T-bagging was invented in BAAASTAN for a reason.

Subby failed to work in a Lions reference.

Was anyone really delusional enough to believe Denver stood a chance at beating the Pat's?

kronicfeld: Competent, capable, legitimate NFL quarterbacks run 30 yards backward on fourth down.

With such little time left in the game, should he have just thrown it away? Is that what a "competent, capable, legitmate NFL quarterback" would do? Guy tried to make a play with two defenders in his face. What's the problem? If he throws it away, it doesn't change the outcome of the game. If he scrambles and makes a play as he's done many times this year then he's a hero.

Oh, I'm sorry, you just wanted to talk shiat about Tebow, facts be damned. Carry on, then.

Whatever. It was still a good game. Was routing for the Patriots, but a week of the media if Tebow had won would've been glorious.

/Seahawks fan.
//a wild card means a loss in New Orleans and 10 slots lost in the draft for a new QB.
///grumble

All things considered, Denver didn't do too badly. They legitimately gave NE a run for their money in the first half

Tom Brady has 99 problems but Tebiatch ain't one.

Didn't see the game, but his stats don't look bad aside from, as usual, completion %(Which people on both sides have said he needs to improve).

Not a lot of teams win when they turn the ball over three times and give up 41 points. Getting dominated in TOP wasn't good either.

From what it sounds like to me the 30 yard loss scramble was late when it didn't matter(I presume when they were down 41-23 in 4 minutes to go?), so...

In actuality Timmy played a very good game all told but his defense finally failed to show up for him. People are going to do the whole "we told you so" thing about this game but the fact is that just as Timmy wasn't beating teams during the streak, he also didn't lose this one.

As Denver's defense goes so the Broncos go. Simple as that. Anyone trying to pin this loss on Tebow would be just as delusional as those who were giving him credit for the wins.

Hmm, last week, due to opponent incompetency and a kicker booting 60 yard FG:
"tebow wins the game again. It amazing how awesome he is. He just wins!"

This week: "Well, this is a team loss."

I expect to hear this a lot next season.

snowshovel: Hmm, last week, due to opponent incompetency and a kicker booting 60 yard FG:
"tebow wins the game again. It amazing how awesome he is. He just wins!"

This week: "Well, this is a team loss."

I expect to hear this a lot next season.

Who would you blame when the team gets 41 dropped on them?

kronicfeld: Competent, capable, legitimate NFL quarterbacks run 30 yards backward on fourth down.

What about Tony Romo?

*Ducks*

/It was Garbage Time

//Just like you say whenever he completes a pass in the 4th quarter

Pratty: snowshovel: Hmm, last week, due to opponent incompetency and a kicker booting 60 yard FG:
"tebow wins the game again. It amazing how awesome he is. He just wins!"

This week: "Well, this is a team loss."

I expect to hear this a lot next season.

Who would you blame when the team gets 41 dropped on them?

His 2 fumbles on their side of the field didnt help.

Pratty: snowshovel: Hmm, last week, due to opponent incompetency and a kicker booting 60 yard FG:
"tebow wins the game again. It amazing how awesome he is. He just wins!"

This week: "Well, this is a team loss."

I expect to hear this a lot next season.

Who would you blame when the team gets 41 dropped on them?

If you really expect to beat elite teams by scoring 23 points then you really need to reevaluate your offensive competency. Why is it so hard for people to admit this guy is a mediocre QB in the perfect position? Good QB's can put their team on their back when the D doesn't show up, Timmy is used to being a joke for 3 quarters and then showing up for one drive and stealing all the credit and for some inexplicable reason people are still eating it up.

/Congrats on all the meaningless wins though against awful teams so you can make the playoffs and get absolutely destroyed by a real team.
//LOL at the farking veer option in the NFL playoffs, what an absolute disgrace to a wonderful game

He thanked Jesus Christ before he thanked his teammates.

Tim Tebow is not winning these games for the Broncos. Tim Tebow is not losing these games for the Broncos. Tim Tebow does as good as the rest of the team performs. No better and no worse.

What Tim Tebow has done is turn the Broncos into a relevant team. They are much more fun to watch than they were under Orton. They are winning much more than they were under Orton.

I still don't think Tebow will ever turn into an all-Pro caliber quarterback and I don't think he'll ever lead a team to a Super Bowl. But I do think the chances of these two things happening is higher than I would have thought two months ago. And at that time I was accused of being a Tebow fanboy. Just for saying something along the lines of "They suck so why not?" It's funny how things change over a season.

