I met my first girlfriend at Mons Venus so thank you, Joe Redner. Well, she turned out to be a violent psycho biatch. But all things considered, yeah, thank you, Joe Redner.

Occupy Strip Club: Come in and pitch a tent.

Good on Redner for letting protesters use his park - "cool" and "hero" tags occupying subby's front lawn.

Joe Redner: "I think I should pay more taxes"

What's stopping you?

Why don't you ever heard of them occupying Starbucks?

Trance750: Why don't you ever heard of them occupying Starbucks?

You don't shiat where you eat?

Just a guess.

TravisBickle62: Them are some nasty strippers, Redner wouldn't let them work at the Mons

No, not at the Mons. Tanga maybe.

powhound: I know you're a troll...but seriously can we stop with that line?

No. He hasn't gotten new talking points to tell him to stop using it.

powhound: SkinnyHead: Joe Redner: "I think I should pay more taxes"

What's stopping you?

I know you're a troll...but seriously can we stop with that line? If taxes were an all-voluntary thing we would be living in the stone ages. Maybe you still are.

Taxes are not a voluntary thing but people can give more money to the government anytime they want. He could lead by example and just cut a check to the Treasury. That way he is paying more to the government even if his taxes aren't as high as he would like.

But I would bet that almost none of the strippers that work there pay any income taxes whatsoever.

SharkTrager: powhound: SkinnyHead: Joe Redner: "I think I should pay more taxes"

What's stopping you?

I know you're a troll...but seriously can we stop with that line? If taxes were an all-voluntary thing we would be living in the stone ages. Maybe you still are.

They are not all voluntary. However, if he wants to pay more there really is nothing stopping him. I'll start taking rich people who say this seriously when they actually do it.

Sure, he could pay more taxes, but why would he? That won't solve the problem at all.

Grables'Daughter: But I would bet that almost none of the strippers that work there pay any income taxes whatsoever.

If you were paid in cash, would you?

/No you wouldn't so don't even try

Trance750: Grables'Daughter: But I would bet that almost none of the strippers that work there pay any income taxes whatsoever.

If you were paid in cash, would you?

/No you wouldn't so don't even try

Um, I AM paid in cash, so I don't.

I didn't say that I wouldn't "so don't even try".

Tellingthem: powhound: SkinnyHead: Joe Redner: "I think I should pay more taxes"

What's stopping you?

I know you're a troll...but seriously can we stop with that line? If taxes were an all-voluntary thing we would be living in the stone ages. Maybe you still are.

Taxes are not a voluntary thing but people can give more money to the government anytime they want. He could lead by example and just cut a check to the Treasury. That way he is paying more to the government even if his taxes aren't as high as he would like.

On the other hand, he is donating to the public good (as he sees it) by allowing the protesters to use his park, so there's that.

DarwiOdrade: Tellingthem: powhound: SkinnyHead: Joe Redner: "I think I should pay more taxes"

What's stopping you?

I know you're a troll...but seriously can we stop with that line? If taxes were an all-voluntary thing we would be living in the stone ages. Maybe you still are.

Taxes are not a voluntary thing but people can give more money to the government anytime they want. He could lead by example and just cut a check to the Treasury. That way he is paying more to the government even if his taxes aren't as high as he would like.

On the other hand, he is donating to the public good (as he sees it) by allowing the protesters to use his park, so there's that.

Yeah he seems like a decent guy. But I just see this as more of a publicity stunt than an actual measure. Like i said before if he feels like he does not pay enough no one is stopping him from paying more. That way he does not have to wait until the actual tax rates are changed to pay any extra.

Grables'Daughter: That won't solve the problem at all.

They don't care if that solves the problem. The talking point is designed to instead of blaming the system, blame individual people for not doing what they want everyone to do. It's a bullshiat talking point that doesn't solve anything, but the idea is to blame the person who actually says we should fix things.

SharkTrager: Grables'Daughter: SharkTrager: powhound: SkinnyHead: Joe Redner: "I think I should pay more taxes"

What's stopping you?

I know you're a troll...but seriously can we stop with that line? If taxes were an all-voluntary thing we would be living in the stone ages. Maybe you still are.

They are not all voluntary. However, if he wants to pay more there really is nothing stopping him. I'll start taking rich people who say this seriously when they actually do it.

Sure, he could pay more taxes, but why would he? That won't solve the problem at all.

Other than proving he's not full of shiat?

See the comment directly above yours.

I'm pretty sure that's what he means.

GAT_00: Grables'Daughter: That won't solve the problem at all.

They don't care if that solves the problem. The talking point is designed to instead of blaming the system, blame individual people for not doing what they want everyone to do. It's a bullshiat talking point that doesn't solve anything, but the idea is to blame the person who actually says we should fix things.

Good point.

Very good point, sir.

Pro Zack: SharkTrager: They are not all voluntary. However, if he wants to pay more there really is nothing stopping him. I'll start taking rich people who say this seriously when they actually do it.

Actions do speak louder than words...

I SAID: ACTIONS DO SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

We can hear you just fine.

We're not in a strip club, you know.

Pro Zack: Actions do speak louder than words...

And we see here again, blame the guy for actually suggesting there is a problem, instead of actually addressing the problem.

