Franken couldn't grill a cheese sandwich.

/That tard should have been biatched slapped over his idiotic (and wrong) grandstanding on that gay marriage debate.

//It's too bad the guy he was grandstanding against was even a bigger tard.

The people up in arms over this stuff apparently have no farking clue how these fancy gizmo's use their magic rays to done workify.

5. What other data does your company receive that was collected by CIQ software? (Senator Franken specifies telephone numbers, contents of SMS and emails, URLs of websites users visit, contents of search queries, keystroke data and contact information from address books.)

Uhh, the carriers get all of this data anyways with or without "CarrierIQ" because they just happen to be the one to send and receive to you over those fancy towers via their invisible radio waves.

Dumbass? I'd think denizens of the internet would be appreciative that at least one Senator has their back.

cruci fiction: Uhh, the carriers get all of this data anyways with or without "CarrierIQ" because they just happen to be the one to send and receive to you over those fancy towers via their invisible radio waves.

THAT. The carrier "carries" all the data across their network. They already know the contents of your texts, the location of your phone, and can listen in on your calls all the livelong day, should they decide to do so. In fact, they're farking REQUIRED to be able to do so by CALEA, and to hand off all that data on demand to "the man". Hell, they'll give it to them without a court order of any sort half the time. In fact, if you knew who and how to ask, once upon a time back about 3 years ago, even lowly gub-contractors such as myself could get a disturbing amount of data (like who you dialed and for how long) for the asking.

swahnhennessy: Dumbass? I'd think denizens of the internet would be appreciative that at least one Senator has their back.

The one that voted for NDAA and is on board for SOPA? The same traitor?

cruci fiction: The people up in arms over this stuff apparently have no farking clue how these fancy gizmo's use their magic rays to done workify.

5. What other data does your company receive that was collected by CIQ software? (Senator Franken specifies telephone numbers, contents of SMS and emails, URLs of websites users visit, contents of search queries, keystroke data and contact information from address books.)

Uhh, the carriers get all of this data anyways with or without "CarrierIQ" because they just happen to be the one to send and receive to you over those fancy towers via their invisible radio waves.

If you actually watched the video, you'd see CarrierIQ logging keypresses and being able to retrieve *encrypted* URLs. This means your passwords and any other secure data you put in. This is more data than can be sniffed by a normal man-in-the-middle, and something the carriers would not have normal access to.

So, who's the corporate shill who submitted this?

Personally, I'm okay with an elected official acting within his jurisdiction to investigate what seemed to be a major violation of consumers rights, and forcing them to put their public statements under oath.

Now, I realize that this may make me a socialist in some quarters, but there it is, and so be it.

EZ1923: Personally, I'm okay with an elected official acting within his jurisdiction to investigate what seemed to be a major violation of consumers rights, and forcing them to put their public statements under oath.

I don't see a problem with it either.

ArtosRC: The one that voted for NDAA and is on board for SOPA? The same traitor?

That's really weird that he'd support SOPA. Hopefully he changes his stance. As for NDAA he voted against its most current form.

cruci fiction: The people up in arms over this stuff apparently have no farking clue how these fancy gizmo's use their magic rays to done workify.

5. What other data does your company receive that was collected by CIQ software? (Senator Franken specifies telephone numbers, contents of SMS and emails, URLs of websites users visit, contents of search queries, keystroke data and contact information from address books.)

Uhh, the carriers get all of this data anyways with or without "CarrierIQ" because they just happen to be the one to send and receive to you over those fancy towers via their invisible radio waves.

I bet they know how to use an apostrophe.

/get off my lawn

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Franken couldn't grill a cheese sandwich.

/That tard should have been biatched slapped over his idiotic (and wrong) grandstanding on that gay marriage debate.

//It's too bad the guy he was grandstanding against was even a bigger tard.

Also there's a photoshopped picture of him on the internet showing him wearing diapers. It's unbecoming and he's not fit for office and furthermore

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Franken couldn't grill a cheese sandwich.

/That tard should have been biatched slapped over his idiotic (and wrong) grandstanding on that gay marriage debate.

//It's too bad the guy he was grandstanding against was even a bigger tard.