Donnchadha: nyseattitude: Was anyone really delusional enough to believe Denver stood a chance at beating the Pat's?

Beating the Pat's what?

PENIS!

kronicfeld: Tim Tebow is not going to sleep with you.

You don't know this.

nyseattitude: Was anyone really delusional enough to believe Denver stood a chance at beating the Pat's?

Yes.

AdmirableSnackbar: kronicfeld: Competent, capable, legitimate NFL quarterbacks run 30 yards backward on fourth down.

With such little time left in the game, should he have just thrown it away? Is that what a "competent, capable, legitmate NFL quarterback" would do? Guy tried to make a play with two defenders in his face. What's the problem? If he throws it away, it doesn't change the outcome of the game. If he scrambles and makes a play as he's done many times this year then he's a hero.

Oh, I'm sorry, you just wanted to talk shiat about Tebow, facts be damned. Carry on, then.

Well at least the game actually has goalposts so when you move them you don't look as ridiculous.

Patriots > Tebow

Did Tebow cry after the game? I like it when he cries.

I had Snu Snu: Pratty: snowshovel: Hmm, last week, due to opponent incompetency and a kicker booting 60 yard FG:
"tebow wins the game again. It amazing how awesome he is. He just wins!"

This week: "Well, this is a team loss."

I expect to hear this a lot next season.

Who would you blame when the team gets 41 dropped on them?

If you really expect to beat elite teams by scoring 23 points then you really need to reevaluate your offensive competency. Why is it so hard for people to admit this guy is a mediocre QB in the perfect position? Good QB's can put their team on their back when the D doesn't show up, Timmy is used to being a joke for 3 quarters and then showing up for one drive and stealing all the credit and for some inexplicable reason people are still eating it up.

/Congrats on all the meaningless wins though against awful teams so you can make the playoffs and get absolutely destroyed by a real team.
//LOL at the farking veer option in the NFL playoffs, what an absolute disgrace to a wonderful game

There is nothing to admit yet because we aren't under the impression that a QB who didn't play in a pro system during college has maxed out his skill level in less than a season of starts.

I only hope he becomes a completely middle-of-the-pack starter. If he becomes great or flames out, people will always talk about him. He needs to be just good enough to be forgettable.

Maybe you should drive: Tim Tebow is not winning these games for the Broncos. Tim Tebow is not losing these games for the Broncos. Tim Tebow does as good as the rest of the team performs. No better and no worse.

What Tim Tebow has done is turn the Broncos into a relevant team. They are much more fun to watch than they were under Orton. They are winning much more than they were under Orton.

I still don't think Tebow will ever turn into an all-Pro caliber quarterback and I don't think he'll ever lead a team to a Super Bowl. But I do think the chances of these two things happening is higher than I would have thought two months ago. And at that time I was accused of being a Tebow fanboy. Just for saying something along the lines of "They suck so why not?" It's funny how things change over a season.

They didn't really "suck", they played some good teams. Timmy got to come in and play a bunch of bad teams and backup QB's and people acted like he was an actual NFL QB. It's just amazing to me that people can't look past wins and losses and see how badly this guy has performed since he took over.

Did you see the difference between him and Brady tonight? Of course not many were putting him at that level but Brady can actually score without a couple reverses, a bunch of read options, a few more trick plays, and 60 yards by his running back. Do you honestly think the veer option is a viable NFL offense for the long term? Geez, the ignorance of some people is just astounding.

the1hatman: In actuality Timmy played a very good game all told but his defense finally failed to show up for him. People are going to do the whole "we told you so" thing about this game but the fact is that just as Timmy wasn't beating teams during the streak, he also didn't lose this one.

As Denver's defense goes so the Broncos go. Simple as that. Anyone trying to pin this loss on Tebow would be just as delusional as those who were giving him credit for the wins.

So..what you're saying is one man can't be credited with all the wins?

It's almost Christmas. God had other shiat to pay attention to.

EvilMonkeyBoy: I had Snu Snu: Pratty: snowshovel: Hmm, last week, due to opponent incompetency and a kicker booting 60 yard FG:
"tebow wins the game again. It amazing how awesome he is. He just wins!"

This week: "Well, this is a team loss."

I expect to hear this a lot next season.

Who would you blame when the team gets 41 dropped on them?

If you really expect to beat elite teams by scoring 23 points then you really need to reevaluate your offensive competency. Why is it so hard for people to admit this guy is a mediocre QB in the perfect position? Good QB's can put their team on their back when the D doesn't show up, Timmy is used to being a joke for 3 quarters and then showing up for one drive and stealing all the credit and for some inexplicable reason people are still eating it up.

