Yay, socialized medicine!

Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: Yay, socialized medicine!

Social workers, not socialized medicine.

If we have 'required insurance' here then 1 dr's opinion can become a diagnosis that will follow you forever.

I wish this was somewhere other than the Daily Fail. I would really like to get my rant on, but alas, I am calling shenanigans on this story.

I'm surprised these two could figure out Tab A into Slot B without starting a fire and clogging 3 toilets.

skinink: "But their nightmare began when in an unprecedented step social workers in their home town of Dunfermline, Fife, dramatically halted their church wedding - claiming she was not intelligent enough to understand the vows."
Neither do half the married couples that wind up getting divorced. Till Death do you part!!!!!

Dunfermline is NOT IN ENGLAND Subby.

If the Daily Mail has a picture of the couple complaining about treatment, I'm sure they've reported the story completely fairly. I'm also sure they received no fee for this either. I especially like how there's no corroboration that any of the facts in this are true.

I love it how Americans read Daily Mail articles and base their opinion of the UK off of it.

/Thinks the Daily Mail is a propaganda rag that would spoil the taste of the fish and chips that it wraps.

Gordon Bennett: skinink: "But their nightmare began when in an unprecedented step social workers in their home town of Dunfermline, Fife, dramatically halted their church wedding - claiming she was not intelligent enough to understand the vows."
Neither do half the married couples that wind up getting divorced. Till Death do you part!!!!!

Dunfermline is NOT IN ENGLAND Subby.

pretty good chance subby dnftfa/have any farking idea where that is

pecosdave: I have an IQ is[sic] almost the genius range

Now if you could just claim to be a black belt in a martial art, you'd basically be the cover of internet tough guy magazine.

This was happening in America 100 years ago. A tenet of Progressivism was preservation of the quality of the breeding pool by excluding the mentally unfit, which lead to the sterilization of many young women who scored poorly on the new IQ test.

Animatronik: This was happening in America 100 years ago. A tenet of Progressivism was preservation of the quality of the breeding pool by excluding the mentally unfit, which lead to the sterilization of many young women who scored poorly on the new IQ test.

Ja, das ist zehr gut...

On the other hand if you want an abortion in Eire you have to go to the UK.

Animatronik: This was happening in America 100 years ago. A tenet of Progressivism was preservation of the quality of the breeding pool by excluding the mentally unfit, which lead to the sterilization of many young women who scored poorly on the new IQ test.

No one is trustworthy enough to be given the power to decide who is and isn't allowed to have children. I don't care how incapable the parents seem. Let them have the kid, keep tabs on them, and if they're harming the child THEN take the child away. I understand the impulse to try and head off future problems, but I don't believe in punishing people for stuff they *might* get wrong in the future.

ITT: People angry that the state won't let morons raise children, despite constantly complaining that stupid people are breeding.

So you've heard of the Arsenal fan who moved to Dublin and improved the average IQs of both England and Ireland?

pecosdave: Learning difficulties and being stupid are completely different things. I have an IQ is almost the genius range, yet I have learning difficulties. It was hell in school because they taught by memorization and I can't memorize "random/numerical data" rapidly. I had to have a concept before I had a word to describe it, I learned slow but always passed the semester. I aced the sciences, because once I had a concept I understood it and often learned details of it most people would miss. I work with brilliant engineers who can't spell. I work with people who can come up with the most awesome and intricate wiring diagrams, data flow charts, and general equipment data-flow designs you can imagine yet severely hose things up when it comes to figuring out how to physically install the stuff in a cabinet.

I don't think stupid people should be breeding, but I don't have enough data to dismiss this gal as stupid.

O RLY?

pecosdave: Learning difficulties and being stupid are completely different things. I have an IQ is almost the genius range, yet I have learning difficulties. It was hell in school because they taught by memorization and I can't memorize "random/numerical data" rapidly. I had to have a concept before I had a word to describe it, I learned slow but always passed the semester. I aced the sciences, because once I had a concept I understood it and often learned details of it most people would miss. I work with brilliant engineers who can't spell. I work with people who can come up with the most awesome and intricate wiring diagrams, data flow charts, and general equipment data-flow designs you can imagine yet severely hose things up when it comes to figuring out how to physically install the stuff in a cabinet.

