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(Telegraph) Unlikely Tired of corruption, beatings and arrests, villagers chase out government officials and set up local democratic rule. The Arab Spring marches o... huh whut? no way. China?   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 66
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2011-12-14 09:42:42 AM
This probably won't end well
 
2011-12-14 09:42:59 AM
And the blood will flow like the Yangtze in spring.
 
2011-12-14 09:43:04 AM
They are so dead.
 
2011-12-14 09:43:35 AM
Democratic rule? I thought they were an autonomous collective.
 
2011-12-14 09:44:06 AM
This rural stuff is interesting, but the real fun comes when the Chinese real estate bubble collapses. Suddenly you have a city with 6 million or so people that lost everything when the bubble burst. Then the fun begins.
 
2011-12-14 09:45:23 AM
The drone-riots will end, Chairman Yang will nerve staple them.
 
2011-12-14 09:45:29 AM
"We have an old saying here," said Chen Liangshu, one of the villagers, referring to the legendary aggression of the Wukanese and their neighbours. "In heaven there is the Thunder God, on earth there is Lufeng and Wukan."

I admire their general bad-assery.
 
2011-12-14 09:45:38 AM
The US used to have an entire government agency devoted to causing civil unrest and uprisings among foreign populations. I wonder if we still do that.
 
2011-12-14 09:46:15 AM
heh.

Good luck with that.
 
2011-12-14 09:51:05 AM
Then after the soldiers finish burying the bits and pieces left of the enemies of the state, there will be a bunch of cheap land in that region.
 
2011-12-14 09:51:51 AM
Small-scale nuclear "accident" in 3...2...1...
 
2011-12-14 09:54:47 AM
Plant Rights Activist: Democratic rule? I thought they were an autonomous collective.

You're fooling yourself.
 
2011-12-14 09:55:25 AM
Plant Rights Activist: Democratic rule? I thought they were an autonomous collective.

You're fooling yourself. They're living in a dictatorship!
 
2011-12-14 09:56:03 AM
Dammit!
 
2011-12-14 09:59:18 AM
ha-ha-guy: This rural stuff is interesting, but the real fun comes when the Chinese real estate bubble collapses. Suddenly you have a city with 6 million or so people that lost everything when the bubble burst. Then the fun begins.

20 bucks ours fall before theirs
 
2011-12-14 10:00:52 AM
Plant Rights Activist: Democratic rule? I thought they were an autonomous collective.

In about a day and a half, that will technically be true.
 
2011-12-14 10:02:50 AM
*snerk*

Chinese...
 
2011-12-14 10:04:16 AM
Guangdong province and corrupt party officials?

Well, as they say, "the mountains are high and the emperor is far away".

Or atleast that's what it said in my fortune cookie that came with my sweet and sour pork and General Tsao's chicken I had today for lunch.
 
2011-12-14 10:04:26 AM
Somehow, this is Obama's fault.
 
2011-12-14 10:06:16 AM
/me calls factory rep in China to start cranking out "Yes Wukan" t-shirts...
 
2011-12-14 10:08:22 AM
Eddie Adams from Torrance: Somehow, this is Obama's fault.

Nope, its Clinton's.
 
2011-12-14 10:08:54 AM
I think "Wukan" may be Mandarin for "test range"
 
2011-12-14 10:16:49 AM
JNowe: Dammit!

*points and laughs*
 
2011-12-14 10:17:48 AM
Can I call them the Wukan Clan, please oh please can I?
 
2011-12-14 10:21:48 AM
www.wutang-corp.com

Ready to join the Wukan clan
 
2011-12-14 10:22:46 AM
DECMATH: /me calls factory rep in China to start cranking out "Yes Wukan" t-shirts...

Your Magazine and Shirt, please.
 
2011-12-14 10:28:58 AM
"Do you think it'll fall?"

"What?"

"The People's Republic of China..."

"fark it."
 
