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(Talking Points Memo) Scary Newt Gingrich says as President he would abide by "small government" values. Just kidding, he says he would send US Marshals to arrest any judge whose decision he disagrees with under charges of treason against America   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 475
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2011-12-18 03:42:35 PM
so he would overturn the constitution for Sharia Dominionist law?
 
2011-12-18 03:43:37 PM
He's openly running as a tyrant.
 
2011-12-18 03:54:12 PM
Aarontology: He's openly running as a tyrant.

It plays well with the base.
 
2011-12-18 03:57:29 PM
Aarontology: He's openly running as a tyrant Republican.

Fixed
 
2011-12-18 03:58:02 PM
The easiest method by far to practice small government values is to run for Mayor of Dogpatch. Small government values are appropriate to a small government and even if they are wrong and inappopriate, they don't do much harm and don't do that for all that long.

On the other hand, small government values are insane in the context of a giant imperial government that not only rules over hundreds of millions of people of all kinds, but often acts as a pace-setter for a world that is many orders of magnitude more diverse and complex than even the greatest historical empires.

La nostalgie de la boue that motivates conservatives is not scalar. You can not steer an oil tanker with the tools used to steer a dinghy.

My message to Gingrich is essentially "to go soak your head in a dinghy, you damned fool and scoundrel". When are American presidential candidates going to learn that they are not running for the job of H.R. Pufnstuff?
 
2011-12-18 04:10:00 PM
Newt Gingrich on Sunday hammered at the nation's judiciary system, saying that if a court's decision was out of step with American popular opinion, it should be ignored.



f*ck you. no, really - f*ck. you. As former speaker of the house of representatives you know better than to say shiat like this. you are supposed to support and defend the US Constitution - especially the bits you don't like. you once swore an oath to that effect.

And here you are, saying it's ok to shred the Constitution on a whim.

f*ck you.
 
2011-12-18 04:16:22 PM
Weaver95: you once swore an oath to that effect.

Because if Newt is known for anything, it's taking oaths seriously.
 
2011-12-18 04:25:48 PM
Aarontology: Weaver95: you once swore an oath to that effect.

Because if Newt is known for anything, it's taking oaths seriously.


I keep thinking that Gingrich is just yanking our chain, that this is all some sort of weird joke. But he seems to be dead serious - between his 'made up people' comments and this bullshiat about just removing an entire branch of the US government he's sounding a lot like a shoddy first draft james bond antagonist.
 
2011-12-18 04:27:49 PM
Weaver95: I keep thinking that Gingrich is just yanking our chain, that this is all some sort of weird joke.

I think openly saying he would arrest judges who ruled against his opinion shows he is, in fact, serious.
 
2011-12-18 04:31:52 PM
Aarontology: Weaver95: I keep thinking that Gingrich is just yanking our chain, that this is all some sort of weird joke.

I think openly saying he would arrest judges who ruled against his opinion shows he is, in fact, serious.


that's what gets me. was Gingrich really this bad while he was speaker of the house, or did he crack up just recently and his insanity is just starting to show...?

And then there's his followers. newt is the current GOP frontrunner. people are supporting this sort of madness!? WTF man!? is the GOP really honestly going to put forward the idea of imprisoning judges who make unpopular rulings is what the founding fathers wanted in this country? Do they expect this to play well in the heartland?
 
2011-12-18 04:33:15 PM
"My wife is a bird. Your argument is invalid."
 
2011-12-18 04:34:06 PM
Weaver95: Newt Gingrich on Sunday hammered at the nation's judiciary system, saying that if a court's decision was out of step with American popular opinion, it should be ignored.



f*ck you. no, really - f*ck. you. As former speaker of the house of representatives you know better than to say shiat like this. you are supposed to support and defend the US Constitution - especially the bits you don't like. you once swore an oath to that effect.

And here you are, saying it's ok to shred the Constitution on a whim.

f*ck you.


