even more interesting is the assertion that 1/3 americans smokes marijuana.

that's bullshiat.

Kazan: even more interesting is the assertion that 1/3 americans smokes marijuana.

that's bullshiat.

Even if the question is whether they have ever smoked it even once in their lives, that's a little hard to believe.

Kazan: even more interesting is the assertion that 1/3 americans smokes marijuana.

that's bullshiat.

Well, 1/3 of voting Americans being stoned would explain quite a bit.

Newts hard line position on drugs is the single biggest problem I have with his policy positions. That said, selling cocaine didn't harm Obama too much and Clinton was able to get away with an "I didn't inhale" line, so I don't think this will harm Newt too much.

gilgigamesh: Kazan: even more interesting is the assertion that 1/3 americans smokes marijuana.

that's bullshiat.

Even if the question is whether they have ever smoked it even once in their lives, that's a little hard to believe.

I don't find it hard to believe 33% of Americans have tried pot. I don't think I know one person who hasn't tried it. Maybe some people in my family... but they were in their 30s in the 1960s, so still...

CanisNoir: Newts hard line position on drugs is the single biggest problem I have with his policy positions. That said, selling cocaine didn't harm Obama too much and Clinton was able to get away with an "I didn't inhale" line, so I don't think this will harm Newt too much.

Obama and Clinton were both running for Democratic nominations, and that party is a bit more forgiving about those things.

CanisNoir: That said, selling cocaine didn't harm Obama too much

Where did you get selling from?

I don't care if he did or didn't. I think he's admitted it himself. My problem is the moral "get out of jail" free card he gives himself, and himself alone, to evade the responsibility for his actions.

Kazan: even more interesting is the assertion that 1/3 americans smokes marijuana.

that's bullshiat.

Seriously

/in California, it's at least 2/3

Kazan: even more interesting is the assertion that 1/3 americans smokes marijuana.

that's bullshiat.

I'm in my late 40's and live in a fairly typical suburban area...I'd say that as many as 1/2 of the people I know smoke, or have smoked regularly in the past. In high school it was probably closer to 2/3.

Dusk-You-n-Me: CanisNoir: That said, selling cocaine didn't harm Obama too much

Where did you get selling from?

Orly Taitz told him. Or maybe it was Skinnyhead?

Wait... Gingrich has a Ph.D? Are we supposed to call him Dr. Newt Gingrich now?

DR. RON PAUL

Diogenes: Obama and Clinton were both running for Democratic nominations, and that party is a bit more forgiving about those things.

I'm not sure about that anymore. There's been a strong Libertarian influence among Conservative circles lately with the whole Tea Party movement and I think you'd be surprised at how much more forgiving the base is towards those things now than they used to be. If anything, I think taking a super hard line stance against it would be detrimental in the general election simply because the decriminalization and legalization movements have picked up a lot of support.

Dusk-You-n-Me: Where did you get selling from?

After some further research, I could be mistaken about "selling" and will amend my statement to he smoked pot and did cocaine, either way, it still didn't hurt him all that much if at all.

As we mentioned, Obama wrote on the subject in Dreams. Here's an excerpt:
"I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though -- Mickey, my potential initiator, had been just a little too eager for me to go through with that. Said he could do it blind-folded, but he was shaking like a faulty engine when he said it. Maybe he was just cold; we were standing in a meat freezer in the back of the deli where he worked and it couldn't have been more than 20 degrees in there. But he didn't look like he was shaking from th ecold. Looked more like he was sweating, his face shiny and tight. He had pulled out the needle and the tubing, and I'd looked at him standing there, surrounded by big slabs of salami and roast beef, and right then an image popped into my head o fan air bubble, shiny and round like a pearly rolling quietly through a vein and stopping my heart....

"Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. Except the highs hadn't been about that, me trying to prove what a down brother I was. Not by then, anyway. I got high for just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory."

So, the point still stands, I don't see this hurting Newt all that much either.

downstairs: gilgigamesh: Kazan: even more interesting is the assertion that 1/3 americans smokes marijuana.

that's bullshiat.

Even if the question is whether they have ever smoked it even once in their lives, that's a little hard to believe.

I don't find it hard to believe 33% of Americans have tried pot. I don't think I know one person who hasn't tried it. Maybe some people in my family... but they were in their 30s in the 1960s, so still...

i know WAAAY more people who haven't and wouldn't try it than those who have.
Eddie Adams from Torrance: Kazan: even more interesting is the assertion that 1/3 americans smokes marijuana.

that's bullshiat.

I'm in my late 40's and live in a fairly typical suburban area...I'd say that as many as 1/2 of the people I know smoke, or have smoked regularly in the past. In high school it was probably closer to 2/3.

where the farking hell do you people live?

low-class skankburbia?


farking hell.


maybe i just don't hang out with the idiot crowd.

how is Animal-Color-Troll not banned?

when are you going to enforce the rules about trolling mods? ever?