I don't think stupid people should be breeding, but I don't have enough data to dismiss this gal as stupid.

*clicks around, looking for the 'like' button*

So...are they on the dole yet or what?

So they realized what Edward I did in Braveheart; that Scotland is full of Scots.

Love the husband's Freddy Kreuger shirt.

Subby's an asshole who either didn't read his/her OWN article, or, is just and asshole.

"Learning difficulties" is not the same as "unfit parent."

Also note that the lady was raised in social care - this means that unlike normal kids, she's probably had a psych evaluation every 6 months her entire life. It is my firm belief that practically ANYONE who goes through one of those will be flagged as having some "mild learning difficult", in her case it's probably "didn't do well at school because other kids pick on the kid in social care".

She's intelligent enough to string together rational sentences, not drool when someone's taking a photo, and has a supportive husband? Leave her ALONE.

/ And as many have pointed out, Subby, Dunfermline is not in England.
// Sadly this outrage occurred here in Scotland. I feel ashamed.

DON.MAC: My mother was doing social work and was helping a women who didn't know how many kids she had and wondered why her one year old kid wouldn't eat steak.

I don't get it...why wouldn't he? My one year is crazy about steak. Of course, kids that age get on weird food kicks and sometimes there's no predicting what they will or won't eat.

cs30109: DON.MAC: My mother was doing social work and was helping a women who didn't know how many kids she had and wondered why her one year old kid wouldn't eat steak.


I don't get it...why wouldn't he? My one year old is crazy about steak. Of course, kids that age get on weird food kicks and sometimes there's no predicting what they will or won't eat.

FTFM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Bezoar: pecosdave: Learning difficulties and being stupid are completely different things. I have an IQ is almost the genius range, yet I have learning difficulties. It was hell in school because they taught by memorization and I can't memorize "random/numerical data" rapidly. I had to have a concept before I had a word to describe it, I learned slow but always passed the semester. I aced the sciences, because once I had a concept I understood it and often learned details of it most people would miss. I work with brilliant engineers who can't spell. I work with people who can come up with the most awesome and intricate wiring diagrams, data flow charts, and general equipment data-flow designs you can imagine yet severely hose things up when it comes to figuring out how to physically install the stuff in a cabinet.

I don't think stupid people should be breeding, but I don't have enough data to dismiss this gal as stupid.

O RLY?

Shut the fark up.

You sound genius.

Why on earth would we be interested in the baby's weight? Who is reading this article who would honestly give a fark about how heavy either of the kids were?

Conceptually, I know that Daily Mail is a farking terrible "news" source, but they still manage to shock me sometimes.

cs30109: Animatronik: This was happening in America 100 years ago. A tenet of Progressivism was preservation of the quality of the breeding pool by excluding the mentally unfit, which lead to the sterilization of many young women who scored poorly on the new IQ test.

No one is trustworthy enough to be given the power to decide who is and isn't allowed to have children. I don't care how incapable the parents seem. Let them have the kid, keep tabs on them, and if they're harming the child THEN take the child away. I understand the impulse to try and head off future problems, but I don't believe in punishing people for stuff they *might* get wrong in the future.

i disagree. it is for the common good of mankind that defectives be sterilized. eugenics is good sound science that should be applied.

there are 7 billion on the planet as it is. being responsible stewards to the blessings of nature is way overdue. mankind as a whole has done a grand job of mucking things up around most of the globe. there is just so much clean air and clean water and in some areas it no longer exists, they already recycle toilet waste.

people shouldn't have to be born with mental and/or physical defects. it is an unfair burden for them or others to carry. being mentally ill doesn't mean you have a low IQ. people are unkind to people and things they fear or don't understand.

in the usa one must learn and pass qualifying tests to drive a motor vehicle on public thoroughfares, sell real estate or cut hair. yet we let any and every person that is able to do the horizontal boogie do so without having to be responsible for the results. that is horrible neglect on the part of those willing and able to to create and raise good productive citizens.

we live with war as a constant, crime/murder, placing people in jail for their life or executing them. we play God seven days a week. making sure we are breeding good stock is logical, productive and healthy. sound sane adults are competent to oversee such things.

not trolling, just my opinion, as unpopular as it may be.

