It also has no problem requiring you to buy Obamaroads and Obamapolice either.

The President is near!

Soros?

hillbillypharmacist: BurnShrike: It also has no problem requiring you to buy Obamaroads and Obamapolice either.

Not to mention Obamasoldiers, Obamacleanwater, Obamapowergrid, Obamaschools, Obamadefenseofcriminalcharges, and Obamafoodsoyourungratefulassdon'tstarve.

You forgot Obamacongressionalpayroll.

A lot of states require an ID to vote.
Federal goverment requires I register and get an ID for a draft.
Federal goverment requires a Social Security ID for me to get a job.

Seems the federal government can require me to do a lot of things.

I'm not seeing a problem.

You can't get on an airplane without an ID.
You can't drive a car without an ID (license).
You can't get a job without an ID.

There are probably a lot more things like opening a bank account and renting an apartment that require an ID.

Going forward, the ID thing will be a non-issue. The problem is that there are still some elderly who have managed to get by without ID and they still have the right to vote. Of course, they tend to write in Calvin Coolidge, so it doesn't change much.

Also, because your taxes pay for the Social Security Administration which issues all those cards and replacements, you've subsidized lots of people's replacement cards...especially those damn hippies who lose their cards playing hacky sack or whatever it is they do.

Doesn't that make your ass pucker, right wingers? You PAY for poor people to get social security cards.

Hope it keeps you up at night.

MeinRS6: doublesecretprobation: the constitution prohibits poll taxes, it does not prohibit obamacare.

We'll see about that Obamacare question a little later.

I searched the Constitution for the phrase 'Obamacare' and found no mention of it.

MeinRS6: doublesecretprobation: the constitution prohibits poll taxes, it does not prohibit obamacare.

We'll see about that Obamacare question a little later.

If the mandate if found unconstitutional you'd still have the changes in laws that require health insurance companies to take people on regardless of preexisting conditions, right? Seems like that would kill the for profit health care model quicker than an intact Obamacare ever could. Curious why "conservatives" are being told to be against the mandate.

Muta: MeinRS6: doublesecretprobation: the constitution prohibits poll taxes, it does not prohibit obamacare.

We'll see about that Obamacare question a little later.

I searched the Constitution for the phrase 'Obamacare' and found no mention of it.

Air Force is missing too. And clean water, safe food, cars that don't explode on impact...my goodness, those Founding Fathers certainly sucked at predicting the future! There's nothing about matter transporters either, even though those will be invented in 100 years or so.

There's no mention of "Internet", "World Wide Web" or "series of tubes" either...must mean Fark is unconstitutional.

Subby would be the first to whine about people getting treatment, not paying for it and leaving the tab for the government...

Step 1: require a government issued ID to vote

Step 2: Close government offices issuing IDs to cut budget shortfalls, especially in lower income areas

Step 3: Permanent conservative voting majority

Step 4: Profit!

(Step 4 applies to the 1% only)

Muta: I searched the Constitution for the phrase 'Obamacare' and found no mention of it.

The problem is that a bare requirement to purchase a product (rather than regulations requiring a certain amount of purchases to accomplish a given desired action, like car insurance) is pretty much unprecedented for the government. There's a damn good chance the PPACA could get repealed.

It also has no problem requiring you to buy Obamabridges and ObamaSocialSecurity.

Other required purchases:

-ObamaTollBooths
-ObamaGovernmentBuildings
-ObamaStormWaterPoolInspections
-ObamaSaltSpreading
-ObamaFederalEmergencyManagementAgencyResponses
-ObamaFightBrownPeopleForces

This About That: It is an entirely different problem that health care is incredibly overpriced a a large portion of the people can't afford it.

But by mandating everyone have health insurance were creating an environment for the insurance companies to be able to operate on the larger scale which allows it to be more financially accessible and also for real free-market competition.

So, if were not seeing reasonably priced health insurance in the near future then we have to come to the conclusions that the "free market" model doesn't work for every scenario or that we will have to count on Americans to sit around and pay absurdly high prices for insurance until the market figures it all out.

Let's see how that works out....I'll get the Twizzlers and you can grab the popcorn.

Subby is an idiot.

/IDs don't prevent election fraud
//why do Republicans love passing tons of new regulations?

Headso: If the mandate if found unconstitutional you'd still have the changes in laws that require health insurance companies to take people on regardless of preexisting conditions, right?

That depends entirely on the courts. The health care bill was specifically crafted not to have a severability clause, I assume to dissuade repeal of portions of the bill. On its face, if a portion of the bill is repealed, the whole thing can be repealed, but the courts are fully capable of saying that it is severable despite the language within. You can see on the lower court rulings that found it unconstitutional that some found the mandate severable and some not.

You don't have to have health insurance to vote, even under "Obamacare".

LouDobbsAwaaaay: The government is not allowed to put up unnecessary road-blocks to voting, it's that simple. There simply aren't any "voter fraud" cases to justify an ID requirement, and the ID requirement is designed to be nothing but a hindrance to vote

I would have no problem with a voter ID system if it was intelligently implemented. Sadly, the GOP couldn't intelligently implement an egg salad sandwich.

winterwhile: well it looking bad, the business we run will go under, from Obamacare regulations that hit us in 2014.

does anyone know if Obamacare will exempt small busines's, so far we cant find a way out from the mandates?

we are either looking at selling, or just retirement in 2014..............


Geeeeeeeeeeeeee thanks dem-o-rats.. I get to join the unemployed... get to eat rat food

0/10. You couldn't pick up your game for the holidays?

badhatharry: And this is really all about poor little old white ladies that don't have id. Uh huh.

She's acceptable collateral damage to the assholes who created this law.

Buy Obamacare?

I have been very disappointed with my religion the last few years.....Roman Catholic with a twist of Lutheran.....and I am looking for something new. Is Barack Obama the Messiah?


/I need to know

Dancin_In_Anson: TFA: For years, Frank said, she didn't even have to say her name to get a ballot.

So any of us could walk into her precinct and expect the same?

That is probably an indication that everyone knew who the fark she was, not a policy.

sprawl15: LouDobbsAwaaaay: The government is not allowed to put up unnecessary road-blocks to voting, it's that simple. There simply aren't any "voter fraud" cases to justify an ID requirement, and the ID requirement is designed to be nothing but a hindrance to vote

I would have no problem with a voter ID system if it was intelligently implemented. Sadly, the GOP couldn't intelligently implement an egg salad sandwich.

Sure they could. But voter Identification and security isn't their goal. Their goal is turnout suppression of Democratic voters.

Dancin_In_Anson: hillbillypharmacist: Yeah, I bet it wasn't that she was part of the local government and was immediately recognized.

I see. So there would be a different procedure to assure that someone was eligible to vote in that precinct if they were not immediately recognized by the elections officials of said precinct. Fair nuff.

I don't know what it is like where she votes, but when I vote, I give my name, they find it in the register where a copy of my signature from somewhere (the previous time I voted?) is there and I have to sign again so they see that my signature matches. If she walked in and they all knew who she was and just turned to her page in the register without asking her name and she signed and the signatures matched... ok, right? Maybe it's not the same where she votes, but finding the right name and getting a matching signature seems to be the important part, not having that person say their farking name.