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2011-12-16 07:47:45 AM  
thejackieblog.files.wordpress.com

/sad sperm is sad
 
2011-12-16 07:55:29 AM  
www.motifake.com
 
2011-12-16 08:00:14 AM  
I used to see ads offering this kind of service in the Mensa Bulletin.

No, it wasn't me.

/but I'm willing
//Hey, it's the only way an INTJ, curmudgeonly misanthrope jerk like me will be able to breed
///just need ice, a Styrofoam box, fedex and BIE
////EIP
 
2011-12-16 08:01:34 AM  
man, my post and the one above it are the most appropriate adjacent posts I have seen on fark in ages.

HA!
 
2011-12-16 08:04:59 AM  
'Last year, federal Food and Drug Administration officials delivered a letter ordering Arsenault to "cease manufacturing," ...'

I can tell you one thing, he ain't gonna be "ceasing manufacturing." He might stop distributing, but the manufacturing is probably gonna keep going.
 
2011-12-16 08:09:55 AM  
img1.fark.net strangely absent...?
 
2011-12-16 08:16:22 AM  
This may be farked up to say, but I don't think we need people who can't afford children, who can't have children, having children.

Especially from this guy:
forums.arfguild.com
 
2011-12-16 08:16:59 AM  

LookInTheDog: 'Last year, federal Food and Drug Administration officials delivered a letter ordering Arsenault to "cease manufacturing," ...'

I can tell you one thing, he ain't gonna be "ceasing manufacturing." He might stop distributing, but the manufacturing is probably gonna keep going.


lol!
 
2011-12-16 08:31:40 AM  
I think this is outside the jurisdiction of the government. I thought we all felt that we didn't want them telling us where we stick it?
 
2011-12-16 08:32:04 AM  
Erm...
Is that a food or a drug?
 
2011-12-16 08:32:08 AM  
'cease manufacturing'

I larfed
 
2011-12-16 08:36:47 AM  
Didn't do any research, but I believe that it is illegal to sell human organic material. Of course, I'm sure the price is all for the shipping and handling, yes, yes, handlinggggg....
 
2011-12-16 08:40:50 AM  
If these children result in government benefits being paid to the mother, I suspect this guy will find himself bankrupted pretty much immediately. Absent a licensed fertility clinic, I don't think the parents can sign away his financial responsibility for his offspring.

Isn't this why -- when a single mother applies for such benefits -- they're fairly persistent in trying to identify the father, so he can be forced to contribute the the welfare of the child?

I'd think that a contract trying to let him off the hook would be held void as contrary to public interest?
 
2011-12-16 08:43:12 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Erm...
Is that a food or a drug?


Both.

It's the new white meat, and love is the drug.

It's also a damned good adhesive for paper, especially glossy magazine pages.

Semen -- is there nothing it can't do?
 
2011-12-16 08:51:13 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Erm...
Is that a food or a drug?


Maybe he made a medical claim like it could induce pregnancy. Afterall, if they don't run the studies, there is no proof that he is even human.
 
2011-12-16 08:54:46 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Erm...
Is that a food or a drug?


Well...protein is a componant, so I'm going with food.
 
2011-12-16 08:56:27 AM  

MoreVespeneGas: This may be farked up to say, but I don't think we need people who can't afford children, who can't have children, having children.

Especially from this guy:
[forums.arfguild.com image 501x480]


This
 
2011-12-16 09:01:22 AM  
Eeew disgusting! You mean - 'fluid transfer'? Do you know what the exchange of bodily fluids leads to?
 
2011-12-16 09:05:02 AM  
go the legit route...if you're 'low income' you probably shouldn't be having kids anyway. Not to say 'poor people can't have kids', but you shouldn't be having a child out of your own selfish wants if you can't provide for them yourself and you depend on public assistance.

"slightly" off topic but close enough....There are women giving away breast milk on Craigslist and Facebook...my wife has seen it, reported it because of the obvious health concerns and got a 'meh'. you can transmit all sorts of diseases and whatnot through breast milk, not to mention any drugs (prescrip or otherwise) they're on. There are breast milk donation companies that take in milk, test it to confirm it's safe, etc.
 
2011-12-16 09:07:44 AM  
Isn't it strictly "do-it-yourself"? Or did the fertility clinic lie to me when I asked about assistance?
 
