Sandusky sings Butterfly Kisses to all the kids.

UFIA yet?

stevegarbowski: UFIA yet?

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Updated 9:30 a.m.: "I know they saw me. They both looked directly in my eyes, both of them," McQueary said on the stand. McQueary's mom is on verge of tears in the back of the room, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports. McQueary said: "I believe they were having some kind of intercourse. He moved toward shower and Sandusky separated from the boy. He didn't say anything and left. I was distraught. I was horrified" -- from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:28 a.m.: "No question at all" when asked if it was a child in the shower with Jerry, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.

Updated 9:25 a.m.: McQueary testified that he heard 'rhythmic slapping sounds' as he entered locker room. Said he saw boy with hands on shower wall with Jerry's arms wrapped around waist, from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:21 a.m.: McQueary says "I did not see insertion or hear screaming or yelling," USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.

Just wait till the other kids from the Charity come forward about Sandusky's pimping skills.

p the boiler: stevegarbowski: UFIA yet?

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Updated 9:30 a.m.: "I know they saw me. They both looked directly in my eyes, both of them," McQueary said on the stand. McQueary's mom is on verge of tears in the back of the room, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports. McQueary said: "I believe they were having some kind of intercourse. He moved toward shower and Sandusky separated from the boy. He didn't say anything and left. I was distraught. I was horrified" -- from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:28 a.m.: "No question at all" when asked if it was a child in the shower with Jerry, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.

Updated 9:25 a.m.: McQueary testified that he heard 'rhythmic slapping sounds' as he entered locker room. Said he saw boy with hands on shower wall with Jerry's arms wrapped around waist, from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:21 a.m.: McQueary says "I did not see insertion or hear screaming or yelling," USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.

UPIA?

Just got home from Illinois, lock the front door, oh boy!
Got to sit down, take a rest on the porch.
Imagination sets in, pretty soon I'm singin',

Doo, doo, doo, Lookin' out my back door.

"Look, I'm not saying it was intercourse, but I'm not saying it wasn't." [citation needed]

Don't care.

I been up, I been down.
Take my word, my way 'round.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some tush.

NASAM: p the boiler: stevegarbowski: UFIA yet?

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Updated 9:30 a.m.: "I know they saw me. They both looked directly in my eyes, both of them," McQueary said on the stand. McQueary's mom is on verge of tears in the back of the room, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports. McQueary said: "I believe they were having some kind of intercourse. He moved toward shower and Sandusky separated from the boy. He didn't say anything and left. I was distraught. I was horrified" -- from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:28 a.m.: "No question at all" when asked if it was a child in the shower with Jerry, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.

Updated 9:25 a.m.: McQueary testified that he heard 'rhythmic slapping sounds' as he entered locker room. Said he saw boy with hands on shower wall with Jerry's arms wrapped around waist, from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:21 a.m.: McQueary says "I did not see insertion or hear screaming or yelling," USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.

UPIA?

URSSIA

p the boiler: stevegarbowski: UFIA yet?

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Updated 9:30 a.m.: "I know they saw me. They both looked directly in my eyes, both of them," McQueary said on the stand. McQueary's mom is on verge of tears in the back of the room, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports. McQueary said: "I believe they were having some kind of intercourse. He moved toward shower and Sandusky separated from the boy. He didn't say anything and left. I was distraught. I was horrified" -- from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:28 a.m.: "No question at all" when asked if it was a child in the shower with Jerry, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.

Updated 9:25 a.m.: McQueary testified that he heard 'rhythmic slapping sounds' as he entered locker room. Said he saw boy with hands on shower wall with Jerry's arms wrapped around waist, from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:21 a.m.: McQueary says "I did not see insertion or hear screaming or yelling," USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.


Well, the important thing is that he contacted a university administrator.

Why does this guy still have a job and JoPa does not?

Hope I can figure out this damn soap stuff so I can clean up before this gets good.

So they're going to shower him with questions?

\nuthin

This new "teaching kids how to wash themselves" defense is an amazing display of desperation by Sandusky's mouthpiece. They must have gotten no hint of a deal from the DA if they're trying to float an innocence argument with all the victims lined up.

