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(MSNBC)   Library of ancient and priceless documents burned in Egypt. This is not a repeat from 48 BC, 270 AD, 391 AD and maybe 642 AD   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 178
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2011-12-19 04:55:24 PM  
 
2011-12-19 04:57:39 PM  
Well, thankfully this won't be as devastating a cultural loss as the previous burnings.
 
2011-12-19 05:00:05 PM  
That's what I do when I have overdue books. Burn down the library.
 
2011-12-19 05:05:21 PM  
another leap forward for the dark continent
 
2011-12-19 05:08:48 PM  
When do we start taking antiquities away from savages and keep them in foreign museums for safe keeping?
Wait, what? We used to do that and we stopped?
Never mind.
 
2011-12-19 05:31:20 PM  
In this age of digital photograph and digital storage... how can the information possibly be lost? Did no one ever think to photograph these documents for posterity? The article makes it seem like more than just the physical objects (valuable in their own right) were forever lost.
 
2011-12-19 05:34:14 PM  

Talon: Did no one ever think to photograph these documents for posterity?


That was my first thought. Well, did they? Is it on the Internet?
 
2011-12-19 05:40:04 PM  

namatad: When do we start taking antiquities away from savages and keep them in foreign museums for safe keeping?
Wait, what? We used to do that and we stopped?
Never mind.


Because People in power are Stupid: If this was America, Republicans would approve. (new window)

 
2011-12-19 05:40:09 PM  

This About That: Talon: Did no one ever think to photograph these documents for posterity?

That was my first thought. Well, did they? Is it on the Internet?


FTFA- It was home to a treasure trove of writings, most notably the handwritten 24-volume Description de l'Egypte, compiled during the 1798-1801 French occupation.

Looks like at least this was digitized - Link (new window)
 
2011-12-19 05:44:11 PM  

Talon: In this age of digital photograph and digital storage... how can the information possibly be lost? Did no one ever think to photograph these documents for posterity? The article makes it seem like more than just the physical objects (valuable in their own right) were forever lost.


Old documents are valuable for far more than just the information they contain. Some of it was digitized. But try getting a grant to digitize old manuscripts. Its much harder than it should be.
 
2011-12-19 05:56:12 PM  

Dinki: Looks like at least this was digitized


Well, good, except the combination of Flash, Flashblock, and their amateur web site prevents me from looking at it unless I take the trouble to figure out what is the problem.
 
2011-12-19 06:00:34 PM  
...goddamn. I might have strange priorities, but this makes me more depressed than most things I've heard lately.

For those asking why they didn't just digitize, while I'm sure the most famous pieces were my university library here in the first world is having trouble digitizing everything, and they have way more money and fewer books than this library did from the sounds of it. Plus a burnt book regardless is just farking tragic IMO.
 
2011-12-19 06:18:18 PM  

Andromeda: Plus a burnt book regardless is just farking tragic



www.beautiful-libraries.com
 
2011-12-19 06:27:45 PM  
I submitted this with pretty much the same headline.
 
2011-12-19 06:28:24 PM  
Just fark them all. If you burn your past, you have no right to a future.
 
2011-12-19 06:28:59 PM  
Digitize? Blarch.

What happens when the future cannot read the data because the codex wasn't included with it.

If you don't include a Rosetta stone of sorts, there is no way digitized data will escape the problems of the past. You'd actually need two codices. One for reading the data, then another for deciphering whatever the data says.

And this is assuming the 1's and 0's don't rapidly degrade.
 
2011-12-19 06:29:22 PM  

Andromeda: Plus a burnt book regardless is just farking tragic IMO.


Eh...I wouldn't cry over a book on Tax law going up in flames. Or Twilight. Lord knows there's too many copies of that monstrosity out in the world. (not that I would willfully burn a book, unless my life depended on it no matter how much it sucked.)
 
2011-12-19 06:31:13 PM  
Can you imagine the shiat that was lost in the past conflagration?

I can.

It tantalizes my mind at night, the knowledge lost...

Damn.
 
2011-12-19 06:34:50 PM  

meat0918: Digitize? Blarch.

What happens when the future cannot read the data because the codex wasn't included with it.

If you don't include a Rosetta stone of sorts, there is no way digitized data will escape the problems of the past. You'd actually need two codices. One for reading the data, then another for deciphering whatever the data says.

And this is assuming the 1's and 0's don't rapidly degrade.


As a librarian in the heritage library field I can say we're pretty much on top of this. As a matter of fact, one of the major digital archiving packages is called Rosetta. The stumbling block is a matter of money and manpower.
 