Yea! How dare he stand up to horrific and arguably illegal privacy invasions?!?!? I pay my politicians to waste time classifying pizza as a vegetable not to protect my rights damn it!!!!

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Franken couldn't grill a cheese sandwich.

/That tard should have been biatched slapped over his idiotic (and wrong) grandstanding on that gay marriage debate.

//It's too bad the guy he was grandstanding against was even a bigger tard.

His grandstanding on the gay marriage debate was neither idiotic nor wrong. I've read that study that Franken and the other guy were talking about as well, and Franken is 100% correct. The study does not mention same-sex couples either for or against. The study had nothing to do with same sex couples. But, strictly speaking, the definition of "nuclear family" quoted by the right winger would include same sex couples, just like Franken says.

Note that Franken never claimed that any same sex couples were actually in the study, he just points out that the study does not make that distinction. This is 100% true, so I don't see how you can claim that he was wrong about this. You'd have better luck convincing me that my grass is red.

Just because he was a comedy writer/actor doesn't make the guy an intellectual lightweight.

Remember, he graduated from Harvard cum laude with a degree in Poli Sci. He's a pretty bright guy.

/Of course, that doesn't preclude him from being wrong sometimes.

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: /That tard should have been biatched slapped over his idiotic (and wrong) grandstanding on that gay marriage debate.

How was that idiotic and wrong?

3749211#c73749211">EZ1923: So, who's the corporate shill who submitted this?

Personally, I'm okay with an elected official acting within his jurisdiction to investigate what seemed to be a major violation of consumers rights, and forcing them to put their public statements under oath.

Now, I realize that this may make me a socialist in some quarters, but there it is, and so be it.

What subby might look like:

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Franken couldn't grill a cheese sandwich.

/That tard should have been biatched slapped over his idiotic (and wrong) grandstanding on that gay marriage debate.

//It's too bad the guy he was grandstanding against was even a bigger tard.

You used to be kind of amusing, but lately you've been trying too hard and now you're just annoying.

Nabb1: A poli sci degree - the "participation certificate" of college degrees.

Perhaps, but I don't think Harvard gives out 'participation certificates'...

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Franken couldn't grill a cheese sandwich.

/That tard should have been biatched slapped over his idiotic (and wrong) grandstanding on that gay marriage debate.

//It's too bad the guy he was grandstanding against was even a bigger tard.

Al was a shiatty comedian, but is actually a decent senator. He actually takes the time to read up on the issues he's going to be asking people about. The best example I've seen is where some a-holes tried to alter someone elses research on how two-parent households raised better kids to mean that kids need mommies and daddies. Franken was able to call them on it because he had gotten in touch with the original researcher and asked him if he had differentiated between hetero and homo couples in his research - he hadn't.

Against a sea of other congressmen that tell you to pry their ignorance from their cold dead hands, the guy who does his homework seems pretty decent.

Jesus cripes! Those questions were all lies...and stuff. Who has the diaper picture? C'mon post it now.

Nabb1: shivashakti: Nabb1: A poli sci degree - the "participation certificate" of college degrees.

Perhaps, but I don't think Harvard gives out 'participation certificates'...

Sure they do - they have political science degrees. Participation at Harvard is still more impressive than participation at some dung hole community college, mind you, but the motto of political science majors ever where is, "Poli sci - Why try?"

Political science majors have an understanding of how our government works and the value of a functional governmental structure. That's more than I can say for the vast majority of Tea Partiers and Fark Independents™.

It's funny that AT&T says the consumer knows their info is being collected, since it's in the EULA.

/And by funny, I mean disengenuous.

Nabb1:
That may be true, but that's not going to stop me from making self-depricating jokes about my chosen academic discipline.

At least we weren't philosophy majors.

I'm was a poli. sci./philosophy double major. I wish I was kidding. You have cut me to my very core, sir, and I shall retreat from this thread in shame.

/At least it wasn't communications

I dunno. I'm a biblical Christian, tend to lean right-ish, and think Mr. Franken does his job well, that is, representing the majority of his constituents.

How would a carrier know where to send the information your requested if it doesn't have the request after you sent it?

shivashakti: Just because he was a comedy writer/actor doesn't make the guy an intellectual lightweight.

Remember, he graduated from Harvard cum laude with a degree in Poli Sci. He's a pretty bright guy.

