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(Economist) Spiffy For the first time in forty years America's prison population has actually decreased. Either the costs of locking up non-violent offenders is to blame, or Obama is releasing them to rape your women and children   (economist.com) divider line 69
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2011-12-19 12:39:58 AM
It's true if you're California (new window), at least.

/guilty until proven innocent
//move along, citizen
 
2011-12-19 12:45:24 AM
$44,860 (Rhode Island) in 2005 per prisoner per year.

I'm so glad we're first in something.
 
2011-12-19 01:16:35 AM
We could cut it in half with some drug law reform and save money by trying to rehabilitate addicts instead of locking them up.
 
2011-12-19 01:21:08 AM
violentsalvation: We could cut it in half with some drug law reform and save money by trying to rehabilitate addicts instead of locking them up.

Or we could do the even more logical (and free!) thing by putting God back in the classroom, where He belongs.
 
2011-12-19 01:29:25 AM
violentsalvation: We could cut it in half with some drug law reform and save money by trying to rehabilitate addicts instead of locking them up.

Why would we want anything like logic involved in this discussion?
 
2011-12-19 02:28:32 AM
Hydra: It's true if you're California (new window), at least.

/guilty until proven innocent
//move along, citizen


They're "releasing" low-level offenders and sending them to County Jails. Not exactly throwing the gates open, more like shifting the burden.
 
2011-12-19 02:39:37 AM
Lionel Mandrake: Hydra: It's true if you're California (new window), at least.

/guilty until proven innocent
//move along, citizen

They're "releasing" low-level offenders and sending them to County Jails. Not exactly throwing the gates open, more like shifting the burden.


Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
 
2011-12-19 02:46:47 AM
Indolent: Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Exactamundo
 
2011-12-19 04:50:35 AM
25% of the worlds prison population is held in the US.

let freedom ring? (new window)
 
2011-12-19 05:35:35 AM
violentsalvation: We could cut it in half with some drug law reform and save money by trying to rehabilitate addicts instead of locking them up.

It appears that this is working successfully elsewhere. (new window)
 
2011-12-19 06:10:11 AM
xl5150: Or we could do the even more logical (and free!) thing by putting God back in the classroom, where He belongs.

Well, child molestation is usually nonviolent...
 
2011-12-19 06:14:07 AM
xl5150: violentsalvation: We could cut it in half with some drug law reform and save money by trying to rehabilitate addicts instead of locking them up.

Or we could do the even more logical (and free!) thing by putting God back in the classroom, where He belongs.


This one was good. It almost got me.
 
2011-12-19 06:19:40 AM
xl5150: violentsalvation: We could cut it in half with some drug law reform and save money by trying to rehabilitate addicts instead of locking them up.

Or we could do the even more logical (and free!) thing by putting God back in the classroom, where He belongs.


That's ridiculous - our classrooms are already small and overcrowded, and God is like, HUGE.
 
2011-12-19 06:20:12 AM
i25.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-19 06:22:27 AM
jso2897: xl5150: violentsalvation: We could cut it in half with some drug law reform and save money by trying to rehabilitate addicts instead of locking them up.

Or we could do the even more logical (and free!) thing by putting God back in the classroom, where He belongs.

That's ridiculous - our classrooms are already small and overcrowded, and God is like, HUGE.


Don't be daft. God is omnipresent. He is everywhere at once, but we still exist and can move around, so obviously He's like the air. Except in space where there isn't any air, just vacuum. So for the most part, God is like a vacuum, and sometimes He's like the air.
 
2011-12-19 06:22:37 AM
NewportBarGuy: $44,860 (Rhode Island) in 2005 per prisoner per year.

I'm so glad we're first in something.


I love how the minimum wage is so much less that the cost of living that the state pays for an imprisoned criminal. Enjoy your McDonald's wage that won't even rent you a concrete cell in RI which includes a complimentary security force that is apparently pro-rape.

/I know...exceptions for death row and high security and all that
//still
 
2011-12-19 06:23:50 AM
Well, with the NDAA, there's not really gonna be need for jails/prisons. Those are only for legally detained people with proof. You don't need proof with the NDAA as you are guilty before proven innocent and they can keep you as long as they want, wherever.

