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2011-12-19 08:44:11 AM

BurnShrike: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: We're all agreed about CD players though, right?

Last year I bought my first car ever with a built-in CD player. All my cars before that only had a tape deck. Maybe in a decade or so I'll get a car with mp3 capabilities.


Factory stereos in my vehicles usually don't last long. They get replaced with something better pretty quick.

And re: old fax technology... Digital phone lines were around a long time ago, too... telegraph. CW = digital. On/off. :)
 
2011-12-19 08:44:17 AM

RexTalionis: Red_Fox: it would really please me if they stopped calling these new pad things tablets. A tablet is a laptop that flips around and can use a stylus as a mouse.

Maybe they could call these new things a Slate or something.

Actually, the technical name for that is "convertible tablet."


yeah well until this new shiat it uses to just be called a tablet. I just bought 100 of 'em from HP at work. They dont' call it a "convertible tablet" except for if you read the tech manual.

KNaBisco: Red_Fox: A tablet is a laptop that flips around and can use a stylus as a mouse.

Maybe they could call these new things a Slate or something.

Not quite. The "tablets" with the screen that flips around came after true tablets.


it did? What's your example of a tablet that came before that? The Newton?

/serious question I never heard of a computer tablet until I saw a convertible tablet.
 
2011-12-19 08:44:28 AM

phaseolus: I don't own a smartphone. I can't afford the bandwidth. I won't be able to unless the rates drop quite a bit.

I'd love one -- my wife and daughter love theirs (and, no, we can't afford those either, but my opinions on what we can afford haven't counted for much lately. Or ever, come to think of it. After the divorce I'll still be poor-ish, but I'll probably be better off... but enough biatching.)

I realize this makes me a little unusual for middle-class white guys, as I'm constantly reminded whenever I read articles like this, but I can't be the only one with a plain old mobile phone that just makes calls.


No you're not. All my cell phone does is make calls, I think it will text but I have no use for that either. I honestly don't see why this smart-phone craze is so popular, trying to surf the net, check email, watch movies and whatever else seems kind of silly on a 2x3 in screen to me and at 90 bucks a month or higher it's simply not worth the money.
 
2011-12-19 08:45:10 AM

Lone Stranger: If your digital camera has a detachable lens and/or is not not small enough to fit in a pocket you better not try and get it past me at a concert venue that I'm working the gate at. You'll be making that long trip back to the car.


This is why I work with the bands and get press passes. :D
 
2011-12-19 08:46:06 AM

Doppleganger871: 1. I still don't have one of those, guess I missed it.
2. Have one, use it sparingly. Also have a portable ATSC/Clear QAM 7" TV. Still can't get a digital TV tuner in a tablet, tho u can get a USB one for a Netbook.
3. Use them quite frequently. Clouds have lighting, storms, and sometimes they aren't even around. Flash drive is always with me.
4. Have 3 of them. Can leave it in the vehicle I'm in, and not have to worry about carrying around something the size of, well, a GPS with me. Of course, I have a RAZR V3xx, too. But that works fine for what I use it for, and being a cheap bastard, the $10 unlimited data plan is all I'd want to pay for. Can use it as a modem with my netbook/notebook.
5. Optics on (good) pocket cameras are better than phones. I still have a few of these kicking around, but for serious photo taking, I'll stick to my DSLR.
6. Standalone fax, yea, multifunction devices, no. Faxes are legal documents, so for some cases, scan and email won't work. Wish they'd go away, tho. Or allow faxing over IP.
7. There are still plenty of uses for netbooks. Can type faster on them, they will run all the Windoze apps you need. I use mine for ham radio, USB (with serial adapters) to connect to my TNC or whatnot. Sound Card digital interfaces. Just can't do that crap on a tablet. Agreed with previous comment about carrying a tablet keyboard. To me, a tablet is still a "toy", doesn't feel really usable for much other than a quick check of FB, email, or flinging birds at pigs.
8. Agreed, but I think portable cd players have been dead a long time. The butchering of music quality by record companies (making music "louder") has really negated the need for "perfect" source material to play anyway. Still use CD's at home, still have a 10 disc changer in my WJ, and wife's ZJ.
9. For casual use, maybe. Serious use probably not. Since everything is touch screen, I can't see a reporter holding up his smart phone with 1 hand, and pressing the screen with t ...