2011-12-19 06:42:45 PM  
The actual text:

"Here I sit all lonely hearted
Came to shiat and only farted"
 
2011-12-19 06:42:47 PM  
Damn.
Now I'll never learn that the Earth orbits the Sun.
 
2011-12-19 06:43:12 PM  

thisispete: meat0918: Digitize? Blarch.

What happens when the future cannot read the data because the codex wasn't included with it.

If you don't include a Rosetta stone of sorts, there is no way digitized data will escape the problems of the past. You'd actually need two codices. One for reading the data, then another for deciphering whatever the data says.

And this is assuming the 1's and 0's don't rapidly degrade.

As a librarian in the heritage library field I can say we're pretty much on top of this. As a matter of fact, one of the major digital archiving packages is called Rosetta. The stumbling block is a matter of money and manpower.


I'm a librarian and historian also. This news makes me ill. :(
 
2011-12-19 06:43:47 PM  

Talon: In this age of digital photograph and digital storage... how can the information possibly be lost? Did no one ever think to photograph these documents for posterity? The article makes it seem like more than just the physical objects (valuable in their own right) were forever lost.


A lot haven't gotten around (or gotten the money) to digitize their old records. It's not like you can just run these things through a Ricoh scanner.
 
2011-12-19 06:45:08 PM  
First it's the books. What's next? The valley of the kings?
 
2011-12-19 06:45:22 PM  

Talon: In this age of digital photograph and digital storage... how can the information possibly be lost? Did no one ever think to photograph these documents for posterity? The article makes it seem like more than just the physical objects (valuable in their own right) were forever lost.


It's not just the words that hold information. It's in the physical materials themselves, too.
 
2011-12-19 06:46:19 PM  
200 years old? That's like last week in Egyptian history. Remember that, kids, when you complain about American History class.
 
2011-12-19 06:47:06 PM  

Ambivalence: Andromeda: Plus a burnt book regardless is just farking tragic IMO.

Eh...I wouldn't cry over a book on Tax law going up in flames. Or Twilight. Lord knows there's too many copies of that monstrosity out in the world. (not that I would willfully burn a book, unless my life depended on it no matter how much it sucked.)


My dog likes to chew hardcovers. Instead of fighting it, we eventually gave in, and provide her with books from the free pile of the local used book store. She finished twilight not too long ago, and is currently working on one of Rush Limbaugh's screeds.
 
2011-12-19 06:47:25 PM  
Thats horrible! Who could have done such a thing?
 
2011-12-19 06:49:58 PM  

thisispete: meat0918: Digitize? Blarch.

What happens when the future cannot read the data because the codex wasn't included with it.

If you don't include a Rosetta stone of sorts, there is no way digitized data will escape the problems of the past. You'd actually need two codices. One for reading the data, then another for deciphering whatever the data says.

And this is assuming the 1's and 0's don't rapidly degrade.

As a librarian in the heritage library field I can say we're pretty much on top of this. As a matter of fact, one of the major digital archiving packages is called Rosetta. The stumbling block is a matter of money and manpower.


Oh, I was semi-aware of what was necessary.

I think there is even a movement to keep in storage a few of the old floppy readers as well, even the massive ones, as well as CD-ROMs and various jazz drives, Zip drives, etc.

I'd like to think we're also keeping some engineering drawings for equipment.
 
2011-12-19 06:50:09 PM  

This About That: Dinki: Looks like at least this was digitized

Well, good, except the combination of Flash, Flashblock, and their amateur web site prevents me from looking at it unless I take the trouble to figure out what is the problem.


Well, you'll just have to find another way to read it. Or if you're in Europe, go read the copy in Australia.
 
2011-12-19 06:51:13 PM  

Shostie: Well, thankfully this won't be as devastating a cultural loss as the previous burnings.


Never should have repatriated all the stuff the europeans stole.
 
2011-12-19 06:55:26 PM  
I thought we had an understanding to stop storing artifacts in Egypt so they wouldn't get trashed?

=Smidge=
 
2011-12-19 06:55:56 PM  
Wow.

Not many armchair archaeologists here, eh?

Figures.

Tits, magoo!
 
2011-12-19 06:56:40 PM  
Anyone blamed the brown shirts yet?
 
2011-12-19 06:58:44 PM  

meat0918: I think there is even a movement to keep in storage a few of the old floppy readers as well, even the massive ones, as well as CD-ROMs and various jazz drives, Zip drives, etc.

