I would imagine this would be what a fan of the reboot looks like

"Morality!? Drama!? Mass psychology!? These are far too confusing concepts.

GOD DID IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!"

Ennuipoet: Please, no one could watch the series finale and want Moore to do more...by the end of the last show I wishing he stopped at the end of Season 2.

The BSG finale was one of the few times I've actually thrown things at the tv (well, that and the Farscape finale...) Between SciFi's lengthy hiatuses (hiatuses? hiati?) between seasons, the incredibly depressing storyline & the fact the Cylons never really had a plan, I was ready for the series to end.

/still don't own season 4.5 on DVD
//still a great show for all my complaining

Wellon Dowd: Carpal tunnel from too much Boomer-inspired fapping?

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Oh god she's hot. She was hot in the show, and she's hot now. I'll be in my bunk.

I loved the finale. I loved the show. I look upon BSG as the Calvin and Hobbes of TV series. I miss it and I wish they would come back and make more shows.

/Sad face

I tried watching BSG, made it through 8 or so episodes, however I was struggling to watch it.

I went through Game of thorns in one day, maybe It just didn't catch my eye or something :\

Ennuipoet: Please, no one could watch the series finale and want Moore to do more...by the end of the last show I wishing he stopped at the end of Season 2.

Started re-watching BSG on Netflix Saturday night. The ending is right there in the beginning.

Misconduc: I went through Game of thorns in one day, maybe It just didn't catch my eye or something :\

Have to check that out. I enjoyed Game of Thrones immensely, so if it is anything like that, it would be cool.

Dughan: I like to pretend that the show ended on an ambiguous note after the debacle on New Caprica.

I like to think that it ended on the burnt-out Earth, as a giant statement of nihilism.

At least it managed to get through its first season, unlike some other show about people flying around in an old spaceship...

Dughan: it got way too lost in it's own angst. There is a reason we ended up calling it "Emostar Crylactica" for a while.

The Starbuck/Anders/Dee/Apollo love-rhombus was particularly annoying. It made me more-or-less hate all of those characters.

Dughan: I think the moment Dee shot herself was where I said, "Okay, fark this."

I thought that was a brilliant move, actually. I find it hard to articulate why, though.

Lando Lincoln: And now the IFC Channel's show Portlandia features a story of a couple who get a little too addicted to BSG - to the point where it wrecks their lives. Check out an exclusive clip from the second episode of the upcoming Portlandia season, fittingly entitled "One Moore Episode." This is just the first sequence in a storyline that continues throughout the whole episode.

So this is a show about people that get too involved in watching BSG.

Wow. That sounds really...uh...well...I think I'd rather watch paint dry.

Portlandia typically has several storylines, often unconnected, running through any single episode.

Shostie: BILLY DIED FOR YOUR LOVE, DEE! YOU KILLED HIM!

Yes, but Billy's death was necessary to give us Tory.



Yum.

If I lived in Portland I'd try really hard to avoid being a stereotype.

BSG definitely has low points, but I'm glad I saw it all. People hate the finale but the eps leading up to it were awesome IMO, and I liked the finale too up until they see Earth on that horizon. End it there and you won't see the parts most people really disliked.

If it ended at season 2, you wouldn't have the "Exodus" episode that was the apex of the show as far as I'm concerned.

Ron Moore is a damned hack. And a lazy one at best.

/there, I said it.

poundgrayly: Ennuipoet: Please, no one could watch the series finale and want Moore to do more...by the end of the last show I wishing he stopped at the end of Season 2.

Started re-watching BSG on Netflix Saturday night. The ending is right there in the beginning.

are you saying that "All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."?

Not a Boomer-related bookmark, if that's what you were thinking.

Ah, but Caprica.

"All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again" is pointing to the fact that Ronald Moore does not know how to end a series.

See the ending of DS9 for reference.

I know 4.5 was bad, but life ruining?

StandsWithAFist: Between SciFi's lengthy hiatuses (hiatuses? hiati?) between seasons, the incredibly depressing storyline & the fact the Cylons never really had a plan, I was ready for the series to end.