Sickening. I'd be surprised if someone doesn't Carl-Lee Haley those two coming out of the courthouse one day.

fireclown: p the boiler: stevegarbowski: UFIA yet?

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Updated 9:30 a.m.: "I know they saw me. They both looked directly in my eyes, both of them," McQueary said on the stand. McQueary's mom is on verge of tears in the back of the room, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports. McQueary said: "I believe they were having some kind of intercourse. He moved toward shower and Sandusky separated from the boy. He didn't say anything and left. I was distraught. I was horrified" -- from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:28 a.m.: "No question at all" when asked if it was a child in the shower with Jerry, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.

Updated 9:25 a.m.: McQueary testified that he heard 'rhythmic slapping sounds' as he entered locker room. Said he saw boy with hands on shower wall with Jerry's arms wrapped around waist, from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:21 a.m.: McQueary says "I did not see insertion or hear screaming or yelling," USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.


Well, the important thing is that he contacted a university administrator.

I think it would be completely fair if he went to prison.

I don't understand how it's possible to say something like, "I saw him butt-slamming a kid in the shower" without immediately following up with "so I beat the holy piss out of him and called the cops."

The real fun is going to start when the civil suits are filed against Penn.

"We're a private institution when subject to FOIA laws, but a public one when we need to declare sovereign immunity to keep from being sued out of existence".

factoryconnection: This new "teaching kids how to wash themselves" defense is an amazing display of desperation by Sandusky's mouthpiece. They must have gotten no hint of a deal from the DA if they're trying to float an innocence argument with all the victims lined up.

Sickening. I'd be surprised if someone doesn't Carl-Lee Haley those two coming out of the courthouse one day.

Too much publicity to cut a deal.

DirkTheDaring: I don't understand how it's possible to say something like, "I saw him butt-slamming a kid in the shower" without immediately following up with "so I beat the holy piss out of him and called the cops."

At least call 911. And remember kids, if we have learned nothing else here, do not trust campus authorities to prosecute a crime. If something like this comes up, call 911. Not campus security, 911.

factoryconnection: This new "teaching kids how to wash themselves" defense is an amazing display of desperation by Sandusky's mouthpiece. They must have gotten no hint of a deal from the DA if they're trying to float an innocence argument with all the victims lined up.

I have to think at this point, given the absolutely bizarre handling so far, that his defense lawyer is playing an elaborate joke on Sandusky.

McQueary must have been in on it, as any well adjusted mature male would be repulsed and gotten Sandusky fired and arrested immediately.

The Penn State football locker room showers are beginning to look like something that would make Caligula blush.

I got a memo a few days ago from my University reminding me to report boy-rape to LE. I think our trustees must have read last week's Onion.

vernonFL: 'rhythmic slapping sounds' as he entered locker room.

To which Sandusky's lawyer responded: "He was merely giving the boy a standing O."


/aisle seat

Brandyelf: Why does this guy still have a job and JoPa does not?

They should all be fired and jailed.

Confabulat: Updated 10: 59 a.m.: When asked if Sandusky had an erection, McQueary said, "I don't know. I don't look and stare down there."

That kind of answer makes me wonder if the answer is actually "yes, but I have the kind of socialized hangups about seeing erect dicks that most males are programmed by society to have and can't even admit to seeing another guy's boner lest someone, somewhere, think that even admitting I saw one in the midst of the owner committing a horrible act of abuse might make me, horror of unspeakable horrors, not entirely straight. Oh, and I took tons of shiat for my name as a kid. You do the math."

What a horror show.

Jake Havechek: something that would make Caligula blush.

You mean like what she asked of me at the end of the day?

Penn State is now the eastern capital of boy buggery, if you leave out Rush Limbaugh.

Splinshints: factoryconnection: This new "teaching kids how to wash themselves" defense is an amazing display of desperation by Sandusky's mouthpiece. They must have gotten no hint of a deal from the DA if they're trying to float an innocence argument with all the victims lined up.

I have to think at this point, given the absolutely bizarre handling so far, that his defense lawyer is playing an elaborate joke on Sandusky.