GAT_00: Pro Zack: Actions do speak louder than words...

And we see here again, blame the guy for actually suggesting there is a problem, instead of actually addressing the problem.

I had noticed that as well.

GAT_00: Grables'Daughter: That won't solve the problem at all.

They don't care if that solves the problem. The talking point is designed to instead of blaming the system, blame individual people for not doing what they want everyone to do. It's a bullshiat talking point that doesn't solve anything, but the idea is to blame the person who actually says we should fix things.

I'm not blaming the tax code or the system. (maybe some do, but i'm not part of that group) The system is fine and maybe tax rates should be higher. However I'm just sick of hearing people talk and talk about how the tax rates should be higher but will not pay more unless they are forced too. He can work with politicians and citizens groups to get the tax rates changed. He can support petitions and laws to increase revenue. He can do all of this and still pay more than he is supposed to under current tax law. Lead by example! Cut a nice big fat check and dare the other rich people to do the same until their taxes are raised. Make it a program like the Gates pledge. Say "I pledge to give an extra $10,000 a year to the government until my taxes are raised by at least that much." That will impress me more than just talking about it

Tellingthem: I'm not blaming the tax code or the system. (maybe some do, but i'm not part of that group) The system is fine and maybe tax rates should be higher. However I'm just sick of hearing people talk and talk about how the tax rates should be higher but will not pay more unless they are forced too.

But, if he says more in taxes voluntarily, but nobody else does, how does that solve anything?

What he is saying is that EVERYONE that makes as much as he does should have to pay more. He is also saying that he could pay more in taxes and still live well.

Pro Zack: GAT_00: Pro Zack: Actions do speak louder than words...

And we see here again, blame the guy for actually suggesting there is a problem, instead of actually addressing the problem.

The only reason we are talking about this guy right now is that he took action.... now if he'd pay more than he should on taxes, he would seem pretty sincere in his belief that some should pay more in taxes.

But, again, as we have mentioned many times before in this thread, it would not solve a thing. The answer to this problem is not to have this guy pay more in taxes. That wouldn't...

/oh, never mind

Pro Zack: SkinnyHead: Joe Redner: "I think I should pay more taxes"

What's stopping you?

When someone says "I think I should pay more taxes" there is an understood "And so should everyone richer than me - whether they want to or not" attached to it.

Or 'Everybody else but me should pay taxes'

CruJones
That's kind of cool and all but I don't think Occupy Tampa is doing anything other then being a fun place for a few to hang out for a while. I mean I've never even heard of them before today. And seriously, dude traveled to like six different Occupy places? Sounds more like a Widespread show than a protest.

The dude is just another hipster wandering the country looking for some place to put his degree in Philosophy with a minor in Womyn's Studies to work. Occupy Tampa is two factions - the bums and homeless who are too lazy to even panhandle, and a small group that are looking to cause trouble. The cops are arresting the troublemakers and ignoring the bums/disenchanted.

I love Joe Redner though. His plea to pay more taxes is just free advertising, but every local election he runs and has some great ideas. If he was in my are I'd vote for him. He's actually pretty conservative in his thinking - get the government out of our lives and just look after the basics like infrastructure and education.

Grables'Daughter: Tellingthem: I'm not blaming the tax code or the system. (maybe some do, but i'm not part of that group) The system is fine and maybe tax rates should be higher. However I'm just sick of hearing people talk and talk about how the tax rates should be higher but will not pay more unless they are forced too.

But, if he says more in taxes voluntarily, but nobody else does, how does that solve anything?

What he is saying is that EVERYONE that makes as much as he does should have to pay more. He is also saying that he could pay more in taxes and still live well.

I get that and maybe people should pay more in taxes. But why not pay them now instead of waiting for the tax code to go higher? If it is a good idea then just do it and work to get others to as well. It does not have to be one or the other it can be both.

I drive the most fuel efficient car I can afford. I switched all the light bulbs in our house to CFL. I recycle products. I was not forced to do this. I want to do my part for the help the environment. Maybe it is a small thing and maybe I can do more. But I'm doing something about it. And I didn't wait for the laws to change. I didn't wait for congress to enforce efficiency standards in cars or lightbulbs. I did this on my own and then supported the politicians and laws to make those changes. So can he. He can support higher taxes and pay more right now.

Tellingthem: DarwiOdrade: Tellingthem: powhound: SkinnyHead: Joe Redner: "I think I should pay more taxes"

What's stopping you?

I know you're a troll...but seriously can we stop with that line? If taxes were an all-voluntary thing we would be living in the stone ages. Maybe you still are.

Taxes are not a voluntary thing but people can give more money to the government anytime they want. He could lead by example and just cut a check to the Treasury. That way he is paying more to the government even if his taxes aren't as high as he would like.

On the other hand, he is donating to the public good (as he sees it) by allowing the protesters to use his park, so there's that.

Yeah he seems like a decent guy. But I just see this as more of a publicity stunt than an actual measure. Like i said before if he feels like he does not pay enough no one is stopping him from paying more. That way he does not have to wait until the actual tax rates are changed to pay any extra.

Do you have any evidence that this guy did it for the news coverage, or are you just cynical?

And let's just drop that "he could pay more" BS unless you can find even one example of someone intentionally paying extra to the government, OK?