Kazan: even more interesting is the assertion that 1/3 americans smokes marijuana.

that's bullshiat.

Unless you end that statement with every day. I'd believe that.

CanisNoir: After some further research, I could be mistaken about "selling" and will amend my statement to he smoked pot and did cocaine, either way, it still didn't hurt him all that much if at all.

Yeah, I knew he did it, I'd never heard that he sold it. Progress.

downstairs: I don't think I know one person who hasn't tried it.

Hi.

PainInTheASP: Kazan: even more interesting is the assertion that 1/3 americans smokes marijuana.

that's bullshiat.

Unless you end that statement with every day. I'd believe that.

i don't believe 1 in every 3 people have tried it. unless the distribution is massively uneven

Although Gingrich excuses his illegal drug use by implying that most of his fellow students also smoked pot, marijuana use was probably less common when he was in graduate school than it was in 1988. The government's survey data don't go back to 1971, when Gingrich got his Ph.D. But the survey shows a steady rise in drug use from 1974 until 1979. Although reported drug use declined after that, in 1988 it was still considerably higher than in 1974.

Uh, yeah, very few college students were smoking pot, in, oh, the late 1960s to 1971. No need to exaggerate where no exaggeration is needed. I would imagine that most of his fellow students did.

Kazan: where the farking hell do you people live?

low-class skankburbia?


farking hell.


maybe i just don't hang out with the idiot crowd.

Where the hell do you live?

Apparently wherever it is, you don't know much about your neighbors.

(Hint: a good portion of them have smoked pot. And a good portion will be smoking it tonight.)

Kazan: how is Animal-Color-Troll not banned?

Umm, maybe it's because I'm not trolling but instead brought up salient points about past presidential candidates who also experimented with drugs in the past and pointed out that it didn't really effect them.

Just because the world doesn't fit in with your preconceived notion of how it should be ordered doesn't mean you should go whining to the moderators like some two year old who was denied their toy at the store. The most recent report shows that while cigarette smoking in teens has decreased, marijuana smoking has increased. What ever will you do as two of these great evils assail you?! The horror!!!

/Oh, and the Moderators know that I don't have an ALT so you can drop the whole "Animal-Color" schtick, it only demonstrates your ignorance.

GAT_00: downstairs: I don't think I know one person who hasn't tried it.

Hi.

Hey, how's it going?

Seriously... never even tried it once?

I mean... I can't stand how it makes me feel, so I stick to vodka. But still... I can't imagine anyone who hasn't at least tried it.

Dusk-You-n-Me: CanisNoir: That said, selling cocaine didn't harm Obama too much

Where did you get selling from?

Oh, you didn't know that Obama was black?

downstairs: Seriously... never even tried it once?

Nope.

what_now: Oh, you didn't know that Obama was black?

If I were going in that direction with my statement I would have used Crack, I mean we all know that Cocaine is the "White Mans" drug... geeesh.

downstairs: GAT_00: downstairs: I don't think I know one person who hasn't tried it.

Hi.

Hey, how's it going?

Seriously... never even tried it once?

I mean... I can't stand how it makes me feel, so I stick to vodka. But still... I can't imagine anyone who hasn't at least tried it.

I am middle-aged and live in Humboldt County which should mean that a larger percentage of folks here smoke it than the average. Of the adults I know I would say that 8 out of 10 have tried it but only 3 out of 10 currently smoke it. I don't know anyone whose permastoned anymore. Prolly cuz all my friends are over 30.

Interestingly, most of the growers I know don't smoke it at all.

Pot is not really a recreational drug in the way alcohol is. It affects everyone so differently and as people age it changes as well. It's been a long time since I thought of pot as "fun." It's something I do when I'm in pain so my associations with it aren't all that positive - other than that it allows me to function when I have a migraine.

downstairs: Where the hell do you live?

grew up in iowa, live in seattle now.

i totally believe it of seattle area (33% have tried it) .. i don't believe it nationally.

downstairs: (Hint: a good portion of them have smoked pot. And a good portion will be smoking it tonight.)

actually they wouldn't - their asses would get evicted faster than you can say "law enforcement". the apartment complex where i live right now (till my house gets done - YAY!) is very attentive.

downstairs: GAT_00: downstairs: I don't think I know one person who hasn't tried it.

Hi.

Hey, how's it going?

Seriously... never even tried it once?

I mean... I can't stand how it makes me feel, so I stick to vodka. But still... I can't imagine anyone who hasn't at least tried it.

hello, i haven't tried it either. i have plenty of fun without poisoning myself, i've never seen the appeal of harming my body for fun. tried to get drunk once to see what it was like (10 shots in an hour)... i felt... nothing.

Kazan: i have plenty of fun without poisoning myself, i've never seen the appeal of harming my body for fun.

