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(Media Matters)   Ted Nugent: being poor is a choice   (mediamatters.org) divider line 941
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2011-12-19 04:48:35 PM  

Crewmannumber6: I have no problem believing that some people will sit on their ass until the unemployment runs out


Unemployment pays half of what you made before (at best). (Your State may vary, I suppose). I can't imagine there are too many people who are just fine on half their prior income.

Crewmannumber6: I'm in SW Ohio and we can't find welders with bloodhounds and a search warrant.


The job market is just that, a market. Increase the wages on offer and they will come. This will always be possible to do unless you literally need more welders than exist. (And in that case, you could train some).
 
2011-12-19 04:48:42 PM  
I will not be lectured about poor choices by a member of the band "Damn Yankees"!
 
2011-12-19 04:49:05 PM  

skullkrusher: Bloody William: I'll be happy to say that some people who are poor are responsible because of their decisions if some of the right-wingers here will admit that sometimes it really does end up being dumb luck in a society with little upward mobility and significant socio-economic stratification.

Anyone want to meet me halfway?

sure, I'll take that

/resume thread
//poverty is a choice/poverty is always out of someone's hands


But here's the problem with the current policy environment: We want to do everything that we can to abuse the minority of lazy indolent people who are slurping up the government largesse so damn the collateral damages to the vast majority of impoverished people who are poor because we (as a society) actively made them poor and continue the policies that allow for their poverty.

So the thing is that it's the next step that's the important step. I think everybody can agree that lazy malingerers shouldn't be getting our tax dollars to continue their lifestyles. But how big a problem is that? And what are the tradeoffs in imposing draconian sanctions on all poor people?
 
2011-12-19 04:49:10 PM  

Headso: "conservatives" can still be jealous of poor people as much as they want but you just gotta keep in mind that the social services they use are good for the economy and are a cheaper alternative than a world without help for the poorest Americans.


What I find amazing is that all of you idiots lump conservatives into this category, when dems just throw a bit of money at it and hope it goes away. More religious groups give more money/space/volunteers than the government ever does but none of you will admit that fact.

Hypocrites.
 
2011-12-19 04:49:24 PM  

skullkrusher: EyeballKid: olddinosaur: Hmmm, let's see:

Plan 1: Graduate high school with no money but a desire to succeed;
Flip burgers all day, deliver pizzas every night, mow lawns on weekends;
Save your money and spend all your spare time learning something useful;
Seize an opportunity when one comes along.

Plan 2: Drop out of school and lay on your ass all day;
Smoke a lot of dope, and drink all the beer you can lay hands on;
Suck on the titty every chance you get: Welfare food stamps, unemployment, etc.
Mooch off all your friends, that way you won't have any friends;
Sit around and b*tch all day because the world owes you a living,
Be bitter because what you have and what you think you deserve are well short of one another;
Make absolutely, positively sure that you NEVER take blame for your own misfortune, and everything that goes wrong is always someone else's fault.

Ought to work well enough.


Wow, what a brilliant dichotomy! Who forwarded it to you?


The difference between the left and the right is very simple: the right sees everything in black and white, ones and zeros; the left sees everything in shades, a continuum. There's a place for black-and-white thinking and there's a place for thinking in a spectrum.

Reality, it's thinking in a continuum. Decisiveness and action requires modeling reality with ones and zeros.

Actions and decisions are discrete: you either do it or you don't. You don't get to build 38% of a bridge. Reality is continuous: the needs for a bridge will change over time (bridge to nowhere?), the costs to build the bridge will change over time, other opportunities to use the money allocated for the bridge may become more or less pressing over time. And, of course, the will to commit to the bridge, its costs and needs and short-term and long-term changes to the local environment (both natural as well as business) will change over time.

A good governing administration will accept incomplete, non-discrete, muddied information that represents reality, and apply a pre-set, well-grounded methodology to determine, based on the information, a decision to go or not go.

What we need, as the electorate, is to know what that methodology is, and see the transparency of it working. For the most part, in most places, whether it's run by D's or R's, there's a methodology and it's implemented rather transparently.

We don't like people who are indecisive (the D's) and we certainly don't like people who view reality as ones and zeros (the R's).
 
2011-12-19 04:49:53 PM  

birchman:
Apparently yes, there are not enough jobs and also a plethora of well paying jobs available. Or something.