It becomes fark you funny a bit later on - Gingrich claims his tough stance is part of a key question going into the 2012 elections: "Do you want to move towards American exceptionalism, reassert the Constitution, reassert the nature of America, or do you, in fact, want to become a secular, European, sort of beaurocratic socialist society?"
 
2011-12-18 04:37:34 PM
Hobodeluxe: so he would overturn the constitution for Sharia Dominionist law?

Pretty much--he's pushing for stuff even MORE extreme than Andy Jackson, and has gone straight to taking pro-tips from Army of God war-porn fiction (I do wish I was making this up; suffice it to say that the Army of God, and some of its leadership, have written some very "Turner Diaries"-esque self-insertion-fanfic about how they intend to pretty much mass-arrest anyone opposing the Jesus Camper Dictatorship when they finally get power in a coup).

Now, can we make a citizen's arrest against Newt Gingrich for overtly calling for what is effectively sedition against the United States and threatening federal officials? :D
 
2011-12-18 04:41:01 PM
I keep hearing the term 'american exceptionalism' from the GOP shills. its making my brain itch.
 
2011-12-18 04:48:39 PM
He must be courting the teabagger vote
 
2011-12-18 04:50:14 PM
Aarontology: Scared

Weaver95: OH NOES!!.

Boys, boys, calm down.

This is a book tour, not a presidential campaign.

Imagine Nora Roberts going to the Harlequin Romance Readers Convention. At this point in her career, she knows that she's written the same book 45 times, but desperate sad women keep buying it hoping to get just a *little* bit wet.

That's what's happening here.
 
2011-12-18 04:51:04 PM
With all the shiate he spews forth, he's more of an a$$hole than I thought.

Give him an enema and we could bury him in a thimble. With room left for the other republitards..
 
2011-12-18 04:57:26 PM
Weaver95: I keep hearing the term 'american exceptionalism' from the GOP shills. its making my brain itch.

As a Canadian, I instinctively translate 'American Exceptionalism' into 'National self delusional mythology/ reality distortion field'.

It did work for a long time, so there's no arguing that. But it requires complete control of the narrative to execute. The people that believe it will still work (like Newt), forget completely that American hegemony simply doesn't have that kind of control anymore.

I suppose the neocons did everyone a favour when they gave Bin Laden exactly what he wanted. Now even the most modest sheepherder in becki-becki-stan-stan knows that he can financially kneecap the mightiest military power in the world with little more than a cell phone, a twitter account, and time.
 
2011-12-18 04:58:11 PM
what_now: This is a book tour, not a presidential campaign.i>

he's the current frontrunner.
 
2011-12-18 05:01:21 PM
Weaver95: what_now: This is a book tour, not a presidential campaign.i>

he's the current frontrunner.


Most of the candidates have been a "frontrunner" at one point or another ...
 
2011-12-18 05:01:37 PM
unyon: Weaver95: I keep hearing the term 'american exceptionalism' from the GOP shills. its making my brain itch.

As a Canadian, I instinctively translate 'American Exceptionalism' into 'National self delusional mythology/ reality distortion field'..


I keep flashing back to this:

upload.wikimedia.org

Gingrich is making my brain itch.
 
2011-12-18 05:03:12 PM
HawgWild: Weaver95: what_now: This is a book tour, not a presidential campaign.i>

he's the current frontrunner.

Most of the candidates have been a "frontrunner" at one point or another ...


right now, gingrich and perry are spewing the stuff that I find most scary: perry is very theocratic while gingrich is authoritarian. combine the two and we go some very not good places.
 
2011-12-18 05:03:50 PM
yeah, yeah, yeah. godwin motherf*cker.
 
2011-12-18 05:22:48 PM
Weaver95: yeah, yeah, yeah. godwin motherf*cker.

Well, seeing as at least SOME of the Jesus Camper set now running the GOP have publically called for non-dominionists to be denationalised and exiled as "illegal aliens"--and at least one of Rick Perry's NARasite buddies is known to have connections to the Army of God domestic terrorist network, has essentially called for non-dominionists to be killed, and is one of the primary foreign Bad Actors in regards to a Ugandan bill that would mandate genocide against its LGBT population...