Our big canon copier does faxes and emails in pdf formats. We installed a proprietary software the enables a format that most courts accept. A couple of my attorneys only send things via fax, unless it's to a small courthouse in the boonies that only accepts walk ins and faxes. even then, you just put the doc in the machine and it does the work.

And from what I understand, if you agree to it at the beginning of a case with opposing counsel, you can do all docs, both discoveries and pleadings, via email, of course if all pleadings are accept via the court, which varies county by county.
 
2011-12-19 08:46:17 AM
3. Flash drives will be around for a long time. Easier to carry those around with programs to fix computers. Also easy way to store porn off computer so your kids don't find your stash. Or to share movies/music with no net connected computers.

4. I think GPS will be around for a long time. The people that need it the most typically don't have it on their phones. Plus you have a tourist industry that use them.

5. Small cameras, again I don't think they will completely go away. People are saying smart phone but to many people do not have them or not practical. Be an insurance adjuster taking a couple of hundreds of photo, and needing them "backed" up or a not dead phone battery.

6. Again I agree with others about the fax machine. I have one it is a printer, copier, scanner, and fax all-in-one. So it isn't taking up anymore space than separate equipment. I worked in an office that try to go completely paperless. It didn't work and they got sued because a law didn't match technology. Plus some it is nice to print and share data around the table - using pens to mark on it and "Problem solve" the old fashion way. Some times it does take looking at things in a different media to see were they problem is.

7. I type to fast for touch screens. Buying a docking station in addition to a table isn't budget worthy. Also some of the portable keyboards are not properly shielded causing issues. Like having a cell phone by it and when ever you get a text it has to reset itself.

9. Voice recorders -- again the praise to smartphone totally ignores people need to different products. Imagine police, lawyer, or doctor saying it is on his personal phone. Or being the student having his cell phone out.
 
2011-12-19 08:46:21 AM
Your finger will never be as precise as a mouse. While it is great for just browsing, I work in CAD and I need that precision. I need to click on that one pixel on the screen, and right now I don't know if anything will be as precise as my mouse. Also, in spreadsheets I don't think I could stand using my finger to select cells.

Also, with flash drives I have to go to a lot of clients where I can't get on their server, so anything I have to deliver or get from then is usually via flash drives (usually client approved ones).
 
2011-12-19 08:47:00 AM

Red_Fox: RexTalionis: Red_Fox: it would really please me if they stopped calling these new pad things tablets. A tablet is a laptop that flips around and can use a stylus as a mouse.

Maybe they could call these new things a Slate or something.

Actually, the technical name for that is "convertible tablet."

yeah well until this new shiat it uses to just be called a tablet. I just bought 100 of 'em from HP at work. They dont' call it a "convertible tablet" except for if you read the tech manual.

KNaBisco: Red_Fox: A tablet is a laptop that flips around and can use a stylus as a mouse.

Maybe they could call these new things a Slate or something.

Not quite. The "tablets" with the screen that flips around came after true tablets.

it did? What's your example of a tablet that came before that? The Newton?

/serious question I never heard of a computer tablet until I saw a convertible tablet.


Holy fark on a stick.

People call sheet by the wrong name all the time. How many douchebags are rolling around on "RIMZZzzzzah" when they don't realize they bought WHEELS for their car.
 
2011-12-19 08:48:20 AM

ReapTheChaos: I have no clue why people still use fax machines, there's far simpler ways to send a document. Scan the damn thing and email it, then at least the document will be legible.


We are refinancing right now and when the loan officer said he need another month's bank statement I did the old scan-and-email.
 
2011-12-19 08:48:41 AM
I don't have a smart phone or a tablet so I will continue using my flashdrives and Garmin (which is always in the car and plugs into the cigaret lighter), my laptop is huge but we carry the Wifes netbook when we travel.

I never heard of a flipcam, the closest I have to a small digital camera is a Panasonic Lumix TZ12 which gets 12x optical zoom, I don't see a phone beating that anytime soon.

