So, I'm confused. Who is subby saying I should blame?

FishyFred: Menz Rights Advocacy feces throwing clusterfark

This made me lol.

m3000: Meanwhile 20% of women areclaim to have been sexually assaulted.

And lets be honest: biatches'll say anything for attention.

FishyFred: m3000: Meanwhile 20% of women are sexually assaulted.

So while women have made a lot of gains in the last decade, it's still not a "fixed" problem.

The probability of this thread turning into a Menz Rights Advocacy feces throwing clusterfark just increased 250%.

Which is pretty impressive, since the headline alone started it at pretty much 1 to 1 odds. And with that, I'm out.

/Yes, yes, we know, us menz are so horribly persecuted.
//You're a better menz then I if you stay to see where this thread goes.

Don't worry, ladies, I'd rather take my innate masculine rage towards women out on hookers in Grand Theft Auto than on you in real life, so you're safe with me! Or maybe I'm just practicing. I'm not completely sure which.

Either way, though, nice shoes. Wanna fark?

CayceP: This part of TFA was kinda depressing: "Some of these women had learned the hard way that when they went to bars, they were better off lying about what they did - saying that they were a cosmetologist or music teacher rather than a software consultant or lawyer," Ms. Mundy said.

Seriously? Why the hell would you even date or consider someone who was immediately intimidated by your profession? I have a better idea! Don't pick up man children at bars and you'll probably have more fulfilling relationships.

...because she can change him, that's why.

also, "cosmetologist"?

Maureen Lipmann would be so proud.

Article is obviously pushing the conclusion from a book.

Asides from that though, the obvious reason for how things are panning out is that men don't have to work as much as we used to.

We don't need a good job to support a family because most of us don't want families.
We don't need a good job to attract a woman because most of the women have jobs already.

When your aspirations in life are to go out with your mates, drink beer and occasionally shag a drunken chick, you don't need to really push yourself that hard on the job front to get there.

If anything, I think guys have it pretty easy these days. If women want to kill themselves working and then still let us fark them and not have any kids, then I am totally fine with this.

It all comes down to equality if you're in any relationship whether it be marriage, gf/bf..my wife earns slightly more than I do slicing people up in autopsies, but I work just as much if not more, so she can go fark herself if she ever started to get uppity about it..

If she's cleaning or something, I'll watch the kid and vice/versa.. I can't be all " sorry honey, I'm a man so I gotta go read the paper on the couch while you cook, clean, do laundry, and watch snowflake..oh btw, mortgage is do..just pay out of your acct. thank you."

I hope women do take shiat over, I seriously think they'd be better world leaders than men, for most of the month

CayceP: This part of TFA was kinda depressing: "Some of these women had learned the hard way that when they went to bars, they were better off lying about what they did - saying that they were a cosmetologist or music teacher rather than a software consultant or lawyer," Ms. Mundy said.

Seriously? Why the hell would you even date or consider someone who was immediately intimidated by your profession? I have a better idea! Don't pick up man children at bars and you'll probably have more fulfilling relationships.

THIS!
Also "The last 10 guys I've dated were jerks...what's wrong with men!"
/Not us...
/Boobies, Been Fark Lurkin' since 2005!
/Not sure why I decided deployed to AFG was the right time to make an account!

Prince said it right. women are never satisfied.

I'm ok with this, because frankly, women suck at making sandwiches.

Because after seeing what happened to previous generations, men want to avoid the misery and early graves that work caused for many of their male role models?

They're happy sitting at home and doing their own thing / taking care of the sprogs because it's seems a far nicer life than having their souls slowly wrung out by a job that demands unflinching loyalty right up until the point they need to "rationalise" the business?

What I find most depressing about all these caterwauls about the status of men is that many times, it's just seen through the eyes of "waaah, where are all the successful/rich men gone I can marry?". Which surely is patronising to both sexes, right? The whole point of being good earners is that you are self sufficient and don't need to be provided for, yes? We should be celebrating the fact women are rightfully doing well, and celebrating the fact that (at the lower levels at least) we're finally starting to see a society where it's not men first for no reason. But no, we're still clinging on to the old ways with our stubborn little fingers and in a way that demeans all of us.