/Congrats on all the meaningless wins though against awful teams so you can make the playoffs and get absolutely destroyed by a real team.
//LOL at the farking veer option in the NFL playoffs, what an absolute disgrace to a wonderful game

There is nothing to admit yet because we aren't under the impression that a QB who didn't play in a pro system during college has maxed out his skill level in less than a season of starts.

I only hope he becomes a completely middle-of-the-pack starter. If he becomes great or flames out, people will always talk about him. He needs to be just good enough to be forgettable.

Plenty of guys didn't play in pro systems in college and had just as little NFL caliber talent as Tebow and they didn't get a chance to play at this level. It's a disgrace and a joke that he gets the opportunity when so many deserving people haven't. It makes it even worse that he gets every drop of glory from his teammates successes and his shortcomings are ignored or excused away.

StrangeQ: AdmirableSnackbar: kronicfeld: Competent, capable, legitimate NFL quarterbacks run 30 yards backward on fourth down.

With such little time left in the game, should he have just thrown it away? Is that what a "competent, capable, legitmate NFL quarterback" would do? Guy tried to make a play with two defenders in his face. What's the problem? If he throws it away, it doesn't change the outcome of the game. If he scrambles and makes a play as he's done many times this year then he's a hero.

Oh, I'm sorry, you just wanted to talk shiat about Tebow, facts be damned. Carry on, then.

Well at least the game actually has goalposts so when you move them you don't look as ridiculous.

Oh, you're going to use that bullshiat again. At least it follows the Tebow Irrational Detractor Protocol. When someone counters your bullshiat you claim the goalposts have been moved when, in fact, they have not.

sn0wblind: Pratty: snowshovel: Hmm, last week, due to opponent incompetency and a kicker booting 60 yard FG:
"tebow wins the game again. It amazing how awesome he is. He just wins!"

This week: "Well, this is a team loss."

I expect to hear this a lot next season.

Who would you blame when the team gets 41 dropped on them?

His 2 fumbles on their side of the field didnt help.

Nor did their other fumbles which got lost as well. When one says "The team lost", that kind of includes Tim Tebow, as shocking as that may sound. As I said, he should have completed more passes, especially against the Pats D.

I had Snu Snu: Pratty: snowshovel: Hmm, last week, due to opponent incompetency and a kicker booting 60 yard FG:
"tebow wins the game again. It amazing how awesome he is. He just wins!"

This week: "Well, this is a team loss."

I expect to hear this a lot next season.

Who would you blame when the team gets 41 dropped on them?

If you really expect to beat elite teams by scoring 23 points then you really need to reevaluate your offensive competency. Why is it so hard for people to admit this guy is a mediocre QB in the perfect position? Good QB's can put their team on their back when the D doesn't show up, Timmy is used to being a joke for 3 quarters and then showing up for one drive and stealing all the credit and for some inexplicable reason people are still eating it up.

/Congrats on all the meaningless wins though against awful teams so you can make the playoffs and get absolutely destroyed by a real team.
//LOL at the farking veer option in the NFL playoffs, what an absolute disgrace to a wonderful game

And if you really expect to beat elite teams by getting 41 dropped on you, you either have Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees or Tom Brady(Or, if he comes back, Peyton Manning) under center or you expect to have a lot of losses.

Tebow did put his team on his back in the Vikings game where the Broncos scored 36, but he should have also scored 36 here because frankly the Pats D sucks. But any time you go into the fourth quarter down by three scores? Yeah, you're toast, except for the rare exceptions.

Tebow ran for 93 yards, threw for 194 but only completed half his passes...but also got two of their only TDs of the game. Tebow is to blame for not carving up the secondary more than he should have, but he did not have a bad game. It's just that he needs to improve. And I've said before, you can look at past threads if you wish to accuse me of moving goalposts or whatever, I want him to get next year(JaMarcus Russell got 27 starts, why shouldn't Tebow?). That has not changed.

/Going into halftime 27-16 isn't impossible, but it is a pretty tough position
//Going into the fourth 34-16? Yeah, you're screwed
///If you credit the D for the win, you credit them for the loss. If you credit Tebow for the win, you credit him for the loss. If you credit both, you credit both. Tebow should have completed more passes, the D should have not gotten 41 dropped on it, fumbling 3 times lost but not having your own turnovers will kill you.