That is correct, sir.
 
2011-12-19 04:49:53 PM  

earthworm2.0: Crewmannumber6: It is a choice for SOME, not all. I have no problem believing that some people will sit on their ass until the unemployment runs out, but just aas many others want to work given the chance.

I'm in SW Ohio and we can't find welders with bloodhounds and a search warrant.

I know 3 guys right now who are qualified and.looking for welding gigs.


Can they work in Canada? We've just bought $38 Billion worth of ships, not enough welders to go around.
 
2011-12-19 04:49:56 PM  

skullkrusher: steamingpile: Thats why youre not poor, using common sense.

sometimes I do splurge

/Skyrim, here I come


I refuse to let another MMO suck me in, that was my poor common sense.
 
2011-12-19 04:50:24 PM  
Theodore Nugget. Wang Dang Sweet Poontang political statesman.
 
2011-12-19 04:50:43 PM  

oneodd1: If you had argued that you wouldn't get much further than one quintile away from where your parents started you would have at least been factual. Since when do we need to put down achievement because you can't go from homeless to 1 percenter in a generation?


Fine, but if we're going to get statistical, let's show what the quintiles are.

0-$18,500
$18,501-34,738
$34,739-55,331
$55,332-88,030
$88,030+

If you're born into a poor family, you have a 17% chance of ever making more than $55,000. The deck is stacked.
 
2011-12-19 04:50:47 PM  
Dear Ted Nugent

I have found that the people who make these choices you insist on being punishable offenses, are also the people that purchase your albums, go to your shows, and are those who think that you have something intelligent to say.

I know that you cannot comprehend irony, as it is not something you can shoot and kill, but to the rest of us, it is hilarious.

-The thinking world.
 
2011-12-19 04:50:48 PM  
Its hard to choose to be rich and then be it. But Ted, it's very easy to choose to be poor and be that.

Prove your theory.
 
2011-12-19 04:50:58 PM  
I don't have a strong stance on this, since there's simply not enough data out there.

But I do want to say that there are absolutely poor people that are poor due to their decisions. Nothing is stopping someone from getting a degree in a high-demand field. The government offers subsidized loans for the duration of your degree. If you have chosen your degree and your college wisely those loans will not be a burden when you graduate. I can't imagine too many situations that couldn't have started with "I took a Stafford loan and went to a university to study Engineering..."

On the other hand, the people who run up tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt for a low-demand degree and then complain that they haven't landed their dream job deserve exactly what they get, which is (or at least should be) nothing. When you spend years of your life studying something, you are accepting the risk of making yourself dependent on the public utility of that skill.
 
2011-12-19 04:51:00 PM  
FTA: The more our government embraces the private sector, the more opportunity there is available for people who choose it. That will be good for kids.

AKA: remove child labor laws
 
2011-12-19 04:51:12 PM  

brantgoose: Erewhon


You know Erehwon is no where spelled backward. :) Do they still have stores in Chicago.?
 
2011-12-19 04:51:36 PM  

Trivia Jockey: Does anybody else find it interesting that most of the people who share Mr. Nugent's attitude have never been poor in their entire lives?


But you see that's the thing. When someone who goes from poor to rich under the circumstances that they literally worked hard to get to that point they usually learn some humility and will respect the fact that hard work made things possible for them and as easy as it came it can all go in an instant.

However the people who know nothing about being poor and were raised by people who didn't instill within them the fact that they are very lucky will abuse their position. And if they ever do become poor they will most likely see suicide as a better alternative as to having to wipe their own ass for a change.
 
2011-12-19 04:51:44 PM  

poot_rootbeer: I will not be lectured about poor choices by a member of the band "Damn Yankees"!


Good point.
 
2011-12-19 04:51:55 PM  
I honestly would love to see Ted Nugent try to stay downwind, close and take some game down with his bow.

And I mean a wild, old-time animal. The breeding stock of what little is left over hasn't had a lot of predators (excluding mini-vans and drunks with semi-automatics) stalking them for decades.

/bear-baiting wasn't hunting
/sitting on a pole waiting for game used to humans to come down a trail isn't hunting
/sitting in a recliner biatching about old fat white guys isn't hunting either...but at least I can't shoot myself in the foot...now gout and bedsores...
 