In short: Every journalist who bemoans the fact men are kidults instead of Don Draper needs to be punted into the sun.

Subby, I've boffed "mothers-in-law," not "mother-in-laws."

Close though!

Someone needs to tell my girl to get out of bed and find a job.

"Some of these women had learned the hard way that when they went to bars, they were better off lying about what they did - saying that they were a cosmetologist or music teacher rather than a software consultant or lawyer," Ms. Mundy said.

This statement caught my eye also. How could they possibly be better off lying about their profession, unless they were only interested in a one-night stand? Their lie would eventually be exposed, and then both parties would have wasted their time.

What a shocker. I was perusing before Yoga and I am completely stunned that today's "man", is anything but. I went through hell with multiple paid dating services to try to sift through herds of men before I met my husband. Living at home? Check. Video game "Enthusiast"? Check. Some dates you would just pray he had an actual car and you wouldn't be dining at Mom's. I feel terribly for the women out there that are dating these days. Not much to go on these days.

CayceP: This part of TFA was kinda depressing: "Some of these women had learned the hard way that when they went to bars, they were better off lying about what they did - saying that they were a cosmetologist or music teacher rather than a software consultant or lawyer," Ms. Mundy said.

Seriously? Why the hell would you even date or consider someone who was immediately intimidated by your profession? I have a better idea! Don't pick up man children at bars and you'll probably have more fulfilling relationships.

That, and I don't know why anyone who would consider dating someone who thought so little of them that they thought they had to lie about their profession to keep from intimidating them. Seriously ladies, knock that shiat off. Our feelings are not so easily hurt as you assume they are.

/And nobody is going to even have the opportunity to get used to this new paradigm if everyone pretends it's not happening, nobody is well served by this practice

Fizics: What a shocker. I was perusing before Yoga and I am completely stunned that today's "man", is anything but. I went through hell with multiple paid dating services to try to sift through herds of men before I met my husband. Living at home? Check. Video game "Enthusiast"? Check. Some dates you would just pray he had an actual car and you wouldn't be dining at Mom's. I feel terribly for the women out there that are dating these days. Not much to go on these days.

Buy your own toilet, missy.

Fizics: What a shocker. I was perusing before Yoga and I am completely stunned that today's "man", is anything but. I went through hell with multiple paid dating services to try to sift through herds of men before I met my husband. Living at home? Check. Video game "Enthusiast"? Check. Some dates you would just pray he had an actual car and you wouldn't be dining at Mom's. I feel terribly for the women out there that are dating these days. Not much to go on these days.

I've seen your name round these parts before...for some reason, you're making me think of a score out of ten, and something to do with billy goats and bridges.

thunderbird8804: That, and I don't know why anyone who would consider dating someone who thought so little of them that they thought they had to lie about their profession to keep from intimidating them. Seriously ladies, knock that shiat off. Our feelings are not so easily hurt as you assume they are.

Men clam up on me all the time when they find out what I do. I generally just brush off the question with a quick "I'm a teacher." It's not a lie, but it's not really the truth, either. And trust me, what I do is no big deal. People act weird when they find out, though.

A Bloody Disaster: Being a Madame is nothing to be ashamed of... don't you dare be ashamed of that. Carry your chin high, little lady.

/So, so sorry.

I reckon that'd go over better.

If you have a look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it looks like a lot of men have decided that esteem is not a goal worth perusing. And in a society that tells men that they don't deserve the esteem of others (particularly that of women), this is entirely understandable. Whether it is desirable for men to reverse this trend is something else entirely. If they give up on seeking esteem, but this allows them to refocus on self-actualization, then it might be a reasonable trade-off.

CayceP: This part of TFA was kinda depressing: "Some of these women had learned the hard way that when they went to bars, they were better off lying about what they did - saying that they were a cosmetologist or music teacher rather than a software consultant or lawyer," Ms. Mundy said.

