Crotchrocket Slim: nicoffeine: epoc_tnac: Sleeping Monkey: People can do other safe, legal drugs like drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes.


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That's what I hate about the war on drugs. All day long we see those commercials: "Here's your brain, here's your brain on drugs", "Just Say No", "Why do you think they call it dope?" ...

And then the next commercial is "This Bud's for yooouuuu." C'mon, everybody, let's be hypocritical bastards. It's okay to drink your drug. We meant those other drugs. Those untaxed drugs. Those are the ones that are bad for you.

Look, I liked Bill as a comedian. I think he was funny.

But, as long as you think he was some sort of god damned philosopher of the ages, you're going to run into problems. The first, that he was completely unaware of the world around him. There really are more dangerous drugs than booze. He found this out the hard way. He was an idiot savant, thinking more than he knew.

Like a Ferrari with 10 gallons of gas vs. a Sentra with a full tank.

Hicks should have been paying George Carlin- a far more intelligent, and funnier man- royalties every time Hicks did his act. All I have to say.

I totally get it.

Comedians copy each other as a matter of course. They only change the words as a way of making themselves timely(I guess that would be the word if it really mattered). Hicks had a way of connecting with people of my generation, and I appreciate it as much as I smirk at his jokes. There are worse things than alcohol, and weed isn't one of them. But the hero worship blinds those who haven't been that far, and it hurts his (and Carlin's) message, as much as it hurts those at the altar.

gshepnyc: Why is it that people who are drawn to authoritarianism - the ones who want to be the people who make and enforce the rules about everything or who want to make sure that SOMEONE does - are so frequently the least well informed and the least able to make good decisions?

If you can think rationally and are well informed you will oppose authoritarianism. Unless you can determine that you will be able to secure the authority, then it's just a measured risk.

i dont like the synth mj, 'spice' whatever you want to call it. they provide 'lab reports' for it now on all the big web sites. it makes my heart race and while i do get very strong head highs from it, it feels artificial. that's the best way to describe it. i skip it when offered because it just makes me uncomfortable. it is no substitute for the real thing. my friends love it because its 'speedy' but i have enough anxiety issues without contributing stimulating substances to the pot.

FROGSTOMPER: I don't think people are doing these drugs because weed is illegal.

I know that anecdotes are not the end all be all but there was like atleast 3 or 4 people just in this thread alone that said they bought the stuff after they couldn't get their hands on some weed. Seems like most people would not be buying it if weed was available.

nicoffeine: gweilo8888: Jim_Callahan: Meh, alcohol's only more dangerous by nature because it's manufactured in quantities where it's possible to OD, and if you've got a strong enough habit going cold-turkey can fark you up. The immediate danger is usually from judgement impairment, which is a common property of basically every drug that's not a mild stimulant (caffeine, nicotene, weak doses of "focusers").

Rubbish. Show me anybody who's died of a pot overdose, or going cold turkey from pot. It's piss easy to find people who've done both with alcohol, and not just because it's readily available -- it's basically not realistically possible to do with pot. (I'm sure there's some threshold, like there is for anything including water, but it's not one anybody reaches, whereas with alcohol it's commonly reached.)

As for impairment, those who are badly impaired on pot typically don't have the drive (no pun intended) to get up off the sofa and walk, let alone drive a vehicle. Drunks don't have that problem.

He said, "more." Are you high?

He made a completely idiotic and unsupportable claim that the only reason alcohol is more likely to cause an OD is because it's more available, and hence suggested that if pot was readily available, it would be similarly likely to cause OD fatalities.

But I guess you were too high to understand that.

People will always try to alter their perception of the world. There is nothing you can do about this. No matter WHAT people will seek out ways to alter their brain chemistry. Kids hold their breath until they try to black out, for example.
NOTHING will EVER change this. Buddhists meditate until they fall over, for example. Nothing will EVER change this. We're hard wired for it.

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Better than watching babbys being born.

Jake Havechek: FROGSTOMPER: blah blah blah blah blah

You sure you're not still smoking? You made no point at all in your rambling statement.

sorry for the rambling.

no I quit smoking because of work, not that I'll never smoke again but surprisingly, I like life without it better. Maybe one day when I get my sailboat I'll anchor off some island and fire up a fat doob.

