Great series! I'm glad to see it back.

Not like that shiatty movie that just had a sequel come out. Ugh, what garbage.

No sh*t?

So he's gay?

TsarTom: Guy Ritchie was the single worst choice to direct a Holmes movie outside of Michael Bay, I just don't get why he got picked for it.
That being said, the title of best Holmes ever will firever be a tie:
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I don't know. The BBC Holmes was good but the Ritchie/Downey one was also pretty great. I'm kind of sad the critics are ripping into the sequel.

I would give the edge to BBC if they hadn't done that hilariously bad Chinese-triad episode. I'm not too taken with Cumberbatch, but it's always nice to see Martin Freeman get roles.

Seth'n'Spectrum: TsarTom: Guy Ritchie was the single worst choice to direct a Holmes movie outside of Michael Bay, I just don't get why he got picked for it.
That being said, the title of best Holmes ever will firever be a tie:
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I don't know. The BBC Holmes was good but the Ritchie/Downey one was also pretty great. I'm kind of sad the critics are ripping into the sequel.

I would give the edge to BBC if they hadn't done that hilariously bad Chinese-triad episode. I'm not too taken with Cumberbatch, but it's always nice to see Martin Freeman get roles.

All of what you said was wrong apart from the bit about Martin Freeman. The only redeeming feature of the Ritchie version was Mark Strong, and they killed him off.

Uncouth American Sherlock? Sherlock Holmes is an addict, as per his British author.

\I love Sherlock Holmes. I wish there was new material to read. Some lady, whose name I sadly can't remember, revived Holmes from the dead and wrote a series of books from the point of view of his wife. The ones I read were pretty good, but goddamn the author had to give every friggin' detail about the damn story setting, to the point where it seemed like she was just dumping her research verbatim to let you know she knows what she is talking about. I finished two of her books, and they WERE good... but it got too laborious to wade through the descriptive portion to find the nuggets of plot. I'd still recommend them, but for the life of me I can't remember who wrote them. Still looking for more good Holmes in the style of the original author.

r1niceboy: All of what you said was wrong apart from the bit about Martin Freeman. The only redeeming feature of the Ritchie version was Mark Strong, and they killed him off.

Morgan Freeman as Sherlock Holmes? The exposition would be exquisite. Too bad I am not literate enough to rewrite a quote in the voice of Morgan Freeman, but that would still be awesome.

somemoron: Uncouth American Sherlock? Sherlock Holmes is an addict, as per his British author.

\I love Sherlock Holmes. I wish there was new material to read. Some lady, whose name I sadly can't remember, revived Holmes from the dead and wrote a series of books from the point of view of his wife. The ones I read were pretty good, but goddamn the author had to give every friggin' detail about the damn story setting, to the point where it seemed like she was just dumping her research verbatim to let you know she knows what she is talking about. I finished two of her books, and they WERE good... but it got too laborious to wade through the descriptive portion to find the nuggets of plot. I'd still recommend them, but for the life of me I can't remember who wrote them. Still looking for more good Holmes in the style of the original author.

Laurie R. King

Best Holmes since Jeremy Brett.
That being said, Brett has become the character for me, I see and hear him him when I read the stories.

/I also hear Johnny Depp when I read Fear and Loathing and I've started using Mitch Hedberg for the Jesus bits in the New Testament

Sass-O-Rev: Laurie R. King

That's the one! It has been a while since I have read them. Have you read any of her work? Like I said, I did like the two I read, they just got a little tedious. Are her other works good?

Thanks for the refresher!

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I say, Watson, would you like a Jelly Baby?

.... My head hurts now.

r1niceboy: All of what you said was wrong apart from the bit about Martin Freeman.

You honestly didn't think that Chinese triad schtick was god awful? It was almost completely composed of bad stereotypes strung together.

somemoron: Sass-O-Rev: Laurie R. King

That's the one! It has been a while since I have read them. Have you read any of her work? Like I said, I did like the two I read, they just got a little tedious. Are her other works good?

Thanks for the refresher!

my pleasure!

I love her books- I have read all the Mary Russell/Sherlock Holmes series- some of them two or three times. O Jerusalem is probably my favourite. She also has a series of contemporary stories set in San Francisco, with a police detective named Kate Martinelli, and she has about half a dozen 'stand alone' books, as well.

All of you are picking the wrong Holmes.

JasonOfOrillia: All of you are picking the wrong Holmes.

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You can say that again.

Seth'n'Spectrum: r1niceboy: All of what you said was wrong apart from the bit about Martin Freeman.

You honestly didn't think that Chinese triad schtick was god awful? It was almost completely composed of bad stereotypes strung together.