Excellent! So rare to find somebody with the will to swear off caffeine and refined sugar!

quickdraw: Kazan: i have plenty of fun without poisoning myself, i've never seen the appeal of harming my body for fun.

Excellent! So rare to find somebody with the will to swear off caffeine and refined sugar!

refined sugar harming your body? [CITATION NEEDED]

caffeine? i don't like coffee, and the pop i usually drink is not caffeinated. caffeine makes you piss (true story, look it up) and i don't like running to the bathroom with caffeine-pisses. also caffeine harmful? yeah.. [CITATION NEEDED] there too.


obviously anything in excess is harmful. but somethings are harmful even in moderation. refined sugar and caffeine are definitely not in that latter category.

Kazan: actually they wouldn't - their asses would get evicted faster than you can say "law enforcement". the apartment complex where i live right now (till my house gets done - YAY!) is very attentive.

Why the hell would your landlord care if people were smoking up inside? They're not responsible for the legalities of that.

Kazan: hello, i haven't tried it either. i have plenty of fun without poisoning myself, i've never seen the appeal of harming my body for fun. tried to get drunk once to see what it was like (10 shots in an hour)... i felt... nothing.

A. Pot doesn't do harm to your body
B. You didn't do 10 shots in an hour without feeling anything

Kazan: refined sugar harming your body? [CITATION NEEDED]

Ever heard of a cavity?

Kazan: grew up in iowa

By reading your other comments... you didn't need to tell me that. I already inferred it.

CornDog in 2012: Kazan: i have plenty of fun without poisoning myself, i've never seen the appeal of harming my body for fun. tried to get drunk once to see what it was like (10 shots in an hour)... i felt... nothing.

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Ha!

I've never actually seen someone BS about drinking... by saying they DIDN'T get drunk. That's some first class trolling.

Kazan: hello, i haven't tried it either. i have plenty of fun without poisoning myself, i've never seen the appeal of harming my body for fun. tried to get drunk once to see what it was like (10 shots in an hour)... i felt... nothing.

So somebody uses a big, round number to point out another politician's hypocrisy. A big, round number about the number of people who do/have done something a currently credible Presidential candidate has declared "illegal AND immoral" even though most people really don't seem to give a shiat.

And someone who can't spell or get his nouns and verbs to agree has a problem with that.

Color me surprised.

Hobodeluxe: my grandfather who was born in 1897 told me he smoked it when he was a "kid" in the Army. (WW1) and later when he lived in New Orleans

Threadjack...

Do you know where in New Orleans he lived, and when? Just curious. I'll devour any bit of NOLA history, even if its just anecdotal.

downstairs: Why the hell would your landlord care if people were smoking up inside? They're not responsible for the legalities of that.

smoking anything inside the apartments is banned in the entire complex. they care because smoking damages the buildings, raises their cleaning-between-tenants costs, etc.


GAT_00: Ever heard of a cavity?

ever heard of brushing your teeth? cavities don't form because of exposure to some refined sugar, and not only refined sugar can feed the bacteria that cause them.

downstairs: A. Pot doesn't do harm to your body

WRONG. THC is not particularly harmful, smoking pot is approximately the same as smoking cigarettes, but with a lot more tar.

downstairs: B. You didn't do 10 shots in an hour without feeling anything

i didn't notice any affect at all. i'm sure my reflexes were probably slowed down. but i was walking fine, talking fine. i just "felt nothing". it's chemically impossible that it didn't affect me in some way, but it was in no way that i noticed and thus "meh... what the hell is the fun in that?"

SoCalSurfer: You know how I know you're a liar?

how's that mr knows-more-about-me-than-i-do?

downstairs: Kazan: grew up in iowa

By reading your other comments... you didn't need to tell me that. I already inferred it.

lol

downstairs: I've never actually seen someone BS about drinking... by saying they DIDN'T get drunk

First time I really drank, I did 6 shots of 151 in an hour on a mostly empty stomach. I got pretty farked up from that. But that's OK, because nobody remembers the same parts of that night. So we all called it a draw.

Kazan: WRONG. THC is not particularly harmful, smoking pot is approximately the same as smoking cigarettes, but with a lot more tar.

No one smokes 20-25 joints a day.

If you smoke 1-2 cigs a day, you'll be fine.

CornDog in 2012: Kazan: i have plenty of fun without poisoning myself, i've never seen the appeal of harming my body for fun. tried to get drunk once to see what it was like (10 shots in an hour)... i felt... nothing.

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Hey in his defense it could have been 10 shots of Zima

downstairs: I've never actually seen someone BS about drinking... by saying they DIDN'T get drunk. That's some first class trolling.

i didn't say i didn't get drunk, i said a felt nothing.

Kazan: i didn't notice any affect at all. i'm sure my reflexes were probably slowed down. but i was walking fine, talking fine. i just "felt nothing". it's chemically impossible that it didn't affect me in some way, but it was in no way that i noticed and thus "meh... what the hell is the fun in that?"