2011-12-14 10:30:33 AM
drjekel_mrhyde: ha-ha-guy: This rural stuff is interesting, but the real fun comes when the Chinese real estate bubble collapses. Suddenly you have a city with 6 million or so people that lost everything when the bubble burst. Then the fun begins.

20 bucks ours fall before theirs


Why would you make this bet? If you win that $20 it will be worthless.
 
2011-12-14 10:32:13 AM
Balls. Yet another reason the Chinese will own us in the not to distant future. Not just collection on debt but they don't have Faux news telling them what to think about everything from Gov't to salad with dinner. They have decades of experience in tuning out the majority of media messages from govt.
 
2011-12-14 10:32:51 AM
coco ebert: "We have an old saying here," said Chen Liangshu, one of the villagers, referring to the legendary aggression of the Wukanese and their neighbours. "In heaven there is the Thunder God, on earth there is Lufeng and Wukan."

I admire their general bad-assery.


yeah... that is some hardcore bad-assery. I know we have some of the finest military personnel on the planet, but it is something else when a whole community is badassitude.

what a Lu Fang might look like:

i834.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-14 10:35:06 AM
I wish them the best, they show that you can only push people so far before they just don't care anymore what you can do to them. I hope with all my might that this works for them.

Unfortunately I don't think it'll end well, but you never know. China these days is a very different country than it was only a few years ago.

Still think it won't end well though, sadly.
 
2011-12-14 10:41:32 AM
boobsrgood: The US used to have an entire government agency devoted to causing civil unrest and uprisings among foreign populations. I wonder if we still do that.

They built secret time machine and sent them to France to topple Louis XVI
 
2011-12-14 10:47:02 AM
We should be taking pointers from these folks.
 
2011-12-14 10:51:25 AM
tentaculistic:
Unfortunately I don't think it'll end well, but you never know. China these days is a very different country than it was only a few years ago.

Still think it won't end well though, sadly.


In that country, freedom is reserved for the multinationals, and the people that serve them. Regular people are told more or less to shut up or we'll arrest you, kill you, take your organs, and your family will be billed for the expense.
 
2011-12-14 10:52:56 AM
"We think we can last for ten to 12 days," said Zhang Xiaoping, one stall owner. "We are using a corridor to the next village to smuggle in meat and vegetables on the back of motorbikes, but each trip takes an hour," she added. "The main problem is rice, but we are taking each day as it comes."

I think the locations of your smuggling routes might not be something you want to advertise to the media -- just sayin'.
 
2011-12-14 10:53:24 AM
oughta try that in the united states of facism
 
2011-12-14 11:01:29 AM
China's always late to the party. The Occupy movement has broken camp.
 
2011-12-14 11:04:40 AM
Donnchadha: "We think we can last for ten to 12 days," said Zhang Xiaoping, one stall owner. "We are using a corridor to the next village to smuggle in meat and vegetables on the back of motorbikes, but each trip takes an hour," she added. "The main problem is rice, but we are taking each day as it comes."

I think the locations of your smuggling routes might not be something you want to advertise to the media -- just sayin'.


Came to say this. They will now starve.
 
2011-12-14 11:04:51 AM
Crocodilly_Pontifex: The drone-riots will end, Chairman Yang will nerve staple them.

Pfft! Get a real faction....

Human behavior is economic behavior. The particulars may vary but competition for limited resources remains a constant. Need as well as greed has followed us to the stars and the rewards of wealth still await those wise enough to recognize this deep thrumming of our common pulse.

CEO Nwabudike Morgan, "The Centauri Monopoly"
 
2011-12-14 11:10:34 AM
Old news, and not sure why the Western media is suddenly catching an interest. Hundreds of thousands of mass protest and riots have taken place in China each year since the late 90s. Usually it's against local corrupt officials and corporations, and the central Beijing government authority generally ends up appeasing the villagers' demands out of fear of more violence. Chinese-style democracy runs just fine as usual..no need to waste time with an arab spring.
 