His lawyer backed off the "teaching how to shower" thing after he realized that it meant admitting that Sandusky was showering with boys. I don't have the exact citation, but he claimed the media took it out of context and that he wasn't specifically talking about Sandusky.

fireclown: At least call 911. And remember kids, if we have learned nothing else here, do not trust campus authorities to prosecute a crime. If something like this comes up, call 911. Not campus security, 911.

I don't understand how this would have helped. Didn't the local police help cover it up as well?

Anyone who helped covered this up should be executed. I don't care if they never personally raped a kid. Willingness to help cover up a crime should be punished just as much as the crime itself.

highbrow45: fireclown: p the boiler: stevegarbowski: UFIA yet?

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Updated 9:30 a.m.: "I know they saw me. They both looked directly in my eyes, both of them," McQueary said on the stand. McQueary's mom is on verge of tears in the back of the room, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports. McQueary said: "I believe they were having some kind of intercourse. He moved toward shower and Sandusky separated from the boy. He didn't say anything and left. I was distraught. I was horrified" -- from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:28 a.m.: "No question at all" when asked if it was a child in the shower with Jerry, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.

Updated 9:25 a.m.: McQueary testified that he heard 'rhythmic slapping sounds' as he entered locker room. Said he saw boy with hands on shower wall with Jerry's arms wrapped around waist, from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:21 a.m.: McQueary says "I did not see insertion or hear screaming or yelling," USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.


Well, the important thing is that he contacted a university administrator.

I think it would be completely fair if he went to prison.

Which would only serve to further prevent people from reporting abuse, if they know that if they report it after a certain deadline they will go to prison themselves.

THX 1138: Jake Havechek: something that would make Caligula blush.

You mean like what she asked of me at the end of the day?

Heh. Good one.

serpent_sky: I'd make a better lawyer than this guy (not that I would ever defend a rapist) and I got my GED in law from Fark University.

Rapist have rights, too. It's actually one of the beautiful things about our constitution.

You see the Second Mile is the longest one after you've had a perverted old man jam you up the ass.

Lost Thought 00: highbrow45: fireclown: p the boiler: stevegarbowski: UFIA yet?

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Updated 9:30 a.m.: "I know they saw me. They both looked directly in my eyes, both of them," McQueary said on the stand. McQueary's mom is on verge of tears in the back of the room, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports. McQueary said: "I believe they were having some kind of intercourse. He moved toward shower and Sandusky separated from the boy. He didn't say anything and left. I was distraught. I was horrified" -- from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:28 a.m.: "No question at all" when asked if it was a child in the shower with Jerry, USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.

Updated 9:25 a.m.: McQueary testified that he heard 'rhythmic slapping sounds' as he entered locker room. Said he saw boy with hands on shower wall with Jerry's arms wrapped around waist, from USA TODAY's Kevin Johnson.

Updated 9:21 a.m.: McQueary says "I did not see insertion or hear screaming or yelling," USA TODAY's Audrey Snyder reports from the courtroom.


Well, the important thing is that he contacted a university administrator.

I think it would be completely fair if he went to prison.

Which would only serve to further prevent people from reporting abuse, if they know that if they report it after a certain deadline they will go to prison themselves.

I think it might encourage people to call the police when they see a guy in the shower banging a kid instead of calling their dad. Wasn't he 26 years old? He has some responsibility here.

fireclown: DirkTheDaring: I don't understand how it's possible to say something like, "I saw him butt-slamming a kid in the shower" without immediately following up with "so I beat the holy piss out of him and called the cops."

At least call 911. And remember kids, if we have learned nothing else here, do not trust campus authorities to prosecute a crime. If something like this comes up, call 911. Not campus security, 911.

Most large campuses have their own police jurisdiction. If you call 911 it goes to the campus police because they're accredited state/county/local police. Depends on how it's set up.

My alma mater was pretty small (about 7000 undergrads, no grads) and our campus security were recognized as county police (meaning they not only had jurisdiction on campus, but in all the neighborhoods surrounding campus as well. We had a police chief and they carried guns and everything. The boring jobs were filled by students wearing yellow vests.