The point I was trying to make was that even if weed were legal, it's my opinion that the kind of people doing these synthetics would likely still be doing them, others here have the opinion that they are using them because weed is illegal. I think they are a different type of user and it's a different type of drug like crack, nobody argues that people do crack because weed is ilegal.

gweilo8888: nicoffeine: gweilo8888: Jim_Callahan: Meh, alcohol's only more dangerous by nature because it's manufactured in quantities where it's possible to OD, and if you've got a strong enough habit going cold-turkey can fark you up. The immediate danger is usually from judgement impairment, which is a common property of basically every drug that's not a mild stimulant (caffeine, nicotene, weak doses of "focusers").

Rubbish. Show me anybody who's died of a pot overdose, or going cold turkey from pot. It's piss easy to find people who've done both with alcohol, and not just because it's readily available -- it's basically not realistically possible to do with pot. (I'm sure there's some threshold, like there is for anything including water, but it's not one anybody reaches, whereas with alcohol it's commonly reached.)

As for impairment, those who are badly impaired on pot typically don't have the drive (no pun intended) to get up off the sofa and walk, let alone drive a vehicle. Drunks don't have that problem.

He said, "more." Are you high?

He made a completely idiotic and unsupportable claim that the only reason alcohol is more likely to cause an OD is because it's more available, and hence suggested that if pot was readily available, it would be similarly likely to cause OD fatalities.

But I guess you were too high to understand that.

Um, I wish?

I agree with you.

That should be obvious... unless...

you're high?

Ugh. I'd blaze a pound of Mexican ditch dirt before trying the best batch of that synthetic plant-poison crap. Luckily, I don't have to.

♫ Oh Sour Diesel, you are a friend of mine... ♫

VictorOfBorge: One kid to another: "Hey try this shiat... it's legal and will get you stoned!"

Second kid: "Why not?" "It's legal and it can't be that bad."

later... 911 Operator: "What's your emergency?"

another kid: "My friend's not breathing!" "It's like she's trying to but she's turning blue and can't get any air in her lungs."

911: "Does she have a pulse?"

kid: "Oh god, I can't tell!" "Please hurry and get here!!!"

Yup, overly dramatic... still, the tapes are out there... mulitple versions of them.

Too bad the little snow flakes weren't taught not to put shiat they have no idea about into their bodies. Oh well... DARWIN! HE SHOOTS! HE SCORES!!!

That's actually pretty intriguing. Do you have any links?

oh, I've tried some of this weird weed too, so I'm not comparing it to crack or saying it all makes you crazy, just that some people buy it for other reasons than "pot is illegal

nicoffeine: He said, "more." Are you high?



I agree with you.

That should be obvious... unless...

you're high?

You have a strange and rather confrontational manner of agreeing.

Unless... you're high?

Headso: FROGSTOMPER: I don't think people are doing these drugs because weed is illegal.

I know that anecdotes are not the end all be all but there was like atleast 3 or 4 people just in this thread alone that said they bought the stuff after they couldn't get their hands on some weed. Seems like most people would not be buying it if weed was available.

maybe.

It's just hard for me to imagine that weed is that hard to get, I know it would be a lot easier if you could buy it in a store. I wouldn't buy it in a store anyway though I'd grow it.

FROGSTOMPER: I don't think people are doing these drugs because weed is illegal. Head shops started selling it because they can't sell weed but even if weed were legal now they would still sell bath salts and this crap because dumb-asses would still want it.

You're forgetting the other half of "enforcement" -- employers that piss test.

gweilo8888: nicoffeine: He said, "more." Are you high?



I agree with you.

That should be obvious... unless...

you're high?

You have a strange and rather confrontational manner of agreeing.

Unless... you're high?

Close. I'm drunk.

I'm just saying that there's more to intoxication than drunk
You can keep believing it's all the same, and with weed, I'll always insist it's less. But much of what's less is not true. It took me 25 years to kick nicotine, and alcohol and caffeine will always be an issue, here. I won't pretend it's all the same as any powder, and I'll insist so to the grave.

Sin_City_Superhero: FROGSTOMPER: I wouldn't buy it in a store anyway though I'd grow it.

I'd buy it. Growing the good shiat ain't as easy as one might think. Let someone else do the work.

That's because you live in Sin City, I live out in the woods and grew about 15 plants one year with buds as orange as cheese.

in somebody else's woods of course

FROGSTOMPER: Headso: FROGSTOMPER: I don't think people are doing these drugs because weed is illegal.

I know that anecdotes are not the end all be all but there was like atleast 3 or 4 people just in this thread alone that said they bought the stuff after they couldn't get their hands on some weed. Seems like most people would not be buying it if weed was available.

maybe.