Seriously? Why the hell would you even date or consider someone who was immediately intimidated by your profession? I have a better idea! Don't pick up man children at bars and you'll probably have more fulfilling relationships.

A more interesting question is, what kind of woman goes to a bar to attempt to start a fulfilling relationship by starting with false premises?

JERRY: Women need to like the job of the guy they're with. If they don't like the job, they don't like the guy. Men know this. Which is why we make up the phony, bogus names for the jobs that we have. "Well, right now, I'm the regional management supervisor. I'm in development, research, consulting..." Men on the other hand - if they are physically attracted to a woman - are not that concerned with her job. Are we? Men don't really care. Men'll just go, "Really? Slaughterhouse? Is that where you work? That sounds interesting. So whaddaya got a big cleaver there? You're just lopping their heads off? That sounds great! Listen, why don't you shower up, and we'll get some burgers and catch a movie."

A Bloody Disaster: Not any better than your lap on my face. Oh goodness gracious... it's good thing I'm out of beer now.

You really are a bloody disaster.

kellynoel: thunderbird8804: That, and I don't know why anyone who would consider dating someone who thought so little of them that they thought they had to lie about their profession to keep from intimidating them. Seriously ladies, knock that shiat off. Our feelings are not so easily hurt as you assume they are.

Men clam up on me all the time when they find out what I do. I generally just brush off the question with a quick "I'm a teacher." It's not a lie, but it's not really the truth, either. And trust me, what I do is no big deal. People act weird when they find out, though.

Is that how they're seeing things, or is that just you? I ask because I'm all too aware of how easy it is to read too much into people's responses (or lack thereof), and it's an easy trap to fall into.

As a SAHD (stay-at-home-dad), I 'm getting a kick out of: oppressing women by allowing women to earn more with better jobs while staying home playing video games, drinking beer whiskey, watching porn and boffing their mother-in-laws co-op preschool moms.

Nice work if you can get it. Hell, it beats watching Oprah/soaps and eating bon-bons.

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If you have a look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it looks like a lot of men have decided that esteem is not a goal worth perusing. And in a society that tells men that they don't deserve the esteem of others (particularly that of women), this is entirely understandable. Whether it is desirable for men to reverse this trend is something else entirely. If they give up on seeking esteem, but this allows them to refocus on self-actualization, then it might be a reasonable trade-off.

I'm pretty sure you are on the right track, and remember that a lot of people get their esteem boost by NOT caring about what some other whiny group of people think is important. My husband has endured over a decade of smirks and lame comments while being the primary in-home care giver to our kids. His esteem gets a real charge when the teachers, therapists, and MILFs in the neighborhood notice his efforts. And so long as the MILFs keep their distance, I am very happy going out to slay the financial dragons, while he WOWs during nap-time.

thunderbird8804: Is that how they're seeing things, or is that just you? I ask because I'm all too aware of how easy it is to read too much into people's responses (or lack thereof), and it's an easy trap to fall into.

When "they" do it, I usually ask what the problem is. Some have articulated that as the problem, and others have said that they don't know what to talk to me about once we get on that topic.

The vast majority of people that I meet assume that I think they are blithering idiots and expect me to know a lot about things that have absolutely nothing to do with my expertise.

The worst is when people start apologizing for their grammar, syntax, spelling, etc. I mean don't get me wrong, poor communication - written or verbal - annoys me...but I don't give my thoughts away for free. If they want a critique, edit or lesson from me, they're going to have to pay for it.

cherryl taggart: I am very happy going out to slay the financial dragons, while he WOWs during nap-time.

Honey? Is that you?

kellynoel: thunderbird8804: That, and I don't know why anyone who would consider dating someone who thought so little of them that they thought they had to lie about their profession to keep from intimidating them. Seriously ladies, knock that shiat off. Our feelings are not so easily hurt as you assume they are.

Men clam up on me all the time when they find out what I do. I generally just brush off the question with a quick "I'm a teacher." It's not a lie, but it's not really the truth, either. And trust me, what I do is no big deal. People act weird when they find out, though.