The fax machine in our office is still used fairly regularly.
 
2011-12-19 08:51:08 AM
many of these may go way down in demand/sells...but i don't foresee any of these completely disappearing anytime soon.

i have a point & shoot camera on my non-smart phone...and i have an even better p&s camera on an even older non-smart phone that i kept for that very reason, yet we still have a p&s camera (a good slim polaroid with 12 or 16 megapixels and pretty decent zoom i got for about $50 on a daily deals site) because that one works great for everything our family needs a camera for

cd players may go down in demand & sells more than probably anything else on that list, but it's the nature of the beast...same thing happened to the gramophone, the record player, the 8-track player, the reel-to-reel player, and the cassette and microcassette players. i know most of those you can still find if you know where to look...last i saw you could still pay $10,000+ for a super duper lp player if you're a dumbfark audiophile.

i still use the fax a good bit...when sending an attorney's office a few pages we really don't have a quick and easy way to upload paper to a computer document to email them...i can walk 7 feet from my desk to the fax, dial the number, and within 2 minutes they have a copy. if i want something scanned in to send them it'll take far more time and effort
 
2011-12-19 08:51:37 AM

schief2: Mad Scientist: Last night, I wrote a letter to my mother on my 1918 Underwood Model 4 typewriter, and sent it this morning by snail mail. Because obsolete is how I roll.

/mom always emails me back. or texts.
//anachronistic story, bro

Hey guys! I found him!!

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Heh. I haven't yet reached that level of hipster douchiness, but I'm working on it. Besides, the 'ol Underwood weighs a TON, and is hardly a portable machine. I can't exactly tell from that photo, but I'd guess that is a Royal portable.
 
2011-12-19 08:52:29 AM
Yeah, not sure I agree with this list at all. If businesses still need items then you can still buy them. I mean we just bought a pack of floppy disks for our ancient yet still need to be maintained computers.

1. I never got into the flip cam revolution, but I know tons of teenagers that use them on a daily basis. Sure most smartphones do the same thing now, but most the parents I know get their teen a basic cellphone for emergencies and not a smartphone requiring a data package. Since the maker quit manufacturing them I guess they are dead technology.

2. Apparently the author has never had to keep a couple kids entertained on a long car ride. When my nieces were toddler they had a portable DVD system that connected together so both girls could watch the same movie in front of them or it could be disconnected and they watch movies separately. The amount of cups, toys, and food that those things we constantly being hit with I would never substitute that $100 systems for $1,000 worth of iPad equipment. Now that they are older I wouldn't see an issue, but I don't see them going away overnight..

3. I use my flash drives daily at work. So does around 300 of our employees because of certain security laws that make putting in a cloud system next to impossible right now. Not only that, if your computer had no network connection you are pretty hosed which is about 90% of the computers I work on everyday.

4. GPS are not going away. Not only are those devices useful for trucking fleets, but they can track trucks if need be (the commercial ones anyway). I loather the GPS navigator on my phone and refuse to use it. When I need one I steal my parent's Garmin because it is so easy to use. Plus I've had issues that when my cell phone signal goes away I lose GPS navigation (which I never understood since it is two different signals). We have a lot of areas in our state without cell service.

5. Small cameras are not going away. When I go on vacation outside of the country we leave our cell phones at home because international charges are ridiculous and I'm not paying an extra $40 a month on my phone for a global package for the one-week a year vacation we take. I'm not a professional photographer, so I don't need anything big and clunky. Plus we scuba dive a lot and just got one of those Olympus Stylus Tough cameras with and underwater housing and it works great for underwater shots. It cost about $300 with everything, but the camera itself is great for beach/pool/snorkeling since it is waterproof up to 16 ft. and the housing makes it waterproof up to 160 ft. I'd like to see a cellphone do that.

6. Our office uses the fax machine everyday because some of our vendors refuse to accept emails with scanned orders. I think it is dumb, but they claim it is because their email system is unsecured. Easy fix, but whatever. They have been saying this for ten years and it still isn't true.