It's just hard for me to imagine that weed is that hard to get, I know it would be a lot easier if you could buy it in a store. I wouldn't buy it in a store anyway though I'd grow it.

growing it is great if you want to wait like 4 months before smoking

Make pot legal and you won't have people smoking crap like this.
Plain and simple.

Why aren't people baking banana peels anymore????

rikkidoxx: Why aren't people baking banana peels anymore????

Talk seriously to me, brother.

jfivealive: Who the hell formatted that article? Its a Salvia spice gnome conspiracy

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Came to see if anyone else commented on this.

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nicoffeine: Close. I'm drunk.

I'm just saying that there's more to intoxication than drunk
You can keep believing it's all the same, and with weed, I'll always insist it's less. But much of what's less is not true. It took me 25 years to kick nicotine, and alcohol and caffeine will always be an issue, here. I won't pretend it's all the same as any powder, and I'll insist so to the grave.

I never said it was all the same. I said alcohol and tobacco are more harmful than pot. They're less harmful than plenty of other things.

You would appear to be arguing with the wrong person. ;-)

gweilo8888: nicoffeine: Close. I'm drunk.

I'm just saying that there's more to intoxication than drunk
You can keep believing it's all the same, and with weed, I'll always insist it's less. But much of what's less is not true. It took me 25 years to kick nicotine, and alcohol and caffeine will always be an issue, here. I won't pretend it's all the same as any powder, and I'll insist so to the grave.

I never said it was all the same. I said alcohol and tobacco are more harmful than pot. They're less harmful than plenty of other things.

You would appear to be arguing with the wrong person. ;-)

I'm arguing with... um... hey how bout some Baileys?

if you can get a hold of this....do it


/its like weed cock punching you

We've had a few kids, here in NC, die from smoking the incense stuff. Two of them were hit by a damn train!

WhoGAS: moops: These synthetic herbal blends are dangerous. They are also inferior to marijuana, which has a 5,000-year record of successfully getting the job done.

I just wish I knew where to score a stanky, cerebral high-inducing bag of sativa (no indica plox). And I live in farking Oregon.


Sativa

Gram Eighth Quarter
The Flav $20 $60 $110
Blue Dream $20 $60 $110
Green Diesel $15 $50 $90
Kali Mist $15 $50 $90
Grapefruit $10 $40 $70

That's just from the one shop I regularly go to. They have some hybrids and sativas, too. Tons of edibles and pills, though. That's what I get. Living in a condo is not good for smoking; rude to the neighbors.

The cali residency will cost you 10% of your income in state tax, another 10% in sales tax, and a farkload in housing.

Not woth it. Much cheaper to pay the fine if you're caught in Oregon.

The ONLY reason people are doing this bullshiat is because of drugs tests/probation requirements PERIOD. Every person I know who is currently using this shiat is because of a drug test requirement for work or because they are on probation and this shiat doesn't show up on drug tests. Another victory for the war on drugs!

organic platinum og kush. i wish i could share with you farkers come january!!

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if you can get a hold of this....do it


/its like weed cock punching you



Raise ya.

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if you can get a hold of this....do it


/its like weed cock punching you

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Raise ya.

Bud butter?..

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if you can get a hold of this....do it


/its like weed cock punching you

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Raise ya.

glassgnost: khyberkitsune: tweek46420: [www.wherestheweed.at image 387x385]

if you can get a hold of this....do it


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Raise ya.

Bud butter?..

RGR extract. heat/vacuum purged, then heat/centrifuge separated. That's raw CBD.

Jim_Callahan: It's also worth noting that alcohol is supposed to be illegal,

Excuse me, are you posting from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, Bahrain, Libya or any other dirty Mooslem hellhole where alcohol purchase and consumption is proscribed?

With chat like that, you certainly come across as someone who hates freedom.

Ed Finnerty: jfivealive: Who the hell formatted that article? Its a Salvia spice gnome conspiracy

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Came to see if anyone else commented on this.

I allowed script after script thinking, why they fark did they use javascript to format the article text?

All scripts allowed, still 8pt font with only line breaks.

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Well, you can set a minimum font size in Firefox -- or use [view]-->[zoom] -- or get the NoSquint addon and set a default zoom level (I use 150%)...

Oh shiat son that is an unreadable site.

I love how HS educated police have become the go-to experts on what's medically dangerous about one thing or another. You'd think news outlets would defer to doctors, but I guess MD education is only good enough to offer opinions about mundane things like cancer and brain surgery. Plus the police look so expert on TV shows.

khyberkitsune: glassgnost: khyberkitsune: tweek46420: [www.wherestheweed.at image 387x385]

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/its like weed cock punching you

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Raise ya.