Oh yeah, and since Hollywood is taking over the government with their SOPA and ProtectIP or whatever you call those, either there will be an increase of grannies downloading rap music who get sent to prison or there will be a lot of missing teens without a trace.
 
2011-12-19 06:24:17 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: Don't be daft. God is omnipresent. He is everywhere at once, but we still exist and can move around...

That would mean God is also up little boys' buttholes.
 
2011-12-19 06:24:44 AM
I have a splendid idea...My plan is called the, "Prison-In-Place" plan. Instead of locking these folks up in jail, the perp is fitted with a 400 pound security shoe. much like a car-boot, it maintains the location of the individual and allows them to be cared for by relatives. If they want food, they had better be cordial! If they want a sponge-bath or a conjugal visit, they better lay on the charm.
 
2011-12-19 06:27:18 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897: xl5150: violentsalvation: We could cut it in half with some drug law reform and save money by trying to rehabilitate addicts instead of locking them up.

Or we could do the even more logical (and free!) thing by putting God back in the classroom, where He belongs.

That's ridiculous - our classrooms are already small and overcrowded, and God is like, HUGE.

Don't be daft. God is omnipresent. He is everywhere at once, but we still exist and can move around, so obviously He's like the air. Except in space where there isn't any air, just vacuum. So for the most part, God is like a vacuum, and sometimes He's like the air.


God is neutrinos.

Neutrinos are everywhere, but have no effect. Their basic properties are disputed and it's claimed they can violate the known laws of physics. Are we off topic now? Um, damn you prison industrial complex! You call this a free nation! Bah!
 
2011-12-19 06:32:00 AM
that bosnian sniper: AverageAmericanGuy: Don't be daft. God is omnipresent. He is everywhere at once, but we still exist and can move around...

That would mean God is also up little boys' buttholes.


Jesus loves the little children.
 
2011-12-19 06:34:48 AM
Baryogenesis: AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897: xl5150: violentsalvation: We could cut it in half with some drug law reform and save money by trying to rehabilitate addicts instead of locking them up.

Or we could do the even more logical (and free!) thing by putting God back in the classroom, where He belongs.

That's ridiculous - our classrooms are already small and overcrowded, and God is like, HUGE.

Don't be daft. God is omnipresent. He is everywhere at once, but we still exist and can move around, so obviously He's like the air. Except in space where there isn't any air, just vacuum. So for the most part, God is like a vacuum, and sometimes He's like the air.

God is neutrinos.

Neutrinos are everywhere, but have no effect. Their basic properties are disputed and it's claimed they can violate the known laws of physics. Are we off topic now? Um, damn you prison industrial complex! You call this a free nation! Bah!


God is the Higgs Boson. A lot of people believe in him, but can't actually find him.
 
2011-12-19 06:38:10 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: that bosnian sniper: AverageAmericanGuy: Don't be daft. God is omnipresent. He is everywhere at once, but we still exist and can move around...

That would mean God is also up little boys' buttholes.

Jesus loves the little children.


They are precious in his sight.
 
2011-12-19 06:43:17 AM
ajgeek: God is the Higgs Boson. A lot of people believe in him, but can't actually find him.

I feel that I am being nerd trolled.
 
2011-12-19 06:48:39 AM
xl5150: Or we could do the even more logical (and free!) thing by putting God back in the classroom, where He belongs.

I fully support this. Having read many manuscripts written by God, I want him back in the classroom where he can learn how to use a friggin' comma.
 
2011-12-19 06:50:57 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897: xl5150: violentsalvation: We could cut it in half with some drug law reform and save money by trying to rehabilitate addicts instead of locking them up.

Or we could do the even more logical (and free!) thing by putting God back in the classroom, where He belongs.

That's ridiculous - our classrooms are already small and overcrowded, and God is like, HUGE.

Don't be daft. God is omnipresent. He is everywhere at once, but we still exist and can move around, so obviously He's like the air. Except in space where there isn't any air, just vacuum. So for the most part, God is like a vacuum, and sometimes He's like the air.


Does that mean god is... up my arse?
 
2011-12-19 06:53:11 AM
Andrew Cuomo is the Governor of the state of New York. Mario Cuomo was his father. The person who wrote the article should research first, write second.
 