7. I love my netbook and use it often. It is great to travel with so I can upload pictures, type out emails, and do some work if necessary. At home we have various aqua and plant controllers that hook into the netbook for configuration changes and the software does not come in app form. It would be a pita to disconnect that equipment just to adjust the lights for daylight savings. At work they are great when I have to go onsite to places to configure switches and routers. Doesn't happen often, but if a switch goes down it is hard to configure it through the network.

8. Okay, maybe this. I haven't noticed anyone using a cd player in years and I know I haven't. I use my phone for radio and music.

9. Nope. Our local law enforcement uses digital voice recorders to take statements with. Their phones are too unsecure. The recorders we use are locked down so the statement can't be deleted or altered and the statement is tagged when uploaded to the system. I also know the military uses them as well. Plus most voice recorders have a better range then my phone so when I tape lectures I can actually hear what the teacher said. My phone really sucks at recording audio from over five feet away.

10. Yeah I guess PDAs are going away. If you ever needed a PDA then you probably have a smartphone which does everything a PDA did and more.

I just hate these tech articles that claim certain technologies are completely not useful because we have smartphones and tablets. Not everyone wants to or can pay $100 a month for a data plan or has the ability to pay $500 for a tablet. To entertain their kids in the car then $100 is just fine. To get around new places without getting lost a one-time $80 fee is fine. I agree it is older technology, but not totally useless just because the author says so. Though I'm surprised they didn't mention DVD-ROMs drives on computers like most lists do which is also completely silly to assume they are useless because "Everything has a digital download these days" which is wrong.
 
2011-12-19 08:52:45 AM
The GPS argument is terrible. It's just like I was telling my father-in-law: it's not that I don't know where to go, it's that I want to know when I will get there. I don't want to do the math ten times on my occasional hour-long commute to know if I am pacing myself correctly.
 
2011-12-19 08:52:54 AM
So, anyone still use a dot matrix printer anymore? They still are available, and are still used all over the place. :) Good news is that only the quality ones are left. Bad news is that they're damn expensive.

/has a crapload of dot matrix printers
//to go along with my crapload of Commodore products
///though I have a laser printer with dot matrix emulation hooked up to my Commodore 128
 
2011-12-19 08:53:15 AM

ReapTheChaos: phaseolus: I don't own a smartphone. I can't afford the bandwidth. I won't be able to unless the rates drop quite a bit.

I'd love one -- my wife and daughter love theirs (and, no, we can't afford those either, but my opinions on what we can afford haven't counted for much lately. Or ever, come to think of it. After the divorce I'll still be poor-ish, but I'll probably be better off... but enough biatching.)

I realize this makes me a little unusual for middle-class white guys, as I'm constantly reminded whenever I read articles like this, but I can't be the only one with a plain old mobile phone that just makes calls.

No you're not. All my cell phone does is make calls, I think it will text but I have no use for that either. I honestly don't see why this smart-phone craze is so popular, trying to surf the net, check email, watch movies and whatever else seems kind of silly on a 2x3 in screen to me and at 90 bucks a month or higher it's simply not worth the money.


Same here. My cell phone is just a cell phone. It can text, but I rarely use it.

I feel no desire to be connected 24/7. Of course, I live out in the middle of nowhere and I enjoy peace and quiet when I am not at work. I think I am on the internet maybe a total of 30 mins when I get home.

/not a luddite, I like technology, but I don't need it all the time
//wouldn't have a cell phone if I wasn't constantly traveling for work
 
2011-12-19 08:53:21 AM

Maturin: I still have my pager


I worked for a company that issued pagers to workers up until a few years ago when it was about the same price just to pay for phone service. For a while we actually carried phones that didn't have phone service, just text since I guess they don't really make pagers anymore.
 
2011-12-19 08:55:01 AM

Red_Fox: RexTalionis: Red_Fox: it would really please me if they stopped calling these new pad things tablets. A tablet is a laptop that flips around and can use a stylus as a mouse.

Maybe they could call these new things a Slate or something.

Actually, the technical name for that is "convertible tablet."

yeah well until this new shiat it uses to just be called a tablet. I just bought 100 of 'em from HP at work. They dont' call it a "convertible tablet" except for if you read the tech manual.

KNaBisco: Red_Fox: A tablet is a laptop that flips around and can use a stylus as a mouse.