/Of course, that doesn't preclude him from being wrong sometimes.

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: /That tard should have been biatched slapped over his idiotic (and wrong) grandstanding on that gay marriage debate.

How was that idiotic and wrong?

Getting a poli sci degree doesn't prove one is smart, no matter which university.

shivashakti: Nabb1: A poli sci degree - the "participation certificate" of college degrees.

Perhaps, but I don't think Harvard gives out 'participation certificates'...

Nope. They call them Bachelors Degrees.

Who the hell does Al Franken think he is sticking up for consumers like that?

Nabb1: shivashakti: Just because he was a comedy writer/actor doesn't make the guy an intellectual lightweight.

Remember, he graduated from Harvard cum laude with a degree in Poli Sci. He's a pretty bright guy.

/Of course, that doesn't preclude him from being wrong sometimes.

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: /That tard should have been biatched slapped over his idiotic (and wrong) grandstanding on that gay marriage debate.

How was that idiotic and wrong?

A poli sci degree - the "participation certificate" of college degrees.

/Poli sci major.
//Needed a law degree to find work..
///Law degree is the "participation certificate" of doctorate degrees.

Where did you graduate? My Congressman and President are both Poli Sci majors.

/poli sci major
//no trouble finding consulting jobs since I graduated from a great school and worked my ass off

cruci fiction: The people up in arms over this stuff apparently have no farking clue how these fancy gizmo's use their magic rays to done workify.

5. What other data does your company receive that was collected by CIQ software? (Senator Franken specifies telephone numbers, contents of SMS and emails, URLs of websites users visit, contents of search queries, keystroke data and contact information from address books.)

Uhh, the carriers get all of this data anyways with or without "CarrierIQ" because they just happen to be the one to send and receive to you over those fancy towers via their invisible radio waves.



They'll still know which IP you're accessing, but that's it.

andrewagill: If they didn't circumvent HTTPS this way, they'd they'll still know which IP you're accessing, but that's it.

FTFM.

people sure get mad when franken is smarter and does more stuff than them

MurphyMurphy: people sure get mad when franken is smarter and does more stuff than them

So are you saying that he's good enough and smart enough that doggone it, people don't like him?

erewhon: Hell, they'll give it to them without a court order of any sort half the time.

I dunno if "half the time" is at all accurate. The ACLU has shown that the carriers have web sites that law enforcement (but I doubt it is limited to law enforcement) can access to get the data whenever they want.

swahnhennessy: As for NDAA he voted against its most current form.

I stand corrected. I was of the impression that it was 93-7 with his approval. I suppose it's better with the 86-13-1.

Ed Finnerty: How DARE my elected official stand up for my rights and question things on my behalf!

/Voted for him
//Will again
///He's a smart man, like it or not

He is a dumb a$$. He has no clue what he is doing.

Ed Finnerty: How DARE my elected official stand up for my rights and question things on my behalf!

/Voted for him
//Will again
///He's a smart man, like it or not

He is a dumbass and has NO clue what he is doing.

jx100: If you actually watched the video, you'd see CarrierIQ logging keypresses and being able to retrieve *encrypted* URLs. This means your passwords and any other secure data you put in. This is more data than can be sniffed by a normal man-in-the-middle, and something the carriers would not have normal access to.

For the thousandth time:

1. Logging Keypresses =/= transmitting logs of keypresses. The program needs to know what your phone is doing in order to be effective.

2. Stop commenting on technical issues when your knowhow of the issue is the sum of a badly hashed youtube video that misrepresents the facts.

Usually, I'm all for Franken. The guy is spot-on in my eyes most of the time. His continued battering of this issue when the facts have not changed one iota is not only useless and idiotic, but can and will cost people jobs.

Chagrin: erewhon: Hell, they'll give it to them without a court order of any sort half the time.

I dunno if "half the time" is at all accurate. The ACLU has shown that the carriers have web sites that law enforcement (but I doubt it is limited to law enforcement) can access to get the data whenever they want.

Those websites also log who accesses them and when and to get what. It's not like any cop can go on there and read his/her spouse's texts or call contents (something not usually available). The police log their use of the site. The organizations log police use of the sites. Uncalled use can be taken care of if a violation of privacy does in fact happen.