2011-12-16 09:14:27 AM  
Artificial insemination is weird anyway, if you ask me, but I don't see how this can possibly be illegal. If random sex isn't illegal, including gay or swinger sex, then you can't possibly say that this is - since it's essentially the same thing, minus the messy sex part.

Keep in mind that the government created this situation in the first place by allowing sperm recipients to sue donors for child support. This caused a huge shortage of sperm donations, which in turn made it far too expensive for poor people to obtain sperm.
 
2011-12-16 09:52:23 AM  
"Do you need...assistance?" (sorta NSFW)

/yes, it's the Road Trip scene
 
2011-12-16 10:40:58 AM  
In California, if you don't use a clinic, you can be held liable for all children.


California: The golden state Women and children first.
 
2011-12-16 10:44:19 AM  

ihatedumbpeople: "slightly" off topic but close enough....There are women giving away breast milk on Craigslist and Facebook...my wife has seen it, reported it because of the obvious health concerns and got a 'meh'. you can transmit all sorts of diseases and whatnot through breast milk, not to mention any drugs (prescrip or otherwise) they're on. There are breast milk donation companies that take in milk, test it to confirm it's safe, etc.


You wouldn't believe what these companies charge for breast milk. No way could most people afford it without their insurance covering it, which it usually won't. Obviously there are concerns about taking breast milk from somebody but I can see why people do it. Also, the donors have often recently given birth, and are able to provide recent hospital tests (taken during pregnancy) showing that they are not carriers of HIV, Hepatitis C, etc. If the milk is being given away for free (usually the case), the donor has no motivation to conceal anything, and is not very likely to be a drug user.
 
2011-12-16 10:55:23 AM  
I wonder if any of the chicks are good looking? I'm guessing he took on a couple of fatties. Gross, just gross.
 
2011-12-16 11:03:31 AM  
Isn't the main issue here that he is donating to so many people? I remember there being an story recently with some guy who fathered 90 some kids because the sperm bank wasn't keeping proper records (to lazy to look for the story). This not only creates a shallower gene pool, but also the increased probability of people unknowingly marrying and procreating with their half-siblings
 
2011-12-16 11:47:04 AM  

cs30109: ihatedumbpeople: "slightly" off topic but close enough....There are women giving away breast milk on Craigslist and Facebook...my wife has seen it, reported it because of the obvious health concerns and got a 'meh'. you can transmit all sorts of diseases and whatnot through breast milk, not to mention any drugs (prescrip or otherwise) they're on. There are breast milk donation companies that take in milk, test it to confirm it's safe, etc.

You wouldn't believe what these companies charge for breast milk. No way could most people afford it without their insurance covering it, which it usually won't. Obviously there are concerns about taking breast milk from somebody but I can see why people do it. Also, the donors have often recently given birth, and are able to provide recent hospital tests (taken during pregnancy) showing that they are not carriers of HIV, Hepatitis C, etc. If the milk is being given away for free (usually the case), the donor has no motivation to conceal anything, and is not very likely to be a drug user.


Personally, I'd go with formula rather than take the chance. If they're low income, WIC and other programs cover formula and it's fine...better that than risk it...
 
2011-12-16 11:47:40 AM  

The Singing Bush: Isn't the main issue here that he is donating to so many people? I remember there being an story recently with some guy who fathered 90 some kids because the sperm bank wasn't keeping proper records (to lazy to look for the story). This not only creates a shallower gene pool, but also the increased probability of people unknowingly marrying and procreating with their half-siblings


A couple hundred people out of 6 billion isn't a gene pool dilution issue.

I think the main problems would be representation of health risks and child support issues.

However, the legal stuff gets interesting if it is a fully free service. In contract law it raises questions about the "consideration" and then any paperwork he involves may be void. If it is free, then maybe it isn't a service or business at all (can FDA really call it manufacturing if there is no actually business activity). If it is not a business, then it probably has to be considered sexual activity with intention to procreate and so he would be in a lot of risk of child support claims.

Anyway, to me the amazing part of the story is that anyone would look at that guy and want his sperm.
 