Maybe they could call these new things a Slate or something.

Not quite. The "tablets" with the screen that flips around came after true tablets.

it did? What's your example of a tablet that came before that? The Newton?

/serious question I never heard of a computer tablet until I saw a convertible tablet.


Here's the Pencept from 1983.
users.erols.com

The GRiDPAD from 1989:
blog.guifx.com

The Momenta Pentop
i.cmpnet.com

The NCR 3125
www1.pcmag.com

The Fujitsu PoqetPad
www.shopfujitsu.com
 
2011-12-19 08:56:18 AM
* Flash drives aren't going anywhere until everywhere has a high speed internet connection to use the "cloud", and providers remove the data caps and have real unlimited data. Until then, you need some other way to store your stuff. Even at my house my upload speed is too slow for backups that could be done in a few seconds on a flash drive.

* FAX machines aren't going anywhere until they change the laws about electronic transmission of signatures. Until then, insurance, real estate, lawyers and medical firms will keep using them.
 
2011-12-19 08:57:02 AM
My brother uses the Navigon applicaton (!) for his ifone. I have to agree it's as good or better than the GPS's I've used. Done right. Still easier for me to leave my GPS in the vehicle, i don't live or work in a high crime area. Actually, I'm sure there some people in my town who don't know what a GPS is.
 
2011-12-19 08:57:32 AM

planes: When my son went with us on vacation last summer, he bragged about how his smart phone GPS was so superior to the 7" Magellan GPS on the dash of my motorhome. That is, until we crossed over into Canada, and his smart phone stopped working. And, his little screen didn't have the easy view that my GPS did, especially when he was taking and making phone calls.

[www.magellangps.com image 355x240]


I just bought a very similar RoadMate, because using my phone was starting to get really annoying. Not too mention, the battery would actually lose its charge even when plugged in. Compared to Google Maps, the Magellan is absolutely horrible. The directions are completely wrong half of the time, even with the latest updates. It also likes saying that roads are closed and report on phantom traffic.
 
2011-12-19 08:58:05 AM
3. Flash drives: Not so long ago, the flash drive felt like a symbol of our incredible technological progress -- dozens of high-resolution photos or scores of documents stored on a little device you could hang on your key chain. But thanks to the rise of cloud computing and the ease of sending giant files, the 2-inch flash drive has come to seem almost clunky.


There is too much stupid in this paragraph...
 
2011-12-19 08:58:30 AM

Doppleganger871: 7. There are still plenty of uses for netbooks. Can type faster on them, they will run all the Windoze apps you need. I use mine for ham radio, USB (with serial adapters) to connect to my TNC or whatnot. Sound Card digital interfaces. Just can't do that crap on a tablet.


This is what I plan on doing myself. I have MultiPSK installed on the distaffboppers netbook, and I've actually used it to copy some signals. I have yet to make a transmit cable, though.
 
2011-12-19 08:58:43 AM
Elitist hipster drivel.
 
2011-12-19 08:59:05 AM

itsdan: BurnShrike: Personally, I see tablets (and indeed most touch screen devices) as a fad that will disappear. They're a step backwards in terms of usability and are only popular because it's "neat".

A keyboard? How quaint.

...


www.startrek.com
 
2011-12-19 08:59:42 AM

Xenomech: 3. Flash drives: Not so long ago, the flash drive felt like a symbol of our incredible technological progress -- dozens of high-resolution photos or scores of documents stored on a little device you could hang on your key chain. But thanks to the rise of cloud computing and the ease of sending giant files, the 2-inch flash drive has come to seem almost clunky.

There is too much stupid in this paragraph...


Sneakernet has survived since the (big) floppy disk days. It ain't going anywhere.
 
2011-12-19 08:59:49 AM

KarmicDisaster: * Flash drives aren't going anywhere until everywhere has a high speed internet connection to use the "cloud", and providers remove the data caps and have real unlimited data. Until then, you need some other way to store your stuff. Even at my house my upload speed is too slow for backups that could be done in a few seconds on a flash drive.

* FAX machines aren't going anywhere until they change the laws about electronic transmission of signatures. Until then, insurance, real estate, lawyers and medical firms will keep using them.


