phlegmmo: Its four Beehive State billboards aim to let "nonbelievers" know they're not alone this time of year.

Why is 'nonbelievers' in quotes?

Have you not been in very many fark religious flame-wars? There is a segment of religious folk who sincerely do not understand how any person could actually lack belief in a deity because it is so second-nature to them. They believe you don't really lack belief, but instead are just angry at god (why else put up billboards about atheism during christmas, they would reason). Hence "nonbeliever" in quotes. Not sure if that was the intent of the use in this article, but it is something I've seen many times before.

Talon: phlegmmo: Its four Beehive State billboards aim to let "nonbelievers" know they're not alone this time of year.

Why is 'nonbelievers' in quotes?

Have you not been in very many fark religious flame-wars? There is a segment of religious folk who sincerely do not understand how any person could actually lack belief in a deity because it is so second-nature to them. They believe you don't really lack belief, but instead are just angry at god (why else put up billboards about atheism during christmas, they would reason). Hence "nonbeliever" in quotes. Not sure if that was the intent of the use in this article, but it is something I've seen many times before.

That segment of religious folk you speak of tries to establish a universal norm for human behavior and there simply are none. Many of the same ideas are arrived at for different reasons. Some do reject the idea of God out of spite with the argument that if there was a god how could he allow such atrocities.

Then there is what I believe to be the majority that simply look at facts and rationally derive that religion is man made. Though it's certainly possible to still be angry at religion due to the fundamental idea it's a lie and actively deceives people, often times with an agenda.

Waste of money.

Don't they realize that Mormons are blind?

All of this bickering is just stupid. Both sides just like the tantalize the other to get their blood boiling.

A bicycle is not a horse.

Can we get a billboard that pisses off both groups? Maybe something like, "Orson Scott Card is a horrible writer!"

dugitman: Let me clear up some confusion for the locals.

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Grables'Daughter: phlegmmo: Its four Beehive State billboards aim to let "nonbelievers" know they're not alone this time of year.

Why is 'nonbelievers' in quotes?

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It's a pet peeve of mine, too.

I'm so sick of arguing this. For the last time we stole Christmas from the pagans not you atheists!

Fart_Machine: Grables'Daughter: phlegmmo: Its four Beehive State billboards aim to let "nonbelievers" know they're not alone this time of year.

Why is 'nonbelievers' in quotes?

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It's a pet peeve of mine, too.

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Is that some sort of ironic doom? Is the wink implied??

There's nothing going on. That's what I saw when I looked out over the city: nothing. How the Mormon settlers looked upon this valley and felt that it was the promised land is beyond me. I don't know, maybe it looked different back then.

Atheists, this is why people don't like you.

I don't understand the atheist and agnostic groups that pompously act like they can educate people out of religion. I happen to think that religious faith is non-rational (that isn't to say that it's irrational or that there aren't reasons for it) but rather faith requires a commitment that reason cannot make because it's more of a spiritual or emotional mechanism. To me, it would be like trying to reason someone out of love. It is possible, but some of these atheist groups attack the person (sometimes insult) this seems to only strengthen the bond between faith and faithful.

I think religion does a lot of terrible things in this world, but it does good things, too. And many people have dedicated themselves to lives of sacrifice, self-effacement, and charity in the name of religion. Many people have quit drugs and their lives of violence in the name of religion. In the words of Stephen Fry it would be "impertinent and stupid of me" to castigate them.

I'm tired of the pointlessness of the more vocal and judgemental atheist/agnostic groups. It is arrogant and misguided.

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skinink: There's nothing going on. That's what I saw when I looked out over the city: nothing. How the Mormon settlers looked upon this valley and felt that it was the promised land is beyond me. I don't know, maybe it looked different back then.

It didn't have any people to say no to polygamy. That's what made it promised.

blondski: All of this bickering is just stupid. Both sides just like the tantalize the other to get their blood boiling.