Could've been worse. But The original Doyle stories were full of cliches too, so I wasn't surprised to see some more rolled out.

Sass-O-Rev: O Jerusalem

The two I read were "Justice Hall" and "Locked Rooms". Justice Hall was the one I remember having a lot of descriptive exposition in - too much, in my opinion. I think it got in the way of the story. Locked Rooms was a great read, however. I may have to go back through that one again before picking up another. Perhaps this time I will try to read them in order instead of just nabbing a random Sherlock Holmes story (which is what I did to find these books).

r1niceboy: Could've been worse. But The original Doyle stories were full of cliches too, so I wasn't surprised to see some more rolled out.

I don't know, I just had higher expectations from listening to people on Fark and elsewhere talking about it. It was supposed to be some kind of brilliant modern re-imagining and instead it was just good.

Still good, but just good.

Saw A Game of Shadows last night and enjoyed the hell out of it. I realize my opinion will do nothing to sway the haters, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

And yes, I have read the books.

somemoron: Sass-O-Rev: O Jerusalem

The two I read were "Justice Hall" and "Locked Rooms". Justice Hall was the one I remember having a lot of descriptive exposition in - too much, in my opinion. I think it got in the way of the story. Locked Rooms was a great read, however. I may have to go back through that one again before picking up another. Perhaps this time I will try to read them in order instead of just nabbing a random Sherlock Holmes story (which is what I did to find these books).

Justice Hall was a follow-up of O Jerusalem; Locked Rooms is another of my favourites. You might be interested in starting at the beginning with "The Beekeeper's Apprentice" and work your way forward, for a bit more continuity.

I like the first movie. However, this is an action/adventure series. It does not carry on the spirit of the books. Only the location and character names are the same.

TheShavingofOccam123:

Here's one that will keep you awake nights, shivering in fear...Will Ferrell almost played Ignatius J. Reilly.

/john candy might have been perfect

He's been considered for adaptations, along with John Goodman. I see Oliver Platt doing that role brilliantly.

Love this series. I wasn't sure about this Moriarty until his face twisted and he said "I'll burn you. I'll burn...your...soul!" A study in Pink was brilliant.

kenryoku_one: Best Holmes since Jeremy Brett.
That being said, Brett has become the character for me, I see and hear him him when I read the stories.

The interesting thing is that Brett was manic-depressive, and if you watch his performance as Holmes, it comes through in the role, while Cumberbatch is playing him as a sociopath.

Seth'n'Spectrum: I don't know, I just had higher expectations from listening to people on Fark and elsewhere talking about it. It was supposed to be some kind of brilliant modern re-imagining and instead it was just good.

Still good, but just good.

My view is that the other two episodes more than make up for the Triad episode. The fact that they managed to make something watchable out of "A Study in Scarlet" (which is the worst of the Holmes stories and full of stereotypes) is nothing short of a miracle.

Aryan Holmes:

Uncouth? Cumberbatch's Holmes steps on a dying man's bullet wound to extract information.

That's positively Craig-level Bond right there.

kingoomieiii: With three more cases for BBC1's Sherlock to crack, we speak to the series' co-creators Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss, and stars Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman

This name could only be more British if they threw crazy honorifics and titles into it. Sir Benedict Cumberbatch II, Lord-Regent of Middle Cumberton.

To be truly British, the name would need a few more vowels and consonants, and it would be pronounced "Cooch."

TsarTom: Guy Ritchie was the single worst choice to direct a Holmes movie outside of Michael Bay, I just don't get why he got picked for it.
That being said, the title of best Holmes ever will firever be a tie:
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Not a tie. Brett was hands down the best. A NAZI fighring Holmes, I think not.

Subby is a pillock.

Holmes was always the smartest man in the room bearing a completely un-guiled contempt for the stupidity of those around him. The only place he felt he could be evenly matched was in a contest of fisticuffs (yes - I used the word). Naturally Holmes studied pugilism. Ritchie got that part right.

Although RDJ just doesn't fit the clothes of Holmes who is described as tall and muscular with a hawkish nose.

'Sup holmes?

The Hound of the Baskervilles was a bit scary for a Holmes story, so I'm excited to see how Moffat is going to make it absolutely terrifying.

Damn fine show, but it does contain a bit of fist-fightery, Subby.

As did the original stories, sometimes.

Just saw Game of shadows today and it was damn fun. Really enjoyed how they played up the battle of wits between Holmes and Moriarty.

Gunther: As did the original stories, sometimes.
And the strange thing is that Holmes' weird martial art actually existed.