2011-12-16 12:26:58 PM  
"Arsenault, who regards his donations as a way to help low-income people struggling with infertility."
These are exactly the people who shouldn't be having kids. They can't afford it, and have bad genetics. It was win-win for society until this guy stepped in. The last thing we need is more people, and especially more poor kids running around robbing everyone blind.
 
2011-12-16 12:58:26 PM  

TheWizard: Eeew disgusting! You mean - 'fluid transfer'? Do you know what the exchange of bodily fluids leads to?


Yeah, I do! Kids, smoking, a desire to raid the fridge.

Awesome movie! :D
 
2011-12-16 01:35:24 PM  

GDubDub: Didn't do any research, but I believe that it is illegal to sell human organic material. Of course, I'm sure the price is all for the shipping and handling, yes, yes, handlinggggg....


I doubt this is true (at least that broadly defined) because the human-hair wig industry seems fairly large.
 
2011-12-16 03:50:36 PM  

Stinkyy: I wonder if any of the chicks are good looking? I'm guessing he took on a couple of fatties. Gross, just gross.


CNN got a video interview with one of the women. A bit funny-lookin' in a general sorta way, and had a weird way of head-bobbing when making points to the camera. I ain't diagnosing it any further than "this was not quite a normal woman".

TFA has video of the guy himself, who clearly isn't normal himself. Odd mannerism which would probably just trigger gaydar under normal circumstances, but take on a whole new sort of creepiness when you find out what his "thing" is.
 
2011-12-16 04:27:28 PM  
Meet me in the study...
lobo.sbc.edu
 
2011-12-16 07:06:04 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: In California, if you don't use a clinic, you can be held liable for all children.

California: The golden state Women and children first.


THIS.

I'm the donor to a couple I know and have continuing contact but we went through a clinic for STD and viability testing (I set the record for % viability in the 40+ year history of the clinic), and a formal state adoption release for procedural protections. Without that, I could be named in paternity and child welfare court actions.

The family courts are motivated to protect the welfare and care of children no matter what so that the state doesn't have to.
 
2011-12-17 12:28:08 AM  

lohphat: Britney Spear's Speculum: In California, if you don't use a clinic, you can be held liable for all children.

California: The golden state Women and children first.

THIS.

I'm the donor to a couple I know and have continuing contact but we went through a clinic for STD and viability testing (I set the record for % viability in the 40+ year history of the clinic), and a formal state adoption release for procedural protections. Without that, I could be named in paternity and child welfare court actions.

The family courts are motivated to protect the welfare and care of children no matter what so that the state doesn't have to.


I heard it wasn't even possible for the mother to agree that child support would not be pursued. She may choose not to pursue it, but cannot sign away a right to it. The right is supposed to belong to the child and the parent only pursues it on the child's behalf. But the mother could not sign away the child's future right to support.
 
2011-12-17 01:00:34 AM  
So he can't run a sperm bank, but presumably he'd be allowed to do... er... "direct deposit"?
 
2011-12-17 01:44:25 AM  

Oznog: lohphat: Britney Spear's Speculum: In California, if you don't use a clinic, you can be held liable for all children.

California: The golden state Women and children first.

THIS.

I'm the donor to a couple I know and have continuing contact but we went through a clinic for STD and viability testing (I set the record for % viability in the 40+ year history of the clinic), and a formal state adoption release for procedural protections. Without that, I could be named in paternity and child welfare court actions.

The family courts are motivated to protect the welfare and care of children no matter what so that the state doesn't have to.

I heard it wasn't even possible for the mother to agree that child support would not be pursued. She may choose not to pursue it, but cannot sign away a right to it. The right is supposed to belong to the child and the parent only pursues it on the child's behalf. But the mother could not sign away the child's future right to support.


It obviously varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Depending on the language, it might not be signing away the right to support, but transferring it.
 
2011-12-17 01:49:25 AM  

ProfessorOhki: GDubDub: Didn't do any research, but I believe that it is illegal to sell human organic material. Of course, I'm sure the price is all for the shipping and handling, yes, yes, handlinggggg....

I doubt this is true (at least that broadly defined) because the human-hair wig industry seems fairly large.


It's not illegal to sell, it might be illegal to transport/store in unsafe manners.

It's interesting to note that there are quite a few safety processes/items that almost seem to be ubiquitous are not the byproduct of compliance with laws, but voluntarily implemented to avoid being sued.
 
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