That just interests me further. And since there will prob be no possibility of me/us knowing who you really are in RL, what precisely IS it that you do for a living?

Why am i not surprised that when women are now not satisfied with what they got when they reached the top of the ladder. You want a play toy who will listen to every single thing you have to whine about, compliment you for waking up and getting out of bed without stubing your toe, and in general treating you like you haven't a fault in the world, aka "the Princess Treatment," and you have spent the last 20 years creating that world, but what you need is a man. Accept it ladies, you have made this bed, now you get to sleep in it

kellynoel: thunderbird8804: That, and I don't know why anyone who would consider dating someone who thought so little of them that they thought they had to lie about their profession to keep from intimidating them. Seriously ladies, knock that shiat off. Our feelings are not so easily hurt as you assume they are.

Men clam up on me all the time when they find out what I do. I generally just brush off the question with a quick "I'm a teacher." It's not a lie, but it's not really the truth, either. And trust me, what I do is no big deal. People act weird when they find out, though.

An instructional mortician? You like teach people how to do autopsies and shiat?

THAT'S HOT!

starsrift: A more interesting question is, what kind of woman goes to a bar to attempt to start a fulfilling relationship by starting with false premises?

I can't imagine that many professional women are going to bars to seek a fulfilling relationship. Particularly not when online dating is much easier and more likely to lead to success. I suspect most such women are looking for companionship in the short term and/or an ego boost.

And if there really are a lot of educated, professional women seeking long term relationships in bars, they're deluding themselves anyway. Of all the couples you know who are happily married or in long term relationships, how many of them when asked how they met say they just happened to both be wookin' pa nub at the same bar one night?

"you guys are keeping woman down! we demand to be allowed into the work place!!!"

later that decade...

"you guys are keeping woman down! All you do is stay home playing games and drinking beer!!!"


Women are never happy. Woman logic thread?

GuidoDelConfuso:

That was the gist thrust of my question, yeah. ;)

/ sorry, forgot, sexism thread

kellynoel: thunderbird8804: Is that how they're seeing things, or is that just you? I ask because I'm all too aware of how easy it is to read too much into people's responses (or lack thereof), and it's an easy trap to fall into.

When "they" do it, I usually ask what the problem is. Some have articulated that as the problem, and others have said that they don't know what to talk to me about once we get on that topic.

The vast majority of people that I meet assume that I think they are blithering idiots and expect me to know a lot about things that have absolutely nothing to do with my expertise.

The worst is when people start apologizing for their grammar, syntax, spelling, etc. I mean don't get me wrong, poor communication - written or verbal - annoys me...but I don't give my thoughts away for free. If they want a critique, edit or lesson from me, they're going to have to pay for it.

That sounds more like people intimidated by intelligence than profession though.

I'm not really surprised by this. We've reached an age where a typical woman increasingly has practical need for a man. You ladies are getting higher educations in higher numbers than us, and on the whole you don't really need us economically any more.

Hell, we men haven't really "needed" you women for some time. Your domestic skills have plummeted in the last few generations, to the point we've actually caught up. I take better care of my place and am a better cook than most of my exes. I mean hell, you've fallen so much on the domestic front that you ladies are increasingly taking college-level courses in early childhood education - just to learn how to raise kids! Meanwhile, every woman in every old-world culture have known how to do that since their mothers had them help raise their younger siblings from birth.

Women want EVERYTHING. They want parity of opportunities, to be able to succeed as far as they want in whatever they try - but they still want a "catch" of a man. Well guess what ladies, you now have the dilemma that every single tall chick has. You're just not attracted to men who are your equal - you want something better. And since you're pretty high up yourself, there ain't too many men higher than that to go 'round

So, to summarize: the average value of the western woman as a wife and mother has fallen enormously and the economic incentive for them to stick around has all but vanished. So...you're surprised that we men just aren't trying any more? Since you don't really have that much to offer, we'll take a little sex when we can get it, and if we can't, well there's always xbox.