2011-12-19 04:52:50 PM  

Occam's Nailfile: Trivia Jockey: Occam's Nailfile: It's amazing what people can do when they decide that they don't want to be a victim of circumstance

If you think it's a simple case of cause-and-effect, you're living in a dream world. In reality, it's not that simple -- for every person like the women you describe, there's a person of equal desire who hasn't experienced the same rate of success.

Desire? Sure. Discipline? I doubt it.

The vast majority of people who are poor are poor as a direct result of decisions they have made, and remain poor as a direct result of the decisions they continue to make.

I would personally like to see people be forced to participate in life management classes as a condition of receiving any sort of aid not related to age or disability. Want your monthly check? Come to one class a week, and pass the tests that are given. Take the cost of the class out of what they would have received in welfare/food stamps - because the value of the classes would FAR exceed the handout. People in remote areas could study remotely with workbooks and such, or on the internet if they have access.

Welfare rolls would drop like a rock, both from people who were unwilling to attend the classes, and people who attended them, and rose above the cesspool of a life they were living.


yes yes - so all the corporations that took handouts / bail outs & / or filed bankruptcy - well that is just part of business

but poor folks that are underwater on their homes and declare bankruptcy are to be 're-educated' at your 're-education camps' - just don't mind the barb wire and guards, they are there for your protection.
 
2011-12-19 04:52:55 PM  

GAT_00: I_Am_Weasel: Someone with a business or in the position to hire is offering 50K jobs to every unemployed person they meet?

That sounds likely.


As the quote goes "A fool and his money are soon parted. What I want to know is how the fool got the money in the first place".

Last person I found making an offer like this was selling insurance and the income was on a per sale basis.


DING DING DING We have a winner! When I was laid off I had my resume on Careerbuilder, and I was so harassed by companies wanting me to sell insurance I felt like I owed them money.
 
2011-12-19 04:52:56 PM  

Corvus: olddinosaur: Plan 1: Graduate high school with no money but a desire to succeed;
Flip burgers all day, deliver pizzas every night, mow lawns on weekends;
Save your money and spend all your spare time learning something useful;
Seize an opportunity when one comes along.

That's called college. And if you haven't seen recently it is becoming less and less affordable for the average American.


It can also mean a trade school:

Crewmannumber6: I'm in SW Ohio and we can't find welders with bloodhounds and a search warrant.
 
2011-12-19 04:53:02 PM  

lordaction: Actually it is. Everyone that I meet that is unemployed/poor I offer a job too. Guess what, no takers ($50K+ a year). Hired maybe 5 people this year and need another 5-7. People don't want to put the effort into what it takes not to be poor.


We're all calling bullshiat on this one, mulletboy. Come on, even a one sentence job title will suffice...
 
2011-12-19 04:53:12 PM  
I've seen 4 businesses with job openings posted on the door the past week. That's a lot considering I work from home and really don't go that many places. McDonalds, Arbys, Penzey's, and a gas station. Sure, they're all low paying jobs. Sure, two of them (I believe) don't give health insurance. But the alternative is for people to stay on welfare and unemployment. As long as we keep extending unemployment benefits, people won't fill the jobs they feel they're overqualified for.

And before anyone asks, I have been underemployed in the past. When my dot com job fell through, I loaded trucks at UPS for 8 months while also holding down another part time job and attending part time college. I also didn't own a car, have cable, spend more than $30/wk on groceries (while married), etc. I did the things I needed to do in order to escape the situation of living paycheck to paycheck and being behind on my bills.

Poverty IS unfortunate and welfare IS important in order to help people recover when they hit a low spot, but we've now created a system where we pay people to stay at home and not take jobs they're overqualified for. That's a very bad thing. Nugent is a dick most of the time, but I agree with him on his basic premise.
 
2011-12-19 04:53:31 PM  

IamAwake: lordaction: Guess what, no takers ($50K+ a year). Hired maybe 5 people this year and need another 5-7.

Which is it, from these 3 options:

1) "no takers"
2) "hired maybe 5 people this year"
or, since options 1 and 2 are mutually exclusive...
3) you're full of poop


Just from the description that he hired 5 this year and need another 5-7, it sounds very much like an MLM program. Amway? Juice+? Usana? Mary Kay? Avon? WIN?
 