2011-12-14 11:19:14 AM
They want to trade their openly corrupt and totalitarian regime for our secretly corrupt and totalitarian regime?

Meh.
 
2011-12-14 11:32:58 AM
boobsrgood: The US used to have an entire government agency devoted to causing civil unrest and uprisings among foreign populations. I wonder if we still do that.

Yeah, we call it the Treasury Department.
 
2011-12-14 11:33:32 AM
garyg: "Old news, and not sure why the Western media is suddenly catching an interest."

Because now it's a story that people click on.
Prior to our collapse people were too busy and relatively complacent to care.
Now they positively *itch* to live vicariously through other people's revolutions.
 
2011-12-14 11:38:14 AM
Eddie Adams from Torrance: Somehow, this is Obama's fault.

No. He inherited this mess from Bush.
 
2011-12-14 11:42:40 AM
Big_Fat_Liar: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Somehow, this is Obama's fault.

No. He inherited this mess from Bush.


The standard is "It doesn't matter how started it, what caused it, or who is to blame. The president is always responsible."

That was the standard that was used for Bush, so I say we use it for Obama.
 
2011-12-14 11:45:03 AM
libbynomore2: Big_Fat_Liar: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Somehow, this is Obama's fault.

No. He inherited this mess from Bush.

The standard is "It doesn't matter how started it, what caused it, or who is to blame. The president is always responsible."

That was the standard that was used for Bush, so I say we use it for Obama.


Seems fair
 
2011-12-14 11:45:19 AM
ObscureNameHere: Human behavior is economic behavior.

Uh, wut? Humans are responsible for economies? Get this man a sign!
 
2011-12-14 11:55:21 AM
randomjsa: "That was the standard that was used for Bush"

Trick is the only thing Bush really "inherited" was a minor economic slump and a budget surplus with which to deal with it.

That's a little different than a lesser depression, massive legislative intransigence, two wars, an unconstitutional military/surveillance state at home and a totally farked foreign policy based on assigning white and black hats to various countries.

So while the logic appears "fair", the reality doesn't look that way.
 
2011-12-14 12:01:53 PM
garyg: Old news, and not sure why the Western media is suddenly catching an interest. Hundreds of thousands of mass protest and riots have taken place in China each year since the late 90s. Usually it's against local corrupt officials and corporations, and the central Beijing government authority generally ends up appeasing the villagers' demands out of fear of more violence. Chinese-style democracy runs just fine as usual..no need to waste time with an arab spring.

The difference is the Chinese government is now starting to feel a fiscal pinch. Look at the Shanghai trucker riots that happened fairly recently. In the good old days the Chinese government would just toss up a fuel subsidy for 6 months or something and buy them off. Mass action was simply a weird way to petition for access to resources. With the Shanghai riots though the government wasn't able to buy the truckers off.

There are a bunch of rumors a number of the provinces in China are in debt to a point that makes Greece look well organized and most other provinces are bankrupt. The central government has cash, but the locals can't afford to buy the troublemakers off. So it escalates to something the size of Wuhan and then maybe the central government buys them off.

The whole reason for watching this is to see if the central government starts having trouble buying people off. As their pacification packages become smaller (or they revert to crush people with T-80s) it means that the Chinese treasury is running dry.
 
2011-12-14 12:02:51 PM
ringersol: garyg: "Old news, and not sure why the Western media is suddenly catching an interest."

Because now it's a story that people click on.
Prior to our collapse people were too busy and relatively complacent to care.
Now they positively *itch* to live vicariously through other people's revolutions.


It could also be that protests have hit the Middle East starting with Iran going through the Arab Spring. Then came protests, strikes and riots in Greece, the campamentos in Spain, and riots in England. India had a few anti-corruption protests as well. After that, a wave of protests hit the United States that is still ongoing; solidarity protests hit Europe in October. Next, Russia had its turn at protests. That leaves sub-Saharan Africa and China. Now it's Wukan, China's turn.
 
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