I'd like to think we're also keeping some engineering drawings for equipment.



The library of Congress is the worlds largest buyer of obsolete media equipment. They have huge stores of 8 track players, laserdisk, betamax, cartridge and turntables, and stuff to play every other obscure media format. Floppy drives, zip disks... they've got it all, lots of it, and for exactly that reason.

And, of course, they're working on digitizing absolutely everything they have. In multiple formats.
 
2011-12-19 06:59:18 PM  

Bio-nic: Anyone blamed the brown shirts yet?


I did, but for something entirely unrelated.
 
2011-12-19 07:00:50 PM  

meat0918: thisispete: meat0918: Digitize? Blarch.



I think there is even a movement to keep in storage a few of the old floppy readers as well, even the massive ones, as well as CD-ROMs and various jazz drives, Zip drives, etc.

I'd like to think we're also keeping some engineering drawings for equipment.


I have an OLD desktop that hasn't run in I don't know how long, but it has an LS-120 drive in it, and somehow, I'm keeping that. I still have some stuff I backed up onto LS-120 media and we used some LS-120 digital cameras at work about 12 years ago. I also have a 3.5" floppy drive that, while designed to dock into a laptop, also will connect with a USB cable.

At the very least I'll get the box with the LS-120 back running long enough to hook a USB hard drive up to it.
 
2011-12-19 07:00:53 PM  

Dr.Fey: Andromeda: Plus a burnt book regardless is just farking tragic


[www.beautiful-libraries.com image 400x225]


Yeah, seems to be a theme for this guy:

i.imgur.com
"It tells me . . . that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of BURNING them!"


/She was the only earthly love in my life, yet....
I never knew, nor ever learned, her name."
 
2011-12-19 07:01:03 PM  

cptjeff: Ambivalence: Andromeda: Plus a burnt book regardless is just farking tragic IMO.

Eh...I wouldn't cry over a book on Tax law going up in flames. Or Twilight. Lord knows there's too many copies of that monstrosity out in the world. (not that I would willfully burn a book, unless my life depended on it no matter how much it sucked.)

My dog likes to chew hardcovers. Instead of fighting it, we eventually gave in, and provide her with books from the free pile of the local used book store. She finished twilight not too long ago, and is currently working on one of Rush Limbaugh's screeds.


Best be careful about the Limbaugh, gave my dog horrific gas.
 
2011-12-19 07:02:54 PM  
That farking sucks.
 
2011-12-19 07:02:55 PM  
THere are a lot of narrow minded and bitter little farkers here, of all stripes.
 
2011-12-19 07:03:43 PM  

JonBuck: It's not just the words that hold information. It's in the physical materials themselves, too.


As a preservationist, so much this. You can't just create a digital copy of the text and then throw the original in the trash can.
 
2011-12-19 07:04:00 PM  

Clash City Farker: Thats horrible! Who could have done such a thing?


I blame the Corpo della Gendarmeria.

/Probably found something saying Moses was a child molester or something.
 
2011-12-19 07:04:22 PM  
"Dude, you have no library."
 
2011-12-19 07:05:18 PM  

Indubitably: Can you imagine the shiat that was lost in the past conflagration?

I can.

It tantalizes my mind at night, the knowledge lost...


You know who else cursed ancient fools for all the knowledge lost by ignorance and apathy throughout time?

i257.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-19 07:05:33 PM  
Egypt is in such disarray... If only they could put some sort of supreme leader in place to stop this chaos once and for all.

/The sooner we tear down the old, rotten structure, the sooner we can build a new, rotten structure.
 
2011-12-19 07:05:40 PM  

Crewmannumber6: THere are a lot of narrow minded and bitter little farkers here, of all stripes.


Thank you so much for that important update!
 
2011-12-19 07:09:06 PM  
If it isn't in the Bible/Koran then it's not worth keeping.
 
2011-12-19 07:11:36 PM  
Because People in power are Stupid
If this was America, Republicans would approve. (new window)


Maximum trolling. Even you can't be that stup... I stand corrected, you are that stupid.
 
2011-12-19 07:11:42 PM  

Talon: In this age of digital photograph and digital storage... how can the information possibly be lost? Did no one ever think to photograph these documents for posterity? The article makes it seem like more than just the physical objects (valuable in their own right) were forever lost.


There are plenty of hi-res digital images of it, so why waste all that time and trouble preserving and restoring the Sistine Chapel or the Mona Lisa?

We already know what the words are, so why bother hanging onto those old Gutenberg Bibles?

/see how that doesn't make sense?
 
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