2011-12-19 04:53:35 PM  

Bloody William: If you're born into a poor family, you have a 17% chance of ever making more than $55,000. The deck is stacked.


What is poor though? Our entire extended family made shiat money yet all of the kids make $50K+ a year.
 
2011-12-19 04:53:54 PM  
bruegel: Do they still have stores in Chicago.?

They have one still here.
 
2011-12-19 04:54:23 PM  
Draft dodging pedophile or internet troll?

//false dichotomy.
 
2011-12-19 04:54:25 PM  
There'll never be any good schools in the 'hood
There'll never be any cops that are any good
The hospital is a great place to go to die
Real estate's cheap, let me tell ya why.
The man's got a sure fire system
A economic prison!
 
2011-12-19 04:54:42 PM  

birdmanesq: skullkrusher: Bloody William: I'll be happy to say that some people who are poor are responsible because of their decisions if some of the right-wingers here will admit that sometimes it really does end up being dumb luck in a society with little upward mobility and significant socio-economic stratification.

Anyone want to meet me halfway?

sure, I'll take that

/resume thread
//poverty is a choice/poverty is always out of someone's hands

But here's the problem with the current policy environment: We want to do everything that we can to abuse the minority of lazy indolent people who are slurping up the government largesse so damn the collateral damages to the vast majority of impoverished people who are poor because we (as a society) actively made them poor and continue the policies that allow for their poverty.

So the thing is that it's the next step that's the important step. I think everybody can agree that lazy malingerers shouldn't be getting our tax dollars to continue their lifestyles. But how big a problem is that? And what are the tradeoffs in imposing draconian sanctions on all poor people?


Giving people money isn't the best long term solution. We can improve schools, offer daycare for working parents, job training, etc and we'd still have a significant issue because culture has to change. While obtaining skills and education, putting a priority on academic and professional success, forgoing immediate satisfaction in deference to future stability, avoiding pregnancy, drugs, a criminal record, etc remain things that "rich" people do, I don't think we'll get very far.
 
2011-12-19 04:54:45 PM  
Is Grandpa off his meds again?

/Facepalm.
 
2011-12-19 04:54:45 PM  

Otto_E_Rodika: Look at me - it's no fair that I'm a poor, uneducated, single, teenaged-mother drug addict. The choices I made have nothing to do with my economic status. Now give me some money and don't judge me.


The choices this hypothetical mother made might be a result of her economic status rather than the causes of it. I'm not saying the person making bad choices is not responsible but damn can't you see how being poor could lead to bad decisions as easily as bad decisions could lead to being poor?
 
2011-12-19 04:55:12 PM  

Dokushin: the people who run up tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt for a low-demand degree and then complain that they haven't landed their dream job deserve exactly what they get, which is (or at least should be) nothing.


Downside: What's a "safe" field? As a programmer I'm painfully aware of this: any "knowledge work" is vulnerable to offshoring and/or automation.

I'm awaiting the day when entire industries come and go in the time it takes to get a degree. (But them I'm unnaturally paranoid).
 
2011-12-19 04:55:19 PM  

steamingpile: More religious groups give more money/space/volunteers than the government ever does but none of you will admit that fact.


Right, because the government has never taken on the responsibility for the true provision of social support in this country. Instead what we have is a fragmented wildly unequal provision of uncoordinated services that often come with significant strings attached to them. And, frankly, the incredibly inefficient administrative overhead of this kind of system skims off a considerable portion of goods intended for the poor. Think the government is inefficient? Check out most private charities.

And let's not act like religious or charitable provision of social services is entirely government free--it is significantly subsidized through the tax code.

So, yes, America has an enormous charitable infrastructure compared to the rest of the world, but it didn't arise out of the goodness of our hearts. It arose because the government subsidized a need.
 
2011-12-19 04:55:26 PM  

Occam's Nailfile: The vast majority of people who are poor are poor as a direct result of decisions they have made, and remain poor as a direct result of the decisions they continue to make.


the vast majority of the cause of poverty currently is the massive undervaluation of a hard day's work and a lack of jobs (the two are related)

the undervaluation of labor (as evidenced by the huge growth in worker productivity for the last 30 years, but the complete lack of significant compensation growth) that has developed in the last 30 years erodes the purchasing power of the vast majority of Americans. the erosion of the purchasing power of the largest portion of the population is a significant problem in a capitalist, market socialist, or similar form of economic system. These systems rely on the workers being able to afford to buy products that are being produced by the other workers of the economy - that is to say: these systems rely on demand for products to continue functioning. With the eroded buying power of the consumer superclass [essentially everyone not in the top 5%] the demand for products is reduced. Some of this damage to the economy was masked by the rise of credit cards during the same period - but that was just as unsustainable as the rest of the economy, it just slowed [and worsened] the inevitable economic problems.