Glad to see someone saw what I saw only several episodes in. Uncompromising I can handle, even welcome; BG made it clear that it was going to shove drama down your throat and nothing else matters.

I guess what really got to me about BG, though, is that none of the show ever really needed to take place in space. With just a few token adjustments to plot devices (which is absurdly easy -- most of them are painfully obvious allegories of recent events despite writers denying it), almost every single episode and character interaction could've been seamlessly transplanted into a CIA drama with religion thrown in for extra drama and humanity plays thrown in for even more drama. Which isn't to say the elements it used were fundamentally bad, the combinations weren't creative or that other sci-fi shows aren't occasionally guilty of the same, but the gaudy stage was the least relevant part of the show, replaced with all-too-terrestrial issues that are laid on thick. REALLY thick. Any given dramatic scene of the show could be considered quality, but when the drama/sci-fi ratio of a supposed sci-fi flick tastes like a low-cost stir-fry -- 9 parts veggies to one part meat -- at some point I'm gonna stop crediting its healthy goodness and complain that my expectations aren't being met. I'm not asking for less quality; just more of the elements that make sci-fi different from a goddamn soap opera.

Star Trek, for all its morality plays, was about intergalactic exploration. The Force was integral to the Star Wars plot. Movies like Aliens and Predator were driven by unique characteristics of the threat the cast was fighting. There's plenty of anthropomorphic squabbling, but at least the stage was a key, a source of creative spark the writers played off of. What the hell were the Cylons besides a bunch of brain-farking meddlers? Their role in society wasn't all that different from the enemy in some Cold War spy flick or drama on religious brainwashing depending on whatever flavor of emo* the writers wanted to use.

If I'm not allowed to call BG a bad show, I at least want to see it called out for what it is -- DRAMA in space.

*Popular spices include "trust no one", "don't trust yourself", "adversity brings out the worst in people" and of course my all-time favorite, "I have a rare form of cancer" -- wait, that last one is indy chick flick, sorry

swahnhennessy: If I lived in Portland I'd try really hard to avoid being a stereotype.

So, you'd try to only do things no one else does, only wear clothes that no one else wears, and only like things no one else likes? In Portland? I think it'll work. No one in Portland does that.

El Freak: Is this thread where all the butthurt atheist nerds whine because BSG didn't have the Star Trek ending, where God is revealed to actually be a giant computer or alien species of some kind

Who the fark ever said that? I only lasted a few episodes, but even the people I talked to who luurrve BG only biatched that the ending simply made no sense.

Misconduc: I went through Game of thorns in one day, maybe It just didn't catch my eye or something :\

Damn dude, that's almost 10 hours of TV in one day

Ennuipoet:

God(s) especially fictional ones have reasons for doing things and a story is not complete until that reason is articulated.


The reason was that God likes robots and wicked space battles. So he's gotta keep setting that shiat back up.

As a fan of the original, I tried watching it... couldn't care for it after the pilot and first episode... caught part of a few other episodes later on, still nothing. If anything, the overly annoying drama made my hand twitch faster to change channels.

Still hoping for the reboot's reboot that would go back to the originals.

Wellon Dowd: Carpal tunnel from too much Boomer-inspired fapping?

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She is seriously hot, buuuuuut not nearly as hot as the fap-inducing Apollo.







/oh my

As for the show, I enjoyed it although I feel Moore and the writers sort of wrote themselves into a corner by the fourth season. I don't think they had a well defined plan of where they wanted the show to go during the early seasons and basically had no choice but to stick with the "God did it" solution because of all the red herrings and prophesy stuff they had written in before.

I remember listening to a podcast from one of the episodes (the one where they were searching for the tomb of Athena) and they basically admitted that they had written a bunch of the mythology and prophetic symbolism on the fly, without actually planning how it would affect the rest of the storyline.

My problem with the way BSG ended was because some of the big plot points of the show ended up being meaningless. The recurring dream ended up being trivial. I still don't even know what The Plan was that the Cylons supposedly had from the start.