Well, if it walks like a fascist duck, and quacks like a fascist duck...

(As an aside, I'd probably compare the Joel's Army/NAR set that have taken over the GOP less to Nazis and more to a rather more obscure, yet in its own sense scarier group--the Romanian fascists, aka the Iron Guard and Legion of the Archangel St. Michael. Not only were they explicitly religiofascist (one of a very few groups who did so--ironically, it was the religionationalist-fascists which seemed to survive the longest) but were so extreme that THE FRIGGIN' NAZIS told them to turn things down a notch.

(Yes, think about that--when Nazis perpetrating one of the most well-documented and infamous genocides in history are telling you to calm the fark down, that pretty much sets its OWN level of extremism right there. About the only modern comparison is China telling North Korea to STFU.)
 
2011-12-18 05:22:48 PM
Weaver95: HawgWild: Weaver95: what_now: This is a book tour, not a presidential campaign.i>

he's the current frontrunner.

Most of the candidates have been a "frontrunner" at one point or another ...

right now, gingrich and perry are spewing the stuff that I find most scary: perry is very theocratic while gingrich is authoritarian. combine the two and we go some very not good places.


That damn socialist got something else right - "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." That's the GOP.
 
2011-12-18 05:24:43 PM
Presidential power shouldn't be expanded so that your favorite politician can do all sorts of wonderful things, it should be limited so that whackjobs like Newt can't screw up the American experiment.

/Newt Gingrich reminds me of Greg Stillson in The Dead Zone.
 
2011-12-18 05:51:02 PM
Boy, am I looking forward to another year of posts from paid political operatives! WooooHOOO.
 
2011-12-18 05:57:12 PM
Looks like this election is going to be between a giant douche and turd sandwich again, unless Ron Paul gets the nomination and Obama grows a set of balls.
 
2011-12-18 05:57:15 PM
flucto: Boy, am I looking forward to another year of posts from paid political operatives! WooooHOOO.

they're gonna go nuts in 2012.
 
2011-12-18 06:02:55 PM
Weaver95: HawgWild: Weaver95: what_now: This is a book tour, not a presidential campaign.i>

he's the current frontrunner.

Most of the candidates have been a "frontrunner" at one point or another ...

right now, gingrich and perry are spewing the stuff that I find most scary: perry is very theocratic while gingrich is authoritarian. combine the two and we go some very not good places.


GINGRICH/PERRY 2012
 
2011-12-18 06:05:05 PM
The Alien Registration Act of 1940, usually called the Smith Act because the antisedition section was authored by Representative Howard W. Smith of Virginia, was adopted at 54 Statutes at Large 670-671 (1940). The Act has been amended several times and can now be found at 18 U.S. Code § 2385 (2000).

§ 2385. Advocating Overthrow of Government.

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof--

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize", with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
 
2011-12-18 06:07:25 PM
Aarontology: Weaver95: you once swore an oath to that effect.

Because if Newt is known for anything, it's taking oaths seriously.


He couldn't be trusted to keep a marriage vow, you expect him to hold to the Pledge of Allegiance?
 
2011-12-18 06:12:55 PM
But if we don't vote for this guy....SOCIALISM!!!!!1!!!1!!ELEVENTY
 
2011-12-18 06:13:58 PM
hubiestubert: Aarontology: Weaver95: you once swore an oath to that effect.

Because if Newt is known for anything, it's taking oaths seriously.

He couldn't be trusted to keep a marriage vow, you expect him to hold to the Pledge of Allegiance?


encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2011-12-18 06:21:23 PM
What the fark is wrong with this guy?
 
2011-12-18 06:25:47 PM
Here's your front-runner, Republicans. He plans to Keep America Strong... by arresting those who disagree with him.
 
2011-12-18 06:26:24 PM
static.guim.co.uk
"Why didn't I think of that...oh wait..."
 
2011-12-18 06:28:15 PM
Party Boy: What the fark is wrong with this guy?