2011-12-19 06:53:13 AM
 
2011-12-19 06:55:15 AM
Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I fully support this. Having read many manuscripts written by God, I want him back in the classroom where he can learn how to use a friggin' comma.

Given the state of our educational system currently, God would go into the classroom and come out writing like this:

"U r not 2 kill ne1"
"U r not 2 hv other gods lol"
"no st33lin"
"listen 2 ur mom n dad"
"idolzzzz R bad"
"chillax on sun"
 
2011-12-19 07:06:02 AM
doglover: [i25.photobucket.com image 178x312]

I LOL'd because I just read that comic.

/everyone gets seconds
 
2011-12-19 07:09:49 AM
AverageAmericanGuy:
Don't be daft. God is omnipresent. He is everywhere at once, but we still exist and can move around, so obviously He's like the air. Except in space where there isn't any air, just vacuum. So for the most part, God is like a vacuum, and sometimes He's like the air.


So... God is the aether?

I thought we disproved the existence of the aether.
 
2011-12-19 07:18:45 AM
Does it matter?

www.styleblueprint.com
 
2011-12-19 07:21:55 AM
I keep hearing stats about how we have more people in prison than any other country. Now are there numbers out there that show how many exactly are incarcerated for non-violent crimes as a percentage? I'm just wondering, are we throwing people in jail for minor offenses or do we really have a problem with just not breaking the law.

I mean I don't think there are many countries that wouldn't punish you for say breaking and entering.
 
2011-12-19 07:22:16 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897: xl5150: violentsalvation: We could cut it in half with some drug law reform and save money by trying to rehabilitate addicts instead of locking them up.

Or we could do the even more logical (and free!) thing by putting God back in the classroom, where He belongs.

That's ridiculous - our classrooms are already small and overcrowded, and God is like, HUGE.

Don't be daft. God is omnipresent. He is everywhere at once, but we still exist and can move around, so obviously He's like the air. Except in space where there isn't any air, just vacuum. So for the most part, God is like a vacuum, and sometimes He's like the air.


So you're saying he's gay: he sucks and blows.

/NTTAWWT
 
2011-12-19 07:28:44 AM
Hide yo wife
 
2011-12-19 07:29:59 AM
Fon_Win: 25% of the worlds prison population is held in the US.

let freedom ring? (new window)


came to say something similar. America has locked up the most people ever, in all of the history of any nation, as absolute numbers and as a percentage of the population.

This could mean either Americans are just bad or the laws are just bad or the education system produces criminals or many other negative things.

Enjoy your Land of the Freetm (to do what we tell you or we will throw you in jail)
 
2011-12-19 07:31:25 AM
Mister Peejay: I LOL'd because I just read that comic.

YOU'RE A PERVERT!
 
2011-12-19 07:35:11 AM
cardboardgods.files.wordpress.com

Never understood why the media was all over this guy or why Dukakis got in such trouble for being a Tigers fan.

//i'm such an old fart that i remember watching Horton play in Tiger Stadium when i was a kid
///damn, that man could could send the ball into the sky
 
2011-12-19 07:37:49 AM
whiterrabbit: I have a splendid idea...My plan is called the, "Prison-In-Place" plan. Instead of locking these folks up in jail, the perp is fitted with a 400 pound security shoe. much like a car-boot, it maintains the location of the individual and allows them to be cared for by relatives. If they want food, they had better be cordial! If they want a sponge-bath or a conjugal visit, they better lay on the charm.

This is very similar to my "give the victim the key" policy where the victim is given the key to the cell and can let out the perp at a time they feel fits the crime. This works very well in murder cases. Also `victimless` crimes where the perp is handed the key in place of the victim.
 
2011-12-19 07:42:40 AM
Indolent: Lionel Mandrake: Hydra: It's true if you're California (new window), at least.

/guilty until proven innocent
//move along, citizen

They're "releasing" low-level offenders and sending them to County Jails. Not exactly throwing the gates open, more like shifting the burden.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul.


Exactly. Much like the recent medical coverage reform takes $500 million from medicare by the fed and dumps the cost onto the state. See, we're SAVING money.
 
2011-12-19 07:43:26 AM
Tat'dGreaser: I keep hearing stats about how we have more people in prison than any other country. Now are there numbers out there that show how many exactly are incarcerated for non-violent crimes as a percentage? I'm just wondering, are we throwing people in jail for minor offenses or do we really have a problem with just not breaking the law.