When the financial class finally choked on their own corruption and bad mistakes and caused a credit shock to the entire system the entire house of cards came down. The financial class recovered swiftly, as they always do. Everyone else is still feeling the harsh effects - millions of jobs evaporated [on top of the millions shipped off shore to nearly slave labor conditions] and the purchasing power of the consumer class shrunk further. The people who bought overpriced homes [partially their fault, partially the banks fault] also further cause an erosion of the buying power and they lead us to the next lovely detail of the current economy.

the process of recovery for main street is being slowed by the undervaluation of labor and a hangover from the credit card binge. The consumer classes tend to [and the data shows they are] pay off their debts as much as they can immediately after an economic contraction. This money going to pay off their debt corresponds to less demand for products now (and artificially high demand for products before).

down and up turns in market based economies are self reinforcing cycles


so to attempt to sum up poverty as "they're all lazy/drug addicts/stupid" is just as stupid as saying every person in the top 1% is a greedy unsympathetic bastard
 
2011-12-19 04:55:39 PM  
When does he transition from "shredding" guitar guy to Fox "analyst"?
 
2011-12-19 04:55:40 PM  
I put together a training class for MCITP-EA certifications for 7 people I knew that had been laid off from their crappy blue collar jobs. (I've been an instructor for several years, as well as working a day job. The School I worked for went under, so I had free time). I offered to do it because I love teaching, and they needed to get into something different. When teaching for students who were paying for it, they always did the homework and studied. These people, who were getting $10,000 worth of education for free (I also put up the money to purchase a large amount of equipment for the training, so it was identical to a normal classroom environment) never did their homework. My paying students ALL went ahead with getting their certs, and now ALL have jobs. I still get called from time to time for a reference. The folks who didn't pay, to a person, have not gone so far as to take a single test. So I can see a point in Ted's statement, though he sounds like a friggin' moron the way he puts it.
 
2011-12-19 04:55:46 PM  

soakitincider: in some instances, being poor is a choice, but most of the time, it is something that people are born into, or left to (de-industrialization of america). to counteract this problem, we need to ensure that as many people as possible own as many of the means of production as possible (a highly distributed society), thus ensuring adequate competition, and a greater quality of life.


Most intelligent post yet. Be careful though. You sound like a communist.
 
2011-12-19 04:56:05 PM  

steamingpile: More religious groups give more money/space/volunteers than the government ever does but none of you will admit that fact.


I dunno about that, social services include things like medicare, pretty big chunk of moolah...
 
2011-12-19 04:56:25 PM  
steamingpile:Of the ones he offered they declined, common sense fails you, there is a possibility you could be a troll but Im going with zero common sense, like most of fark.>

It's like> English, but it doesn't actually make any sense.

Your username is descriptive of what you type though, so at least you've got that going for you.
 
2011-12-19 04:56:30 PM  
TheFlyingGoat: But the alternative is for people to stay on welfare and unemployment

The lack of health insurance is kind of a problem for some people. They can't take a job that pays too much since they'll lose their medical benefits, which means if the job doesn't offer medical benefits then it's a no go.

but we've now created a system where we pay people to stay at home and not take jobs they're overqualified for.

You realize that the number of people who just flat out refuse to work is a tiny percentage of all the unemployed right?
 
2011-12-19 04:56:35 PM  
I had a big long thing written up blaming both sides for failing to grasp the entirety of the situation but decided it wasn't worth the trouble.

There needs to be some way to fix/prevent abuses, encourage able-bodied and able-minded people to get out of the system, and encourage people to not have eight kids by different fathers. Likewise there needs to be a way to recognize situations that are repairable to break the welfare cycle.

The Right needs to accept that some percentage of poor people are there through circumstances, and circumstances might prevent them from simply getting out.