Bud butter?..

RGR extract. heat/vacuum purged, then heat/centrifuge separated. That's raw CBD.

They call it shatter oil at my shop. Very, very potent.

gweilo8888: Jim_Callahan: Meh, alcohol's only more dangerous by nature because it's manufactured in quantities where it's possible to OD, and if you've got a strong enough habit going cold-turkey can fark you up. The immediate danger is usually from judgement impairment, which is a common property of basically every drug that's not a mild stimulant (caffeine, nicotene, weak doses of "focusers").

Rubbish. Show me anybody who's died of a pot overdose, or going cold turkey from pot. It's piss easy to find people who've done both with alcohol, and not just because it's readily available -- it's basically not realistically possible to do with pot. (I'm sure there's some threshold, like there is for anything including water, but it's not one anybody reaches, whereas with alcohol it's commonly reached.)

As for impairment, those who are badly impaired on pot typically don't have the drive (no pun intended) to get up off the sofa and walk, let alone drive a vehicle. Drunks don't have that problem.

I'm confused, you say "Rubbish" and then basically repeat what I just said. You're not getting a toxic level of the active ingredient in marijuana (THC) unless you're working under lab conditions and have a concentrated quantity of the stuff. Not really unusual, aqueous chemicals tend to hit harder than vaporous ones and complex chemicals tend to be easier to reject than simpler ones.

I mean, you're going to screw yourself up by smoking the stuff in general before you actually suffer toxic effects from the active ingredient... basically the same deal health-wise as with cigarettes, just at a lower intensity. Nobody dies from nicotene overdose, they die from inhaling partially oxidized carbon compounds for years (and, in the case of cigarettes specifically, tar, which adds an extra layer of farkery beyond the usual radical/fine particulate issues). That doesn't apply to alcohol, since you have to take a pretty massive chunk of the stuff, relatively speaking, to even suffer an effect (drug dosages are in mg or microg, alcohol content is in ounces).

jfivealive: Who the hell formatted that article? Its a Salvia spice gnome conspiracy

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Came to complain about this as well...



Oh yea, legalize it.

The synthetic cannabinoid receptor agonists fall into seven major structural groups:

Naphthoylindoles (e.g. JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-081, AM-2201)
Naphthylmethylindoles* (JWH-185, JWH-199)
Naphthoylpyrroles* (JWH-369, JWH-370)
Naphthylmethylindenes* (JWH-176)
Phenylacetylindoles (JWH-250, RCS-4)
Cyclohexylphenols (e.g. CP 47,497 and homologues of CP 47,497)
Classical cannabinoids (e.g. HU-210)

*Compounds in these groups have not been detected in herbal blends so far.

And more are showing up everyday.
It is like playing Whack-a-mole.
The law can't keep up.
A new one just came out called AB-001

Fodder_Jack: The synthetic cannabinoid receptor agonists fall into seven major structural groups:

Naphthoylindoles (e.g. JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-081, AM-2201)
Naphthylmethylindoles* (JWH-185, JWH-199)
Naphthoylpyrroles* (JWH-369, JWH-370)
Naphthylmethylindenes* (JWH-176)
Phenylacetylindoles (JWH-250, RCS-4)
Cyclohexylphenols (e.g. CP 47,497 and homologues of CP 47,497)
Classical cannabinoids (e.g. HU-210)

*Compounds in these groups have not been detected in herbal blends so far.

And more are showing up everyday.
It is like playing Whack-a-mole.
The law can't keep up.
A new one just came out called AB-001

They'll keep up. It's more ridiculous than the drugs. Sheriff calls up and legislators add it to the list. They don't even bother talking to doctors.

tricycleracer: trippdogg: Spice has more in common with huffing paint than it does with weed. No one who has access to the real thing would smoke this crap.

Except for the fact that the synthetic stuff doesn't show up on drug tests.

That's correct. And the users wind up looking and acting just like meth users. It's nasty, nasty shiat.

krackpipe:

They'll keep up. It's more ridiculous than the drugs. Sheriff calls up and legislators add it to the list. They don't even bother talking to doctors.

The Sheriff doesn't even know what chemicals are in the herb packets that he displayed.
He doesn't even know that AB-001 exists, how can he tell legislators something he doesn't know about.
The Spice manufactures are at least 6 months ahead of the law.

There's some stuff going around for 400 an ounce that's so sticky you can mold it like clay, even though it's bud. Halfway to hashish. I'd buy more but I disassociated when I tried it. That's too intense for me.