Agree on the flash drive thing, tho mobile data plans are quite teh popular these days.

And the fax thing (i agree with you) is ridiculous. Like it's so hard to put together a forged document print it, and then fax it. It's not like faxes are super duper high resolution or anything. What about 200x200 dpi on the "Fine" setting?
 
2011-12-19 09:00:32 AM
I call shenanigans! Next, they'll tell us BetaMax is on its way out!

images.mylot.com
 
2011-12-19 09:00:32 AM
A4. GPS devices for your car...Getting our directions via iPhone is a significantly worse user experience, but we've always got our iPhone on us, and it's always charged.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give to you the understatement of the year. Just because you forget your charger, dumbassjournalist, doesn't mean the rest of us do. The glove compartment - not just for gloves.
 
2011-12-19 09:00:59 AM

phaseolus: I don't own a smartphone. I can't afford the bandwidth. I won't be able to unless the rates drop quite a bit.


smart talk - pay-as-you-go walmart phones on the verizon network. something like $40 or $50 a month unlimited. gotta pay for the phone though (about $100-200 for a smart phone)

metro pcs - pay-as-you-go...similar deal, slightly less reliable network
 
2011-12-19 09:03:09 AM
Considering the way Fark technical people have so often gone into full blown denial about the pathetic state of the tech industry it's probably a good idea to get a second opinion.

Only you guys could rival repubs in their alternative universe and that ain't easy to do.
 
2011-12-19 09:03:50 AM
Link (new window)
 
2011-12-19 09:04:03 AM
This article must have been written by Apple, basically they're saying that every piece of modern tech that's come out in the last 10 years has been replaced by the iPod, iPad or the iPhone.
 
2011-12-19 09:04:50 AM

Type40:

The fax machine in our office is still used fairly regularly.


The Digital Sender has all but replaced our fax machine. Converts paper documents to PDF and e-mails them.
 
2011-12-19 09:05:49 AM
The other thing about Flash drives is... they keep getting bigger for the same price. That didn't happen much with floppy disks, they peaked out at about 1.4MB/disk and the technology could not be extended. There is no real upper limit to flash tech, and nothing beats having a super fast copy of your stuff that you can take to another physical location, and nothing beats having a way to boot your computer/device from some external device when it breaks. I don't see how that will ever go away. Just got a Patriot Flash drive that reads/writes 60MB/sec on my USB3 port, the dam thing is about as fast as a real hard drive (for sequential anyway).
 
2011-12-19 09:06:22 AM

Red_Fox: Article is more a personal preference of the author list than anything.

Faxes - yup every office in the world still has 'em.
gps - WTF man?
Flash Drives? you are farking kidding me. Got 8 of 'em right here on my desk.


You sound obsolete.
 
2011-12-19 09:06:45 AM

phaseolus: I don't own a smartphone. I can't afford the bandwidth. I won't be able to unless the rates drop quite a bit.

I'd love one -- my wife and daughter love theirs (and, no, we can't afford those either, but my opinions on what we can afford haven't counted for much lately. Or ever, come to think of it. After the divorce I'll still be poor-ish, but I'll probably be better off... but enough biatching.)

I realize this makes me a little unusual for middle-class white guys, as I'm constantly reminded whenever I read articles like this, but I can't be the only one with a plain old mobile phone that just makes calls.


I don't own a smartphone. I can afford one but I just don't want one. I don't Facebook, I don't Twitter, I'm fine emailing during work hours and I don't text message, ever. Instead of Facebook, I spend time with actual people. Instead of twitter and text messaging, I just call. If it's an emergency, call. If not, email and I'll get to it when I get to it.

I actually like my gadgets separate so I can compartmentalize my life. I don't want to be constantly in touch with everyone and everything at every moment of my life.
 
2011-12-19 09:07:10 AM

here4few: 3. Flash drives will be around for a long time. Easier to carry those around with programs to fix computers. Also easy way to store porn off computer so your kids don't find your stash. Or to share movies/music with no net connected computers.

4. I think GPS will be around for a long time. The people that need it the most typically don't have it on their phones. Plus you have a tourist industry that use them.