The Left needs to accept that some percentage of poor people are poor through poor decisions made throughout their lives and which they continue to make.

Once both sides accept this and work towards finding a solution for both, things might get better. Otherwise we'll just keep yelling at each other and
 
2011-12-19 04:56:46 PM  
Misconduc: Nugent is absolutely right, you make the choices and you live by them. Then again I wouldn't expect a bunch of hippie douchebags that drink PBR to understand jackshiat.

I left the service and gave up everything for drugs and alcohol, the choices which I made. I couldn't careless if I even ate, let alone worry about work. I set myself homeless, painkillers given to me by VA were gone in a week, any that were sold went for booze.

Thankfully I met someone who saved my life, bought me a sammich and helped me track down my grandparents who I literally spoke to twice my whole life, to let me rehab with them. I admit it took 60 days, and I swear if anyone had the balls to do it cold turkey you had divine power or you are full of shait. I was fortunate the withdrawals wern't really as bad as I thought, I was at least on a full stomach with a bed to lay in.

You make the choices in life and you deal with them, I have no friends in central, florida because all my friends were homeless and I am not going down that road again, nor am I ever talking to them. I realized it was nothing more then getting your next high or booze.

/welcome to fark blah blah, don't shed a tear for me, shed one for the other dumbasses that can't afford a 99 cent cheeseburger.

:


So you admit you had grandparents willing and able to help you out, yet simultaneously portray this as a story about how you overcame your troubles by yourself?
 
2011-12-19 04:56:48 PM  

bruegel: brantgoose: Erewhon

You know Erehwon is no where spelled backward. :) Do they still have stores in Chicago.?


@north and sheffield
 
2011-12-19 04:57:05 PM  
Most poor people on assistance are stupid, lazy and incompetent - and if there is anything we can learn from the type of people who run our country: it's that stupidity, laziness and incompetence should be rewarded at the expense of everyone else.
 
2011-12-19 04:57:22 PM  

Misconduc: ....


so since you were a pathetic douchebag drug addict (btw congrats on getting clean, even if you appear to still be an idiot) means all poor people are pathetic douchebag drug addicts?

ever heard of "hasty generalization"?
 
2011-12-19 04:57:27 PM  
some people are just worthless and attempt to rationalise everything
 
2011-12-19 04:57:54 PM  

skullkrusher: Giving people money isn't the best long term solution. We can improve schools, offer daycare for working parents, job training, etc and we'd still have a significant issue because culture has to change. While obtaining skills and education, putting a priority on academic and professional success, forgoing immediate satisfaction in deference to future stability, avoiding pregnancy, drugs, a criminal record, etc remain things that "rich" people do, I don't think we'll get very far.


Oh, wow, wherever he is, Charles Murray just had a gigantic orgasm.
 
2011-12-19 04:58:37 PM  

steamingpile: Bloody William: If you're born into a poor family, you have a 17% chance of ever making more than $55,000. The deck is stacked.

What is poor though? Our entire extended family made shiat money yet all of the kids make $50K+ a year.


Lowest quintile. Household making $18,500 per year.
 
2011-12-19 04:58:42 PM  

Jake Havechek: Mostly it's being at the right place at the right time.

All those nights you sweated over your statistics exam and doctoral thesis will only garner a "hmmmmm" from a job interviewer.


It's also more important what jobs you go after. Grade school teacher? Good for you, we need those, but you'll never make a lot of money.

Same person, applies to work entry level at a major bank, ends up with a career paying extremely well. Might not be as beneficial to our society as a teacher, but pay is not based on merit or hard work, it's based on job title.
 
2011-12-19 04:58:56 PM  

Dokushin: But I do want to say that there are absolutely poor people that are poor due to their decisions. Nothing is stopping someone from getting a degree in a high-demand field. The government offers subsidized loans for the duration of your degree. If you have chosen your degree and your college wisely those loans will not be a burden when you graduate. I can't imagine too many situations that couldn't have started with "I took a Stafford loan and went to a university to study Engineering..."


What about, 'my drug addict neighbors were up parting last night, my alcoholic father tried to diddle me and my mother accused me of stealing her cigarette money so I didn't really apply myself in my school work last night or any other night for that matter so now I can't get a scholarship for an education. I'll just have a baby like every other girl I know.'

Not to mention poor kids go to poor schools and get a poor education.
 
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