FunkOut: Wizard Drongo:
She's intelligent enough to string together rational sentences, not drool when someone's taking a photo, and has a supportive husband? Leave her ALONE.


I met once met a girl who was only could recognise cheese that was an orange square wrapped in plastic and was confused as to what an onion was when she saw one. And she was dating. No laws to stop her from having children here in Canada.

The girl in the article sounds much more intelligent that the one I just mentioned.

I know why I'M drunk on a Sunday night, what's all ya'lls excuse?

Wizard Drongo:

She's intelligent enough to string together rational sentences, not drool when someone's taking a photo, and has a supportive husband? Leave her ALONE.

/ And as many have pointed out, Subby, Dunfermline is not in England.
// Sadly this outrage occurred here in Scotland. I feel ashamed.

It's the Daily Mail! At best, there's a 20% chance any part of this is true. I'd want a second source before believing the date they print under the masthead.

I for one am glad that social workers have been given carte blanche to decide which of us ought to have our children kidnapped by the State for their own good, since it is well known that social workers are miraculously free of the prejudices and limitations that afflict other, lesser human beings. --Besides, if any doubt ever remains as to the wisdom of their actions we can always reassure ourselves that all is well by repeatedly saying that it can't possibly be true if it was mentioned in the "Daily Fail". This mantra saves us from actually having to examine the facts of the particular case in question, which God knows would be very tiring and boring and inconvenient.

Bathia_Mapes: AbbeySomeone: Yay, socialized medicine!

Social workers, not socialized medicine.

in this case they are attempting to cut down costs of caring for retarded children. "Three Generations is enough" OWH

Ask about the Eugenics Board of North Carolina. See how well that worked out.

Foster care wasn't begun to save the kids. It was begun to furnish unpaid help to the well-to-do. It was far cheaper than an orphanage.

Kids, if they live past being pawns for everyone they might make it.

alltandubh: I for one am glad that social workers have been given carte blanche to decide which of us ought to have our children kidnapped by the State for their own good, since it is well known that social workers are miraculously free of the prejudices and limitations that afflict other, lesser human beings. --Besides, if any doubt ever remains as to the wisdom of their actions we can always reassure ourselves that all is well by repeatedly saying that it can't possibly be true if it was mentioned in the "Daily Fail". This mantra saves us from actually having to examine the facts of the particular case in question, which God knows would be very tiring and boring and inconvenient.

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Howabout we get an interview with the actual woman? All the news stories over the years involving this alleged dolt are strictly from an outsider point of view.

WE NEED PROOF OF STUPID, from her own mouth.

I'm fairly stupid and like to drink. Does that qualify me for Irish citizenship?

Kinda cute, dumb and she puts out?

Where can I get a number?

Animatronik: This was happening in America 100 years ago. A tenet of Progressivism was preservation of the quality of the breeding pool by excluding the mentally unfit, which lead to the sterilization of many young women who scored poorly on the new IQ test.

This was happening THIRTY years ago. Oregon performed the last legal forcible sterilization in 1981. Over 65,000 people were sterilized (Numbers are unknown due to poor record keeping and an abundance of illegal sterilizations without consent) most of which took place in California. Women, blacks, and amerindians were disproportionately targeted. The American Eugenics experiment was seen as a positive example by Nazi Germany, including Josef Mengele who was personally financed by the pro-eugenic Rockafeller Foundation.

alltandubh: we can always reassure ourselves that all is well by repeatedly saying that it can't possibly be true if it was mentioned in the "Daily Fail".

The Daily Mail lies. (new window)