The Dysfunctional Family Dinner Argument
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm a Division Manager in charge of 49 people! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Couldn't take this town much longer
Being half dead wasn't what I planned to be
Now I'm ready to be free

So here I am it's in my hands
And I'll savor every moment of this
So here I am alive at last
And I'll savor every moment of this

phlegmmo: Fart_Machine:

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Welcome to you are "DOOM!"

WTF

Farking interns.

Pollexabator: Can we get a billboard that pisses off both groups? Maybe something like, "Orson Scott Card is a horrible writer!"

Shut your whore mouth.

phlegmmo: Its four Beehive State billboards aim to let "nonbelievers" know they're not alone this time of year.

Why is 'nonbelievers' in quotes?

Because it's Utah.

NobleHam: Atheists, this is why people don't like you.

So, when I see the over 9000 "Jesus is the reason for the season" billboards, is that a good reason to hate Christians?

FloydA: It's interesting that he defines "religion" as "trying to convince others of their viewpoint."

Well, religions are man made institutions designed to generate profit and power. This profit and power is directly proportional to the number of members. So I think "trying to convince others of their viewpoint" is an accurate description of what religions do.

Not sure how it applies to atheists as most of us never join any atheist group nor do we ever give any money to them.

towatchoverme: Pollexabator: Can we get a billboard that pisses off both groups? Maybe something like, "Orson Scott Card is a horrible writer!"

Shut your whore mouth.


I lolled.

phlegmmo: Fart_Machine:

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WTF

He's never seen Frisky Dingo!
Kill the outsider!

HeartBurnKid:
NobleHam: Atheists, this is why people don't like you.

So, when I see the over 9000 "Jesus is the reason for the season" billboards, is that a good reason to hate Christians?

I didn't say it's a good reason, but it's a reason. Anyone proselytizing is pretty annoying.

Again, the only winner in this battle are the billboard owners who are renting the space out. This season must be their most profitable. If I were them, I would charge both groups twice the rate because of their silly tug of war.

towatchoverme: Pollexabator: Can we get a billboard that pisses off both groups? Maybe something like, "Orson Scott Card is a horrible writer!"

Shut your whore mouth.

Hey, it's true. He had one good book and has been coasting off of it ever since.

phlegmmo: Its four Beehive State billboards aim to let "nonbelievers" know they're not alone this time of year.

Why is 'nonbelievers' in quotes?

I would ask you the same thing, but then we'd be in a recursive loop.

HeartBurnKid: towatchoverme: Pollexabator: Can we get a billboard that pisses off both groups? Maybe something like, "Orson Scott Card is a horrible writer!"

Shut your whore mouth.

Hey, it's true. He had one good book and has been coasting off of it ever since.

Man I don't want to agree but kinda this. I see Orson Scott Card as working man's Neal Stephenson.

HeartBurnKid: towatchoverme: Pollexabator: Can we get a billboard that pisses off both groups? Maybe something like, "Orson Scott Card is a horrible writer!"

Shut your whore mouth.

Hey, it's true. He had one good book and has been coasting off of it ever since.

Ender's Shadow was good too.

HeartBurnKid: phlegmmo: Its four Beehive State billboards aim to let "nonbelievers" know they're not alone this time of year.

Why is 'nonbelievers' in quotes?

Because it's Utah.

NobleHam: Atheists, this is why people don't like you.

So, when I see the over 9000 one "Jesus is the reason for the season" billboards, is that a good reason to hate Christians?

yes, and FTFY

When you live in a place where 60% of the people think that a child molesting con man was a prophet of an invisible sky wizard and his zombie son; then atheism is a logical reaction.

It takes a lot of balls to do something like this in Utah. Utah is the closest thing we have to a theocracy in this country.

phlegmmo: Its four Beehive State billboards aim to let "nonbelievers" know they're not alone this time of year.

Why is 'nonbelievers' in quotes?

Because they adhere is a belief system. They hold Sunday meetings, put up billboards in an attempt to convert people to their beliefs, etc., etc. If they weren't so annoying it would be sad.