Haspel admitted that from December 2009 to May 2010, he talked online with a person he believed to be a 13-year-old-girl

In what way is pretending to be a 13 year old girl for 6 months not entrapment?

I don't even know what side to be on here. They're both farking pigs.

BurnShrike: In what way is pretending to be a 13 year old girl for 6 months not entrapment?

they're allowed to do things us ordinary plebians are not.

/like use or carry illegal drugs

I_Am_Weasel: As the saying goes "I'm OK with this". If it were entrapment, I'd be perfectly fine within them changing the law to make it perfectly legal, anything that makes it easier to catch pedophiles.

Then I'm quite pleased that you're not in charge of things.

I can't believe how many times I have to trot this quote out, but:
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

It sure would be a problem if this picture got in the hands of inmates in Florida and the story too.

FirstNationalBastard: To be fair, the only people using chatrooms anymore are pathetic 40-year-olds pretending to be 13 year-old girls, thinking they're doing good, and cops pretending to be 13-year-old girls, Oh, and the dumb pedos who haven't learned about texting and facebook.

Dumb pedos are the ones texting. Never send incriminating texts.

It's like they say... on the internet, the women are men, the men are boys, and the boys are FBI agents.

Wait until they realize that all those sexy night elves on WoW are actually men.

that's why I only fish for Native American teens using smoke signals

Wait a second, so it is NOT entrapment if the person being baited is willing to commit a crime? What if the person is not willing to commit the crime, but you're trying to make him commit crime, what is that called? How long can you try to make someone commit crime?

What if there's a big fat 6'5" dude who walks up to you and says "I'm a sexy 13 year old girl, let's have sex!" and you say no and he still bugs you everyday saying the same lines until you say "YES!!!" just to make him go away, but in fact he's a cop who just wants to fulfill some quota or whatever at your expense? Is this entrapment or what?

In my personal opinion, before you can even try to trap/catch someone doing a crime by baiting him with stuff, you should have a god damn good reason and evidence before you even begin. I don't care if this will raise the statistics of caught pedophiles or whatever type of criminal you've got, but baiting and trapping people into doing something bad is something I'd call harassment. It might even lead to innocent people getting involved in something they would never even dare venture into just because they're already getting annoyed and decided to play along!

GreenSun: Wait a second, so it is NOT entrapment if the person being baited is willing to commit a crime? What if the person is not willing to commit the crime, but you're trying to make him commit crime, what is that called? How long can you try to make someone commit crime?

What if there's a big fat 6'5" dude who walks up to you and says "I'm a sexy 13 year old girl, let's have sex!" and you say no and he still bugs you everyday saying the same lines until you say "YES!!!" just to make him go away, but in fact he's a cop who just wants to fulfill some quota or whatever at your expense? Is this entrapment or what?

In my personal opinion, before you can even try to trap/catch someone doing a crime by baiting him with stuff, you should have a god damn good reason and evidence before you even begin. I don't care if this will raise the statistics of caught pedophiles or whatever type of criminal you've got, but baiting and trapping people into doing something bad is something I'd call harassment. It might even lead to innocent people getting involved in something they would never even dare venture into just because they're already getting annoyed and decided to play along!

Right, because innocent people log into the same chat room and look for the same 13 year old girl for months on end all while trying to get nude photos from her.

GreenSun: I don't care if this will raise the statistics of caught pedophiles or whatever type of criminal you've got, but baiting and trapping people into doing something bad is something I'd call harassment. It might even lead to innocent people getting involved in something they would never even dare venture into just because they're already getting annoyed and decided to play along!

I can't even begin to count how many times I've been harassed by people who annoyed me so much that I was forced to track down and molest them.

/yeah yeah, don't feed them

Memory aid :

Internet COP

Catching
Online
Perverts

It is really surreal that we pay adult men to pretend to be 13 year old girls online.

I'll just leave this right here:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=spot_the_pedo

(hilarious classic page)

I've been on the net since the days of 14.4 modems - and even back then (and only being about 10 years old) I knew that all the girls on the internet were actually dudes. Nothing has changed.

I could google search for 2 seconds and find a picture of a girl that LOOKS like she's under 18 - hop in a chat room and start emailing it out, it's pretty sad that even when no crime is committed you can still get your entire life ruined.

Both cops in the story are idiots -- and he's going to have one helluva time in prison. A cop AND a pedo? oh boy.

I'd call that a smugshot.

GreenSun: In my personal opinion, before you can even try to trap/catch someone doing a crime by baiting him with stuff, you should have a god damn good reason and evidence before you even begin.

I don't think the cops sent him a letter asking him to join the chat group. Also, you are assuming that the police officer was the one who started the sexual conversation, you do not know that for certain. The chat logs will be presented in court and it'll be up to the jury to decide whether it's entrapment or not.

GreenSun: What if the person is not willing to commit the crime, but you're trying to make him commit crime, what is that called? How long can you try to make someone commit crime?

Bruce Heffernen sympathizes.

accelerus: I'll just leave this right here:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=spot_the_pedo

(hilarious classic page)

I've been on the net since the days of 14.4 modems - and even back then (and only being about 10 years old) I knew that all the girls on the internet were actually dudes. Nothing has changed.

