Google search off of.

/shirak
 
2011-12-19 07:27:19 PM  
media.tumblr.com

Hey, who turned out the lights?
 
2011-12-19 07:30:02 PM  
This is terrible :(

/wimpers and cries
 
2011-12-19 07:31:10 PM  
Somewhere, Guy Montage and James Dunworthy are weeping.

/Second one might be obscure even on Fark.
 
2011-12-19 07:32:09 PM  

Dr.Fey: Andromeda: Plus a burnt book regardless is just farking tragic


[www.beautiful-libraries.com image 400x225]


i was thinking along the lines of

"Our situation has not improved."
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-12-19 07:32:58 PM  
I would be pretty bummed if our rare book collection burned. I am currently working on making some digitized pages of the Boston Molasses Flood available on our website. Need to do some politicking to make it happen.
 
2011-12-19 07:34:03 PM  
Digitize everything please =c I don't trust people around physical forms of information.
 
2011-12-19 07:37:33 PM  
Could have been worse. Some chick on a fellowship grant could have used it as toilet paper after pissing inside a pyramid.
 
2011-12-19 07:37:39 PM  

Indubitably: I'm thinking maybe a Stargate reference?

Otherwise, yer wacky-tabacky...


The eyes give it away. Raistlin Majere from the Dragonlance series of books.
 
2011-12-19 07:39:36 PM  
"When the government wants to protect something, they do," el-Bindari said. "Try to reach the Interior Ministry or Defense Ministry buildings. You won't be able to."

I thought I'd seen this movie before...

Oil ministry an untouched building in ravaged Baghdad (new window)


Subby: This is not a repeat from 48 BC, 270 AD, 391 AD and maybe 642 AD

War never changes...
 
2011-12-19 07:40:01 PM  

Barakku: Digitize everything please =c I don't trust people around physical forms of information.


I hope you're being clever because otherwise /facepalm.
 
2011-12-19 07:40:06 PM  

LazarusLong42: James Dunworthy


Kivrin Engle wouldn't think so.
 
2011-12-19 07:41:36 PM  

Barakku: Digitize everything please =c I don't trust people around physical forms of information.


i2.crtcdn1.net
 
2011-12-19 07:41:58 PM  
Let's thank the British explorers for all that stuff they brought back for the British Museum, the Victoria & Albert, etc.
 
2011-12-19 07:42:02 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: My organization gives grants to digitize texts. We are always, always criticized in the media and by our own govt for wasting taxpayers' money on things like this. :(


Canadians criticize you for doing that? I'm appalled.
 
2011-12-19 07:43:04 PM  
Optical media like CDs and DVDs can degrade after just a decade. Magnetic media isn't 100% reliable either. So what's the solution for wanting to digitize ancient texts indefinitely? Go through a refresh cycle every few years where new media is used? Use a 3rd party hosting solution which already implements redundancy in their infrastructure and hope they stick around?
 
2011-12-19 07:43:29 PM  
Wow. The Library of Alexandria Reenactment Society has really gotten out of hand.
 
2011-12-19 07:45:06 PM  
Hey HawASS, still think it's a good idea all of your national treasures should be kept in one shiatty museum in Cairo? So glad that asshole got fired. Yeah, I know this didn't take place in the Cairo Museum, but the same thought still applies.
 
2011-12-19 07:46:35 PM  
how hard is it to install a non-water fire suppression system?
 
2011-12-19 07:47:04 PM  
Dammitsomuch! It'll be another 7 or 800 years before we get close to flying cars again! Freemasons don't want us plebs to have any fun.
 
2011-12-19 07:47:32 PM  

Talon: In this age of digital photograph and digital storage... how can the information possibly be lost? Did no one ever think to photograph these documents for posterity? The article makes it seem like more than just the physical objects (valuable in their own right) were forever lost.


That was my first question. If the books/documents had been digitized, we wouldn't be losing information, just old books. Not to take anything away from old books, but the chief value to history and humanity lies in the content, not the vehicle. Libraries should digitize rare books ASAP in order of scarcity/uniqueness.
 
2011-12-19 07:47:57 PM  

Prattle Assassin: Dr.Fey: Andromeda: Plus a burnt book regardless is just farking tragic


[www.beautiful-libraries.com image 400x225]

Yeah, seems to be a theme for this guy:

[i.imgur.com image 460x300]
"It tells me . . . that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of BURNING them!"


/She was the only earthly love in my life, yet....
I never knew, nor ever learned, her name."


Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus
 
2011-12-19 07:48:24 PM  

beer4breakfast: Optical media like CDs and DVDs can degrade after just a decade. Magnetic media isn't 100% reliable either. So what's the solution for wanting to digitize ancient texts indefinitely? Go through a refresh cycle every few years where new media is used? Use a 3rd party hosting solution which already implements redundancy in their infrastructure and hope they stick around?


Microforms.
 
2011-12-19 07:48:26 PM  

beer4breakfast: Optical media like CDs and DVDs can degrade after just a decade. Magnetic media isn't 100% reliable either. So what's the solution for wanting to digitize ancient texts indefinitely? Go through a refresh cycle every few years where new media is used? Use a 3rd party hosting solution which already implements redundancy in their infrastructure and hope they stick around?


Realistically, I don't think it will be possible to settle on just one media for very long and it isn't feasible to keep rescanning things. Maybe just keep changing the file type as technology updates? From jpeg to pdf to whatever for eternity. I don't think that anything is as good as having the originals on hand. And not having all of those originals stored in the same place.
 
2011-12-19 07:50:15 PM  

jasimo: Talon: In this age of digital photograph and digital storage... how can the information possibly be lost? Did no one ever think to photograph these documents for posterity? The article makes it seem like more than just the physical objects (valuable in their own right) were forever lost.

That was my first question. If the books/documents had been digitized, we wouldn't be losing information, just old books. Not to take anything away from old books, but the chief value to history and humanity lies in the content, not the vehicle. Libraries should digitize rare books ASAP in order of scarcity/uniqueness.


i dont think the information contained in a rare books collection is what makes them expensive or priceless. I am all for digitizing materials though.
 
2011-12-19 07:51:31 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: If this was America, Republicans would approve. (new window)


Andromeda: Plus a burnt book regardless is just farking tragic IMO.


"...where they burn books, they will ultimately burn people also.."--- Heinrich Heine
 
2011-12-19 07:52:43 PM  

Now I Is!: "...where they burn books, they will ultimately burn people also.."--- Heinrich Heine


Soylent Books?
 
2011-12-19 07:52:53 PM  

gadian: beer4breakfast: Optical media like CDs and DVDs can degrade after just a decade. Magnetic media isn't 100% reliable either. So what's the solution for wanting to digitize ancient texts indefinitely? Go through a refresh cycle every few years where new media is used? Use a 3rd party hosting solution which already implements redundancy in their infrastructure and hope they stick around?

Realistically, I don't think it will be possible to settle on just one media for very long and it isn't feasible to keep rescanning things. Maybe just keep changing the file type as technology updates? From jpeg to pdf to whatever for eternity. I don't think that anything is as good as having the originals on hand. And not having all of those originals stored in the same place.


Microforms. They have a 500 year life span if kept in a controlled environment. They could burn up like the books but what are the odds of both the microform and the book burning? Microforms can be read with the naked eye if necessary and are pretty easy to store. They are not as user friendly as digital copies but they are a great backup if preservation of information is the ultimate goal.
 
2011-12-19 07:54:09 PM  

Coelacanth: Just fark them all. If you burn your past, you have no right to a future.


TFA: The volunteers, ranging from academic experts to appalled citizens, have spent the past two days trying to salvage what's left of some 192,000 books, journals and writings, casualties of Egypt's latest bout of violence.

Yeah, fark you guys too!

Probably a couple of punks who were using the riots as cover for some mayhem. May not have even known what they set fire to, though I doubt they cared.
 
2011-12-19 07:55:58 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Prattle Assassin: Dr.Fey: Andromeda: Plus a burnt book regardless is just farking tragic


[www.beautiful-libraries.com image 400x225]

Yeah, seems to be a theme for this guy:

[i.imgur.com image 460x300]
"It tells me . . . that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of BURNING them!"


/She was the only earthly love in my life, yet....
I never knew, nor ever learned, her name."

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus


Eco's description of the burning library is one of the most dis-heartening passages I've ever read...
 
2011-12-19 08:00:45 PM  

Gunny Highway: Microforms. They have a 500 year life span if kept in a controlled environment. They could burn up like the books but what are the odds of both the microform and the book burning? Microforms can be read with the naked eye if necessary and are pretty easy to store. They are not as user friendly as digital copies but they are a great backup if preservation of information is the ultimate goal.


Encode the digital image in quaternary and translate that to DNA. Construct Human artificial chromosomes and create a new peasant class of "librarians" to "carry" the books.
 
2011-12-19 08:06:58 PM  
son of a biatch.
Still mad over this.
 
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