5. Small cameras, again I don't think they will completely go away. People are saying smart phone but to many people do not have them or not practical. Be an insurance adjuster taking a couple of hundreds of photo, and needing them "backed" up or a not dead phone battery.

6. Again I agree with others about the fax machine. I have one it is a printer, copier, scanner, and fax all-in-one. So it isn't taking up anymore space than separate equipment. I worked in an office that try to go completely paperless. It didn't work and they got sued because a law didn't match technology. Plus some it is nice to print and share data around the table - using pens to mark on it and "Problem solve" the old fashion way. Some times it does take looking at things in a different media to see were they problem is.

7. I type to fast for touch screens. Buying a docking station in addition to a table isn't budget worthy. Also some of the portable keyboards are not properly shielded causing issues. Like having a cell phone by it and when ever you get a text it has to reset itself.

9. Voice recorders -- again the praise to smartphone totally ignores people need to different products. Imagine police, lawyer, or doctor saying it is on his personal phone. Or being the student having his cell phone out.


You got a good arguement. I actually use my tablet mainly for school reasons. 2 programs I use. 1 is for taking notes but its a cloud based program. So I tend to download it on the computer Im using and type away on that then study using my tablet. The other is an actual recorder program to tape the lectures. I find it easier to study when I can rehear the entire lecture. So I dont think those two devices, recorders and laptops will go anywhere soon, but sometimes its handy to have a single device between the two.
 
2011-12-19 09:07:40 AM

Doppleganger871: And the fax thing (i agree with you) is ridiculous. Like it's so hard to put together a forged document print it, and then fax it. It's not like faxes are super duper high resolution or anything. What about 200x200 dpi on the "Fine" setting?


Apparently, it's easy enough to fool Dan Rather, but not some random bloggers.
 
2011-12-19 09:08:32 AM
I agree with all of that except no. 3, "the cloud" isn't fast enough, and Internet isn't always available, plus I can't boot Linux from the cloud either.
 
2011-12-19 09:09:02 AM

hailin: Not everyone wants to or can pay $100 a month for a data plan or has the ability to pay $500 for a tablet.


you should consider leaving apple.
 
2011-12-19 09:10:58 AM

KarmicDisaster: * Flash drives aren't going anywhere until everywhere has a high speed internet connection to use the "cloud", and providers remove the data caps and have real unlimited data. Until then, you need some other way to store your stuff. Even at my house my upload speed is too slow for backups that could be done in a few seconds on a flash drive.

* FAX machines aren't going anywhere until they change the laws about electronic transmission of signatures. Until then, insurance, real estate, lawyers and medical firms will keep using them.


See here in lies the problem. The average consumer doesn't know about all the data caps on bandwidth, until it happens.

"Uh, why can't I watch Netflix on my tablet while I play words with friends on my phone and stream music to my PC from my cloud?"

Well, if your on Comcast, like me, that 250GB for the non tech user is big enough, for now. But if you go cloud, and have all your devices Wified on your network, and transfer your local files to the cloud, that 250GB will go faster than you think.

A friend called me, worried why his internet was out. Comcast told him he met his cap. Well, he's got 4 kids, two boys that game all day, two girls that sit on the computer and a wife that streams. Oh yeah, and he has his porn alone time. (Yeah, they need to get out more).

But I set up his network and devices for him. Of course it was my fault when the cap was reached, b/c he and his wife are an unfrozen cavemen, and go full retard when there's an issue, but when there are people over to show off, his wife is Kim f*#king Kommando.
 
2011-12-19 09:12:35 AM

lennavan: I actually like my gadgets separate so I can compartmentalize my life. I don't want to be constantly in touch with everyone and everything at every moment of my life.


One other advantage of separate gadgets: When one breaks, you don't loose all functionality. If you've got a phone, a camera, a GPS, and a netbook, if the camera shiats the bed, you can still make calls, navigate your turned-around ass, etc.

This is why I'm loathe to depend on an all-in-one DC to Daylight ham radio rig: When it breaks, I can't communicate. With separate rigs, though, if the 2 Meter rig goes tits up, I've still got the HF rig, etc.
 