I mean I don't think there are many countries that wouldn't punish you for say breaking and entering.


Well it is a combination. Part of it is legit imprisoning, that is people being put in jail for real crimes (as in crimes that have a victim). This is for a lat of reasons but the US is a large country, with a lot of racial and economic diversity, which makes for friction, and a pretty civilized one, meaning that it prosecutes crimes and doesn't just ignore them. Also it isn't like some low crime places that uses extremely cruel punishments (like Singapore) that are good deterrents but bad for human rights. So some of it is due to that.

However a good portion is the war on drugs thing. People get busted for a drug crime, and it starts a big downward spiral. This is particularly true with things like mandatory minimum sentences, small amounts that count as "intent to distribute" and so on. A person gets busted and doesn't get community services or a little time at a local jail, they get sent to prison. Also US prisons are not well designed, they are all about removing people and being mean to them, not about rehabilitation. So the person who went in a a druggie comes out as a more hardened criminal, being exposed to all that, and then commits more crime and so on.

So there are multiple reasons, but a big amount of it could and should be reduced by being more sensible.
 
2011-12-19 07:44:14 AM
dready zim: whiterrabbit: I have a splendid idea...My plan is called the, "Prison-In-Place" plan. Instead of locking these folks up in jail, the perp is fitted with a 400 pound security shoe. much like a car-boot, it maintains the location of the individual and allows them to be cared for by relatives. If they want food, they had better be cordial! If they want a sponge-bath or a conjugal visit, they better lay on the charm.

This is very similar to my "give the victim the key" policy where the victim is given the key to the cell and can let out the perp at a time they feel fits the crime. This works very well in murder cases. Also `victimless` crimes where the perp is handed the key in place of the victim.


I need to become a politician or high level executive in your world and start embezzling.
 
2011-12-19 07:52:04 AM
Just let the women with kids out early. It was probably a man's fault they were in there anyways.
 
2011-12-19 07:52:11 AM
sycraft: So there are multiple reasons, but a big amount of it could and should be reduced by being more sensible.

Oh no, I understand and agree just wondering if there was a percentage. Like how much is it due to the War on Drugs and how much was crime not involved. Although that number would be skewed because people commit crimes because of the drug trade. Oy vey, never mind. I made my own head hurt.
 
2011-12-19 07:53:04 AM
dready zim: Fon_Win: 25% of the worlds prison population is held in the US.

let freedom ring? (new window)

came to say something similar. America has locked up the most people ever, in all of the history of any nation, as absolute numbers and as a percentage of the population.

This could mean either Americans are just bad or the laws are just bad or the education system produces criminals or many other negative things.

Enjoy your Land of the Freetm (to do what we tell you or we will throw you in jail)


It may have something to do with a for profit 'justice system'. Pay your fees or go back to jail. Privatizing it made everything worse.
 
2011-12-19 07:56:20 AM
Tat'dGreaser: sycraft: So there are multiple reasons, but a big amount of it could and should be reduced by being more sensible.

Oh no, I understand and agree just wondering if there was a percentage. Like how much is it due to the War on Drugs and how much was crime not involved. Although that number would be skewed because people commit crimes because of the drug trade. Oy vey, never mind. I made my own head hurt.


You could look up the number of non violent non gang related drug offenses. That'd likely capture the demographic you're looking for.
 
2011-12-19 08:13:11 AM
Baryogenesis: You could look up the number of non violent non gang related drug offenses.

Not trying to sound like an apologist, because I think that ending the War on Drugs (tm) tomorrow isn't soon enough, but it's much easier to convict someone for possession of crack than for being involved in a gang that murders people. So if you're the DA, you charge them with possession with intent, get the easy conviction to add to your numbers for re-election next year, and still get to talk about putting gang members behind bars.
 
2011-12-19 08:14:52 AM
What good a marauding bands of mulatos if you keep them locked up all the time?

/i keed
 
2011-12-19 08:52:12 AM
Making room for all the political prisoners that the army will be gathering, now that Congress voted to authorize it. Nothing to see here, citizen. Move along.
 
2011-12-19 10:22:56 AM
Roe v Wade
 
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