He's executing a strategy that has been in vogue for the Republicans for a while now. Willfully mis-educating the base on the roles, responsibilities, powers, and limitations of the government in order to gain and/or retain power. Even if they lose any given election, the damage is done--setting the field for the next bout. If they win, even better. The stage is set and they get to further advance their authoritarian theocratic agenda.
 
2011-12-18 06:32:37 PM
*en
 
2011-12-18 06:38:35 PM
sweetmelissa31: "My wife is a bird. Your argument is invalid."

Wow I thought my husband was the only one who thought that.

He says he looks like she pissed off the evil queen who trapped her halfway between changing between her bird and human forms

ash
 
2011-12-18 06:42:21 PM
Farking separation of powers and checks and balances, how do they work?
 
2011-12-18 06:43:59 PM
Paris1127: Farking separation of powers and checks and balances, how do they work?

Public servants acting in good faith respect the law and act accordingly.
 
2011-12-18 06:44:45 PM
This is modern conservatism. Welcome to the Fourth Reich.
 
CDP [TotalFark]
2011-12-18 06:46:50 PM
I don't think the Founding Fathers ever intended for "judges" and "courts" to have the power that they have today. The "judges" should not have the final say in the decisions made by the people of the United States and their elected officials. Where is it written that the "judges" and their "courts" are the Mother of All Trump Cards? A lot of "judges" are out of control and it's time to rein them in

i25.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-18 06:49:07 PM
CDP: I don't think the Founding Fathers ever intended for "judges" and "courts" to have the power that they have today. The "judges" should not have the final say in the decisions made by the people of the United States and their elected officials. Where is it written that the "judges" and their "courts" are the Mother of All Trump Cards? A lot of "judges" are out of control and it's time to rein them in

[i25.photobucket.com image 400x390]


1/10
 
2011-12-18 06:53:53 PM
Weaver95: unyon: Weaver95: I keep hearing the term 'american exceptionalism' from the GOP shills. its making my brain itch.

As a Canadian, I instinctively translate 'American Exceptionalism' into 'National self delusional mythology/ reality distortion field'..

I keep flashing back to this:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x490]

Gingrich is making my brain itch.


I don't see him in the picture. Where is he?
 
2011-12-18 06:57:22 PM
While his statements tend to overlook Article III, the strategy is a sound one. He's running in a Republican Primary that nobody expected him to be the front runner of a while ago - Tea Party Conservatives are eating up this red meat while the media is giving him all kinds of free exposure. I wouldn't be surprised if he stepped back from this position should he win the nomination and start running a General Campaign. I don't doubt that he's got historical precedent to back him up some, not the least of which is Lincoln and Jackson, but in the end, I'm guessing this is more about making the most of a limited campaign war chest just before a major caucus.
 
2011-12-18 07:03:11 PM
CanisNoir: While his statements tend to overlook Article III

...as well as Federalist #78....
 
2011-12-18 07:04:14 PM
doyner: CDP: I don't think the Founding Fathers ever intended for "judges" and "courts" to have the power that they have today. The "judges" should not have the final say in the decisions made by the people of the United States and their elected officials. Where is it written that the "judges" and their "courts" are the Mother of All Trump Cards? A lot of "judges" are out of control and it's time to rein them in

[i25.photobucket.com image 400x390]

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i.imgur.com
 
2011-12-18 07:04:54 PM
Sorry, Newt, but when the majority of the people, and their elected representatives decide it's OK to be bigots towards other people, then the courts have to step in.

Somebody's gotta make sure the laws are fair. The judicial branch is a check on the executive and the legislative. And the others are a check on the judicial branch.

The judicial branch isn't out of line if they're trying to protect the civil rights of people. During segregation, the majority of people wanted segregation. The elected officials wanted segregation, someone had to step in, be the "bad guy", and do the right thing. That was the judges. Thank God they did it, too.

The same is going to probably apply to gay marriages. Unless a President steps in and makes it Federal law, the judges are going to have to step in to make sure that gays have the same opportunity to marry their loved ones as straight people do.

Newt evidently wants to remove that check on his power, should he get elected.
 
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