The last season's themes were pretty redundant:

- Hera gets kidnapped and needs rescuing
- Starbuck has premonitions of earth
- Guess who's the hidden Cylon?
- President is dying/hallucinating
- Zarak stirs up the shiat
- "Can we really trust these Cylons" , "Not On My Ship!"

All this stuff was great the first time out in seasons 1,2 and 3, but seemed pretty stale in 4.

The final episode was OK...tied everything up as well as could be expected.

StandsWithAFist: the incredibly depressing storyline

That's all there is in scifi tv/movies now.

Grimdark = quality, is the maxim of the last decade or so.

I blame the Deep Space 9 fans.

/but I blame them for a lot of things

Ennuipoet: I don't mean religion, I mean storytelling. Even the Bible is filled with stories not only about what God supposedly did, but also WHY he did it. The ending of BSG told us God did it but his/her/it's motivations are never clear, is God just frakkin' with humanity because there is nothing good on Netflix? We don't know because Moore and co. never bothered to figure that out. From what I could stomach of Caprica, which only the first five episodes, it seemed like he might be trying to flesh out the theology of the show.

If you want me to suspend my disbelief for five years, swallow the implausibilities and logical gaps in your tale based entirely on the premise that some divine power is acting in furtherance of greater goal you better damn well tell me what that goal IS at the end.

I don't resent the religion, I resent the lazy writing.

Once people figured out that writing like LOST would get people to endlessly derp along about how the show was brilliant for leaving things open to interpretation (as opposed to the reality that they were throwing shiat against the wall and telling people it was all planned out from the beginning), this sort of thing has become commonplace.

HotIgneous Intruder: Ah, but Caprica.

Yeah, Craprica was a total disappointment. Now they've cancelled Blood and Chrome before it even starts.

A friend turned me on to Babylon 5 as a BSG replacement. Powered through Season 1 and am starting Season 2. No spark yet.

/still need my BSG replacement series
//and a Boomer/Starbuck sandwich to go

Ennuipoet: El Freak: Not really. Religion is filled with deities that do shiat "just 'cause", or because they're just giant dicks.

I don't mean religion, I mean storytelling. Even the Bible is filled with stories not only about what God supposedly did, but also WHY he did it. The ending of BSG told us God did it but his/her/it's motivations are never clear, is God just frakkin' with humanity because there is nothing good on Netflix? We don't know because Moore and co. never bothered to figure that out. From what I could stomach of Caprica, which only the first five episodes, it seemed like he might be trying to flesh out the theology of the show.

If you want me to suspend my disbelief for five years, swallow the implausibilities and logical gaps in your tale based entirely on the premise that some divine power is acting in furtherance of greater goal you better damn well tell me what that goal IS at the end.

I don't resent the religion, I resent the lazy writing.

The thing is, nobody seems to have a problem with this sort of lazy writing in Doctor Who. Viewers seem quite content with the implausibilities and logical gaps based on the premise that he is a Time Lord and therefore he must A) know what he is doing, B) must have a noble purpose, and C) doesn't really have to tell anyone what the ultimate goal is, or even that there is one. Yet none of these things are ever even intimated, and in fact it is somewhat alluded to that he is all too often flying by the seat of his pants and winging it, with no particular goal in mind whatsoever.

I think the issue with BG is most definitely religion, and the distaste comes not from the shoddy writing (which is overly-abundant in both cases), but rather from the particular form the religious element in BG takes. If it were less ethereal, less like the traditional Judeo-Christian God, people would be more inclined to relate to it and accept it. Especially if it were expressed as a slightly effeminate-looking, virginal young man in a fez and suspenders.

El Freak: You must not have seen very many BSG threads on Fark.

Admittedly, no. I tended to get flamed out because I called a spade a goddamn spade. I wouldn't go as far as calling it "Emostar Crylactica", but I thought the show was massively overrated. It was well above average quality in many ways, but in every way that counted it was the sci-fi equivalent of a cutter on an interstellar cruise -- all drama, no wonder.

I'm pleasantly surprised to see the rest of Fark finally come around. When it was still fresh in everyone's minds you couldn't say a single thing negative about it without getting RAGED out of the thread.