I could google search for 2 seconds and find a picture of a girl that LOOKS like she's under 18 - hop in a chat room and start emailing it out, it's pretty sad that even when no crime is committed you can still get your entire life ruined.

Both cops in the story are idiots -- and he's going to have one helluva time in prison. A cop AND a pedo? oh boy.

such fellows are segregated from general population. reduces paperwork when inmates aren't killed daily.

Lone Stranger: [media.nj.com image 240x357]

It sure would be a problem if this picture got in the hands of inmates in Florida and the story too.

Why?
Will they break out, drive to New Jersey, and shank him?

I just don't get what men see in girls this young.

I prefer girls who know what the hell they are doing.

reggaejunkiejew: It is really surreal that we pay adult men to pretend to be 13 year old girls online.

I was just thinking what an easy job that would be! I bet in between chats they look at porn online, too.

Why don't you have a seat over there?

He didn't actually rape a kid.
Let's see what sandusky gets and compare.
Also, let's see what the asshats who covered up for sandusky get.
Probably not as sever a sentence.

Don't cops normally go for little boys?

accelerus: I've been on the net since the days of 14.4 modems - and even back then (and only being about 10 years old) I knew that all the girls on the internet were actually dudes. Nothing has changed.

Having met a couple eventual girlfriends on the Net in my younger days, I can assure you that you are quite, quite wrong about how many girls/women were in the internet in the olden days.

/and on IRC at that

accelerus: I'll just leave this right here:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=spot_the_pedo

(hilarious classic page)

I've been on the net since the days of 14.4 modems - and even back then (and only being about 10 years old) I knew that all the girls on the internet were actually dudes. Nothing has changed.

I could google search for 2 seconds and find a picture of a girl that LOOKS like she's under 18 - hop in a chat room and start emailing it out, it's pretty sad that even when no crime is committed you can still get your entire life ruined.

Both cops in the story are idiots -- and he's going to have one helluva time in prison. A cop AND a pedo? oh boy.

14 of 18. 73.7% C+

I know, I know...

/window seat in the back

jingks,I don't think the cops sent him a letter asking him to join the chat group. Also, you are assuming that the police officer was the one who started the sexual conversation, you do not know that for certain. The chat logs will be presented in court and it'll be up to the jury to decide whether it's entrapment or not.

I am one of those civil right crazies who thinks that training an external group (perverted justice), to induce morally questionable men to 'have a seat over there', then be arrested by police is crossing the line.

In one situation the emoticons were left out of chat logs in court records. In another situation I would swear I saw the alleged perp call BS on the perverted justice sting logs, and encouraged the alleged pervert to join into the conversation more than once.

/Where ever there is a law and police looking to find people breaking it, the line will eventally be crossed.
//Real sickos are another story.

using a borough computer at police headquarters in Madison

Trolling for minors on your work computer is no way to go through life son.

saturn badger: accelerus: I'll just leave this right here:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=spot_the_pedo

(hilarious classic page)

I've been on the net since the days of 14.4 modems - and even back then (and only being about 10 years old) I knew that all the girls on the internet were actually dudes. Nothing has changed.

I could google search for 2 seconds and find a picture of a girl that LOOKS like she's under 18 - hop in a chat room and start emailing it out, it's pretty sad that even when no crime is committed you can still get your entire life ruined.

Both cops in the story are idiots -- and he's going to have one helluva time in prison. A cop AND a pedo? oh boy.

14 of 18. 73.7% C+

I know, I know...

/window seat in the back

Is assumed dudeship a viable defense?

I don't understand how it couldn't be. Who actually believes 13 year old girls are sending nude pics to old men?

Police: "Haha! We caught you, pedo!"
Dude: "Um, no. I just assumed you were a 40 year old dude impersonating a 13 year old girl and you were going to send me some titty pics of your sister."

Not guilty.

FTFA: "If convicted of official misconduct, which is punishable by up to 10 years in state prison with no possibility of parole until the fifth year, Haspel would have to forfeit his police job. He earned an annual salary of $92,268 last year, according to public records." [emphasis added]

Ah, the internet. Where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are FBI agents.

There's a fine line between being a cop and being a criminal. Usually it just boils down to whether he gets caught.

The first thing you learn on the internet:

Does this Pedo keep his pension while serving time, like the 'poor, destittute' politicians who are sent up the river for their crimes ?

/ Isn't there a single politician in the USA who will stand up against this costly scam ?

Boy you gotta imagine how exciting it is when running this sting and tracking the IP# to a police station. GOLD!!!

NURBS: It's like they say... on the internet, the women are men, the men are boys, and the boys are FBI agents.

I've honestly never heard that before, but it's fantastic.

It is just tempting fate, but I so want to go to a chat room, find the 13 year old, and ask about how to have a future in law enforcement?

/The LULZ would not be worth the possible headlines when the plan goes wrong..

Enemabag Jones: It is just tempting fate, but I so want to go to a chat room, find the 13 year old,

Back when chat was still the thing to do, I used to message every person claiming to be an underage girl and talk to them as if I knew they were a police officer. I just know that I had to be right about at least one of them.