2011-12-19 09:13:37 AM

yves0010: The other is an actual recorder program to tape the lectures. I find it easier to study when I can rehear the entire lecture.


The students here all use Microsoft Word with something called Notebook Layout. You type notes while recording the entire lecture. Then later you can scroll through your notes, find something you wrote and click an icon next to your note and the audio associated right when you took that note will play. It's really frickin nice, I wish I had this when I was a student.
 
2011-12-19 09:14:17 AM
i want the cds because i actually like hearing quality recordings and being able to rip them as a FLAC, and not an mp3. you can also get used ones for cheaper than purchasing high bitrate songs/albums on line. and you get artwork. booyah.
 
2011-12-19 09:15:50 AM

lennavan: yves0010: The other is an actual recorder program to tape the lectures. I find it easier to study when I can rehear the entire lecture.

The students here all use Microsoft Word with something called Notebook Layout. You type notes while recording the entire lecture. Then later you can scroll through your notes, find something you wrote and click an icon next to your note and the audio associated right when you took that note will play. It's really frickin nice, I wish I had this when I was a student.


Bah, who wants to listen to a lecture multiple times? Better to just pay attention the first time.
 
2011-12-19 09:15:54 AM

dittybopper: Doppleganger871: 7. There are still plenty of uses for netbooks. Can type faster on them, they will run all the Windoze apps you need. I use mine for ham radio, USB (with serial adapters) to connect to my TNC or whatnot. Sound Card digital interfaces. Just can't do that crap on a tablet.

This is what I plan on doing myself. I have MultiPSK installed on the distaffboppers netbook, and I've actually used it to copy some signals. I have yet to make a transmit cable, though.


Look into FoxDelta kits. Guy's a ham in India. Boards and components are good quality, though the mounting options for the cases should be something YOU figure out :)
 
2011-12-19 09:16:08 AM

RexTalionis: Bullshiat. If you work in an office environment at all, you know the fax ain't going away until the last office worker who refuses to use newer technology dies.


Came here to say this. No matter how bad I want to, can't see throwing this one away anytime soon.
 
2011-12-19 09:18:04 AM

FinFangFark: KarmicDisaster: * Flash drives aren't going anywhere until everywhere has a high speed internet connection to use the "cloud", and providers remove the data caps and have real unlimited data. Until then, you need some other way to store your stuff. Even at my house my upload speed is too slow for backups that could be done in a few seconds on a flash drive.

* FAX machines aren't going anywhere until they change the laws about electronic transmission of signatures. Until then, insurance, real estate, lawyers and medical firms will keep using them.

See here in lies the problem. The average consumer doesn't know about all the data caps on bandwidth, until it happens.

"Uh, why can't I watch Netflix on my tablet while I play words with friends on my phone and stream music to my PC from my cloud?"

Well, if your on Comcast, like me, that 250GB for the non tech user is big enough, for now. But if you go cloud, and have all your devices Wified on your network, and transfer your local files to the cloud, that 250GB will go faster than you think.

A friend called me, worried why his internet was out. Comcast told him he met his cap. Well, he's got 4 kids, two boys that game all day, two girls that sit on the computer and a wife that streams. Oh yeah, and he has his porn alone time. (Yeah, they need to get out more).

But I set up his network and devices for him. Of course it was my fault when the cap was reached, b/c he and his wife are an unfrozen cavemen, and go full retard when there's an issue, but when there are people over to show off, his wife is Kim f*#king Kommando.


Well, that's why I don't help people, even family members, with their computers any more. If you even touch it to fix something, or tell them to install Firefox you fool, then every single thing that happens after that is your fault because "ever since you told me to install Firefox I get all these popups" "did you actually install Firefox?" "no I could not find it on the desktop". Now if someone asks, I stare blankly and say that I use an Apple and don't know how to work a computer.
 
2011-12-19 09:18:31 AM

KarmicDisaster: The other thing about Flash drives is... they keep getting bigger for the same price. That didn't happen much with floppy disks, they peaked out at about 1.4MB/disk and the technology could not be extended.


2.88mb for PC formatted, 3.2MB for Commodore Formatted. Extended Density died out fast, anyway. Zip disks died when CD's became cheaper than the materials they're made out of.
 
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